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khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,14:10    A sciency request : can someone explain (or link to) the relationships of DNA/genes/chromosomes? I don't quite understand such. -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,14:19    DNA is the nucleic acid that genetic information is stored in. a gene is a small section of the entire DNA molecule that contains the information to build a particular protein.  an allele is a variant of a gene.  So you have a gene for blood type (really two), and each gene can be one of three alleles (A, B, or O). A chromosome is a large DNA molecule that contains many, many genes and, during cellular reproduction, coalesces into a strand that is actually visible in a microscope. So chromosomes are built of DNA and contain genes.  Genes are lengths of DNA within a chromosome.  DNA is a big freaking molecule that contains genetic information. Does that help? -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Robin Posts: 1431 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,14:26    Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 02 2012,14:19) DNA is the nucleic acid that genetic information is stored in. a gene is a small section of the entire DNA molecule that contains the information to build a particular protein.  an allele is a variant of a gene.  So you have a gene for blood type (really two), and each gene can be one of three alleles (A, B, or O). A chromosome is a large DNA molecule that contains many, many genes and, during cellular reproduction, coalesces into a strand that is actually visible in a microscope. So chromosomes are built of DNA and contain genes.  Genes are lengths of DNA within a chromosome.  DNA is a big freaking molecule that contains genetic information. Does that help? Here's a nice illustration of what Ogre put so welll for those who are visual folks: ETA: removed additional letters from word Edited by Robin on Mar. 02 2012,14:29 -------------- we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

Robin Posts: 1431 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,14:28    Duplicate post. My skills are diminishing as Friday winds down... Edited by Robin on Mar. 02 2012,14:30 -------------- we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,14:57    Between the visual and the text, I think I get it. Haven't had a biology class since 1964. -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

Robin Posts: 1431 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,15:11    Quote (khan @ Mar. 02 2012,14:57) Between the visual and the text, I think I get it. Haven't had a biology class since 1964. I must confess that after I took biology in college, I had this impression for some reason that each chromosome contained somewhere between 8 and 26 genes and these genes were more like singular cell-like structures. I don't know why. I probably partied too much those two weeks or something. -------------- we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2012,14:48    And all is right with the world. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2012,10:41    Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 03 2012,14:48) And all is right with the world. No it's not -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,22:24    So I'm wondering if Excedrin and Bayer were among the sponsors who pulled their support for Rushed Limpballs. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,12:10    Wow... I'm confused.  I had a Louis sighting today... making comments at Pharyngula. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,13:08    Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 06 2012,13:10) Wow... I'm confused.  I had a Louis sighting today... making comments at Pharyngula. tell him i miss him!  probably off playing with a shepherd boy and buggering things -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,14:11    I miss him, too! Please make him come back! -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,18:38    Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 06 2012,14:11) I miss him, too! Please make him come back! If UD ruled the world, they could make him come back.  I think if you promised to bake him a cake, or photo-shoped Gil into a frilly shirt, he might reappear.... -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,22:32    Would the cake have CSI as an ingredient? Henry

Schroedinger's Dog Posts: 1692 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,08:39    I sometimes spot Louis over there as well, then quickly come back here in the hope of seing a new post by him. I think we really pissed him off at some point or other. Which makes me feel very bad... -------------- "Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G "I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,08:47    Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Mar. 07 2012,09:39) I sometimes spot Louis over there as well, then quickly come back here in the hope of seing a new post by him. I think we really pissed him off at some point or other. Which makes me feel very bad... YOU READ PHAWRONGULA!!!!!!!1!! -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Schroedinger's Dog Posts: 1692 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,09:05    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 07 2012,15:47) Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Mar. 07 2012,09:39) I sometimes spot Louis over there as well, then quickly come back here in the hope of seing a new post by him. I think we really pissed him off at some point or other. Which makes me feel very bad... YOU READ PHAWRONGULA!!!!!!!1!! Only when linked at Abbie's Slimepit, Ras, only when linked... -------------- "Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G "I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,18:10    [Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. - Lou FCD] Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 06 2012,22:05) Looks like with its instant comment promotion, no moderation for adults and respect for both viewpoints, TSZ is killing UD. Shame on you UD, look at what you could have been if you weren't a propaganda machine. Might as well put in for that DI sponsorship now... Dumbass- UD doesn't care about comments and TSZ is going down quickly -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

utidjian Posts: 185 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,18:19    [Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. - Lou FCD] Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,18:10) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 06 2012,22:05) Looks like with its instant comment promotion, no moderation for adults and respect for both viewpoints, TSZ is killing UD. Shame on you UD, look at what you could have been if you weren't a propaganda machine. Might as well put in for that DI sponsorship now... Dumbass- UD doesn't care about comments and TSZ is going down quickly Joe, Don't tell kairosfocus that. It would ruin his day, not to mention his whole existence. -------------- Being laughed at doesn't mean you're progressing along some line. It probably just means you're saying some stupid shit -stevestory

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,18:21    [Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. - Lou FCD] Quote (utidjian @ Mar. 08 2012,18:19) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,18:10) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 06 2012,22:05) Looks like with its instant comment promotion, no moderation for adults and respect for both viewpoints, TSZ is killing UD. Shame on you UD, look at what you could have been if you weren't a propaganda machine. Might as well put in for that DI sponsorship now... Dumbass- UD doesn't care about comments and TSZ is going down quickly Joe, Don't tell kairosfocus that. It would ruin his day, not to mention his whole existence. No, he can still post- no comments does not = no new topics.... -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,18:26    [Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. - Lou FCD] Quote (utidjian @ Mar. 08 2012,18:19) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,18:10) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 06 2012,22:05) Looks like with its instant comment promotion, no moderation for adults and respect for both viewpoints, TSZ is killing UD. Shame on you UD, look at what you could have been if you weren't a propaganda machine. Might as well put in for that DI sponsorship now... Dumbass- UD doesn't care about comments and TSZ is going down quickly Joe, Don't tell kairosfocus that. It would ruin his day, not to mention his whole existence. I doubt such an eminent personality as kairosfocus would deign to be advised by an ill-mannered prole like our little Joey. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,18:29    [Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. - Lou FCD] Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,16:21) Quote (utidjian @ Mar. 08 2012,18:19) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,18:10)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 06 2012,22:05) Looks like with its instant comment promotion, no moderation for adults and respect for both viewpoints, TSZ is killing UD. Shame on you UD, look at what you could have been if you weren't a propaganda machine. Might as well put in for that DI sponsorship now... Dumbass- UD doesn't care about comments and TSZ is going down quickly Joe, Don't tell kairosfocus that. It would ruin his day, not to mention his whole existence. No, he can still post- no comments does not = no new topics.... Has UD banned you, Joe?  Is that why you're smearing shit on the walls elsewhere? -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,18:56    [Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. - Lou FCD] Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 08 2012,18:29) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,16:21) Quote (utidjian @ Mar. 08 2012,18:19)   Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,18:10)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 06 2012,22:05) Looks like with its instant comment promotion, no moderation for adults and respect for both viewpoints, TSZ is killing UD. Shame on you UD, look at what you could have been if you weren't a propaganda machine. Might as well put in for that DI sponsorship now... Dumbass- UD doesn't care about comments and TSZ is going down quickly Joe, Don't tell kairosfocus that. It would ruin his day, not to mention his whole existence. No, he can still post- no comments does not = no new topics.... Has UD banned you, Joe?  Is that why you're smearing shit on the walls elsewhere? Shit on shit? How can you tell? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,21:31    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,18:56) [Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. - Lou FCD]<br/><br/> Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 08 2012,18:29) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,16:21)   Quote (utidjian @ Mar. 08 2012,18:19)   Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,18:10)     Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 06 2012,22:05) Looks like with its instant comment promotion, no moderation for adults and respect for both viewpoints, TSZ is killing UD. Shame on you UD, look at what you could have been if you weren't a propaganda machine. Might as well put in for that DI sponsorship now... Dumbass- UD doesn't care about comments and TSZ is going down quickly Joe, Don't tell kairosfocus that. It would ruin his day, not to mention his whole existence. No, he can still post- no comments does not = no new topics.... Has UD banned you, Joe?  Is that why you're smearing shit on the walls elsewhere? Shit on shit? How can you tell? UD will be as dead as your blog soon, Joe. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,21:32    Oh - and proof that *everyone* thinks you're an idiot is that TSZ let you start topics and UD never will.   -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,23:25    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 08 2012,22:32) Oh - and proof that *everyone* thinks you're an idiot is that TSZ let you start topics and UD never will.  :D "topics" -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2012,21:01    I'm wondering if someone would be willing to create a thread about the Coppedge case? There's an article on Yahoo News about it here. -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2012,22:37    Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 12 2012,21:01) I'm wondering if someone would be willing to create a thread about the Coppedge case? Must we? How about a multiple-thread thread entitled, "New whine, old wattles." I have not been able to keep up with everything plus being sick, let along the Coppafeelie case. He launched a craft named Cassini, but he's acting like a weenie and he got laid off, but Disco 'Tute won't pay off. Dog, is that all they can pull out of that hat, now? I don't recall the Wedge Strategy calling for frivolous lawsuits being floated like an anvil blimp by dingalings whose idea of "not proselytizing" is to distribute DVDs at work. All of this street theatre is starting to look like a crack dance. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2012,23:09    Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 12 2012,21:01) I'm wondering if someone would be willing to create a thread about the Coppedge case? There's an article on Yahoo News about it here. The Sensuous Curmedgeon blog is following it and has all the pleadings and background. NCSE also has a lot of the information. Basically Coppedge says it's religious bias against him, but it's about ID, so it can't be religious. JPL says he harassed coworkers and wouldn't stop when asked. Unless there is just an utter theocrat as a judge, I think we can see where this one is going.  Basically read what Luskin is writing... reality is the exact opposite. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2012,01:22    I've been keeping up with the case on other sites but when I saw that Yahoo News article and wanted to bring it to the attention of people here I realized that there isn't a thread devoted to the case. I wasn't sure where to post about it and didn't want to clutter up the wrong thread. I just thought it might be a good idea to have a thread where posts about that case could be placed. I'll leave it up to the powers that be here. :) -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

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