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MidnightVoice Posts: 380 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2005,05:34    Quote (evopeach @ Oct. 07 2005,09:53) Liar Liar Pants on Fire Midnight, There is no factual error unless I adopt you definition of aid to developing countries as meaning only those dollars allocated by the feds as foreign aid. That is a convenient socialist U.N. sort of definition to support the view expressed here that we are stingy compared to Denmark. Of course when direct charitable giving from people and companies is added the US swamps the field and that destroys your argument in toto so you have to resort to evo tricks like defining the terms absolutely to fit your position arbitrarily and then attacking those who don't except it. Just like defining science arbitrarily so no other approach to explanations is judged valid. You are a liar, a cheat, a deceiver and an arrogant ass and I am not prepared to give any credibility to such people... period. Is there a ROFL smilie on this board?  I desperately need one right now. You really are a peach, dear evo.    And so full of juvenile insults, which makes me wonder how old you really are. Never mind, your error is in writing, in the public domain, and perfectly clear for those with eyes to see.  As is you intellectually and morally despicable refusal to admit error. -------------- If I fly the coop some time And take nothing but a grip With the few good books that really count It's a necessary trip I'll be gone with the girl in the gold silk jacket The girl with the pearl-driller's hands

evopeach Posts: 248 Joined: July 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2005,07:29    Your error is maifold in world view, philosophy, logic, ignorance and egomania. My conclusions are backed up by the Hudson Institute and simply require that one consider the total dollars given by all Americans both through taxes and personal giving. Your's is a narrow and inaccurate figure that doen't even consider the facts on the ground reality and actual effects. Again its just the same old evo illogical mind and intellectual dishonesty we have seen for decades.

MidnightVoice Posts: 380 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2005,08:12    Quote (evopeach @ Oct. 07 2005,12:29) Your error is maifold in world view, philosophy, logic, ignorance and egomania. My conclusions are backed up by the Hudson Institute and simply require that one consider the total dollars given by all Americans both through taxes and personal giving. Your's is a narrow and inaccurate figure that doen't even consider the facts on the ground reality and actual effects. Again its just the same old evo illogical mind and intellectual dishonesty we have seen for decades. I repeat, I can only reply to what you actually wrote, and not what you meant to write.  And you still do not have the intellectual or moral honesty or courage to admit that you made an error in your post. That fact alone speaks volumes about your character, truthfulness and intelligence, and indicates how little value the casual reader should give to the rest of your posts.  Add in your penchant for childish and baseless personal insults to all and sundry, and a pretty pathetic picture emerges. -------------- If I fly the coop some time And take nothing but a grip With the few good books that really count It's a necessary trip I'll be gone with the girl in the gold silk jacket The girl with the pearl-driller's hands

evopeach Posts: 248 Joined: July 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2005,09:37    Here is a good reply you can copy and publish to demonstrate some capacity for honesty. Evopeach, I understand the context of the debate was my assertion that the US is one of the stingiest nations and peoples among all civilized nations when their support of developing nations is measured by aid to developing nations/GNP. That of course in socialist countries and most others is 99% of their giving in total while in the USA it is only about 1/4th of the giving according to the Hudson Institute research (and other sources as well). I agree that if one counts all giving as aid and not assume that unless it comes from the government its not aid and can't really help anyone then you are 100% right and I am 100% wrong. I guess its true that your post never said let's be incomplete and inaccurate and not include charitable dollars in fact foreign aid was never even mentioned. I guess if we want  the actual true numbers and have some feel for the actual good that is done in those countries rather than just making the US look bad compared to Denmark and puff up my left leaning socialist ego while championing atheism around the world and denigrating the religious community in the USA so I can continue to claim that atheist evos are morally superior and smarter than USA people of faith... well I suppose I owe you an apology for my intellectual dishonesty and I'll really try to debate from a position of truth telling from this point forward. It will be difficult since half-truths, omission, misrepresentation, character assination, vitriolic personal attack, vendettas and blackmail are stock in trade for the evo community and such are built-in reactions from years of training and mind control ... but I will try. Sincerely, Midnight

MidnightVoice Posts: 380 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2005,10:10    Quote (evopeach @ Oct. 07 2005,14:37) Here is a good reply you can copy and publish to demonstrate some capacity for honesty. Evopeach, I understand the context of the debate was my assertion that the US is one of the stingiest nations and peoples among all civilized nations when their support of developing nations is measured by aid to developing nations/GNP. That of course in socialist countries and most others is 99% of their giving in total while in the USA it is only about 1/4th of the giving according to the Hudson Institute research (and other sources as well). I agree that if one counts all giving as aid and not assume that unless it comes from the government its not aid and can't really help anyone then you are 100% right and I am 100% wrong. I guess its true that your post never said let's be incomplete and inaccurate and not include charitable dollars in fact foreign aid was never even mentioned. I guess if we want  the actual true numbers and have some feel for the actual good that is done in those countries rather than just making the US look bad compared to Denmark and puff up my left leaning socialist ego while championing atheism around the world and denigrating the religious community in the USA so I can continue to claim that atheist evos are morally superior and smarter than USA people of faith... well I suppose I owe you an apology for my intellectual dishonesty and I'll really try to debate from a position of truth telling from this point forward. It will be difficult since half-truths, omission, misrepresentation, character assination, vitriolic personal attack, vendettas and blackmail are stock in trade for the evo community and such are built-in reactions from years of training and mind control ... but I will try. Sincerely, Midnight Oh you are a delight!    Still not admitting to error, and still denigrating someone who has actually carried out long and short term foreign aid work in Africa and Asia.   What a glowing example you are, and what a true representation of anti-evolutionists!   -------------- If I fly the coop some time And take nothing but a grip With the few good books that really count It's a necessary trip I'll be gone with the girl in the gold silk jacket The girl with the pearl-driller's hands

evopeach Posts: 248 Joined: July 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2005,05:28    Oh mister holyman of charity riding on the taxpayers back as I supposed. Go get a banner and wear it.

Wonderpants Posts: 115 Joined: Sep. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2005,09:29    Quote (evopeach @ Oct. 07 2005,14:37) It will be difficult since half-truths, omission, misrepresentation, character assination, vitriolic personal attack, vendettas and blackmail are stock in trade for the evo community and such are built-in reactions from years of training and mind control ... but I will try. I unreservedly admit that I'm speechless at this point. You freely and repeatedly insult me and others who have treated you civilly solely because you don't like your shallow and blinkered little worldview being questioned, you lie, distort, demonstrate appalling ignorance, and evade awkward questions, and then you have the hypocrisy to whine about being subjected to the same treatment. If there is a God, I hope he washes his hands of you. -------------- Fundamentalism in a nutshell: "There are a lot of things I have concluded to be wrong, without studying them in-depth. Evolution is one of them. The fact that I don't know that much about it does not bother me in the least."

Hyperion Posts: 31 Joined: June 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2005,18:57    As to the original topic of the post, I refer interested readers to the Supreme Court decision in Tinker v. Des Moines. The court ruled that while students do have a right to free speech in a school, siding with Tinker, this right was predicated on the premise that such speech would be non-disruptive and relevent to the class at hand.  Specifically, the example was given that a student had every right to express his political opinions on government policies...but only in a US Government class, and not in the middle of math class. Furthermore, perhaps any concerns regarding the First Amendment implications involved in the teaching of evolution should be directed towards the Supreme Court justices who sided with the majority in Edwards, who seemed to find no First Amendment problems whatsoever.  Please do not discuss Constitutional Law until you have, I don't know, taken a few undergrad level cons law classes.

evopeach Posts: 248 Joined: July 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2005,03:30    Hyper, Its a funny thing about courts and ruling s and such. For 200 years people of faith were the cornerstone of public policy in this country and since the liberals , atheists and evos have had their way for while you think its all settled. Hold on tootsie... we'll see in the next year or so whether George Soros replaces George Washington or not. Hey!! I'll settle for giving every kid the opportunity to take a one semester class using Michael Denton's book on your "Theory in Crises". Just reading it again for the fourth time and I forget how totally devastating it is for every aspect of your fairy tale ideas. And to think he a biologist and Medical doctor ahould have been the one exposing most vividly the abuse and misuse of Darwin's original thought's and to paper over his misgivings and concerns over the validity of his own claims. He just might have been the only true scientist and intellectually honest evo ever. Thats it lead a campaign to get your man Denton into every classroom and let the kids sort it out. Promise me you won't have he or his family destroyed if this works our. Your mafia has beaten this guy enough already.

Moderator Posts: 32 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2005,04:51    OK, there are definitely some people here posting in violation of the forum rules. Read them, live them, or the IP bannings will begin. I trust one reminder is sufficient unto the task.

Marion Delgado Posts: 89 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2009,18:11    I think prices for troll-thread have crashed on the market of ideas and free speech.

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 19 2009,02:30    Quote (Marion Delgado @ May 17 2009,16:11) I think prices for troll-thread have crashed on the market of ideas and free speech. Dear lord. They're severing their ties with their dealers? -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

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