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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,07:57   

Why deny ourselves the comedy?

I say let the man speak. :)

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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,07:59   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 21 2006,12:57)
Why deny ourselves the comedy?

I say let the man speak. :)

I concur, give him one thread to play in.  He's a laff riot to be sure.

Maybe he can dig up all those evidence based ID papers Behe and Dembski have written and submitted to godless science journals only to be rejected.

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,08:01   

OK and howabout JAD as well?

The both of them can do our work better than we can.

A free for all at the local, we could start a collection to pay for their drinks.

Better than the Goya of the fish wives.

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,08:07   

DT and JAD sharing a good EVO meal



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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,08:08   

The fact is that PT and AtBC have banned about 30 people in 3 years. That's roughly the number of people Davetard's banned since Monday. This tells you that only the most disruptive people are bounced from PT/AtBC. People like JAD, Larry Falafelman, Great White Wonder--people who have some kind of mental deficiency w/r/t reasoned discourse. Unlike Uncommonly Dense, you can disagree here all you want, as long as you're not excessively disruptive. Look at AFDave's 400 posts, Paley's 770 posts, Carol Clouser's several hundred, &c. Davetard belongs in the first group, and should remain banned.

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,08:11   

Steve, Perhaps as Mr. Christopher has suggested just one thread?

Positives: Damage and derailing will be limited
Negatives: Hilarity will be limited

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,08:12   

It should be pointed out that DaveTard also threatened to hack this site.

30 people Steve?  I think you are over-estimating.  It's probably much less than that.  Also, GWW was an evolution supporter, so it's not like people are banned for simply holding ID positions.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,08:15   

That's not an estimate, I know how many people have been banned, and 30 is approximately the number.
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Also, GWW was an evolution supporter, so it's not like people are banned for simply holding ID positions.

I never said they were. I said they were banned for having mental disorders which prevented them from behaving constructively.

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,08:15   

Quote (GCT @ June 21 2006,13:12)
It should be pointed out that DaveTard also threatened to hack this site.

He's got an IQ north of 150 (MPH, not KPH) and is a kompewter genius. As is we could stop him! ???

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,08:20   

Richard u r so vicious!!!

R u lou reed in deskys?

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,08:31   

Quote (k.e @ June 21 2006,13:20)
Richard u r so vicious!!!

R u lou reed in deskys?

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,08:33   

Quote (stevestory @ June 21 2006,13:15)
That's not an estimate, I know how many people have been banned, and 30 is approximately the number.
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Also, GWW was an evolution supporter, so it's not like people are banned for simply holding ID positions.

I never said they were. I said they were banned for having mental disorders which prevented them from behaving constructively.

On the number, I'll take your word for it.  I'm surprised that it's that high.  You are 100% correct though that it pales in comparison to how many DT has "put in permanent moderation" at UD.

Also, I didn't mean to imply that you said anything about GWW.  I was simply pointing that out to others that might not know.  Sorry, I didn't really make that very clear.

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,09:52   

I'd only support this if DT was confined to one thread and Davison was induced to post in the same thread.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,12:37   

Hey, I'm not the one to dictate what should and shouldn't be the focus of the forum here, and obviously I too enjoy the slapstick comedy that the Springerbot and AFD present.  However, really, don't we have enough frivolity and enough creobots to poke a stick at already?

If we're voting i vote not to reintroduce them, if for no other reason than to encourage more effort to go into posting topics related to actual science, or even philosophy, to discuss.  

JAD is literally, a one trick pony, and the Springerbot, based on previous experience, will simply run away to his own blog (UD) whenever things start looking bad for him here.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,13:00   

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Also, I didn't mean to imply that you said anything about GWW.  I was simply pointing that out to others that might not know.  Sorry, I didn't really make that very clear.


Ah, gotcha. Sometimes it's just impossible to read the tone of a text communication, so it's inevitable I'll err occasionally.

   
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,13:05   

Does anyone remember why exactly GWW was banned from PT? I had been there for a couple months, he was a regular, I left to go on vacation for a week, I come back and he's history. Did he have some kind of flameout?

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,13:10   

that was it exactly; one day he (she?) simply went completely ballistic (and that's an understatement) on just about everybody, and used a considerable amount of profanity to boot.

when the moderators attempted to intervene, they got an earful as well.

that was the last time I ever saw Great White Wonder round these parts.

that was what?  over a year ago IIRC.

i do believe I've seen GWW posting on other forums though; gone from PT but still round and about.

I don't know if GWW has approached any of the contributors for reinstatement or not.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,13:28   

Quote (Ichthyic @ June 21 2006,18:10)
that was it exactly; one day he (she?) simply went completely ballistic (and that's an understatement) on just about everybody, and used a considerable amount of profanity to boot.

when the moderators attempted to intervene, they got an earful as well.

that was the last time I ever saw Great White Wonder round these parts.

that was what?  over a year ago IIRC.

i do believe I've seen GWW posting on other forums though; gone from PT but still round and about.

I don't know if GWW has approached any of the contributors for reinstatement or not.

I had a hunch something like that had happened, but I missed the supernova event itself.

He still pops up at Pharyngula from time to time. He seems calmer now, but still puts out a vibe like he has a monster temper that's only held in check by heavy medication. But he did make a wry joke about his therapist once.

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Chris Hyland



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,13:37   

Speaking of people being banned, what happened to Thordaddy?

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,13:47   

Quote (Chris Hyland @ June 21 2006,18:37)
Speaking of people being banned, what happened to Thordaddy?

On June 9th he sort of went berserk with his anti-gay marriage obsession and started two new threads on the subject where he started getting very obnoxious. Then he started going after Wes and that sealed the deal.

Fine by me, he annoyed the shit out of me.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,13:52   

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Does anyone remember why exactly GWW was banned from PT? I had been there for a couple months, he was a regular, I left to go on vacation for a week, I come back and he's history. Did he have some kind of flameout?


GWW relentlessly, and viciously, insulted creationists. Making fun of Philip Johnson's stroke, stuff like that. I mean that's all GWW did. It was very annoying, and after about a dozen warnings, the administrators had it.

   
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,15:26   

hmm, I recall that GWW did, in fact, mostly post rants and witticisms (sometimes inappropriate), but occasionally contributed something quite worthwhile to a particular discussion as well.

In fact, I sometimes think I'm pushing the envelope myself.

I would have put GWW at (on average) about 80% rants/witticism vs. 20% content; but the content was there.

I guess it's just that GWW's rants were a bit more on the extreme side in quality, as well as quantity, and around the time of the banning, there was essentially NO content, and the rants were off the scale!

With myself, I usually constrain my angrier rants for specific folks; like the Clouserbot, for example, and the occassional other like her that pretends to knowledge about the ToE but obviously doesn't know shit from shinola.  Those folks PO me even more than pure creationists like AFD.

However, if anybody is curious as to exactly what posts were getting GWW in trouble, the records should still be there on PT, if anybody cares to do a search for them.  shouldn't be too difficult.  However, any posts that got moved to the BW, or deleted entirely, won't be locatable any more.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,15:41   

Getting mad at the Clouserbot is like getting mad at a 5 year old who demands that Superman exists. Poor thing can't be reasoned with, but it's not really going to hurt anything.

   
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,16:54   

well, the problem is that it's possible that she isn't lying when she says she does in fact have a PhD in physics (which, BTW, she stated just yesterday for the first time in all these months over on PT), which makes her smart like Behe, but just as deluded and wrong about anything else most of the time.

heck, did you see her recent screed about eliminating hyenas because they kill zebras in a "more cruel way" than lions do??

She's been half right with most of her comments about astrophysics, but ALWAYS wrong about her interpretations of the ToE and how science is actually practiced (and whenever she waxes on pretty much anything biological, for that matter)

It's frickin' weird, and she isn't doing any lurkers any favors.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,17:15   

I vaguely remember someone saying (paraphrasing) "A physics degree is not a certificate of sanity". While many people I knew in physics were bright people, there's always the occasional lunatic. I knew, for instance, a grad student who was sure the moon landings were faked.

   
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,17:24   

Oh Richard |;)4\/374r|;) will never figure that out :>

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,18:12   

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I knew, for instance, a grad student who was sure the moon landings were faked.


that must have made for some interesting conversations...

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,18:31   

No, not really. It was years ago, but several years after I decided that arguing with crazies was pointless, and that my time was more valuable. Occasionally you'll see me briefly break that rule, but for the most part, I'm pretty selective about my discussions. The time and energy spend discussing something might seem free, but if nothing else, it comes with 'opportunity cost', as the economists would say. So I try to only put in the investment of discussing something, when I expect to get some kind of return. With crazies like moon-landing deniers/ evolution deniers / global warming deniers, you're usually not dealing with people who have the mental habits which makes it productive to talk to them. Except, as others have pointed out, when you consider the return to be the enlightening of the ambivalent lurkers.

It's made a big difference in my life. I don't waste my time nearly as much now. If you came up to me, in 1996, and said, "God never gives you anything you can't handle" you'd be in for a 3 hour discussion of how unfalsifiable that is, that people die all the time, and dying certainly isn't 'handling things', &c. If you came up to me in 2006 and said that, you'd be in for the question, "Man, did you see that last Heat/Mavs game? I mean, shiiiiit. Is D-Wade for real?"

   
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,18:47   

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dying certainly isn't 'handling things',


well, OTOH, one might consider it the "ultimate" of ways to handle things.

maybe god just gets tired of our bs after a while, and just snuffs us out so he can stop listening to our whining?  He just makes it look like an accident.

fits with the idea that snuffing onesself out is a good way to stop having to listen to one's own bs and whining.

:p

Indeed; how bout the Heat.  looks like Wade has achieved true superstar status!  he even gets non-existent foul calls in the last 2 seconds of a finals game.  Only superstars get those calls.

;)

Yeah, I watched the last 4 games.  I hate Mark Cuban, but I did want to see Dirk Nowitzki do well.

in the end, I was kind of "meh", as I'm just a Laker's fan anyway.  I hope the fact that Wade scored 43 points in game 5, and was voted the MVP alleviates the pressure that's likely on Shaq's mind, as surely otherwise he would be calling Kobe on the phone every 10 minutes saying, "I told you so!"

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,19:16   

I know, Wade got some questionable calls, I admit it, but I think what made his performance so great was, in the last several games, he consistently made 18-ft jumpers and free-throws under the most stressful, most anxiety-filled conditions, in the 3rd and 4th quarters. He made shots in 11th hour situations when lesser men--most of us--would have turned to jelly. Those shots are what separate the men from the boys.

Put me at the top of the key, with a few minutes to go, and the shot clock ticking away, and my involuntary twitching would have been mistaken for a grand mal seizure.

   
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