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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,15:31   

Color me pleasantly surprised. David Springer is in correspondence with Matt Cutts at Google in email, and added me to the CC list as someone affected by the sort of third-party exploits that have gotten both UD and the TOA de-indexed.

That was both thoughtful and generous, not least of which was because the information in the CC'd message gives a completely different reason than BUUD as the cause of UD's Google de-indexing troubles.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,15:39   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 04 2006,15:31)
Color me pleasantly surprised. David Springer is in correspondence with Matt Cutts at Google in email, and added me to the CC list as someone affected by the sort of third-party exploits that have gotten both UD and the TOA de-indexed.

That was both thoughtful and generous, not least of which was because the information in the CC'd message gives a completely different reason than BUUD as the cause of UD's Google de-indexing troubles.

As a frequent Dave-basher, it's only fair we salute his good stuff. Well done, Dave.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,15:55   

Quote (keiths @ Dec. 03 2006,12:56)
Dembski, regarding rumors of a new job:
   
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I recently spoke in chapel there, and, for the good of your soul, you do well to look at the text of my message: http://www.designinference.com/documen....oss.pdf

For the good of my soul, I read Dembski's message.  It's a long discussion of whether Jesus suffered enough to redeem our sins.  What this has to do with Dembski's employment is beyond me.  Perhaps by suffering in obscurity at West Southwestern Bible and Taxidermy College, Dembski is doing his part to save us all.
[...]


I read some of Dembski's article and I can say it didn't do my soul any good at all. In fact it just left me surer than ever that the Christian God is sick and perverse if it needed his his "son" to somehow pay for all the sins of humanity. This is one reason why even if Christianity were true I couldn't emotionally and mentally connect with all aspects of it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,16:20   

Fair play to Dembski:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1835

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Schadenfreude at UD
by William Dembski on December 4th, 2006 · No Comments
I received the following email from someone I will keep anonymous:

Subject: blog entry on talk origins
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:35:41 -0500
From: snip
To:

Bill, we have met a few times and are clearly on opposite sides with regards to ID, but I think we are on the same side with regard to Christ (although I am a Mormon). For this reason I strongly think you should remove [the] blog entry on TalkOrigins google problem. First, it is mocking and exploiting talkorgins problems with a hacker. I have always hoped that the ID debate could happen more often at a higher level than that (I do criticize my fellow ID opponents when I feel that they also have exploited situations like this because it has nothing to do with the issue).

Second the cached page contains language and (as accidently found out) live links to extreme pornography. Not something I would think you would want on Uncommondescent.

Sincerely

snip

Because we were ourselves delisted recently from Google (and then relisted), the UD post in question is of interest here. Nonetheless, let’s try to avoid all appearance of Schadenfreude on this blog. Talksorigins, though slanted very much against ID, contains many items that ID proponents may want to refer to, if only by way of rebuttal. And presumably, with the shoe on the other foot, the same is true for the other side with respect to UD.

If the pornographic links really were the work of a hacker, I hope talkorigins.org resolves this problem and gets relisted pronto.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,16:36   

Okay, now I'm curious.  Does anybody know of any Mormons prominent enough in the pro-evolution fight to have need of anonymity?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,16:44   

I don't agree that UD should take down the post about Talk Origins (haven't we had enough of info disappearing there?) but they should probably warn people about those hot links (although all one has to do is pass the cursor over them to know the risk).

As I’ve said elsewhere, it’s a brave new world with electronic communication and I think that we (and those blaming Wes) need to not point fingers; this is a discussion that information scientists and librarians in the technical services field need to have. Google provides a great and valuable service, but no matter how well their algorithms are written or how transparent their indexing methods are there will be problems with uninterrupted access to information if librarians, and that includes corporate librarians, don’t try to get their arms around the plethora of copyrighted digital information. Unfortunately, even with the advent of RDA (new cataloging rules) in 2008, these issues will probably remain unresolved.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,16:56   

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I blamed Wesley for getting Uncommon Descent delisted as he was republishing all our content in what might have appeared to google to be a naughty scheme to build page rank.

Now in yet another delisting we find Wesley getting the blame. Once is a coincidence, twice is suspicious…

Comment by DaveScot — December 4, 2006 @ 2:02 pm



Let's apply this reasoning...

DaveScot is banned from PT for threatening to hack their weak security.

Then UD gets delisted for some mysterious reason.  Then "someone" hacks TO.

Once is coincidence, twice is suspicious.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,17:36   

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I read some of Dembski's article and I can say it didn't do my soul any good at all.


Nor mine. *Switching from librarian to writer mode*

Jesus did this, God did that. Apostle John did this, Saul/Paul did that. Paris Hilton did this, George Clooney did that—it’s always somebody else, not us, never us who write things, as it were, in the book of life, but of course it is us. Religion (or at least Dembski’s religion) is like the first form of television—making people live through the stories of others instead of regarding themselves as creative entities in our own right, when of course we all create something just by existing.

I actually see a certain amount of poetic ability in Dembski; however, creativity, even explored within a religious framework, puts one inevitably in conflict with highly rigid religiosity and puritanicism, and so what dies on the cross, in my view, is Dembski's imagination, over and over again. (Ironically he talks about pain when, quite frankly, seeing someone regard his humanity as “sin” is painful for me to see.)

I think that it is high time that we tell our own stories, instead of rehashing those of the ancient Israelites.

*Switches to must-produce-yet-another-paper mode*

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,18:09   

I know this is from a few pages back, but I can't keep up.

This is precisely the sort of thing that makes me wonder about the future of the human race.
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In mathematics there are two ways to go to infinity. One is to grow large without measure. The other is to form a fraction in which the denominator goes to zero. The Cross is a path of humility in which the infinite God becomes finite and then contracts to zero, only to resurrect and thereby unite a finite humanity within a newfound infinity.

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The eigenspace of an eigenvalue l is the collection of all vectors u  that are mapped to lu under the action of a fixed matrix. It is important to note that u choices exclude the zero vector because the zero vector always is mapped to itself under this type of transformation.  On our own, we are like the zero vector because no matter what we try, we cannot move away from out sinful status.  However, through the grace of Christ, we are transformed from being a zero vector to the eigenspace of the redeemed (the likeness of Christ).

It makes me laugh until I realize that they are serious. Then I just sit and stare in amazement.

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We are the arsonists. We started the fire.

I thought we didn't start the fire. Either Billy Joel is wrong or Dembski is wrong. Since only the good die young and it's still rock and roll to me, and since CSI is a pile of crap, it must be Dembski that's wrong. Well, you may be wrong, but you may be right.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,18:34   

The page about the delisting of talkorigins has been removed. There is a statement to that effect by Davescot on Dembski's 'Schadenfreude' post.  Nothing wrong with that, the post didn't just dissappear without trace as was so often the case.

I was just about to make a copy for the record of that page because the last thing on it was DaveScot asking if anyone would be willing to trawl through  www.archive.org for evidence of hacking in late last September. I was rather amused by this. It wouldn't have been much work, because the archive has been blocked from UD since april 2005. However, I spent a few minutes looking at www.archive.org records of UD which all date back to then, and when I had finished, the entire thread was gone. Bugger.

The archive might have provided neutral confirmation of rewriting of history, which is a common occurence at UD, but as it was blocked, Wesley set up his own archive, BUUD, so that some evidence of deletions would remain.

After the UD delisting DaveScot complained that BUUD might have been responsible because the guys at google may have seen it as an attempt by UD to manipulate thier google page rank and threated to set the lawyers on Wesley.  Wesley being a classy fellow, stopped BUUD because it seemed to be the right thing at the time.

There was also a comment in the "talkorigins delisted" thread to the effect that Google had informed DaveScot that BUUD would not have been a factor in their delisting and he retracted his ealier claim and mentioned an email that he sent to Wesley. Does this mean BUUD could be restarted? Not that Wesley would necessarily want to of course.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,18:45   

I should have added: Thanks to William Dembski for his call for restraint and expressing a wish for talkorigins to be relisted as soon as possible.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,18:51   

BUUD will not be making a reappearance. The UD lawyer is, I think, still willing to make a case out of it. Sorry, some resources just can't be made public. BUUD would be one of them. Beyond the legal bit, there is also the mechanical, as the machine is blocked from accessing any of Dembski's sites.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,19:23   

As Davescot has confirmed it wasn't buud, what do they have to hide, other than revisionism. And we tend to spot that anyway.

What's up with ID/UD that they need to rewrite history?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,19:35   

Quote (phonon @ Dec. 04 2006,18:09)
 
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We are the arsonists. We started the fire.

I thought we didn't start the fire. Either Billy Joel is wrong or Dembski is wrong. Since only the good die young and it's still rock and roll to me, and since CSI is a pile of crap, it must be Dembski that's wrong. Well, you may be wrong, but you may be right.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,21:27   

A little more on Uncommonly Denyse and John Searle.  D'OL! said:
                 
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3. John Searle on the hard problem of human consciousness (hard if you are a materialist): “We know from high school physics that in presenting an equation you have to be referring to the same dimension on both of its sides. The equation one dollar = one hundred cents can work because both sides are sums of money. But you couldn’t have one hundred cents = one month, because cents and months are in different dimensions. Mind and brain appear to be in different dimensions, because mind has qualitative subjectivity and brain does not.”

U-Denyse would like to underscore that "mind and brain appear to be in different dimensions," providing comfort to those who would like to retain some sort of dualism.  

On her blog she continues:
                 
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But you cannot be a card-carrying materialist without attempting a materialist explanation, and Searle is uncertain what to make of all that: "... some evolutionary story about consciousness must be right. But whatever evolutionary story may be proposed is an answer to a different question from the causal question."

By D'OL!'s lights, Searle doesn't quite know what to what to make of the relationship between evolution and consciousness.

So what does John Searle actually assert about mind-brain dualism?  How uncertain is he about the relationship between biological evolution and consciousness?  Here is Searle, page one, paragraph one of The Rediscovery of the Mind:
                 
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The famous mind-problem, the source of so much controversy over the past two millennia, has a simple solution. This solution has been available to any educated person since serious work began on the brain nearly a century ago, and, in a sense, we all know it to be true.  Here it is: Mental phenomena are caused by neurophysiological processes in the brain and are themselves features of the brain.  To distinguish this view from the many others in the field, I call it "biological naturalism."  Mental events and processes are as much a part of our biological natural history as digestion, mitosis, meiosis, or enzyme secretion.
 
The operative words above are "any educated person." Somewhat later in the book (p. 90):
                 
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Humans are continuous with the rest of nature.  But if so, the biologically specific characteristics of these animals - such as their possession of a rich system of consciousness, as well as their greater intelligence, their capacity for language, their capacity for extremely fine perceptual discriminations, their capacity for rational thought, etc. - are biological phenomena like any other biological phenomena.  Furthermore, these features are all phenotypes.  They are as much the result of biological evolution as any other phenotype.  Consciousness, in short, is a biological feature of human and certain animal brains.  It is caused by neurobiological processes and is as much a part of the natural biological order as any other biological features such as photosynthesis, digestion, or mitosis.

We can conclude that John Searle provides comfort to those interested in maintaining a mind-body dualism, and those reluctant to grant a relationship between consciousness and evolution, so long as they don't actually read John Searle. On that basis his work can be used as a springboard for the detachable ghost theory of consciousness and intentionality that D'OL! commends to our attention.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,21:58   

WAD approvingly quotes G. K. Chesterton:
 
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when men have a real explanation they explain it, eagerly and copiously and in common speech, as Huxley freely gave it when he thought he had it. When they have no explanation to offer, they give short dignified replies, disdainful of the ignorance of the multitude.

Something like:
 
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ID is not a mechanistic theory, and it’s not ID’s task to match your pathetic level of detail in telling mechanistic stories. If ID is correct and an intelligence is responsible and indispensable for certain structures, then it makes no sense to try to ape your method of connecting the dots.-WAD


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,22:59   

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The UD lawyer is, I think, still willing to make a case out of it.


:O

and who, exactly, is paying for this UD lawyer?

how many bloggers can afford a lawyer?

surely you're getting rich off of antievolution.org, right Wes?

;)

*sigh*

Just like the IDiots to rely on lawyers to literally bury the truth.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,23:19   

I. just. wrote. 7. dang. pages. of my paper. And some ranting woman was thrown out of the library tonight while I was trying to work. Speaking of which:

 
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U-Denyse would like to underscore that "mind and brain appear to be in different dimensions," providing comfort to those who would like to retain some sort of dualism.


Dualism like stupid/not stupid?

This is exactly the third time I managed to make out what Denyse has said. Good for me. I'm on a roll.

So, does U-Denyse think that the water in a waterfall occupies a different dimension than the action of "falling" committed by the waterfall? Or doesn't it take water...to fall...in order to make a...waterfall? Duh, Denyse. Consciousness is an action of the brain; it's not floating around in another dimension any more than the "falling" of the water is. If there's anything in another dimension, it's Denyse's mind-brain.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2006,01:02   

Depurating Bill well done.

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We can conclude that John Searle provides comfort to those interested in maintaining a mind-body dualism, and those reluctant to grant a relationship between consciousness and evolution, so long as they don't actually read John Searle. On that basis his work can be used as a springboard for the detachable ghost theory of consciousness and intentionality that D'OL! commends to our attention.


Or just rely on Fundy quote mines.

I like the image of a detachable ghost theory of consciousness .

That theory of course falls down as soon as you pull the plug on the ghost's projector.

It is however the basis for the creative output for a whole host of stinkers, I call it the Bell & Howell method.

Take one stinker and place it's head on one of those old fashioned overhead projectors , remove its foot from mouth and place microphone near its lips.

The stinker will now go into self gratification mode and play tape loop of internally constructed dream with numerous references to the Big Ghost himself.

The detachable ghost pines after the fact that certain death and extinction provide an existential bridge too far, pain that MUST be the result of lack of perfection which in turn he is sure are the sins of his very own father revisiting, why else would the Dominant Over Ghost kill off his own mini-me on a cross of eigens.

Naturally you don't have to be there, so go out, have a coffee, read something interesting, do a cross word, call family and friends.

Finally, after the ghost show , return, unplug projector replace foot in IDiots mouth and send it hobbling on its way.

Watch out for people who have blank stares after listening to the ghost who talks, their little ghosts have taken their hands off the wheel, put their feet up and taken the soma, they are happy little ghosts now that Mr. Death has been permanently sacked.

Arise ghost and be forever resurrected, join the Depraved Omnipotent Ghost in the sky, just a word of caution, he's a she and is a hard drinking, church burning mother of all murderers.

No? ...prove it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2006,07:03   

Kristine said:
 
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So, does U-Denyse think that the water in a waterfall occupies a different dimension than the action of "falling" committed by the waterfall?

Right.  Self-evident.  Plus, after the water has dispersed, evaporated, etc. (after the Fall), its wetness, which cannot be reduced to any property of the H20 molecule and hence is an IMMATERIAL ESSENCE, continues independently of mere atoms (the obsession of materialists) for all eternity.  ALL of it.  This is the detachable ghost theory of chemistry.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2006,08:24   

ke:
 
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Why else would the Dominant Over Ghost kill off his own mini-me on a cross of eigens.

Note that when you are a Triune Dominant Over Ghost*, factor analysis is required to determine the fates of the many many mini ghosts.  Hence the cross of eigenvectors.


*Father, Son, and Hokey Spirit.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2006,09:19   

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Plus, after the water has dispersed, evaporated, etc. (after the Fall)


HEHEHE.

Falling water is sinful, but steam is angels. I got it!

I wrote that down! :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2006,09:32   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 04 2006,21:58)
WAD approvingly quotes G. K. Chesterton:
   
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when men have a real explanation they explain it, eagerly and copiously and in common speech, as Huxley freely gave it when he thought he had it. When they have no explanation to offer, they give short dignified replies, disdainful of the ignorance of the multitude.

Something like:
   
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ID is not a mechanistic theory, and it’s not ID’s task to match your pathetic level of detail in telling mechanistic stories. If ID is correct and an intelligence is responsible and indispensable for certain structures, then it makes no sense to try to ape your method of connecting the dots.-WAD

Chesterton, eh?

Imagine how it would be like if Dembski had written the Father Brown novels...

"Well, the Explanatory Filter never lies! It was a GHOST alright! Case closed!"


:D

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2006,09:36   

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This is the detachable ghost theory of chemistry.


Now it all becomes clear. They are everywhere.

The detachable ghost in the machine theory of mechanical cells, miniature nano-ghosts in  the nanny goat, a new Parrot Jim for Biology, the gobsmack of St. Bill restated in an idiom for idiots...... ID 'theory' where the 'theory' is not actually a theory, but a virtual wank.

Odious Rex rhetorically asks why, why, why Jeshua was not made to suffer more, after all at the rate of Bill's sinning a few nails through the extremities and a decent flogging really does not seem enough ....and he should know.

.......Hmmmm time to consult an oracle.

Oh great Apollo why dost Odious Rex hate himself so much?


....hrrrmpff, coff, cofff, twip, ....I'll give you a riddle*
"what goes on four legs in the morning, two in the afternoon, and three in the evening?"


Ofalous Rex triumphantly answers the riddle, falls in love with his own reflection and saves a generation of lost Xbox souls, bringing his strange love to the doors of the faculty of his father.

Now King Billy the  conqueror of thesis and self published object of vanity in public , slayed his own fathers academic record.  That same master of the universe who along with his mother had given him away as a child to be raised in a foreign cult.

While his  accomplishments shows he is a credible thinker it his great pride in his own ability  and his search for truth in the mystery of life that will eventually lead him to discover his killing of his father and marrying his mother.

The Cosmic joke of Oedipus Complex** repeated.


*The riddle of the sphinx which terrorized Thebes in Sophocles ""Oedipus Rex"" a retelling of the Myth of Oedipus.


*"Oedipus Complex," Frauds theory that young boys lust after their mothers and see their fathers as competition for their mothers' favors.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2006,09:37   

Faid, which YEC was responsible for the quotes in your sig? (Or would you rather not say, and embarrass them too badly?)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2006,09:48   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 05 2006,09:37)
Faid, which YEC was responsible for the quotes in your sig? (Or would you rather not say, and embarrass them too badly?)

Well, ever since TrollPaley came out, there's only been one pet YEC on these boards, so it's not that hard to guess?  :)

(I tried to fit some more of his dishonesty in, like "neutral mutations can / cannot be selected", but unfortunately there's a character limit...)

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A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty:

"The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information"

"...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

  
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2006,10:08   

Who else thinks Demski should be on this list?

List of fictional narcissists

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2006,10:57   

Re "So, does U-Denyse think that the water in a waterfall occupies a different dimension than the action of "falling" committed by the waterfall?"

Only if it's intelligent falling.

;)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2006,11:07   

Dave Tards it up a notch with this wonderfull strawman.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1838

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Predictability of Evolution
by DaveScot on December 5th, 2006 · 3 Comments
We often hear the ridiculous assertion that the theory of evolution is as well tested as the theory of gravity.

The theory of gravity can predict precisely where the planets will be a million years from now. What can the theory of evolution predict a million years into the future?....



a better strawman in terms of complexity, but still a straw man in terms of mechanisms, would be this:

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin....10Guest

Dave, I suspect you're smart enough to know you're just spouting nonsense. Stop it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2006,11:30   

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Dave Tards it up a notch with this wonderfull strawman.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1838

   
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Predictability of Evolution
by DaveScot on December 5th, 2006 · 3 Comments
We often hear the ridiculous assertion that the theory of evolution is as well tested as the theory of gravity.

The theory of gravity can predict precisely where the planets will be a million years from now. What can the theory of evolution predict a million years into the future?....



a better strawman in terms of complexity, but still a straw man in terms of mechanisms, would be this:

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin....10Guest

Dave, I suspect you're smart enough to know you're just spouting nonsense. Stop it.

Okay, Dave, I now think I'm sufficiently tuned into your wavelength that I can start writing your material for you. You hereby have my permission to use the following argument tomorrow:

"I don't believe in none of that evolution crap. I mean, who ever saw a dog breeding with a cat? Have any of you ever seen a 'dat'?"

And here's your installment for Thursday:

"Common descent is a lot of baloney. I mean, if we're descended from apes, why do we still have apes? It just doesn't make sense!"

They're all yours, Dave, you don't even have to credit me.

Let us know when you need more.  :p

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