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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2006,14:07   

Quote (Alan Fox @ Dec. 03 2006,14:05)
You guys,

Just having a medicinal glass of Merlot, checked in to catch up on the news. Now I'm mopping up all over.

Phhh.

They call that FREEDOM JUICE over here.

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Ra-Úl



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2006,15:17   

Quote (deadman_932 @ Dec. 03 2006,12:23)
I decided to look at "Atom the Immortal"'s blog site and found these...er...lyrics, I suppose:    
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Open the wisdom that's been told from the days of old Unfold the dinosaur descriptions in the book of Job Behold the king of all the beast upon the face of the globe Pyrotechnically bestowed and ferocious and bold Stronger than King Kong his eyes are red like the dawn... Fire and steam from nostrils if you jostle this collosel [sic] then he might get hostile We believe these proportions describe dinosaurs that lived among men such as Stegasaraurus [!] remembered as dragons is how there [sic] reported Recorded through time every culture supports it
Power and strength of behemoth swinging his tail like a cedar log Head above the treetops a herbivore who eats grass like an ox He can never be caught he lives in lakes and lochs Among the lotus plants and reeds is where this monster rocks [ah, the famed Loch lotus ] Just another unknown like the Yeti and Sasquatch  Bones like bronze, he's the chief of the ways of God [?] No one can threaten him or catch him off guard Stone reliefs of these fabulous [maybe he means they're FAH-bu-lous rather than mythical] beasts from Hercules to the dragon Jason battled for the Golden Fleece I know it's hard to conceive what ancient people believed but every culture agrees from the Greek to Chinese Feathered serpents with wings, the Basilisk and the Sphinx, the Hydra, Chimera and the Griffin and Banshee [rhyming "Chinese " with "Banshee" was a stroke of genius]
So take your radiometric decay and your carbon 14 and just put it away We won't be swayed from the truth by your nonsense We will protest and request you change contents and recognize that you built your claims on pretense and admit that evolution is a myth of pseudoscience Some scientists wont admit that being athiest [:p] could make them biased when interpreting the evidence.  

Now that's ART.

Yo, so word up scientist ho's -- quit your lyin' and defiance of the LORD.
The dragons of Job are like the bombardier beetle, you'll get bitch-slapped when you whine and wheedle 'cause God's gonna teach you 'bout the camel and needle.
Don't jostle this collosel, 'cause He might get hostile! (don't sweat me about spelling, I'm a f___in' artist, dammit)

DM: Did you happen to look at his list of heroes? Pretty peculiar for a potential ID'er who can talk to the young:Che, Sub-comandante Marcos . . . oh and that should be 'tha' immortal. Next time you're in Vegas come out and rhyme with us. Anyone rhyming needle and wheedle deserves a free hookah and a shot. . . and that's a waterpipe hookah, suh, not a working girl. ;)

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2006,16:35   

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The Reach of the Cross

By William A. Dembski

Message delivered at Southwestern  
Seminary Chapel, October 19, 2006

There is a link on This Page to a movie clip of the Lugubrious One delivering this talk at the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. Search for/scroll down to WAD.

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Mike PSS



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2006,17:24   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 03 2006,17:35)
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The Reach of the Cross

By William A. Dembski

Message delivered at Southwestern  
Seminary Chapel, October 19, 2006

There is a link on This Page to a movie clip of the Lugubrious One delivering this talk at the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. Search for/scroll down to WAD.

Dembski's an overachiever with this crowd.

From the good Dr. above...
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Dr. Bobby Holt
Trustee, SWBTS, Pastor, Vista Grande Baptist Church, Colorado Springs, CO


And from the Dr. below...
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Dr. D.L. Lowrie
Retired Pastor, FBC Lubbock, TX


And finally from Dembski...
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Research Professor in Philosophy
Ext. 4435
email: wdembski@swbts.edu

Web site: www.designinference.com
Blog: www.uncommondescent.com


Research Professor in Philosophy at Southwestern Seminary.
Senior Fellow with Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture.
Executive Director of the International Society for Complexity, Information, and Design.
Education

Ph.D. philosophy University of Illinois at Chicago (1996).
MDiv. Princeton Theological Seminary (1996).
M.A. philosophy University of Illinois at Chicago (1993).
Ph.D. mathematics University of Chicago (1988).
S.M. mathematics University of Chicago (1985).
M.S. statistics University of Illinois at Chicago (1983).
B.A. psychology University of Illinois at Chicago (1981).
Fellowships/Awards

Texas A&M’s Trotter Prize, shared with Stuart Kauffman, April 2005. (Past recipients: Charlie Townes and Francis Crick (2002), Alan Guth and John Polkinghorne (2003), Paul Davies and Robert Shapiro (2004)).
Intelligent Design Network’s Wedge of Truth Award, 2004 for promoting intelligent design (past recipients include Michael Behe).
Templeton Foundation Book Prize ($100,000) for writing book on information theory, 2000–2001.
Discovery Institute Fellowship for research in intelligent design, 1996–1999.
Notre Dame Postdoctoral Fellowship (Department of Philosophy) for philosophy of religion, 1996–1997.
University of Illinois at Chicago, Outstanding Dissertation Award in Fine Arts and Humanities for
The Design Inference; published subsequently September 1998 with Cambridge University
Press Pascal Centre Research Fellowship for studies in science and religion, 1992–1995.
Northwestern University Postdoctoral Fellowship (Department of Philosophy) for history and philosophy of science, 1992–1993.
National Science Foundation Postdoctoral Fellowship for mathematics, 1988–1991.
McCormick Fellowship (University of Chicago) for mathematics, 1984–1988.
National Science Foundation Graduate Fellowship for psychology and mathematics, 1982–1985.
Nancy Hirshberg Memorial Prize for best undergraduate research paper in psychology at the University of Illinois at Chicago, 1981.

Academic Experience

Research Professor in Philosophy, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, Ft. Worth, Texas, June 2006 present.
Carl F. H. Henry Professor of Theology and Science, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville, Ky., June 2005–May 2006.
Associate Research Professor, Conceptual Foundations of Science, Baylor University, research in intelligent design, 1999–May 2005.
Fellow, Discovery Institute, Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture, research in complexity, information, and design, 1996–present.
Adjunct Assistant Professor, University of Dallas, Department of Philosophy, teaching introduction to philosophy, 1997–1999.
Postdoctoral Fellow, University of Notre Dame, Department of Philosophy, teaching philosophy of religion and research, 1996–1997.
Independent Scholar, Pascal Centre, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, research in complexity, information, and design, 1993–1996.
Postdoctoral Fellow, Northwestern University, Department of Philosophy, teaching philosophy of science and research, 1992–1993.
Research Associate, Princeton University, Department of Computer Science, research in cryptography & complexity theory, 1990.
Postdoctoral Visiting Fellow, University of Chicago, James Franck Institute, research in chaos & probability, 1989.
Postdoctoral Visiting Fellow, MIT, Department of Mathematics, research in probability theory, 1988.
Lecturer, University of Chicago, Department of Mathematics, teaching undergraduate mathematics, 1987–1988.
Professional Associations

Discovery Institute—senior fellow.
Wilberforce Forum—senior fellow.
International Society for Complexity, Information, and Design —executive director.
Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design—general editor.
Foundation for Thought and Ethics—academic editor.
American Mathematical Society.
Evangelical Philosophical Society.
American Scientific Affiliation.
Books

The Design of Life: Discovering Signs of Intelligence in Biological Systems (biology textbook coauthored with Jonathan Wells). Dallas.: Foundation for Thought and Ethics, forthcoming 2006.
The Design Revolution: Answering the Toughest Questions about Intelligent Design. Downer’s Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity Press, 2004.
No Free Lunch: Why Specified Complexity Cannot Be Purchased without Intelligence. Lanham, Md.: Rowman & Littlefield, 2002.
Science and Evidence for Design in the Universe, Proceedings of the Wethersfield Institute, vol. 9 (coauthored with Michael J. Behe and Stephen C. Meyer). San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 2000.
Intelligent Design: The Bridge between Science and Theology. Downer’s Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity Press, 1999. [Award: Christianity Today’s Book of the Year in the category “Christianity and Culture.” Translated into Finnish and Korean. Translation into Spanish in preparation.]
The Design Inference: Eliminating Chance through Small Probabilities. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1998. [CUP’s best-selling philosophical monograph.]
Edited Collections

Darwin’s Nemesis: Phillip Johnson and the Intelligent Design Movement (Festschrift in honor of Phillip Johnson). Downers Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity, 2006.
Debating Design: From Darwin to DNA (co-edited with Michael Ruse). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2004.
Uncommon Dissent: Intellectuals Who Find Darwinism Unconvincing. Wilmington, Del.: Intercollegiate Studies Institute, 2004.
Signs of Intelligence: Understanding Intelligent Design (co-edited with James Kushiner). Grand Rapids, Mich.: Brazos Press, 2001. [Translation into Indonesian in preparation.]
Unapologetic Apologetics: Meeting the Challenges of Theological Studies (co-edited with Jay Wesley Richards; selected papers from the Apologetics Seminar at Princeton Theological Seminary, 1995–1997). Downer’s Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity Press, 2001.
Mere Creation: Science, Faith, and Intelligent Design (proceedings of a conference on design and origins at Biola University, 14–17 November 1996). Downer’s Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity Press, 1998.
Books in Preparation

Freeing Inquiry from Ideology: A Michael Polanyi Reader, co-edited with Bruce Gordon; an anthology of Michael Polanyi’s writings, book under contract with InterVarsity Press.
Being as Communion: The Metaphysics of Information, Templeton Book Prize project, book under contract with Ashgate publishers for series in science and religion.
John Warwick Montgomery Festschrift Volume (co-edited with Thomas Schirrmacher).
The End of Christianity, book under contract with Broadman & Holman.
The Mathematical Foundations of Intelligent Design. Technical research monograph.
The Nature of Nature, co-edited with Bruce Gordon, conference retrospective on the Nature of Nature conference at Baylor, 12–15 April 2000, book award through Grace Valley Christian Center, Davis, California.
The End of Materialism, co-edited collection with Jeffrey Schwartz and Mario Beauregard.
The Patristic Understanding of Creation, co-edited with Brian Frederick, anthology of writings from the Church Fathers on creation and design.
Work in progress

Series of technical mathematical articles collected together under the rubric The Mathematical Foundations of Intelligent Design. Topics to include variational information (relevant article presently under submission), uniform probability, displacement/no free lunch theorems, Bayesian methods, Fisherian methods, specification, universal probability bounds, specified complexity, configurational entropy, and conservation of information/fourth law of thermodynamics.

Online

“Information as a Measure of Variation.”
“Searching Large Spaces: Displacement and the No Free Lunch Paradox.”
“A Primer on Probability for Design Inferences.” [available at www.designinference.com]

Forthcoming

“In Defense of Intelligent Design,” The Oxford Handbook of Religion and Science, edited by Philip Clayton.
“Intelligent Design.” In The Encyclopedia of Religion, 2nd edition, edited by Lindsay Jones. New York: Macmillan, forthcoming.
“Transcendence,” New Dictionary of Christian Apologetics (British InterVarsity), available online at www.designinference.com.
“Does the Design Argument Show There Is a God?” In The Apologetics Study Bible, general editor Ted Cabal. Nashville, Tenn.: Broadman & Holman, forthcoming.
“Irreducible Complexity Revisited,” Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design.
“Reflections on Human Origins,” Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design.
“Dealing with the Backlash against Intelligent Design.” In William A. Dembski and Jed Macosko, eds., A Man for This Season: The Phillip Johnson Celebration Volume. Downers Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity.
A detailed list of publications starting in 1990, and a list of profession activities starting in 1988, are available upon request or at wwwdesigninference.com.


I've heard of padding a resume but this is a bit ridiculous.  I did notice that he didn't list his high school GPA OR when he first ate solid food... so he can't be t-o-o-o-o self centered.

Mike PSS

Also, that guy singing in the beginning is s-o-o-o-o-o flat.

"IT BURNS... IT BURNS... MY EARS... IT BURNS..."

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2006,19:37   

Quote (Mike PSS @ Dec. 03 2006,17:24)
Dembski's an overachiever with this crowd.

Mike,

You missed one:
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Wednesday September 20, 2006
Mr. Kirk Cameron
Actor/Evangelist, Way of the Master, World Missions Testimonies

Yes, Kirk Cameron, who along with his banana-buddy Ray Comfort pioneered the argumentum ad fructum for God's existence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4

Check out these two responses:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1zMfUay6Ss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdkRzkXbZ1M

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Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2006,19:44   

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Indeed, the only way to gauge the extent to which one person loves another is by what that person is willing to endure for the other. Without the cost incurred by suffering, love among fallen creatures becomes cheap and self-indulgent.


Hoo boy, this sounds familiar.

"Love among fallen creatures becomes cheap and self-indulgent"?

What a crock. And how sad.

He mentions a family illness too. This is the third time I've heard of it. Well, I'm truly sorry that he's having problems (is it his son, do you know, Wes?) but I don't believe that suffering, while inevitable, is our lot in life. I wonder if he's trying to justify something to himself that's painful. 'Cause I've seen that before. :(

This kind of thinking becomes a vicious circle, unfortunately: suffering builds character, etc. My father thought that, and at the end of his life thought that he had to "suffer as Christ suffered" (his very words) and didn't want to take his medication until his pastor talked him out of that kind of thinking.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2006,19:53   

DaveTard restates the party line: The emporer DOES have new clothes, and deletes a bit that presumably makes him look bad.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1829#comment-79158

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6. Robin Levett // Dec 3rd 2006 at 7:54 pm

Hmmm. Where to start?

Firstly; do you seriously consider that Bullock’s argument hangs together?

He makes two major claims; that evolutionary biology is a religion

the rest of this comment deleted

Comment by Robin Levett — December 3, 2006 @ 7:54 pm
7. DaveScot // Dec 3rd 2006 at 8:07 pm

Robin

After you made me bother to start fisking your screed against Bullock the first thing I did was look for where he equates evolutionary biology to religion. What I found was that the word “biology” never even appears in Bullock’s article.

If you want to remain a critical participant here you had better not make any more false accusations like that again.

Comment by DaveScot — December 3, 2006 @ 8:07 pm


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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2006,20:26   

Robin Levett:
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He makes two major claims; that evolutionary biology is a religion <rest of comment censored by DaveTard>

Sgt. Tard replies:
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Robin

After you made me bother to start fisking your screed against Bullock the first thing I did was look for where he equates evolutionary biology to religion. What I found was that the word “biology” never even appears in Bullock’s article.  If you want to remain a critical participant here you had better not make any more false accusations like that again.

Of course, Bullock's article completely supports Levett's assertion:
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Two scientific explanations of origins, each a tenet of sincere religious beliefs, and both important in the field of origins science... The wall of separation-cum-segregation between churches by the state permits the government to separate favored religious ideas (such as materialistic naturalism) for special treatment, the special treatment being state protection from any disfavored challenger. Darwinism, where evidence is interpreted based solely on religious naturalism (or scientific naturalism—there’s no difference), acceptable. Anything else, including Jefferson’s “creator of man”, unacceptable.

Question for the panel:  Could DaveScot really be stupid enough to misinterpret Bullock's article?  Or is he scared of Levett and looking for an excuse to hit the 'ban' button?

While granting that Davey is simultaneously stupid, dishonest, and cowardly, I think cowardice is the driving force in this instance.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2006,20:44   

What do people make of that "TalkOrigins Delisted by Google" post?

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Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip?

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"I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive

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steve_h



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2006,21:13   

Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 04 2006,03:44)
What do people make of that "TalkOrigins Delisted by Google" post?

It looks like talk.origins has been hacked. AFAICT this site has never contained any advertising except a link to the panda's thumb for years. See www.archive.org for snapshots of it in the past.  I would advise everyone to be on the lookout for anyone  with any or all of the following attributes: a grudge against Wesley; a history of threatening him or his sites with hacking; personal experience of the damage that delisting can cause; and an inability to  suppress his or her glee at the delisting.

;)  added for legal reasons.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,00:02   

Ah, and how they bleat about c*nsorship.

Let's recap.

No science posts on UD since, well, forever
But no shortage of explicitly theistic posts
Legal defeats galore.

The end always turns nasty. Hacking is of course cowardly. And illegal. And ultimatley futile.

ID is a decapitated chicken; body still moving, though in no constructive direction.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,00:59   

Quote (keiths @ Dec. 03 2006,21:26)
Question for the panel:  Could DaveScot really be stupid enough to misinterpret Bullock's article?  Or is he scared of Levett and looking for an excuse to hit the 'ban' button?

Yes.

   
mcc



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,04:51   

Quote (steve_h @ Dec. 03 2006,21:13)
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 04 2006,03:44)
What do people make of that "TalkOrigins Delisted by Google" post?

It looks like talk.origins has been hacked. AFAICT this site has never contained any advertising except a link to the panda's thumb for years. See www.archive.org for snapshots of it in the past.  I would advise everyone to be on the lookout for anyone  with any or all of the following attributes: a grudge against Wesley; a history of threatening him or his sites with hacking; personal experience of the damage that delisting can cause; and an inability to  suppress his or her glee at the delisting.

;)  added for legal reasons.

I can't imagine what you could be trying to say.

  
Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,05:10   

Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 03 2006,20:44)
What do people make of that "TalkOrigins Delisted by Google" post?

Wes explains.

http://austringer.net/wp/?p=443

These comments display their ugly side. I expect comments will be getting wiped to cover embaraesment soon.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1830

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,07:15   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 03 2006,13:47)
Or maybe he's advoacting..


Rich, you might be in trouble with Kate....

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,08:45   

Quote (mcc @ Dec. 04 2006,04:51)
Quote (steve_h @ Dec. 03 2006,21:13)
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 04 2006,03:44)
What do people make of that "TalkOrigins Delisted by Google" post?

It looks like talk.origins has been hacked. AFAICT this site has never contained any advertising except a link to the panda's thumb for years. See www.archive.org for snapshots of it in the past.  I would advise everyone to be on the lookout for anyone  with any or all of the following attributes: a grudge against Wesley; a history of threatening him or his sites with hacking; personal experience of the damage that delisting can cause; and an inability to  suppress his or her glee at the delisting.

;)  added for legal reasons.

I can't imagine what you could be trying to say.

Indeed, I think you're being ridiculous. I personally can't imagine anyone associated with the anti-Evolution movement who has ever given the slightest indication that he has these kind of inclinations.

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skeptic



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,09:10   

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 03 2006,13:52)
Phil Johnson - retired lawyer
Behe - onetime biochemist
Dembski - Professor of Thumpology, Southwest Baptist Collige of Book Larnins
Wells - cultist pop author
Meyer - philosopher
Nelson - YEC philosopher
Pearcey - stay at home mom?
Gonzalez - astronomer
Richards - uh bagger at Food Lion? philosopher I think.
O'Leary - 4th rate journalist

real 'hard math and science' club you got there.

just a clarification, Behe is still employed and earning a paycheck (Professor of Biochemistry, Lehigh University), so the "onetime" biochemist label is a bit premature.

I think he prefers "heretic biochemist", if I remember correctly.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,09:20   

Quote (steve_h @ Dec. 03 2006,21:13)
 I would advise everyone to be on the lookout for anyone  with any or all of the following attributes: a grudge against Wesley; a history of threatening him or his sites with hacking; personal experience of the damage that delisting can cause; and an inability to  suppress his or her glee at the delisting.

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slpage



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,09:30   

Quote (Zachriel @ Dec. 03 2006,11:34)
Meanwhile, Joseph lectures a geneticist about genetics and the nested hierarchy (who does provide a cite to a cool phylogenetic tree for myosins).

Well, he does have a B.S. in Electronis Engineering, which he claims make shim a 'scientist', therefore, he is an expert on everything.  Because that is what scientists with B.S. degrees are.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,09:51   

According to De Tard himself the domain owner for the hack is in Russia. Not that means much. They are likely hackers for hire.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,11:08   

LeTard seems to be kinda defensive about something this morning:

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17. DaveScot // Dec 4th 2006 at 11:03 am

Krauze

They were hacked. See Elsberry’s post for more details.

Wesley claims to have been hacked. We don’t know that and from the tone of his comment neither does he. We don’t know how many people have legitimate webmaster access to the talkorigins website.

Comment by DaveScot — December 4, 2006 @ 11:03 am


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pwe



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,11:25   

Quote (skeptic @ Dec. 04 2006,09:10)
just a clarification, Behe is still employed and earning a paycheck (Professor of Biochemistry, Lehigh University), so the "onetime" biochemist label is a bit premature.

I think he prefers "heretic biochemist", if I remember correctly.

Umm. could be.

Lehigh's Department of Biological Sciences has this little disclaimer:

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The faculty in the Department of Biological Sciences is committed to the highest standards of scientific integrity and academic function. This commitment carries with it unwavering support for academic freedom and the free exchange of ideas. It also demands the utmost respect for the scientific method, integrity in the conduct of research, and recognition that the validity of any scientific model comes only as a result of rational hypothesis testing, sound experimentation, and findings that can be replicated by others.

The department faculty, then, are unequivocal in their support of evolutionary theory, which has its roots in the seminal work of Charles Darwin and has been supported by findings accumulated over 140 years. The sole dissenter from this position, Prof. Michael Behe, is a well-known proponent of "intelligent design." While we respect Prof. Behe's right to express his views, they are his alone and are in no way endorsed by the department. It is our collective position that intelligent design has no basis in science, has not been tested experimentally, and should not be regarded as scientific.


So, he is a professor of the department, but he is indeed considered to be a 'heretic'; the rest of the faculty members regarding intelligent design as not scientific.

And, by the way: have you noticed it's a fine full moon to night? (at least as seen from here, where I sit)


- pwe

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,11:53   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 04 2006,12:08)
LeTard seems to be kinda defensive about something this morning:

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17. DaveScot // Dec 4th 2006 at 11:03 am

Krauze

They were hacked. See Elsberry’s post for more details.

Wesley claims to have been hacked. We don’t know that and from the tone of his comment neither does he. We don’t know how many people have legitimate webmaster access to the talkorigins website.

Comment by DaveScot — December 4, 2006 @ 11:03 am

Lemme get this straight. Wesley finds out his page now has animal porn links and they appear to trace back to russia. And he doesn't know he's been hacked? That's retarded, even for Davetard.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,11:57   

Stephen:

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These comments display their ugly side.


At least B Fast manages to keep on the moral high ground.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,12:13   

D'OL! writes on several difficult topics. One of them concerns John Searle's thoughts on consciousness.

 
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3. John Searle on the hard problem of human consciousness (hard if you are a materialist): “We know from high school physics that in presenting an equation you have to be referring to the same dimension on both of its sides. The equation one dollar = one hundred cents can work because both sides are sums of money. But you couldn’t have one hundred cents = one month, because cents and months are in different dimensions. Mind and brain appear to be in different dimensions, because mind has qualitative subjectivity and brain does not.”


Searle has written extensively and influentially on consciousness and intentionality over the last 20 years. While recognizing the difficulties inherent in discussing consciousness, he also analogizes the "mind-brain problem" to the "digestion-stomach" problem (I'll get a reference when I have at my library), taking a thorougly monist position: consciousness and intentionality are biological facts. I nominate her suggestion, by means of selective quotation, that Searle is supportive of mind-body dualism for the D'OL! hall of uncommon density.  

Humphrey, in 1976, originated the influential and hueristic hypothesis that the most significant selection pressure driving the evolution of large brain size in primates was the advantage conferred by the anticipation and representation of others’ behavior in the context of intensely competitive primate social hierarchies. Whiten and Byrne later codified as the "Machiavellian Intelligence" hypothesis, which has since given rise to a huge and important literature on the origins of human "theory of mind" (the indisputable evolutionary basis for the ability of human beings to construe others as displaying beliefs, desires, intentions, states of attention, etc.). So a second nomination: D'OL!'s suggestion that Humphrey was somehow "handicapped" by evolutionary models, when in fact it was his evolutionary perspective that leveraged his most important contributions, deserves a bust in the hall of uncommon density.  

D'OL! concludes her remarks by committing aggravated unintentional irony when she states, "The trouble is, we do not know what we do not know."  Now there she is on to something, as it is clear that she has never read Searle, Humphrey, Freud, etc.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,12:14   

Quote (Alan Fox @ Dec. 04 2006,11:57)
Stephen:

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These comments display their ugly side.


At least B Fast manages to keep on the moral high ground.

Agreed.

Not every ID suporter is a complete liar and charlatan. Some are just misslead. I was 1.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,12:46   

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3. John Searle on the hard problem of human consciousness (hard if you are a materialist)...

D'OL! here is thinking that the detachable-ghost theory of consciousness doesn't present any "hard problems."

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,12:52   

I've been participating in the comments at the weblog of Google's webspam head Matt Cutts on the TOA de-indexing.

Cutts is taking my complaint and using it in a constructive manner. He even went so far as defending me from a commenter who said that I could only have made my complaint through laziness or avarice.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,13:02   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 04 2006,12:52)
I've been participating in the comments at the weblog of Google's webspam head Matt Cutts on the TOA de-indexing.

Cutts is taking my complaint and using it in a constructive manner. He even went so far as defending me from a commenter who said that I could only have made my complaint through laziness or avarice.

Some genius named 'multi-worded Adam' at that Matt Cutts site came up with this, which I knew I'd see at some point:

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The question that remains in my mind in all of this is: how do you know that it was actually hacked? There’s nothing saying that he couldn’t have just put those links in himself. He may own the porn stuff under a different alterego and using the clean site to promote the dirty ones. It’s not that difficult to pull off.


Sort of reminds me of "How do we know John Kerry didn't shoot himself just to win a medal?"

Granted, I expected to see this idea floated at UD first.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2006,13:21   

Well, THAT didn't take long:

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I blamed Wesley for getting Uncommon Descent delisted as he was republishing all our content in what might have appeared to google to be a naughty scheme to build page rank.

Now in yet another delisting we find Wesley getting the blame. Once is a coincidence, twice is suspicious…

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