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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2016,05:39   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 22 2016,16:13)
     
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Why do you think that working with all possible triplets is better than just working with the sequences taken one nucleotide at a time?

The banding method was in part inspired by Guenter's info. This is from program comments:

         
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From:  http://www.basic.northwestern.edu/g-buehler/genomes/genome.htm

The universal Codon spectrum (majorityn distribution)- also the work of countless inversions and inverted transpositions.
The infinity of conceivable Codon distributions.
Chargaff's second parity rule specifies only that the numbers of Codons are equal to the numbers of their reverse complements
in every sufficiently long genomic DNA strand. But it does not specify the numbers of each Codon.
In fact, there is an infinity of possible Codon distributions, that all fulfill the rule and, yet, are all different from each other.
This is easy to show. There are 64 different [three letter] Codons.
They can be divided into 2 groups where the members of one group are the reverse complements of the members of the other.
For example, one such division could consist of the following groups.
GROUP 1: AGT, ATT, CAT, CCT, CGG, CGT, CTG, CTT, GAA, GAG, GAT, GCA, GCG, GCT, GGA, GGC, GGG, GGT, GTA, GTC, GTG, GTT, TAG, TAT, TCG, TCT, TGA, TGG, TGT, TTA, TTG, TTT.
GROUP 2: ACT, AAT, ATG, AGG, CCG, ACG, CAG, AAG, TTC, CTC, ATC, TGC, CGC, AGC, TCC, GCC, CCC, ACC, TAC, GAC, CAC, AAC, CTA, ATA, CGA, AGA, TCA, CCA, ACA, TAA, CAA, AAA

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The illustration banding pattern shows both the GROUP 1 and GROUP 2 abundances.
On the very left you will see the corresponding three letter "AGT, ATT, CAT,," pair being shown in that row.
Their unusual closeness made it possible to show 64 triplet possibilities in only 32 comparisons.


After finding out how well this works for mathematically dissecting chromosomes the next logical step became to use the same idea for other sequence lengths. The program started with three, but all other lengths of unique coding are now needed. How that all together branches out helps show the systematics of the system needing to be modeled.

I think you are misunderstanding Albrecht-Buehler's point.  Insertions, deletions, translocations / inversions, recombinations and so on are indeed the source of variation, to the extent that a huge number of possible combinations and permutations of every strand of DNA get tried, although the vast majority fail horribly without even getting out of the gate.  The fact that reverse complements are as common as the original sequences indeed testifies to the anarchy and brutality of the process, and the thoroughness of the exploration of possibilities.  However, I don't see any point to comparing species by assessing all possible triplets and reverse complements - even with alternative splicing, only a tiny set of all possibilities are utilized in any given species, and considering the rest only obscures relevant similarities.

Compare "illumination" and "Elimination":
Method A:
Illumination
E_limination
One has an i instead of an e, an extra l, and a u instead of an i, and everything else is the same, giving a 9/12 similarity.

Method B:
Compare:
ill, llu, lum, umi, min, ina, nat, ati, tio, ion, mlr, lrg, rgz, gzm, zmr, mrn, rnf, nfo, foo, & oor,
versus
eli, lim, imi, min, ina, nat, ati, tio, ion, mlr*, lrg, rgz, gzm, zmr, mrn, rnr, nro, rov,
for 12 / 20 matches

* Using noitanimulli and noitanimile as reversals, and thus mlrgzmrnrov and mlrgzmrnfoor as complements (ab becomes yz, etc.)  

You seem to be pursuing something much closer to Method B.  Method B shows the variety of possibilities that can be explored by mutation, but how is this helpful in evaluating DNA similarities between species?  Comparison of sequences seems best served by analyzing unit-by-unit match-ups.

Evolution works because mutation proposes promiscuously, while selection disposes rigorously.  As Albrecht-Buehler notes, life reproduces fast enough to avoid total DNA randomization, aided by the evolution of DNA repair mechanisms and the fact that once a stretch of DNA does something functional, different versions of it, its reverse complement, and grafting it into other stretches of DNA are also likely to do something interesting, albeit slightly better, slightly worse, or in a radically different context.  Creationists don't get the way evolution works when they insist that all mutations must be bad, and you don't get that when you rail cluelessly against natural selection.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2016,18:19   

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I was attempting to creative relate . . . .


Beauty, eh!  :)  :)  :)  

Whatta hoot!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 24 2016,00:07   

The designer uses rot13, apparently.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 24 2016,04:40   

[/QUOTE]The designer uses rot13, apparently.[QUOTE]

She has to. She tried Gaulin's load-o-rubbish and found it didn't work.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 24 2016,04:41   

Don't know what happened there!

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 24 2016,11:31   

Looks like the slash was at the wrong end.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 25 2016,14:13   

www.dna-rainbow.org/ideograms/

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 25 2016,16:19   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 25 2016,14:13)
www.dna-rainbow.org/ideograms/

They provide a good explanation of what they did and how to interpret their diagrams.  I notice that they are encoding one base at a time.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 25 2016,16:59   

More details:

www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/5cpdv8/digital_banding_software_found_dna_bands_we/d9zozzo/

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 26 2016,11:04   

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A theory posits that the all of our thoughts are a function of a basic algorithm, N=2^i–1

www.kurzweilai.net/forums/topic/n2%E2%81%B1%E2%80%931-this-algorithm-may-be-intelligence#post-780528

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2016,04:21   

New illustrations:

https://www.reddit.com/r....n_sites

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2016,09:22   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 26 2016,19:04)
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A theory posits that the all of our thoughts are a function of a basic algorithm, N=2^i–1

www.kurzweilai.net/forums/topic/n2%E2%81%B1%E2%80%931-this-algorithm-may-be-intelligence#post-780528

Just Another Brain In a Vat Theory ( JABIVT)


As opposed to Gaulin's Addeled Brain - Festooned Eiderdown Shit Toon (GAB FEST)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2016,09:16   

Brain in a vat?

Surely not!

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2016,13:49   

New Ted video supports the conclusion found in the ID theory I'm responsible for:

This Dad Explains Why Homosexuality is About Survival Not Sex in Powerful TED Talk: WATCH
www.towleroad.com/2016/12/homosexuality-ted-talk/

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2016,10:37   

One pedigree we all may have come from – did Adam and Eve have the chromosome 2 fusion?
molecularcytogenetics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13039-016-0283-3

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2016,16:11   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 03 2016,13:49)
New Ted video supports the conclusion found in the ID theory I'm responsible for:

This Dad Explains Why Homosexuality is About Survival Not Sex in Powerful TED Talk: WATCH
www.towleroad.com/2016/12/homosexuality-ted-talk/

Hogwash, on three counts.  First, you explicitly say,
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For humans this instinctual and learned knowledge has through time guided us towards marriage ceremonies to ask for "blessing" from a conscious loving "spirit" ......
, which has traditionally not included homosexual couples.  Second, he is arguing on the basis of natural selection, which you explicitly oppose.  Third, he could well be wrong on that count as he presents none of the standard evidence that one would want to see that a trait is under positive selection.  (My guess is that he is trying really hard to validate and justify his son's sexuality.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2016,17:09   

Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 04 2016,16:11)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 03 2016,13:49)
New Ted video supports the conclusion found in the ID theory I'm responsible for:

This Dad Explains Why Homosexuality is About Survival Not Sex in Powerful TED Talk: WATCH
www.towleroad.com/2016/12/homosexuality-ted-talk/

Hogwash, on three counts.  First, you explicitly say,  
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For humans this instinctual and learned knowledge has through time guided us towards marriage ceremonies to ask for "blessing" from a conscious loving "spirit" ......
, which has traditionally not included homosexual couples.  Second, he is arguing on the basis of natural selection, which you explicitly oppose.  Third, he could well be wrong on that count as he presents none of the standard evidence that one would want to see that a trait is under positive selection.  (My guess is that he is trying really hard to validate and justify his son's sexuality.)

You missed the important qualifying sentence that comes before the paragraph you quoted from:

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(3) Multicellular Level Intelligence: Cellular level intelligence is the intelligent cause of multicellular level intelligence. In this case a multicellular body is controlled by a brain made of cells, expressing all three intelligence levels at once, which results in our complex and powerful paternal (fatherly), maternal (motherly) and other behaviors. This intelligence level controls our moment to moment multicellular responses, locomotion/migration and multicellular level social differentiation (i.e. occupation). Successful designs remain in the biosphere’s interconnected collective (RNA/DNA) memory to help keep going the billions year old cycle of life, where in our case not all individuals must reproduce for the human lineage to benefit from all in society.


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2016,10:38   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 04 2016,17:09)
Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 04 2016,16:11)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 03 2016,13:49)
New Ted video supports the conclusion found in the ID theory I'm responsible for:

This Dad Explains Why Homosexuality is About Survival Not Sex in Powerful TED Talk: WATCH
www.towleroad.com/2016/12/homosexuality-ted-talk/

Hogwash, on three counts.  First, you explicitly say,    
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For humans this instinctual and learned knowledge has through time guided us towards marriage ceremonies to ask for "blessing" from a conscious loving "spirit" ......
, which has traditionally not included homosexual couples.  Second, he is arguing on the basis of natural selection, which you explicitly oppose.  Third, he could well be wrong on that count as he presents none of the standard evidence that one would want to see that a trait is under positive selection.  (My guess is that he is trying really hard to validate and justify his son's sexuality.)

You missed the important qualifying sentence that comes before the paragraph you quoted from:

 
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(3) Multicellular Level Intelligence: Cellular level intelligence is the intelligent cause of multicellular level intelligence. In this case a multicellular body is controlled by a brain made of cells, expressing all three intelligence levels at once, which results in our complex and powerful paternal (fatherly), maternal (motherly) and other behaviors. This intelligence level controls our moment to moment multicellular responses, locomotion/migration and multicellular level social differentiation (i.e. occupation). Successful designs remain in the biosphere’s interconnected collective (RNA/DNA) memory to help keep going the billions year old cycle of life, where in our case not all individuals must reproduce for the human lineage to benefit from all in society.

I didn't miss it.  It's just in conflict with implications of stuff you write elsewhere.  It's neither a conclusion nor a prediction of your not-a-theory, but just an ad hoc rationalization, and you are ignoring the other issues.  

You found a conclusion that you liked, and you cherrypicked it despite all the other complications that it raises for you.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2016,18:04   

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I didn't miss it.  It's just in conflict with implications of stuff you write elsewhere.

Are you saying that gay couples are against marriage? Or it's an insult to mention marriage because it will hurt their feelings?

If that's more or less your point then I printed more than enough fancy letterpressed wedding invitations (for gay couples) to prove you wrong.

I'm not exactly sure what are reading into what I said, but you at least proved to have a very good imagination.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2016,18:14   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 05 2016,18:04)
Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 05 2016,10:38)
I didn't miss it.  It's just in conflict with implications of stuff you write elsewhere.

Are you saying that gay couples are against marriage? Or it's an insult to mention marriage because it will hurt their feelings?

If that's more or less your point then I printed more than enough fancy letterpressed wedding invitations (for gay couples) to prove you wrong.

I'm not exactly sure what are reading into what I said, but you at least proved to have a very good imagination.

If Gary gets any dumber, we're going to have to water him twice a week.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2016,18:39   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 05 2016,18:14)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 05 2016,18:04)
Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 05 2016,10:38)
I didn't miss it.  It's just in conflict with implications of stuff you write elsewhere.

Are you saying that gay couples are against marriage? Or it's an insult to mention marriage because it will hurt their feelings?

If that's more or less your point then I printed more than enough fancy letterpressed wedding invitations (for gay couples) to prove you wrong.

I'm not exactly sure what are reading into what I said, but you at least proved to have a very good imagination.

If Gary gets any dumber, we're going to have to water him twice a week.

So says another dimwit who believes that science is all about sitting in a classroom while you punish them with "grades".

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2016,19:05   

And another dose of reality for those who were led to believe that science is an excellent career choice:

www.reddit.com/r/Biochemistry/comments/5gbu98/a_materialistic_question/

The bright side I guess is that the internet is well saturated with out of work and struggling scientists for me to talk to, in forums that pertain to what they went to school for.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2016,20:42   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 05 2016,18:05)
And another dose of reality for those who were led to believe that science is an excellent career choice:

www.reddit.com/r/Biochemistry/comments/5gbu98/a_materialistic_question/

The bright side I guess is that the internet is well saturated with out of work and struggling scientists for me to talk to, in forums that pertain to what they went to school for.

I'm wondering what your motivation is for this post.

Just another way to distract from others exposing the inconsequence of your incoherent not-a-theory?

Or more pathetic whining about your inability to get paid for your "not-science"?

If the later, note the following in one of the comments:

   
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All that being said, successful scientists can be wealthy BUT the kicker is that the range of salaries in the field is huge due to the abundance and quality of PhDs. There are shitty PhDs that are poor, there are wicked smaht PhDs getting paid.


Well, you're not a shitty PhD...there is that.

But that's simply because science was not your career choice and you are not a PhD.

The shitty part still applies heavily to your efforts, clearly evidenced by your financial standing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2016,20:56   

Now that things are going great at Reddit and elsewhere I may soon need to stop posting in this cesspool of a forum. I had enough arguing with assholes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2016,21:07   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 05 2016,18:39)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 05 2016,18:14)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 05 2016,18:04)
 
Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 05 2016,10:38)
I didn't miss it.  It's just in conflict with implications of stuff you write elsewhere.

Are you saying that gay couples are against marriage? Or it's an insult to mention marriage because it will hurt their feelings?

If that's more or less your point then I printed more than enough fancy letterpressed wedding invitations (for gay couples) to prove you wrong.

I'm not exactly sure what are reading into what I said, but you at least proved to have a very good imagination.

If Gary gets any dumber, we're going to have to water him twice a week.

So says another dimwit who believes that science is all about sitting in a classroom while you punish them with "grades".

You know less about education than you do science, which is nothing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2016,21:10   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 05 2016,20:56)
Now that things are going great at Reddit and elsewhere I may soon need to stop posting in this cesspool of a forum. I had enough arguing with assholes.

Says the guy with 5,000+ posts.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2016,21:21   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 05 2016,19:56)
Now that things are going great at Reddit and elsewhere I may soon need to stop posting in this cesspool of a forum. I had enough arguing with assholes.


1. Everyone here remembers what it really means when you say "things are going great" at another forum (see my signature for an example)

2. You will always need to post in this forum as it is one of the few where you can get a fix when your attention-whore addiction fails to be satiated by delusional self-aggrandizement

3. As N. Wells notes just a few posts preceding this one, the asshole you find conflict with most frequently is yourself...not sure what you can do about that

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2016,23:52   



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2016,11:33   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 05 2016,22:52)
(F.U. finger excised)

Ooooh...isn't that a devastating response from someone of overwhelming insignificance?

Ha ha Gary, this is you:



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2016,14:37   

Way to elevate the discourse, there, GinGout.   Stay classy, buddy!

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