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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2006,14:28   

Link Here
Cornell University to offer ID class

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Cornell University, Ithaca, NY, April 9 – The Intelligent Design Evolution Awareness (IDEA) Club at Cornell would like to applaud Allen MacNeil, the Ecology and Evolutionary Biology (EEB) Department, and Cornell University on this summer’s new course, BioEE 467: “Evolution and Design: Is There Purpose in Nature?”

Five and a half months after President Rawlings’ State of the University address condemning intelligent design, this course is Cornell’s first to focus on the theory from a historical and scientific perspective. Based on books such as Dembski and Ruse’s Debating Design and Behe’s peer-reviewed Darwin’s Black Box, the course purports “to sort out the various issues at play, and to come to clarity on how those issues can be integrated into the perspective of the natural sciences as a whole.”

This four credit seminar course, taught by the EEB Senior Lecturer Allen MacNeil, will also take a broader look at the historical disputes surrounding evolution.


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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2006,14:31   

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CREDIT & GRADES: The course will be offered for 4 hours of credit, regardless of which course listing students choose to register for. Unless otherwise noted, course credit in BioEE 467/B&Soc 447 can be used to fulfill biology/science distribution requirements and Hist 415/S&TS 447 can be used to fulfill humanities distribution requirements (check with your college registrar's office for more information). Letter grades for this course will be based on the quality of written work on original research papers written by students, plus participation in class discussion.

http://evolutionlist.blogspot.com/

This has course info

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2006,14:59   

Don't freak out BWE. Even if they manage to temporarily get some hand waving into a university, that's all they have. they got no theory, they got no predictions, they got no experiments. There's no ID science. Nothing to be concerned about.

   
sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2006,15:19   

yes, this was mentioned on PT as well.

did you check out the recommended reading list?

Any reason we shouldn't write to the instructor for clarification?

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2006,16:57   

I'm sure DaveTard will announce this as a victory.

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sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2006,17:03   

I wonder what UD will think of this?

  
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2006,17:51   

It's OK, the smell is still in the water.

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sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2006,18:09   

should we write to Cornell and call for a boycott?

  
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2006,18:23   

This Prof is an interesting bunch of guys. Read some of his other posts. :D

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sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2006,18:34   

send me a PM.

  
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2006,18:59   

Done.

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sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2006,19:14   

ditto.  check your inbox.

  
sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2006,19:50   

from Telic thoughts

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thebluesite Says:
April 10th, 2006 at 3:07 pm  

~expletive deleted~


shhh!

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,08:57   

I can't believe Cornell would do this. This pisses me off. Maybe we should organize a boycott?

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,10:24   

You never know. Might be worth Digging into the past of the professor. You know, find out how impartial he really is.

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Jay Ray



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,10:28   

Carl Sagan must be rolling over in his grave of the imagination.

Come back, Carl!  We need you more than ever!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,10:47   

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You never know. Might be worth Digging into the past of the professor. You know, find out how impartial he really is.

I wonder if he's a Christian? If so, that explains it. Surely Christians have no place teaching science classes. Teaching math at Bible colleges in the South, sure, but not science.

I'm going to write my liberal Congresswoman this very afternoon.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,10:51   

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Carl Sagan must be rolling over in his grave of the imagination.

Come back, Carl!  We need you more than ever!

Indeed, ever since he's been gone, no one says 'billions and billions' anywhere near as well anymore.  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,15:04   

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Indeed, ever since he's been gone, no one says 'billions and billions' anywhere near as well anymore.  :p

I miss the "Yuman " race

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sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,15:08   

and to think that Cornell is the home of Stephen T. Emlen.

my oh my.

harumph i say!  

harumph!

  
sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,15:20   

Check out the Sal post on this over on UD.

it will be interesting to see if DT can convince his flock of his "fox in the henhouse" hypothesis.

Will DT present evidence to support his hypothesis, or will he simply browbeat his crew into submission with threats of banishment?

tune in tommorrow and see, on...

"As the 'Tard Turns"

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,17:01   

From http://evolutionlist.blogspot.com

COURSE LISTING: BioEE 467/B&Soc 447/Hist 415/S&TS 447 Seminar in History of Biology

SEMESTER: Cornell Six-Week Summer Session, 06/27/06 to 08/03/06

COURSE TITLE: Evolution and Design: Is There Purpose in Nature?

COURSE INSTRUCTOR: Allen MacNeill, Senior Lecturer in Ecology & Evolutionary Biology, Cornell University

COURSE DESCRIPTION: This seminar addresses, in historical perspective, controversies about the cultural, philosophical, and scientific implications of evolutionary biology. Discussions focus upon questions about gods, free will, foundations for ethics, meaning in life, and life after death. Readings range from Charles Darwin to the present (see reading list, below).

The current debate over "intelligent design theory" is only the latest phase in the perennial debate over the question of design in nature. Beginning with Aristotle's "final cause," this idea was the dominant explanation for biological adaptation in nature until the publication of Darwin's Origin of Species. Darwin's work united the biological sciences with the other natural sciences by providing a non-teleological explanation for the origin of adaptation. However, Darwin's theory has been repeatedly challenged by theories invoking design in nature.

The latest challenge to the neo-darwinian theory of evolution has come from the "intelligent design movement," spearheaded by the Discovery Institute in Seattle, WA. In this course, we will read extensively from authors on both sides of this debate, including Francisco Ayala, Michael Behe, Richard Dawkins, William Dembski, Phillip Johnson, Ernst Mayr, and Michael Ruse. Our intent will be to sort out the various issues at play, and to come to clarity on how those issues can be integrated into the perspective of the natural sciences as a whole.

In addition to in-class discussions, course participants will have the opportunity to participate in online debates and discussions via the instructor's weblog. Students registered for the course will also have an opportunity to present their original research paper(s) to the class and to the general public via publication on the course weblog and via THE EVOLUTION LIST.

INTENDED AUDIENCE: This course is intended primarily for students in biology, history, philosophy, and science & technology studies. The approach will be interdisciplinary, and the format will consist of in-depth readings across the disciplines and discussion of the issues raised by such readings.

PREREQUISITES: None, although a knowledge of evolutionary theory and philosophy of biology would be helpful.

DAYS, TIMES, & PLACES: The course will meet on Tuesday and Thursday evenings from 6:00 to 9:00 PM in Mudd Hall Room 409 (The Whittaker Seminar Room), beginning on Tuesday 27 June 2006 and ending on Thursday 3 August 2006. We will also have an end-of-course picnic at a location TBA.

CREDIT & GRADES: The course will be offered for 4 hours of credit, regardless of which course listing students choose to register for. Unless otherwise noted, course credit in BioEE 467/B&Soc 447 can be used to fulfill biology/science distribution requirements and Hist 415/S&TS 447 can be used to fulfill humanities distribution requirements (check with your college registrar's office for more information). Letter grades for this course will be based on the quality of written work on original research papers written by students, plus participation in class discussion.

COURSE ENROLLMENT & REGISTRATION: All participants must be registered in the Cornell Six-Week Summer Session to attend class meetings and receive credit for the course (click here for for more information and to enroll for this course). Registration will be limited to the first 18 students who enroll for credit. Auditors may also be allowed, space permitting (please contact the Summer Session office for permission to audit this course).

REQUIRED TEXTS (all texts will be available at The Cornell Store):

Behe, Michael (2006) Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution
Paperback: 352 pages
Publisher: Free Press
ISBN: 0743290313

Dawkins, Richard (1996) The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe Without Design
Paperback: 400 pages
Publisher: W. W. Norton (reissue edition)
ISBN: 0393315703

Dembski, William (2006) The Design Inference : Eliminating Chance through Small Probabilities
Paperback: 272 pages
Publisher: Cambridge University Press
ISBN: 0521678676

Johnson, Phillip E. (2002) The Wedge of Truth: Splitting the Foundations of Naturalism
Paperback: 192 pages
Publisher: InterVarsity Press
ISBN: 0830823956

Ruse, Michael (2006) Darwin and Design: Does Evolution Have a Purpose?
Paperback: 384 pages
Publisher: Harvard University Press
ISBN: 0674016319

OPTIONAL TEXTS (all texts will be available at The Cornell Store):

Darwin, Charles (E. O. Wilson, ed.) (2006) From So Simple a Beginning: Darwin's Four Great Books
Hardcover: 1,706 pages
Publisher: W. W. Norton
ISBN: 0393061345

Dembski, William & Ruse, Michael (2004) Debating Design: From Darwin to DNA
Hardcover: 422 pages
Publisher: Cambridge University Press (July 12,
ISBN: 0521829496

Forrest, Barbara & Gross, Paul R. (2004) Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design
Hardcover: 416 pages
Publisher: Oxford University Press, USA
ISBN: 0195157427

Graffin, Gregory W. (2004) Evolution, Monism, Atheism, and the Naturalist World-View
Paperback: 252 pages
Publisher: Polypterus Press (P.O. Box 4416, Ithaca, NY, 14852; can be purchased online at:
http://www.cornellevolutionproject.org/obtain.html)
ISBN: 0830823956

Perakh, Mark (2003) Unintelligent Design
Hardcover: 459 pages
Publisher: Prometheus Books
ISBN: 1591020840

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,17:10   

don't tell me we hooked the wrong fish?

Good luck with your course.

  
sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,17:26   

the latest quote from Salvador -if only we could submit darwinists to the inquisition - Cordova:

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Dang, if only we IDists could have a chance to teach it at a secular university the right way, things would really sizzle.


LOL

he still doesn't get it.

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,17:50   

I don't get it. What required reading list for a class on ID could be complete without Jack Chick's Big Daddy?

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sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,18:16   

LOL

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,19:01   

Sounds interesting.  I'd probably take the course just for kicks...  but I'm a wierd like that.

  
Jay Ray



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,19:11   

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From the description:

Our intent will be to sort out the various issues at play, and to come to clarity on how those issues can be integrated into the perspective of the natural sciences as a whole.


Color me ultraviolet.  

Integrated? Is that possible?  It seems to me that either there is design or there is not design.  Surely integration is not an appropriate word to use here.

  
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,19:14   

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The latest challenge to the neo-darwinian theory of evolution has come from the "intelligent design movement," spearheaded by the Discovery Institute in Seattle, WA. In this course, we will read extensively from authors on both sides of this debate, including Francisco Ayala, Michael Behe, Richard Dawkins, William Dembski, Phillip Johnson, Ernst Mayr, and Michael Ruse. Our intent will be to sort out the various issues at play, and to come to clarity on how those issues can be integrated into the perspective of the natural sciences as a whole.


And thank you for doing the good work. Out here in Oregon, we have measure 37. Different discipline, same problem.

http://www.oregon.gov/LCD/measure37.shtml

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sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,19:27   

from Sal's thread, doug says:

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In college, we’re asking for critical thinking which is where the relatively new ID sciences can shine.


LOL.  D*mn, these folks ARE funny!

it's like saying,

"d*mn, if only we could get those guys with the nukes and tanks to fight us!  Boy our sticks and stones would show them, by golly!"

  
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