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Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:10    I'll debate any of you any time any day, I've been doing it for years. Notice how steve stays clear away from any of my technical blogs. It's because he's scientifically illiterate.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:18    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:10) I'll debate any of you any time any day, I've been doing it for years. Where? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:20    Right here. Come at me, I dare you.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:21    Please state: A) The essence of your position B) The single best piece of physical evidence for your position C) A prediction that can be checked experientially that will provide support for your position that will result in a different answer from the "standard" position. ---------------------- A) The diversity of biological life we see around us did not require any "telic" or supernatural intervention to come into being and can can be explained either by known processes or unknown, but not supernatural, processes. In addition, there was no "front loading". B) I really like the sequence of horse fossils, but pick anything from http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html it's all the same. Quote Did God create Hyracotherium, then kill off Hyracotherium and create some Hyracotherium-Orohippus intermediates, then kill off the intermediates and create Orohippus, then kill off Orohippus and create Epihippus, then allow Epihippus to "microevolve" into Duchesnehippus, then kill off Duchesnehippus and create Mesohippus, then create some Mesohippus-Miohippus intermediates, then create Miohippus, then kill off Mesohippus, etc.....each species coincidentally similar to the species that came just before and came just after? http://chem.tufts.edu/science/evolution/HorseEvolution.htm C) Obviously this is the key here Guts, can you make such a prediction? Or is "DNA is complex" it? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:23    You don't know my position? That's pathetic, you're completely ignorant and yet you let this thread continue, pathetic.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:26    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:23) You don't know my position? That's pathetic, you're completely ignorant and yet you let this thread continue, pathetic. No, what's pathetic is that you think a debate can happen without the proponents setting out their position at the start. Oddly people like you have been known to change their positions when counter-evidence comes up. It's simply a matter of trust. I don't. Trust you. Therefore, at the start all the cards are on the table. It's perhaps not surprising that you've gone from "Debate me anywhere, any time" to "oh, you've said something I don't like so I'm taking my ball and going home". My conclusion? You are incapable of defending your position rationally. You sir, are a blowhard. And it only took 3 posts to get there! How embarrassing! Do you have an edit button to go back and clean up your mess? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:28    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,11:23) You don't know my position? That's pathetic, you're completely ignorant and yet you let this thread continue, pathetic. What's wrong with making sure your position is not misrepresented? Shouldn't take long. -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:28    It seems to me that you are completely ignorant. You automatically assumed from the start that my position was wrong. But what position was that? The one you made up in your head? You don't even know my position? This thread is longer than most in this forum, it's pathetic to think you don't even know my position. What a waste of brain cells you are.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:29    Quote (dnmlthr @ July 06 2008,05:28) Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,11:23) You don't know my position? That's pathetic, you're completely ignorant and yet you let this thread continue, pathetic. What's wrong with making sure your position is not misrepresented? Shouldn't take long. you guys are the masters of misrepresentation. I've written many blogs , why not come at me from that stand point, unless you're afraid.

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:29    Quote You don't know my position? That's pathetic, Your position is pathetic? Nevertheless, we would like to see you take on oldman. I am curious to discover what the well-dressed emperor is wearing this summer.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:30    Quote (Alan Fox @ July 06 2008,05:29) Quote You don't know my position? That's pathetic, Your position is pathetic? Nevertheless, we would like to see you take on oldman. I am curious to discover what the well-dressed emperor is wearing this summer. No you're post is pathetic.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:32    "your" damn this board sucks.

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:33    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,11:30) Quote (Alan Fox @ July 06 2008,05:29) Quote You don't know my position? That's pathetic, Your position is pathetic? Nevertheless, we would like to see you take on oldman. I am curious to discover what the well-dressed emperor is wearing this summer. No you're post is pathetic. Are you going to do any actual debating (the points brought forth by oldman seem like a good starting point) or are you going to do the internet tough guy routine in perpetuity? -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:34    Edited the post upstream by accident, here it is Please state: A) The essence of your position B) The single best piece of physical evidence for your position C) A prediction that can be checked experientially that will provide support for your position that will result in a different answer from the "standard" position. ---------------------- A) The diversity of biological life we see around us did not require any "telic" or supernatural intervention to come into being and can can be explained either by known processes or unknown, but not supernatural, processes. In addition, there was no "front loading". B) I really like the sequence of horse fossils, but pick anything from http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html it's all the same.   Quote Did God create Hyracotherium, then kill off Hyracotherium and create some Hyracotherium-Orohippus intermediates, then kill off the intermediates and create Orohippus, then kill off Orohippus and create Epihippus, then allow Epihippus to "microevolve" into Duchesnehippus, then kill off Duchesnehippus and create Mesohippus, then create some Mesohippus-Miohippus intermediates, then create Miohippus, then kill off Mesohippus, etc.....each species coincidentally similar to the species that came just before and came just after? http://chem.tufts.edu/science/evolution/HorseEvolution.htm C) Obviously this is the key here Guts, can you make such a prediction? Or is "DNA is complex" it? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:35    Quote (dnmlthr @ July 06 2008,05:33) Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,11:30) Quote (Alan Fox @ July 06 2008,05:29)   Quote You don't know my position? That's pathetic, Your position is pathetic? Nevertheless, we would like to see you take on oldman. I am curious to discover what the well-dressed emperor is wearing this summer. No you're post is pathetic. Are you going to do any actual debating (the points brought forth by oldman seem like a good starting point) or are you going to do the internet tough guy routine in perpetuity? I'm going to show you that you are weak in terms of intellectual debate. And make no mistake, you are weak.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:37    Quote Obviously this is the key here Guts, can you make such a prediction? Or is "DNA is complex" it? I could even make the case that elephants are complex. You still won't be anywhere close to my position.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:37    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:32) "your" damn this board sucks. Still, must be quiet round your other blogs for you to be bothering here then? What, once everybody has back-slapped each other "yeah, we all agree, we are all right" there's not much left to say or do right? We understand. For us this is entertainment. For you, well you actually think you are achieving something don't you? As you've backed out of even stating your position clearly for the record it's obvious you are intractable in your head-in-the-sand position. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:39    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:37) Quote Obviously this is the key here Guts, can you make such a prediction? Or is "DNA is complex" it? I could even make the case that elephants are complex. You still won't be anywhere close to my position. You could, but you prefer to act like a 15 year old. Carry on. Just cut and paste something from one of your "technical blogs" then if the idea of telling people who might not be familiar with your position (and trust me, that'll be 99.9% of people here) is so offensive. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:41    Quote As you've backed out of even stating your position clearly for the record it's obvious you are intractable in your head-in-the-sand position. Thanks for once again admitting that you are completely ignorant of my position. It's awfully strange though that the very existence of this thread doesn't bother you given your admitted ignorance. Seems more like you're brainwashed.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:42    Quote Just cut and paste something from one of your "technical blogs" then if the idea of telling people who might not be familiar with your position (and trust me, that'll be 99.9% of people here) is so offensive. Or better yet, try refuing any of my technical blogs. You can't.

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:42    Quote I'm going to show you that you are weak in terms of intellectual debate. Would a separate thread be appropriate, (assuming there are going to be more than a couple of comments)?

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:43    refuting, dam you dumbasses can't even implement a simple edit function. How dumb is that?

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:44    OR would you like to have a debate about something else? Perhaps The explanatory filter cannot be used and is in fact useless. ? That's my position. To nullify this position all you have to do is to give us an example of the Explanatory Filter in use, with the mathematical details given, on a selection of objects. To make it fair, you pick one object and we'll pick an object. You do the calculations, as nobody else can. As problems stated mathematically are usually more amenable to unambiguous results there should be little debate if the EF can be shown to work. It either does, or it does not. Can you prove, as your position seems to be, that the EF in fact works? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:44    Quote (Alan Fox @ July 06 2008,05:42) Quote I'm going to show you that you are weak in terms of intellectual debate. Would a separate thread be appropriate, (assuming there are going to be more than a couple of comments)? No no, no seperate thread, come at me here.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:45    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:43) refuting, dam you dumbasses can't even implement a simple edit function. How dumb is that? You don't get edit till you have shown you can be trusted not to go back and delete your own comments when they become an embarrassment to you. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:45    Quote Thanks for once again admitting that you are completely ignorant of my position. He's not the only one that is completely ignorant of your position. I freely admit it. What is your position? If you don't want to restate it, perhaps you have a link that says more than ... is competely ignorant and ...sucks.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:45    The EF? lol again, you are completely ignorant of my position. The EF is as much of a joke as the assertion that steve can argue scientific topics.

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:46    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,11:43) refuting, dam you dumbasses can't even implement a simple edit function. How dumb is that? Editing rights have to be earned. -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:47    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:44) Quote (Alan Fox @ July 06 2008,05:42)   Quote I'm going to show you that you are weak in terms of intellectual debate. Would a separate thread be appropriate, (assuming there are going to be more than a couple of comments)? No no, no seperate thread, come at me here. What do you mean? On the one hand you are saying "I don't debate people who don't know my position" and on the other you are saying "you are too intellectually challenged to debate me" Both cannot be true. Still, in your world, perhaps they can both be true and that's how you and people like you make your way in the world. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:47    So I wonder what the point of this thread is then if no one knows my position. Perhaps that will become clear in the comming weeks.

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