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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,12:23

As far as I am aware, an engineer detects design by comparing things to a big book (Or website) full of previous designs. "Ahh, this one is a 1956 Smith mark 2".

So, imagine Dave sitting there with his Bible, trying to find information on the appendix, or parts numbers for flagella.

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,12:39

I've seen a creationist use the word "syngameon" this week. Has anyone seen this on Uncommon dissent, or will they steal it off the creationists in short order, in which case how long?

(I understand it refers to a group of animals that acn interbreed despite their external differences that might get them classified into different species. It may be an attempt to replace toe word "kinds".)

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,14:01

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Dave's professional engineering experience does not give him experience with the question at hand.

There's also the minor issue that DT has no professional engineering experience (or education). There is no forum on Earth (except UD) where he would be accepted as an expert on design or the practise of engineering.

To be fair, you can go to this site:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html

and search for "Springer, David" as inventor name. You will find that he is the sole or joint holder of 4 patents:

6,393,586
6,321,262
6,212,631
5,936,608

None seem related to biology.

But check them out. One is to do with beeping and flagging an error code on bootup, and another is to do with identifying the computer when accessing online services. It's hardly earth shattering engineering.

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,14:47

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1816#comment-78461

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I�d agree. Common descent from a single LUCA may be true itself but the historical narratives we have now may not be true themselves. Some ideas like land mammals to whales may have never existed (or persisted to this day) if the bearded buddha had never posited his bear story. If front-loading and universal common descent are both true then why couldn�t the whale have evolved entirely in the ocean and received the mammal-like features from internal information?

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22. DaveScot // Nov 29th 2006 at 12:40 pm

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Patrick

Exactly.

Comment by DaveScot � November 29, 2006 @ 12:40 pm

Suuure. Whales evolved from Ichthyosaurs, who in turn evolved from sharks, no doubt- I mean, come on! It's obvious! Just look at them! Amazing what a little front-loading can do, right?

Is this CRAP that's supposed to revolutionize biology? Is this the kind of "hypothesis" that schools of tomorrow would teach, if the IDers ever had their way?

Man. It's a good thing they'll never be anything more than cooks.

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,14:47

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6. William Dembski // Nov 29th 2006 at 10:43 am

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Comment by William Dembski � November 29, 2006 @ 10:43 am

STRANGE THAT YOU ESPOUSE DEMOCRACY, WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ONE AND CENSOR DISSIDENTS, YOU TWATS

The technical problem at Oceana's Bureau of History is one that requires a thorough recollection investigation. Removing PWE's comment didn't remove all traces of PWE. Ekstasis is still left responding to a comment that never existed. The revolution will only be complete when the language is perfect.

By the way, what did PWE say to provoke the ban?

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,14:51

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Thanks for the link, djmullen.

Can anyone tell me when UD was first launched?

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,15:12

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,15:22

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6. William Dembski // Nov 29th 2006 at 10:43 am

PWE is no longer with us. �WmAD

Comment by William Dembski � November 29, 2006 @ 10:43 am

STRANGE THAT YOU ESPOUSE DEMOCRACY, WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ONE AND CENSOR DISSIDENTS, YOU TWATS

The technical problem at Oceana's Bureau of History is one that requires a thorough recollection investigation. Removing PWE's comment didn't remove all traces of PWE. Ekstasis is still left responding to a comment that never existed. The revolution will only be complete when the language is perfect.

By the way, what did PWE say to provoke the ban?

and more...

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1817#comment-78483

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Collin // Nov 29th 2006 at 3:45 pm

does this website blacklist words? I suggest that this website could do better in not editing out dissent.

Comment by Collin � November 29, 2006 @ 3:45 pm
21. Collin // Nov 29th 2006 at 3:47 pm

Besides,
What if a friendly blogger wanted to ask about one of the blacklisted words or offered a counterargument to a blacklisted idea. Is that automatically blacklisted? I understand the need of some kind of filter, but too much encourages the kind of group think IDers are trying to fight.

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,16:16

He's back!

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,16:27

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He's back!

aww.... bless his cotton socks.

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,16:47

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He's back!

What's the name of that fish that puffs itself up to look big? Reminds me of Dave who is again trying to impress us with his involvement on the Dell patent review committee. His co-participation in 6 patents doesn't seem so stupendous when you read what else he has to say:

"Engineers of all sorts, programmers, and those involved in development of business methods across the company were expected to submit between one and four abstracts each year as part of their performance plan."

Especially as he claims to have approved about 300 which all went on to become patents.

Surely someone who boasts this much about pretty boring technical and work achievements is insecure.

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,17:00

They used to put Dave in a room with their new stuff connected to the internet and measure its 'mean time to Tardation'.

For example.

Dell 325 DX.
MTtT 314 seconds
SD 34 seconds

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,17:19

Another day, another irony meter:

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Joseph // Nov 29th 2006 at 5:49 pm

�I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.�- V

'specially for Zachriel...

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,17:34

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What's the name of that fish that puffs itself up to look big?

the looksbigger fish?

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,17:35

For the record, posting a family tree on a thread about inheritance resulted in Joseph refusing to post the comment to his blog.

Then he retorted in doggerel, "IOW you are nothing but an internet punk, spewing junk."

(Tidbit: In the 1962 film Lawrence of Arabia, Alec Guiness portrayed Prince Faisal, Sharif Hussein's son.)

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,18:18

Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 29 2006,17:35)

For the record, posting a family tree on a thread about inheritance resulted in Joseph refusing to post the comment to his blog.

Then he retorted in doggerel, "IOW you are nothing but an internet punk, spewing junk."

(Tidbit: In the 1962 film Lawrence of Arabia, Alec Guiness portrayed Prince Faisal, Sharif Hussein's son.)

Shock horror, IDer censors.

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,18:28

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 28 2006,21:38)

Phonon, like a Photon but with two Ns,

Yeah, you know, a quantized lattice vibration.

Wally Shawn. So that's his name. Everytime someone says "inconceivable" I can't help but picture that guy saying it.

And I'll add that line to my sig, per sound advice.

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,18:57

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Pot...Kettle...TARD

D*mbski muses:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1817

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Quote of the day
by William Dembski on November 28th, 2006 � 8 Comments
�You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.� � Who said it and how does it apply to the ID-evolution controversy?

then... 6th [remainig] post in..

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1817#comment-78450

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6. William Dembski // Nov 29th 2006 at 10:43 am

PWE is no longer with us. �WmAD

Comment by William Dembski � November 29, 2006 @ 10:43 am

STRANGE THAT YOU ESPOUSE DEMOCRACY, WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ONE AND CENSOR DISSIDENTS, YOU TWATS

That thread just has to be self parody. Any other explanation is inconceivable.

I think I like Ekstasis a lot.

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Ekstasis // Nov 29th 2006 at 7:52 am

Perhaps the Materialist scientists are not interested in ascribing to democratic principles.

Materials scientists?

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How so? For starters, they limit entry to only those individuals they deem �worthy� according to their own standards.

I say, lower the standards. If you can tie your shoes, even if they are velcro, you too can be an ID scientist. Maybe even an ID materials scientist.

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Yep, an island of non-democracy in a sea of democracy. Is it time to submerge?

Good idea. UD should submerge. When all the materials scientists have been vanquished, then UD can re-emerge victorious on the internets. I guess we'll all be using the same computers since there won't be any materials scientists around to design smaller transistors.

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DaveScot // Nov 29th 2006 at 12:23 pm

Who gets to decide what is and isn�t taught? My feeling is that local school boards ought to be able to choose the curricula.

They can and do, except when there is a little thing called the Establishment Clause to get in their way. You 'member that? Them thar foundin fathers and thar durn democratic revolution? 'member?

To disallow establishment of religion in a public school is democratic. But, of course, none of this applies to ID, except in Judge Jone's zany opinion.

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,19:15

I don't understand why we had all of that discussion of the quality of DaveScot's engineering background. If a biologist were to expound on the engineering feats of von Daniken's ancient astronauts, I wouldn't be wondering if that person was really a biologist.

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,20:20

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I don't understand why we had all of that discussion of the quality of DaveScot's engineering background. If a biologist were to expound on the engineering feats of von Daniken's ancient astronauts, I wouldn't be wondering if that person was really a biologist.

It's quite common for software programers, technicians, trades people, craft workers to call themselves Engineers whereas a Biologist must be degree qualified to be called a Biologist.

Along with all his petite bourgeois bluster and underwhelming achievements, DT remember seems to think biology is akin to stamp collecting and pipetting.

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Posted: Nov. 29 2006,23:39

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You know that secret listserv you've been talking about on ATBC that Heddle got kicked off of? I'm on that list and write to it a couple times every day. You'd be amazed by all the scientists and engineers all over the world who are are on it. Of course if I told you any of those names, many you'd recognize, I'd have to kill you. I was added to it shortly after Heddle was removed.

You really have to wonder about the quality of that list, if they can kick Heddle off (for having the temerity to discuss the age of the Earth, no less) while actually admitting the likes of DaveScot.

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It really sucks that well respected working scientists have to go underground to talk about ID lest they be Sternberged for their heresies against evolutionary dogma.

And I guess this 'going underground' also explains why none of them, like, do any research. Poor poor guys.

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Posted: Nov. 30 2006,01:14

A leading light of ID pipes in with some deep thoughts:

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13. francisbeckwith // Nov 29th 2006 at 9:46 pm

Finally, a secular Wedge document. It is, however, far more militant than its counterpart. For this secularist version is calling for a full-orbed atheocracy including public marginalization of all heretics. Here�s a tip: whenever someone thinks he is advancing Reason�s march through history, the enemies of Reason are disposable (if they are not willing to shut up and stop shaping their communities). This is a secular jihad.

Comment by francisbeckwith � November 29, 2006 @ 9:46 pm

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1818#comment-78540

Run for the hills! The Atheists are advocating REASON!

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Posted: Nov. 30 2006,01:34

I was delighted when Baylor granted him tenure. If you're going to be a bottom tier tarducational facility with maximum jebus, you need to retain the worst minds you can find.

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Posted: Nov. 30 2006,03:54

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 30 2006,00:39)

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You know that secret listserv you've been talking about on ATBC that Heddle got kicked off of? I'm on that list and write to it a couple times every day. You'd be amazed by all the scientists and engineers all over the world who are are on it. Of course if I told you any of those names, many you'd recognize, I'd have to kill you. I was added to it shortly after Heddle was removed.

You really have to wonder about the quality of that list, if they can kick Heddle off (for having the temerity to discuss the age of the Earth, no less) while actually admitting the likes of DaveScot.

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It really sucks that well respected working scientists have to go underground to talk about ID lest they be Sternberged for their heresies against evolutionary dogma.

And I guess this 'going underground' also explains why none of them, like, do any research. Poor poor guys.

got a link for that?

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Posted: Nov. 30 2006,08:19

Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 29 2006,10:54)

Pot...Kettle...TARD

D*mbski muses:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1817

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Quote of the day
by William Dembski on November 28th, 2006 � 8 Comments
�You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.� � Who said it and how does it apply to the ID-evolution controversy?

then... 6th [remainig] post in..

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1817#comment-78450

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6. William Dembski // Nov 29th 2006 at 10:43 am

PWE is no longer with us. �WmAD

Comment by William Dembski � November 29, 2006 @ 10:43 am

STRANGE THAT YOU ESPOUSE DEMOCRACY, WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ONE AND CENSOR DISSIDENTS, YOU TWATS

Hi;

Yes, it's quite funny, and the reason for my demise might have been that I - just as an example og how dissidents were treated - mentioned John A Davison whining over at Brainstorms, because DaveScot had banned him from UD.

Ok, John is banned from just about everywhere, but Dembski is the only one that I know of that has whined about treatment of dissidents.

- pwe

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Posted: Nov. 30 2006,09:50

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You know that secret listserv you've been talking about on ATBC that Heddle got kicked off of? I'm on that list and write to it a couple times every day. You'd be amazed by all the scientists and engineers all over the world who are are on it. Of course if I told you any of those names, many you'd recognize, I'd have to kill you. I was added to it shortly after Heddle was removed.

You really have to wonder about the quality of that list, if they can kick Heddle off (for having the temerity to discuss the age of the Earth, no less) while actually admitting the likes of DaveScot.

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It really sucks that well respected working scientists have to go underground to talk about ID lest they be Sternberged for their heresies against evolutionary dogma.

And I guess this 'going underground' also explains why none of them, like, do any research. Poor poor guys.

got a link for that?

You mean Heddle getting booted for discussing the age of the earth on a list full of closet YEC'ers?

Yeah, Heddle discussed it on his blog on October 4th.

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Posted: Nov. 30 2006,10:07

Churchlady D'OL's articles are horrible, horrible reads stylistically, without even addressing the content issue..

But here..

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1822

She talks about herself in the third person.

http://wistechnology.com/article.php?id=998

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1) If for any reason you ever talk about yourself in the third person, you're teetering on the edge of an abyss. There's no excuse for it. I don't care if you're the CEO or the hot-shottest marketing hot shot the world has ever seen. It's crass and ill-bred to use your own name when referring to yourself.

RichardTHughes does not advocate Churchlady's writing style.

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Posted: Nov. 30 2006,10:33

Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 30 2006,10:07)

Churchlady D'OL's articles are horrible, horrible reads stylistically, without even addressing the content issue..

But here..

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1822

She talks about herself in the third person.

http://wistechnology.com/article.php?id=998

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1) If for any reason you ever talk about yourself in the third person, you're teetering on the edge of an abyss. There's no excuse for it. I don't care if you're the CEO or the hot-shottest marketing hot shot the world has ever seen. It's crass and ill-bred to use your own name when referring to yourself.

RichardTHughes does not advocate Churchlady's writing style.

Arden gets that, and has written it down.

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