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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2016,10:20   

Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 18 2016,20:34)
Take out those exceptions, and what's left?

A basket of idiots.

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"ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus
"I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2016,10:57   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 17 2016,19:05)
Oh goody... Now Klinghoffer has suggested the fiction offers a way to breach the science/religion barrier in his praise of an ID "thriller" The Soul of the Matter. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2016.......37.html

Good grief...

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The story is one of redemption and enlightenment, as a cynic rethinks the tenets of materialism he previously took for granted. The book can serve as a helpful introduction to ID, as accessible (in its very different way) as Doug Axe's new book Undeniable: How Biology Confirms Our Intuition That Life Is Designed. The argument for design can be recondite and these two books together go a long distance to making it comprehensible to the most general of readers.

Obviously, Mr. Buff hasn't advanced the scientific case for ID. However he has done a service by offering a smart, often exciting story that is intellectually serious and spiritually earnest and that will, one hopes, place ultimate questions about man's place in the universe before a deservedly wide audience.


All science so far... except for the religion... and the fiction parts.

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The argument for design...

The Argument Regarding Design, Klingy.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2016,00:58   

Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 19 2016,10:57)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 17 2016,19:05)
Oh goody... Now Klinghoffer has suggested the fiction offers a way to breach the science/religion barrier in his praise of an ID "thriller" The Soul of the Matter. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2016.......37.html

Good grief...

 
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The story is one of redemption and enlightenment, as a cynic rethinks the tenets of materialism he previously took for granted. The book can serve as a helpful introduction to ID, as accessible (in its very different way) as Doug Axe's new book Undeniable: How Biology Confirms Our Intuition That Life Is Designed. The argument for design can be recondite and these two books together go a long distance to making it comprehensible to the most general of readers.

Obviously, Mr. Buff hasn't advanced the scientific case for ID. However he has done a service by offering a smart, often exciting story that is intellectually serious and spiritually earnest and that will, one hopes, place ultimate questions about man's place in the universe before a deservedly wide audience.


All science so far... except for the religion... and the fiction parts.

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The argument for design...

The Argument Regarding Design, Klingy.

according to abbrevations.com TAFD refers to "Theoretical Air Free Density" of concrete but surely describes Klinghoffer's arguments as well

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2016,01:03   

here the book is listed under  
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New Hardcover Mysteries for September 2016
Just wondering if this refers to the fact that such books still find some readership.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2016,10:08   

Quote (sparc @ Sep. 20 2016,09:03)
here the book is listed under      
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New Hardcover Mysteries for September 2016
Just wondering if this refers to the fact that such books still find some readership.

Depends if you're a Dan Brown clone fan.
After reading this
The Lost Symbol and The Da Vinci Code author Dan Brown's 20 worst sentences which has this gem
 
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...Famously, comedian Stewart Lee mocked him for using the sentence “The famous man looked at the red cup” in his bestselling The Da Vinci Code....

I thought I'd spelunk briefly into the shallow fetid nether world of Fundy true crime fiction. And I was not disappointed....bingo! The THIRD! sentence begins with
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Through bursts of showers on a chilly, black night,....


The above image was plagiarized from some smarty pants best selling author's web page here....
Dark and Stormy Was the Night: The Bulwer-Lytton Writing Contest
With amongst other quotable quotes ......this snotty nosed bit of snark. Quite my cup of tea really.
 
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Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman did a riff on it in their wonderful novel, Good Omens:
“It wasn’t a dark and stormy night. It should have been, but there’s the weather for you. For every mad scientist who’s had a convenient thunderstorm just on the night his Great Work is complete and lying on the slab, there have been dozens who’ve sat around aimlessly under the peaceful stars while Igor clocks up the overtime.”


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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2016,12:22   

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there have been dozens who’ve sat around aimlessly under the peaceful stars while Igor clocks up the overtime.

And, that's probably why they're mad!

Or maybe not.

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2016,14:44   

I just read "Jingo", originally published 20-some years ago but quite timely today.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2016,13:20   

From David Klinghoffer we learn that ID proponents Paul Nelson (of Paul Nelson's Day famous) and Biological lab lead "scientist" Doug Axe joined the RoyalSociety meeting on "New Trends in Evolutionary Biology". Seemingly, it did go as well as Doug may have expected since he was somewhat pissed off by this slide from Andy Gardner's presentation (https://twitter.com/DougAxe....2630144


Edited by sparc on Nov. 08 2016,13:25

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2016,14:24   

Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 20 2016,15:44)
I just read "Jingo", originally published 20-some years ago but quite timely today.

If only we had a Vetinari.  And a Vimes.

  
fusilier



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2016,06:31   

Quote (NoName @ Nov. 08 2016,15:24)
Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 20 2016,15:44)
I just read "Jingo", originally published 20-some years ago but quite timely today.

If only we had a Vetinari.  And a Vimes.

Unfortunately, we may now have a Lorenzo the Kind.

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fusilier
James 2:24

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2016,06:45   

Quote (fusilier @ Nov. 09 2016,07:31)
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 08 2016,15:24)
Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 20 2016,15:44)
I just read "Jingo", originally published 20-some years ago but quite timely today.

If only we had a Vetinari.  And a Vimes.

Unfortunately, we may now have a Lorenzo the Kind.

Well, it was that or Lord Snapcase* in a pantsuit.
[*I hope I'm remembering that right]

The was one election guaranteed to continue the trend of my lifetime (which goes back before Nixon) -- each president is worse than the ones before.  It has been consistently, persistently, true.
And in this election it simply wouldn't have mattered who won.  Each was worse than the other.

Or as a friend put it on Facebook -- "How much did America not want Hillary for president?  Trump.  That's how much."

  
DiEb



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2016,03:03   

I don't get it: A two year old Open Letter to Professors Kenneth Miller and PZ Myers is re-published at DI EN&V - hasn't anybody replied to it in the meantime?

   
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2017,14:32   

Over at DI EN&V, Denyse O'Leary interviewed an “anonymous” Israeli biochemist who has studied sphingolipids (a class of phospholipids) for 30 years after his 1987 post doc. His lab has focused on Gaucher disease for several years. He was unnamed because,    
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“He asked that his identity be kept in confidence -- a fair request given that those who dislike his views have targeted him in the past. For scientists sympathetic to ID, it's a familiar story.”


Have these idiots not heard of Google? Tony Futerman probably isn’t stupid enough to think he would be “anonymous” for more than the 20 seconds to type “Israel sphingolipids Gaucher” into the search window, pick out his public relations department blurb from the Weizmann Institute of Science and read enough to confirm his data. http://www.weizmann-usa.org/media......se.aspx

Edited by Dr.GH on Jan. 09 2017,12:39

   
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2017,15:17   


  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2017,18:05   

A new movie was released last week, "Is Genesis History"  which claims there are big numbers of 'scientists' proving the earth is ~6,000 years old, and Noah's Flood really happened.

One of the 'scientists' interviewed was Disco'tute Paul Nelson.

Today Nelson is all butt sore;

New Film Is Genesis History? Presents a False Dichotomy: I Dissent from My Role in It

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2017,01:46   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Feb. 25 2017,18:05)
A new movie was released last week, "Is Genesis History"  which claims there are big numbers of 'scientists' proving the earth is ~6,000 years old, and Noah's Flood really happened.

One of the 'scientists' interviewed was Disco'tute Paul Nelson.

Today Nelson is all butt sore;

New Film Is Genesis History? Presents a False Dichotomy: I Dissent from My Role in It

He could have been aware of how creationist "documentary" filmmakers treat their interviewees or did he miss "Expelled" a film he actually appeared in?



ETA:
BTW, it's only 40 days until the 13th Paul Nelson Day.

Edited by sparc on Feb. 26 2017,01:48

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2017,19:12   

I'm glad to see that Paulie still has his bag of powerful intuitions.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2017,03:45   

Over at EN&V you are invited to meet Amy a young biology student with a heartbreaking history:  
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Meet Amy, for example, who has been passionate about math and biology as long as she can remember. In her late teens, she devoured books by Michael Behe, William Dembski, Michael Denton, and Stephen Meyer. Full of hope for the future, she headed off to college to study molecular biology at a prestigious research university in the Midwest.
But in her first college biology class she was immediately confronted by ridicule for the idea that anything but purposeless and random processes are responsible for the seeming design of life. Instructors stifled any discussion that went outside of their materialist views of life's origins.

She persevered because her passions and convictions were strong. After years of increasing hostility, Amy felt alone and isolated in the midst of all these bright minds that had been constricted by the limits of Darwinian materialism.

But Amy was lucky. A friend and longtime supporter of Discovery Institute's CSC told her about the Seminar on Intelligent Design in the Natural Sciences. She applied and was accepted. The experience transformed her life, as evidenced by her comment in the closing survey we distribute to students:  
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I feel deeply privileged to have met the Discovery Institute people...I think that without their intervention I would not have gone back to university. Being around like-minded people makes me feel less alone.

However, you should be aware that the picture illustrating the text is just another stock photo downloaded from the web.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2017,12:10   

Quote (sparc @ Mar. 01 2017,02:45)
Over at EN&V you are invited to meet Amy a young biology student with a heartbreaking history:      
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Meet Amy, for example, who has been passionate about math and biology as long as she can remember. In her late teens, she devoured books by Michael Behe, William Dembski, Michael Denton, and Stephen Meyer. Full of hope for the future, she headed off to college to study molecular biology at a prestigious research university in the Midwest.
But in her first college biology class she was immediately confronted by ridicule for the idea that anything but purposeless and random processes are responsible for the seeming design of life. Instructors stifled any discussion that went outside of their materialist views of life's origins.

She persevered because her passions and convictions were strong. After years of increasing hostility, Amy felt alone and isolated in the midst of all these bright minds that had been constricted by the limits of Darwinian materialism.

But Amy was lucky. A friend and longtime supporter of Discovery Institute's CSC told her about the Seminar on Intelligent Design in the Natural Sciences. She applied and was accepted. The experience transformed her life, as evidenced by her comment in the closing survey we distribute to students:      
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I feel deeply privileged to have met the Discovery Institute people...I think that without their intervention I would not have gone back to university. Being around like-minded people makes me feel less alone.

However, you should be aware that the picture illustrating the text is just another stock photo downloaded from the web.

So?

Maybe the photo was taken while Amy was interning for Dr. Gauger.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2017,13:40   

Quote (sparc @ Mar. 01 2017,03:45)
Over at EN&V you are invited to meet Amy a young biology student with a heartbreaking history:  
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Meet Amy, for example, who has been passionate about math and biology as long as she can remember. In her late teens, she devoured books by Michael Behe, William Dembski, Michael Denton, and Stephen Meyer. Full of hope for the future, she headed off to college to study molecular biology at a prestigious research university in the Midwest.
But in her first college biology class she was immediately confronted by ridicule for the idea that anything but purposeless and random processes are responsible for the seeming design of life. Instructors stifled any discussion that went outside of their materialist views of life's origins.

She persevered because her passions and convictions were strong. After years of increasing hostility, Amy felt alone and isolated in the midst of all these bright minds that had been constricted by the limits of Darwinian materialism.

But Amy was lucky. A friend and longtime supporter of Discovery Institute's CSC told her about the Seminar on Intelligent Design in the Natural Sciences. She applied and was accepted. The experience transformed her life, as evidenced by her comment in the closing survey we distribute to students:  
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I feel deeply privileged to have met the Discovery Institute people...I think that without their intervention I would not have gone back to university. Being around like-minded people makes me feel less alone.

However, you should be aware that the picture illustrating the text is just another stock photo downloaded from the web.

Special ed, like DI classes, clearly has some value.

But you really wouldn't want a picture of her drooling.

Glen Davidson

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2017,21:30   

Re "But you really wouldn't want a picture of her drooling."

Then don't ring Pavlov's bell?

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2017,10:50   

Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 02 2017,05:30)
Re "But you really wouldn't want a picture of her drooling."

Then don't ring Pavlov's bell?

For whom the comatose trolls.

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DiEb



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2017,13:59   

Meanwhile, W. Dembski goes for the triple:
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William Dembski, a science and culture analyst who formerly served as a leading voice in the Intelligent Design movement, told Baptist Press a "'March for Science' only becomes necessary when ideologues, claiming the mantle of science and seeking to deny it to others, look to politics to decide issues that properly need to be decided by reason and evidence."

Dembski added in written comments that "humanity's role in global warming, the safety and effectiveness of vaccines, the teleology in evolution all deserve healthy debate."


From http://www.bpnews.net/48419......oncerns

   
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2017,14:35   

Quote (DiEb @ Mar. 02 2017,12:59)
Meanwhile, W. Dembski goes for the triple:
 
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William Dembski, a science and culture analyst who formerly served as a leading voice in the Intelligent Design movement, told Baptist Press a "'March for Science' only becomes necessary when ideologues, claiming the mantle of science and seeking to deny it to others, look to politics to decide issues that properly need to be decided by reason and evidence."

Maybe if he left out the phrase "claiming the mantle of science", it might become accurate. After all, the reason for said march in the first place was because of ideologues trying to deny stuff.

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2017,02:19   

The use of left-handed DNA to symbolize ID related threads at EN&V is quite telling


ETA: Unfortunately, this board doesn't recognize png-images.
Here's the link:
https://www.evolutionnews.org/wp-cont....ign.png

Edited by sparc on Mar. 16 2017,02:21

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2017,03:19   

Seemingly, Ann Gauger hasn't learned anything from what she experienced at the 2007 Wistar Retrospective Symposium:    
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“Nylonase was a pre-existing enzyme, had a pre-existing activity. It was easy to convert it to the ability to degrade nylon [by a] step-wise path. Therefore, there’s no reason to think that the enzyme is a newly derived enzyme from a frame shift. We don’t need that explanation.”

Even if the explanation is wrong the fact remains that a pre-existing protein was turned into another (aka derived) protein which degrades a substance not present in nature before the 20th century.
How does this not qualify as evolution?
And why does the DI train students to become professional idiots when they have Ann Gauger?

Edited by sparc on Mar. 16 2017,03:31

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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