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timothya



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2014,03:07   

Anyone want to bet against "The Church of Atheism" will be a recurring theme at UD in 2014?

  
timothya



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2014,03:08   

Anyone want to bet against "The Church of Atheism" being a recurring theme at UD in 2014?

  
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2014,03:55   

Quote (timothya @ Jan. 02 2014,02:48)
Didn't the results of the Sloan Deep Sky Survey contradict Halton Arp's cosmological hypothesis?

Maybe ten or more years ago I had recently watched a bad TV program about Halton Arp's hyptohesis when I had the opportunity to ask the Norwegian astrophysicist Knut Jrgen Red degaard about just that and his reply was clear although I don't today remember his dismissive reply, only his opinion that programs like that did not deserve airtime.

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Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2014,05:01   

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Knut Jrgen Red degaard


What a magnificent name! Even if it is tempting to swap the....

A belated happy new orbit, everyone.

  
Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2014,07:25   

KF is still waiting for that essay on Darwinism. Quick, someone put him out of his misery!

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2014,13:15   

Slimey Sal and Mapou's YEC lovefest is a joy to behold.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2014,20:38   

Hey Oleg:

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MapouJanuary 2, 2014 at 8:16 pm
In my opinion, nobody can explain the anomalous redshifts because an essential piece of the puzzle is missing. What is lacking is a fundamental understanding of motion. Unless and until we can explain the cause of motion, i.e., why a body in inertial motion remains in motion, we will never understand why light loses energy over great distances. In this case, we need to explain why photons move and why they move at C. Of course, as in everything else having to do with energy and motion, the redshift is the result of nature correcting a violation of the energy conservation principle.

In my view, based on my private understanding of motion, the brighter or the more energetic the source of the light, the more pronounced will the redshift be. That being said, distance is the primary factor.


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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2014,20:46   

Bonus Mapou:

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Entropy would have turned the universe into a chaotic nothing ages ago.


Here's the home of the master:

http://rebelscience.blogspot.com/....pot.com

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2014,22:26   

Actually his programming ideas look to be worth discussing.

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2014,03:13   

Quote (Woodbine @ Jan. 02 2014,05:01)
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Knut Jrgen Red degaard


What a magnificent name! Even if it is tempting to swap the....

A belated happy new orbit, everyone.


And a magnficient person as well, with sparkling Attenboroughesque enhusiasm.
...
Is this what you had in mind: Knut Jrgen Red degrd?

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2014,10:12   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 02 2014,18:38)
Hey Oleg:

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MapouJanuary 2, 2014 at 8:16 pm
In my opinion, nobody can explain the anomalous redshifts because an essential piece of the puzzle is missing. What is lacking is a fundamental understanding of motion. Unless and until we can explain the cause of motion, i.e., why a body in inertial motion remains in motion, we will never understand why light loses energy over great distances. In this case, we need to explain why photons move and why they move at C. Of course, as in everything else having to do with energy and motion, the redshift is the result of nature correcting a violation of the energy conservation principle.

In my view, based on my private understanding of motion, the brighter or the more energetic the source of the light, the more pronounced will the redshift be. That being said, distance is the primary factor.

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In my view, based on my private understanding of motion...

All science so far!

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2014,20:05   

Now that's the guy we'd want as a new chew toy!

   
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2014,21:43   

Quote (Quack @ Jan. 03 2014,09:13)
Quote (Woodbine @ Jan. 02 2014,05:01)
 
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Knut Jrgen Red degaard


What a magnificent name! Even if it is tempting to swap the....

A belated happy new orbit, everyone.


And a magnficient person as well, with sparkling Attenboroughesque enhusiasm.
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Is this what you had in mind: Knut Jrgen Red degrd?

No, it was infinitely more rude.

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2014,09:20   

Quote (Woodbine @ Jan. 03 2014,21:43)
Quote (Quack @ Jan. 03 2014,09:13)
Quote (Woodbine @ Jan. 02 2014,05:01)
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Knut Jrgen Red degaard


What a magnificent name! Even if it is tempting to swap the....

A belated happy new orbit, everyone.


And a magnficient person as well, with sparkling Attenboroughesque enhusiasm.
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Is this what you had in mind: Knut Jrgen Red degrd?

No, it was infinitely more rude.

Speculation - "Knut" = Some word that Dave Scott might use to refer to Ms. O'Dreary?

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2014,16:21   

Knut, a male name, entymology norse word kntr, meaning knot.

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timothya



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2014,17:26   

As in, "I am knot a male nurse"?

  
Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2014,21:22   

"News" on the UD "newsdesk" is, apparently, a six year old TED talk by Garrett Lisi.

Cool and all, but not exactly "new".

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2014,21:47   

Quote (Febble @ Jan. 04 2014,21:22)
"News" on the UD "newsdesk" is, apparently, a six year old TED talk by Garrett Lisi.

Cool and all, but not exactly "new".

Given that Denyse still hasn't caught up with 150+ years of science, calling a 6 year-old talk "news" is unsurprising.

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2014,02:59   

Quote (timothya @ Jan. 04 2014,17:26)
As in, "I am knot a male nurse"?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2014,07:10   

J-dog:  
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Speculation - "Knut" = Some word that Dave Scott might use to refer to Ms. O'Dreary?

Her brain is in Knutral?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2014,12:03   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Jan. 05 2014,07:10)
J-dog:
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Speculation - "Knut" = Some word that Dave Scott might use to refer to Ms. O'Dreary?

Her brain is in Knutral?

Ahem... You have to think more like DaveScott  - (I can't believe I just typed that !) - and read "Knut" like you were more dyslexic...

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2014,12:34   

Is that a Knadian spelling?

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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2014,14:26   

Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 05 2014,12:03)
 
Quote (CeilingCat @ Jan. 05 2014,07:10)
J-dog:  
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Speculation - "Knut" = Some word that Dave Scott might use to refer to Ms. O'Dreary?

Her brain is in Knutral?

Ahem... You have to think more like DaveScott - (I can't believe I just typed that !) - and read "Knut" like you were more dyslexic...

Think like DaveScott? But I don't suffer from texlexia.

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Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2014,16:37   

It just dawned on me that ID is dead.

Dembski is off all radar.  He doesn't even show up in the search box at South Carolina bible college or whatever. The last post on the Design Inference is a year old.

Meyer's book went up like a firework and came down with the stick.  

Most of the static websites are moribund.  UD has banned virtually all dissenters.  The few brave enough to wander over to TSZ bail out after a couple of rounds.  The biologic institute inflates its "selected publications" with publications that have nothing to do with the biologic institute and seems to be doing no more than pretending to produce output.

Bio-Complexity is moribund.

Behe doesn't seem to have much to say.

The big guys won't come out to debate.  The small ones mostly won't leave heavily censored sites.  Even the UD newsdesk peddles 6 year old stories as "news".

And all the threads are about religion.  Or tossing coins.

I don't know why I hadn't seen it before.

It's dead.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2014,16:42   

Quote (Febble @ Jan. 05 2014,16:37)
It just dawned on me that ID is dead.

Dembski is off all radar. He doesn't even show up in the search box at South Carolina bible college or whatever. The last post on the Design Inference is a year old.

Meyer's book went up like a firework and came down with the stick.

Most of the static websites are moribund. UD has banned virtually all dissenters. The few brave enough to wander over to TSZ bail out after a couple of rounds. The biologic institute inflates its "selected publications" with publications that have nothing to do with the biologic institute and seems to be doing no more than pretending to produce output.

Bio-Complexity is moribund.

Behe doesn't seem to have much to say.

The big guys won't come out to debate. The small ones mostly won't leave heavily censored sites. Even the UD newsdesk peddles 6 year old stories as "news".

And all the threads are about religion. Or tossing coins.

I don't know why I hadn't seen it before.

It's dead.

Yeah, it's back to open creationism now.  That is still alive and trying to sneak into schools, especially in the form of individual teachers.

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Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2014,16:51   

But much more overtly not-science, surely?

ID had this sciencey-mathy-PhD-ey look.

  
Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2014,16:58   

Quote (Febble @ Jan. 05 2014,16:51)
But much more overtly not-science, surely?

ID had this sciencey-mathy-PhD-ey look.

The creation scientists dabbled in that, too, but it always comes down to "2000 years ago a man died on a cross.  Won't anyone stand up for him?" arguments.  Lenny Flank pointed out years ago that they just can't help talking about their god eventually.  Once it was clear that judges weren't going to buy it, there really wasn't any point keeping up the pretense.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2014,19:57   

Quote (Febble @ Jan. 05 2014,16:37)
It just dawned on me that ID is dead.

Dembski is off all radar. He doesn't even show up in the search box at South Carolina bible college or whatever. The last post on the Design Inference is a year old.

Meyer's book went up like a firework and came down with the stick.

Most of the static websites are moribund. UD has banned virtually all dissenters. The few brave enough to wander over to TSZ bail out after a couple of rounds. The biologic institute inflates its "selected publications" with publications that have nothing to do with the biologic institute and seems to be doing no more than pretending to produce output.

Bio-Complexity is moribund.

Behe doesn't seem to have much to say.

The big guys won't come out to debate. The small ones mostly won't leave heavily censored sites. Even the UD newsdesk peddles 6 year old stories as "news".

And all the threads are about religion. Or tossing coins.

I don't know why I hadn't seen it before.

It's dead.

Unfortunately, vampires & zombies are all the rage these days - so I want to see the stake through ID's ugly little heart, and even smaller brain before I count them totally dead. :)

added in edit: I wonder if this means GEM of ICKY will be turning me into Homeland Security for threatening ID? Or is that privilege reserved only for Dr. Dr. Dembski?

Edited by J-Dog on Jan. 05 2014,20:03

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2014,20:31   

Quote (Febble @ Jan. 05 2014,17:37)
It just dawned on me that ID is dead.

Dembski is off all radar. He doesn't even show up in the search box at South Carolina bible college or whatever. The last post on the Design Inference is a year old.

Meyer's book went up like a firework and came down with the stick.

Most of the static websites are moribund. UD has banned virtually all dissenters. The few brave enough to wander over to TSZ bail out after a couple of rounds. The biologic institute inflates its "selected publications" with publications that have nothing to do with the biologic institute and seems to be doing no more than pretending to produce output.

Bio-Complexity is moribund.

Behe doesn't seem to have much to say.

The big guys won't come out to debate. The small ones mostly won't leave heavily censored sites. Even the UD newsdesk peddles 6 year old stories as "news".

And all the threads are about religion. Or tossing coins.

I don't know why I hadn't seen it before.

It's dead.

Telic Thoughts is over, the fake ID journal PCID was abandoned right after Kitzmiller.

The ID people are behaving exactly as they would if ID was nothing but a scam that failed in Dec 2005. Because that's all it was.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2014,21:00   

It's been dead a while. UC now run by the b / c listers. It'll come back as "intelligent evolution" once they get some new faces, new sciency words and more Templeton money.

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