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godsilove



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,07:09   

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,07:14   

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Dog_of_War runs some numbers
     
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You figure about 4 people per showing (just a number I pulled out of the air, but it seems reasonable), 1,050 theaters with 2 showings per theater, that’s 8,400 people per day.

At 7 dollars per ticket, that’s $58,800 a day. Not a big number as movie grosses go, but it adds up. Over a reasonable run, that could easily add up to over a million dollars.

He forgot to subtract the cuts to Yoko Ono and XVIVO, and the legal fees associated with that.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,07:41   

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It's good to know that Dembski is clutching at straws:
watching-expelled-by-buy-a-ticket-for-another-movie/

He's not only clutching at straws, but he's also "unwittingly" revealing his true character.

Rather than rejoicing at the knowledge that his message is reaching even hard-core evilutionists, he whines about the fact that not enough money is coming into the collection plate.

With these guys, it's all about the money. All the time.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,08:58   

Conservapedia's talk page on Expelled is a riot.
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I took my family to see Expelled last night, and I was surprised at how liberal and obscene it was. They don't mention anything about how Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, and they include secular music from "The Killers" (how could you allow a band with that name to be included in a Christian movie?) and John Lennon. I thought I would not have to cover my kids eyes and ears for once in a movie theater, but I was proved wrong with this one. I guess the next time a documentary comes out exposing the evil of evolution, I will stay home with my family and watch Passion of the Christ instead. At least that movie has a strong Christian message. -Nathan

   Odd reaction, Nathan. I haven't heard that reaction from any Christians I know. Do you shield your kids' eyes and ears when they are in public school also, or when they watch television??? Consider me skeptical about your comment.--Aschlafly 12:29, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

       Aschlafly, my kids attend a private Christian school, and I only allow them to watch Christian shows and movies on television (and only Godtube and Conservapedia online). Consider me skeptical of your true faith in Christianity for thinking that a movie full of secular music and absent of the Lord's message is good. Actually, you stated that you haven't even seen the movie yet, but you're still on here causing controversy; it clearly states at the top that this forum is for people who have seen the movie. It is not for people who want to debate something that they haven't even seen. -Nathan --john1989 19:00, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

           Unfortunately, there is no news of a theatre release in the UK. I may have to buy it on DVD in order to see it. A disappointment, because watching a significant event in the company of others is more uplifting than watching it on ones own. :( BrianCo 12:22, 19 April 2008 (EDT)
Obvious troll is obvious. The first guy can't be real ... can he?

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I added a comment that, from a Christian point of view, ID is as a false as evolution. Mr Rayment has just told me - in answer to a question about why the Gap theory is not given "equal time" here Quote:

but really, the YEC view is the only one that actually fits what the Bible says, so this encyclopedia is not going to treat other views as though they have equal validity.

Why, then, was my comment about ID being as false as evolution removed? It is obvious that ID has no validity, why not say so?Tolerance 11:22, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

   What part of ID is false (from a Christian point of view)? Surely not the part which says life is to complex to have come into being by natural forces and physical laws alone? If there's a Christian (or any other kind of Creationist) who disagreed, you would have named him. So your comment is not constructive - and is in fact unrelated to discussion about how to improve this article. --Ed Poor Talk 21:07, 19 April 2008 (EDT)


Just for giggles!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,09:06   

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You figure about 4 people per showing (just a number I pulled out of the air, but it seems reasonable), 1,050 theaters with 2 showings per theater, that’s 8,400 people per day.

At 7 dollars per ticket, that’s $58,800 a day. Not a big number as movie grosses go, but it adds up. Over a reasonable run, that could easily add up to over a million dollars.

Well, you’re only off by a bit over two orders of magnitude. Now go away. -UD admin


Must be Dembski math. He is aware, isn't he that this is a hypothetical calculation of the losses due to screen hopping? If true, the box office is under-reported by about five percent. Probably a lot less than the under-reporting of 'R' rated movies.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,09:06   

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You figure about 4 people per showing (just a number I pulled out of the air, but it seems reasonable), 1,050 theaters with 2 showings per theater, that’s 8,400 people per day.

At 7 dollars per ticket, that’s $58,800 a day. Not a big number as movie grosses go, but it adds up. Over a reasonable run, that could easily add up to over a million dollars.

He forgot to subtract the cuts to Yoko Ono and XVIVO, and the legal fees associated with that.

It appears that the UD big cheeses take exception with Dog of War--though for the life of me I can't figure out what that would be.

The BIG BOLD VOICE IN THE SKY.

I can't find anything in his math that would be off by 2 orders of magnitude, so it must be in his assumptions?

I'm guessing that they don't think he overestimated the ticket jumpers (.04 per screen).  So, it must be that they think that 400 people are sneaking into each screening of Expelled.

That would work out to a box office shift of 5.88 million dollars a day.  That seems improbable some how.

ETA: I guess they also may think that $700 tickets or 200 showings per day per theatre are reasonable numbers....

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,09:06   

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Obvious troll is obvious. The first guy can't be real ... can he?

He sure as hell is, I live next to people who are actually worse. Yes, indeed, worse then that guy. *shivers*

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,09:10   

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Anybody know any lightbulb jokes?

Michael Behe: None.  The lightbulb and socket are an irreduceably complex system which clearly does not work if the components are separated.  Darwinian accounts of bulbs being screwed into sockets are nothing more than "just so" stories so the whole assembly must have been intelligently-designed from scratch as complete system - Light: No Installation Required.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,09:15   

It seems apparent from the initial numbers that Expelled! is going to preach to the converted, without wider influence. This is the same audience that consumed Darwin's Deadly Legacy ("To put it simply, no Darwin, no Hitler" - D. James Kennedy). We know there is a large segment of US society that finds that sort of smegma appealing - which is quite dismaying, but not news. All that remains to be seen is what fraction of this constituency will lay down money and watch this film.

One wonders what the impact will be in the wider culture of the avalanche of extremely negative reviews within the general media. Circulating widely are statements such as, "One of the sleaziest documentaries to arrive in a very long time," "This is propaganda, a political rant disguised as a serious commentary on stifled freedom of inquiry," and "As a lawyer, [Stein] should understand that freedom of speech also guarantees the freedom not to have to listen to mangled, manipulative, and disingenuous rhetoric like this" (New York Times, USA Today, and Chicago Sun-Times, respectively). Perhaps the net impact of the film will be to attach to the ID movement an additional, deserved stench of dishonesty.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,09:16   

DaveTard rewrites box office hype already!

That's right, just a few days ago Expelled was going to shatter all box office records.  Now?

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According to Box Office Mojo on Friday alone ticket sales were $1.2 million.


Friday ALONE!!!  Ladies and Gentleman, I give you a smashing success!  No one figured this movie would make a dime and it made over a thousand dollars per theatre!  God bless the turnout (just don't try to calculate what it was).

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themadlolscientist



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,09:34   

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Old people are evil.

Hey, I resemble that remark! says the almost-55-year-old flaming liberal crazy woman... :D

Or, as my former Significant Other used to say:

"The older I get, the more radical I get. I'm going to be a Red Depends Senior Citizen."

Obama for President.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,09:35   

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From the DI:

This film is going to be a classic and there is nothing the fulminating opposition can do about it.

I always wondered where former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf (Comical Ali/Baghdad Bob) ended up working.

Speaking of Comical Ali........ I found an old 'Shop job I did waybackinthewayback:

Quote (don_quixote @ April 19 2008,04:55)
 
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From the DI:

This film is going to be a classic and there is nothing the fulminating opposition can do about it.

I always wondered where former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf (Comical Ali/Baghdad Bob) ended up working.

Speaking of Comical Ali........ I found an old 'Shop job I did waybackinthewayback:

Baghdad Bob — Incomiiiiiiiing!

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,09:35   

Three of the EXPELLED are now EXPOSED on the People page of the Biologic Institue that showed up yesterday. At first I thought they finally managed to really get fired but it turns out that they are listed with their usal addresses:    
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Guillermo Gonzalez is an assistant professor of astronomy at Iowa State University, soon to become an associate professor of astronomy at Grove City College in the Department of Physics.

Robert J. Marks II is a Distinguished Professor of Engineering at Baylor University.

Richard von Sternberg is a research collaborator at the National Museum of Natural History.
So what the hell are they doing there? Does the BI need a pipetting astronomer? Or is this the BI's scientiffic advisory board. But then they would have more advisers than working scientists.

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themadlolscientist



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,09:42   

Is it just me, or is this board having a traffic jam? Since yesterday, when I've tried to refresh the page I've been getting a "connection timed out" message half the time.

I take that as a hopeful sign.......

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,09:44   

I had the same with PT which I guess is hosted on the same server.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,09:48   

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Three of the EXPELLED are now EXPOSED on the People page of the Biologic Institue that showed up yesterday. At first I thought they finally managed to really get fired but it turns out that they are listed with their usal addresses:      
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Guillermo Gonzalez is an assistant professor of astronomy at Iowa State University, soon to become an associate professor of astronomy at Grove City College in the Department of Physics.

Robert J. Marks II is a Distinguished Professor of Engineering at Baylor University.

Richard von Sternberg is a research collaborator at the National Museum of Natural History.
So what the hell are they doing there? Does the BI need a pipetting astronomer? Or is this the BI's scientiffic advisory board. But then they would have more advisers than working scientists.

And note that, after all this, Sternberg has claimed the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History as his primary professional association. How fucking "expelled" can he be?

(And note that the NCSE exposed site states that "he has not shown up there in years.")

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,09:54   

Quote (Assassinator @ April 20 2008,10:06)
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Obvious troll is obvious. The first guy can't be real ... can he?

He sure as hell is, I live next to people who are actually worse. Yes, indeed, worse then that guy. *shivers*

Certainly could be.

In my high school, getting caught in a movie theater was cause for being expelled.

It happened on several occasions while I was there.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,10:05   

Quote (themadlolscientist @ April 20 2008,17:34)
Quote (Annyday @ April 20 2008,06:37)
Old people are evil.

Hey, I resemble that remark! says the almost-55-year-old flaming liberal crazy woman... :D

Or, as my former Significant Other used to say:

"The older I get, the more radical I get. I'm going to be a Red Depends Senior Citizen."

Obama for President.

Viva La Revolucion!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,10:50   

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Anybody know any lightbulb jokes?

Fundamentalists: 9,000,001. One to screw the lightbulb in, and 9,000,000 to say God did it in 6 24-hour days 6000 years ago.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,11:11   

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Larry "I'm not insane" farfarlanman with his steel trap lawyer mind says:
     
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I have an idea for putting an end to this nonsense. The theatres should place guards outside the projection rooms along with nice big conspicuous embarrassing signs — for everyone to see — saying “Darwinists without tickets for ‘Expelled’ will not be admitted.”

In his alternate reality that might be possible. In the actual reality? It appears Larry has never tried to organise or cost anything more then complex then a happy meal.

Larry's fantasy reminds me of that bit from the Crackpot Index:

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40 points for claiming that when your theory is finally appreciated, present-day science will be seen for the sham it truly is. (30 more points for fantasizing about show trials in which scientists who mocked your theories will be forced to recant.)

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,11:12   

I've now watched 2 separate comments go down the memory hole (by two different commenters - neither of them mine) that commented on the absurdity of:  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,11:27   

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Obvious troll is obvious. The first guy can't be real ... can he?

He sure as hell is, I live next to people who are actually worse. Yes, indeed, worse then that guy. *shivers*

On Friday, my wife forwarded an e-mail to me that she had received from a former co-worker, inviting a group of friends to attend a showing of Expelled on Sunday.  It turns out her husband works for the company that marketed the movie, and was in some way involved in that effort.  Apparently, she loved it, so much that it moved her to tears.

I had thought they were more or less rational people, but, you just never know.  "Less rational" seems more likely at this point.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,11:35   

Quote (blipey @ April 20 2008,07:06)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ April 20 2008,07:14)
   
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 20 2008,07:57)
Dog_of_War runs some numbers
         
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You figure about 4 people per showing (just a number I pulled out of the air, but it seems reasonable), 1,050 theaters with 2 showings per theater, that’s 8,400 people per day.

At 7 dollars per ticket, that’s $58,800 a day. Not a big number as movie grosses go, but it adds up. Over a reasonable run, that could easily add up to over a million dollars.

He forgot to subtract the cuts to Yoko Ono and XVIVO, and the legal fees associated with that.


The BIG BOLD VOICE IN THE SKY.

I can't find anything in his math that would be off by 2 orders of magnitude, so it must be in his assumptions?

I'm guessing that they don't think he overestimated the ticket jumpers (.04 per screen).  So, it must be that they think that 400 people are sneaking into each screening of Expelled.

That would work out to a box office shift of 5.88 million dollars a day.  That seems improbable some how.

ETA: I guess they also may think that $700 tickets or 200 showings per day per theatre are reasonable numbers....

Actually, the movie is playing in ONE MILLION THEATERS....

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,11:48   

the one million dollars assumes that the film would show for 170 days at two showings perday.  The two orders of magnitude reflect a run of 1.7  days which sounds a lot more reasonable

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,12:13   

I see that over at Uncommonly Dense, Dave Scot has had a sudden and ironic attack of concern over copyright theft:

www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/darwin-central-advocates-crime-make-a-pirate-copy-of-expelled/

Dave's developing a remedial conscience about Yoko Ono and Harvard/XVIVO given their copyrights would be violated by such a pirate copy. Well done him.

PS: If someone bit torrents Expelled but plays it through a brown filter in a poor screen resolution in 20 second chunks would the obviously sound legal conclusion be that it's then original material or would it be fair use?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,12:17   

I would just like to make the point that however much money it takes and however many people see it, it is still vastly too much money spent, and too many people exposed to this utter dreck.

It's efforts like these that drag people's minds back, back into the Dark Ages. One is too many.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,12:36   

Any word on Expelled getting international release?  From the initial figures, it seems like it would be lucky to show up straight to dvd outside the US.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,12:50   

Wow, Dembski's got a Nazi bee in his SS bonnet lately.

The Road to the Holocaust — Darwin or the Pope?:

 
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So a film that shows how Christianity “culminated in the Holocaust” constitutes cutting-edge cultural commentary. But a film like EXPELLED, which shows explicitly how the Nazis appropriated Darwin’s ideas, is “bizarre ad hysterical.”

Thank God for EXPELLED, which is holding the secular media’s feet to the fire.


If you read the actual review he quotes, it never does call the film "cutting-edge cultural commentary" and his claim that the film argues that Christianity "culminated in the Holocaust" is refuted right there in the text above. If you're gonna quote-mine, you should try to make it just a little bit harder for people to figure out you're full of shit. Otherwise, what's the point?  

You have to wonder if Dembski's aware of what the origin of "holding feet to the fire" is. Hints for ya Billy: It was very popular during a period of successive military expeditions to the Holy Land, and it involves torture, and heretics. Oh, and you know who really came out good in that period there, guy?  Another hint: it wasn't the Jews.

Jackass.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,12:51   

(original clips from UD and Wikipedia and a PT link)

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   11:32 am

   This is getting funny. Not long ago the chance worshippers were wondering if Expelled had a big enough budget to licence teh Bad To The Bone music.

   Now it’s looking more like a documentary category killer.

   In other words it’s all like “we own the space”.

   I wonder when it’ll make it to HBO and after that probably FOX broadcasting.


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The only other newcomer in the Top 10 was conservative commentator Ben Stein's documentary, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed which makes the intelligent design argument. Playing in 1,052 theaters, the pic distributed by Rocky Mountain Pictures fell over the weekend from 8th to 10th place after earning $1.2M Friday and $989K Saturday for a $2.9M weekend. But the per screen average for Friday was a feeble $1,145 and for Saturday $940 (and $2,830 for the entire weekend), showing there wasn't much pent-up demand for the film despite an aggressive publicity campaign on right-wing media.


and let's look at a real documentary blockbuster, An Inconvenient Truth:

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The film opened in New York City and Los Angeles on May 24, 2006. On Memorial Day weekend, it grossed an average of $91,447 per theater, the highest of any movie that weekend and a record for a documentary, though it was only playing on four screens at the time.[16]

At the 2006 Sundance Film Festival, the movie received three standing ovations. It was also screened at the 2006 Cannes Film Festival and was the opening night film at the 27th Durban International Film Festival on June 14, 2006. An Inconvenient Truth was the most popular documentary at the 2006 Brisbane International Film Festival.[17]

The film has grossed over $24 million in the U.S. and over $49 million worldwide as of June 3, 2007, making it the fourth-highest-grossing documentary in the U.S. to date (after Fahrenheit 9/11, March of the Penguins and Sicko).[18]


Edited by stevestory on April 20 2008,13:54

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,13:03   

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Any word on Expelled getting international release?  From the initial figures, it seems like it would be lucky to show up straight to dvd outside the US.

If Expelled is released outside the US, at least the UK has advanced warning on the content even for people who don't follow the blogsphere. From today's Sunday Times:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol....012.ece

Very amusing to see the "PZ expelled" incident, the extras-not-students at Pepperdine and the producer's dishonest methods to get interviews are the major points covered.

I'd predict that in the UK at least, the best Expelled could hope for is free distribution to the more "fundie" religious groups paid for by it's rich backers. There's no way it could make money in the UK to cover distribution as a mainstream film. If it was to be released in cinemas in the UK the critics will destroy it, the 9% rotten tomatoes rating would look like charity.

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