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rvb8January 31, 2017 at 6:37 pm
Kairos,
one line cought me, out of the hundreds;
‘speaks to twisting the theatre, arts, literature and the like into propoganda.’
I know you are referring to old Soviet, ‘Agitation/Propoganda’, but I have to ask; “What is your preferred message?”
Is it a Christian one, that denies evolution, is it one that denies the right to a safe abortion for women? Is it one where Donald Trump’s immigration plan is sensible?
You see, I fail to see why the Soviet agit-prop is wrong, and your own right. I know your ‘right’ is self evident, but not to me, and not to millions like me; what in your opinion is to be done with mine, and others dissent?
For me, as an enlightened atheist, I say all power to you, your ID position is basically dead, so continue with your agit-prop, for all it’s worth; little!
As Pindi rightly points out, agit-prop works best with an audience, not within the limited arena of ten or twelve posters. |
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rvb8January 31, 2017 at 7:00 pm
j_a_d,
the op is about the effectiveness, or otherwise of street protest, and its reporting by the media, Kairos explains;
‘where manipulators keep trying to push/pull our window of acceptability through deceipt, poison, accusation, polarising, and more.’
I’m not a troll, I was simply astounded at the accusation of supposed bias,(by the left orientated media I suppose), to manipulate; who exactly? A vulnerable ill informed public? Perhaps that public should become involved, educated on subjects that effect it.
At present Trump has declared seven Muslim countries to be persona non-grata, in the US. Do you accept this policy? If you do, you are ill-informed.
None of these seven countries have produced jihadis that have in any way been effective in harming US interests, or citizens.
However, the citizens of Saudi-Arabia, the U.A.E, and Egypt and their associated jihadis have killed thousands of US citizens and remain off the Trump list; some have been as nasty as to suggest that this is because Trump has property investnents in these basket case countries.
Kairos talks about agit/prop, and fails to point out the use by the Commander in Chief, of all his Executive power to agit/prop himself, and his absurd predjudices.
Pindi’s ‘echo-chamber’ observation is a sound criticism, indeed agit/prop works best within echo-chambers, albeit in ones considerably larger, and attracting far more contributors than this particular echo-chamber. |
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rvb8January 31, 2017 at 7:20 pm
‘Q’
I’m not a US citizen, but I do understand the right of protest. Many times as a student in the 80s I would see abunch of my fellows marching and protesting, and would join, only to later find out what the protest was about; I did this many times, and strangely, not once was the protest by the students I joined counter to my own sensibilities, both then and now.
Your last sentence beginning, ‘Supposedly..’, is extremely sad to read, and makes me question whether you understand what ‘Democracy’ even means.
There is no ‘honeymoon’ period where an elected leader is given the benefit of the doubt, at least not in my democracy, this appears to be a peculiarly American concept; where elected officials are off limits until a certain period has passed by; how absurd. Democratically elected officials are on the backfoot from day one, and if your democracy demands respect for these officials for a certain period of time, may I respectfully suggest your concept of democracy falls woefully short of the ideal; to hold elected officials accoutable for their policies and decisions.
Trump is at present plainly using the Constituion of the US as something that can be molded, or ignored, depending upon how he feels at any given moment.
Seven countries, besides the fact that all of these countries are emotional defalt countries, (Libya, and Iran, stand out), can anyone else, in the ID community see a connecting factor amongst this group of countries?
I’ll give you a hint it rhymes with Shmuslim. Is this a religious test of citizenship? Is this constitutional? Should US citizens be worried about Trump’s cavalier approach to the use of the Constitution?
And worse, he, Trump, is using really effective agit/prop. |
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