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Posted by: Jason Spaceman on Feb. 03 2007,01:41



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In his wonderful book, "Darwin's Black Box," author Michael Behe details the current "biochemical challenge to evolution." As true science has developed and modern technology is ever more able to peer deeply into the whirling universe of subatomic particles, the concept that life marched forward, mutation by mutation, from "simple" cell to complex organism has been knocked into the proverbial cocked hat. There is no "simple" cell, and never has been. Behe describes, even depicts, the "irreducible complexity" of the most microscopic living cell, which is in itself enormously complex and populated by intricate subsystems all necessary for cell function.

The more powerful and probing our microscopes become, the more diverse and dizzyingly complicated the simplest building blocks become; each is a tiny pulsing universe in itself!

Consider this. In 1925, in the infamous Scopes "Monkey Trial," ACLU attorney Clarence Darrow took the position that it was bigotry to teach just one view of human origins! He was defending the right of the science teacher to offer the theory of evolution as an alternative to the long-accepted account of creation. And now, that same ACLU is instituting lawsuits all over America wherever anybody dares to offer Intelligent Design or any other alternative to the theory of evolution! What blatant hypocrisy!

Here's one more pertinent consideration, never reported by the most devoted Darwinian: Charles Darwin's own statements, especially as he approached his own demise. Earlier in his life, he openly acknowledged "the extreme difficulty or rather impossibility of conceiving this immense and wonderful universe as the result of blind chance or necessity." His subsequent disciples evidently dismiss that thought. Doesn't fit the "theory."

But in a fascinating book, John Myers' "Voices from the Edge of Eternity," we find the detailed personal account of Lady Hope, of Northfield, England, who visited the aging scientist often at his bedside during his last days. It's too long to recount well here, but she tells of the Bible he was reading constantly and of the worship services that took place regularly in the summerhouse in his garden. She says that when she brought up the controversy still raging between believers in the Genesis account of creation and the growing group of scientists and teachers dismissing that account in favor of his "The Origin of Species" and related theories, he seemed distressed. And "a look of agony came over his face as he said 'I was a young man with unformed ideas. I threw out queries, suggestions, wondering all the time about everything. To my astonishment the ideas took like wildfire. People made a religion of them.'"

Exactly.
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Read it < here. >
Posted by: oldmanintheskydidntdoit on Feb. 03 2007,07:55

what a total loon.


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Now, Dr. Jonathan Wells states flatly, "I think in 50 years, Darwinian evolution will be gone from the science curriculum. People will look back on it and ask how anyone could, in their right mind, have believed this, because it's so implausible when you look at the evidence."

But 50 years could be enough to destroy the faith of two generations of our young, enough to replace it with a bankrupt false religion. Will we have the courage, the gumption, to make sure that doesn't happen?
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Pat Boone, descendent of the legendary pioneer Daniel Boone, has been a top-selling recording artist, the star of his own hit TV series, a movie star, a Broadway headliner, and a best-selling author in a career that has spanned half a century. During the classic rock & roll era of the 1950s, he sold more records than any artist except Elvis Presley. To learn more about Pat, please visit his website.
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Posted by: Dr.GH on Feb. 03 2007,18:27

I was never a fan of Pat Boone.  But it is sad to see him become a total mad man.  Boone has become Loonie.
Posted by: JohnW on Feb. 06 2007,14:15

They've got Pat Boone.  We've got < Pete Seeger >.  We win.



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Nowadays, Seeger doesn't play before large audiences, partly because he fears his voice is no longer strong enough. But he'll spend hours in the club, mischievously giving out bumper stickers reading "Gravity - it's just a theory" and encouraging people to send them to anyone in Kansas, heartland of the anti-Darwinism, creationist movement.
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Posted by: Henry J on Feb. 06 2007,21:16

Re "Gravity - it's just a theory"

Technically though, isn't it general relativity that's "just" a theory, with gravity being the thing it attempts to explain?

Henry
Posted by: creeky belly on Feb. 07 2007,03:10



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Re "Gravity - it's just a theory"

Technically though, isn't it general relativity that's "just" a theory, with gravity being the thing it attempts to explain?

Henry
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I would say that general relativity recharacterizes gravity, due to limitations of the speed of light. Gravity becomes warps in space time, in which light and mass are affected. Newton's laws are, in essence, a subset of gen rel; as massive, low speed solutions. (As a side note: Gen Rel shows up in String Theory as low-energy solutions)
Posted by: ofro on Feb. 07 2007,07:47



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Re "Gravity - it's just a theory"

Technically though, isn't it general relativity that's "just" a theory, with gravity being the thing it attempts to explain?

Henry


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I would say that general relativity recharacterizes gravity, due to limitations of the speed of light. Gravity becomes warps in space time, in which light and mass are affected. Newton's laws are, in essence, a subset of gen rel; as massive, low speed solutions. (As a side note: Gen Rel shows up in String Theory as low-energy solutions).

creeky belly


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Now how is all that going to fit on my bumper sticker?
Posted by: ToSeek on Feb. 07 2007,09:38

Gravity is a fact and a theory, just like evolution....
Posted by: Henry J on Feb. 07 2007,14:27

Re "Now how is all that going to fit on my bumper sticker?"

Either small print or a big bumper? ;)
Posted by: Ichthyic on Feb. 07 2007,16:05



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Either small print or a big bumper? ;)
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no, no, I will NOT go there...
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