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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,06:20   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 10 2006,10:53)
I suspect this crush is just another one of Paley's sillyass PR moves to distract us from his inability to construct a coherent argument or indeed to say anything that makes sense. If you assume GOP's posts here are all a big joke, they suddenly fall into place.

I am pretty much convinced Paley is just posting for fun. But not absolutely certain.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,06:39   

Arden/Steve,

He's either taking the chronic micky (Americans read: fucking with us) or he is a creationist double think fruitcake of the first water.

I agree with Steve, I can't decide which. I reckon it's Loki trolling humour, but I could be wrong.

Cheers

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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,06:42   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 10 2006,10:53)
I suspect this crush is just another one of Paley's sillyass PR moves to distract us from his inability to construct a coherent argument or indeed to say anything that makes sense. If you assume GOP is a big joke, it suddenly falls into place.

Fixed it for ya!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,07:36   

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Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 10 2006,10:53)
I suspect this crush is just another one of Paley's sillyass PR moves to distract us from his inability to construct a coherent argument or indeed to say anything that makes sense. If you assume GOP is a big joke, it suddenly falls into place.

Fixed it for ya!

Well, some of us know the GOP is a joke in one way, a world class disaster in another   :D

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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,09:39   

Wow, you guys really miss Dave. Anyhoo, you'll be happy to know that I plan on posting a rough sketch tonight and a full installment either tomorrow or Wednesday. The delay is due to a combination of sinus trouble, medical appointments, and a nasty workload spike.

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I can't help but notice that Paley couldn't come up with any proof that White Supremacists admire Darwin. Did the site he got those black-on-white crime stats off of support him?

The proof is abundant and quite obvious. I notice that despite repeated requests, none of you wish to test your ideas by going undercover and running a poll at a white nationalist site. Gee, I wonder why. Well, since you guys are chicken, I'll back it up tonight. You've been warned.
         
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And, of course, he's ignoring my questions about Planet of the Apes and society. Typical.

Because I thought you were joking. Could you please explain your point, cause I don't get it (I've never seen Planet of the Apes, by the way).

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Not that I am denying the analysis of your posting habits and character by our ephemeral chum, but I think he's got a crush on you.

Wow, talk about being stuck in primary school. You know what's funny about this? Despite being a "homophobe", I'm probably less threatened by gay sex than any of you. Like I said before, people often think I'm gay because I don't have the neurotic need to "prove" my heterosexuality. Besides, this fella's got my heart.....


......especially if he beats this guy:



Matt took advantage of a rookie mistake the first time, but it ain't gonna happen again. GSP in three.

Oh yeah, you heard it here first: Chuck Liddell by ground n' pound T.K.O. over Wanderlei Silva.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,10:42   

I did a little bit of poking around on some AN sites, and I found far more references to Christianity than to both Darwin and the theory of evolution combined.  The following quote, attributed to Darwin, came up a few times.  I have no idea if it's accurate or not, but for the sake of research, here it is:

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CHARLES R. DARWIN ONRACE-MIXING

Charles Darwin, 1849

When two distinct races are crossed, it is notorious that the tendency in the offspring to revert to one or both parent forms is strong, and endures for many generations.

The Earl of Powis formerly imported some thoroughly domesticated humped cattle from India, and crossed them with English breeds, which belong to a distinct species; and his agent remarked to me, without any question having been asked, how oddly wild the cross-bred animals were.

These latter facts remind us of the statements, so frequently made by travellers in all parts of the world, on the degraded state and savage disposition of crossed races of man. That many excellent and kind-hearted mulattos have existed no one will dispute; and a more mild and gentle set of men could hardly be found than the inhabitants of the island of Chilce, who consist of Indians commingled with Spaniards in various proportions. On the other hand, many years ago, long before I had thought of the present subject, I was struck with the fact that, in South America, men of complicated descent between Negroes, Indians, and Spaniards, seldom had, whatever the cause might be, a good expression.

(1) Livingstone,- and a more unimpeachable authority cannot be quoted,- after speaking of a half-caste man on the Zambesi, described by the Portuguese as a rare monster of inhumanity, remarks, "It is unaccountable why half-castes, such as he, are so much more cruel than the Portuguese, but such is undoubtedly the case."

An inhabitant remarked to Livingstone, "God made white men, and God made black men, but the Devil made half-castes."

(2) When two races, both low in the scale, are crossed the progeny seems to be eminently bad. Thus the noble-hearted Humboldt, who felt no prejudice against the inferior races, speaks in strong terms of the bad and savage disposition of Zambos, or half-castes between Indians and Negroes; and this conclusion has been arrived at by various observers.

(3) From these facts we may perhaps infer that the degraded state of so many half-castes is in part due to reversion to a primitive and savage condition, induced by the act of crossing, even if mainly due to the unfavourable moral conditions under which they are generally reared.

1.. Journal of Researches, 1845, p. 71.

2.. Expedition to the Zambesi, 1865, pp. 25, 150.

3.. Dr. P. Broca, on 'Hybridity in the Genus Homo,' Eng. translat., 1864, p. 39.

No man in his senses would expect to improve or modify a breed in any particular manner, or keep an old breed true and distinct, unless he separated his animals.

It is a very surprising fact that characters should reappear after having been lost for many, perhaps for hundreds of generations. But when a breed has been crossed only once by some other breed, the offspring occasionally show a tendency to revert in character to the foreign breed for many generations - some say, for a dozen or even a score of generations. After twelve generations, the proportion of blood, to use a common expression, of any one ancestor, is only 1 in 2048; and yet, as we see, it is generally believed that a tendency to reversion is retained by this very small proportion of foreign blood.

How strongly these domestic instincts, habits, and dispositions are inherited, and how curiously they become mingled, is well shown when different breeds of dogs are crossed. Thus it is known that a cross with a bull-dog has affected for many generations the courage and obstinacy of greyhounds; and a cross with a greyhound has given to a whole family of shepherd-dogs a tendency to hunt hares.

Some species have a remarkable power of crossing with other species; other species of the same genus have a remarkable power of impressing their likeness on their hybrid offspring.

I think these authors are right, who maintain that the ass has a prepotent power over the horse, so that both the mule and the hinny more resemble the ass than the horse; but that the prepotency runs more strongly in the male-ass than in the female, so that the mule, which is the offspring of the male-ass and mare, is more like an ass, than is the hinny, which is the offspring of the female-ass and stallion.

Charles Darwin, The Variation of Plants and Animals under Domestication, 2nd ed., John Murray, London, 1875, vol. II, pp. 8; 19; 21; 62-63; The Origin of Species, 1st ed., Penguin, London, 1968; pp. 196; 239 (see also 1875: 1/43); 275; 287 (see also 1875: 2/43).


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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,11:02   

By the way, Eric:

What the #%$@'s a BAC?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,12:11   

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By the way, Eric:

What the #%$@'s a BAC?

Born-Again Christian.

I assume, since you claim to have been a "liberal" (whatever that means) earlier in life, that you have been "reborn," as that term is usually understood by evangelical Christians.

Even if you're not, technically, "born-again," the fact that you are a biblical literalist, young-earth creationist, and geocentrist, of all things, means that from my perspective you're indistinguishable from one anyway.

And for the record, I doubt you're less homophobic than I am.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,12:59   

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I can't help but notice that Paley couldn't come up with any proof that White Supremacists admire Darwin. Did the site he got those black-on-white crime stats off of support him?

The proof is abundant and quite obvious.

Indeed, it is.  But alas for Paley, it doesn't prove what he wants it to.

See, Paley, I ***did*** do the necessary research.

From my website:


Creationists, Hitler and Evolution

by Lenny Flank

© 1999

A common charge made by creationists is that evolutionary theory is "evil" and is the source of racism in general, and of dictatorial killers in particular. The most often-heard assertion is that Hitler and his racist genocide were the product of "evolutionary philosophy". Henry Morris, for instance, flatly declares, "However one may react morally against Hitler, he was certainly a consistent evolutionst." (Morris, "Evolution and Modern racism", ICR Impact, October 1973) Morris adds: "The philosophies of Karl Marx and Friedrich Nietzsche--the forerunners of Stalin and Hitler--have been particularly baleful in their effect: both were dedicated evolutionists." (Morris, Troubled Waters of Evolution, 1974 p. 33)

How accurate is this creationist finger-pointing? Not very. The creationists are apparently unaware of the fact that Stalinist Russia rejected Darwinian evolution as "bourgeois" and instead embraced the non-Darwinian "proletarian biology" of Lysenko and Michurin (a disaster from which Russian genetics and biological sciences has still not completely recovered). As for Hitler, even a cursory reading of his book Mein Kampf reveals that the true source of Hitler's inspiration and exhortations came from a source that creationists, understandably, would rather not talk about.

Hitler's goal was the "purification" of the "Aryan race" through the elimination of "subhumans", which included Jews, gypsies, Asians, black Africans, and everyone else who was not a white Aryan. Despite the creationists claims that this was based on Darwinain evolutionary theory, Hitler's own writings give quite a different story. The ICR claims that "Hitler used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) over and over again in his book." (ICR Impact, "The Ascent of Racism", Paul Humber Feb 1987) Like so many of ICR's claims, this one is simply not true---a quick scan of several online English translations of Mein Kampf shows only ONE use of the word "evolution", in a context which does not refer at all to biological evolution, but instead to the development of political ideas in Germany: "This evolution has not yet taken the shape of a conscious intention and movement to restore the political power and independence of our nation."

Had ICR made even a cursory reading of Mein Kampf, they would have seen a quite different source for Hitler's racist inspiration than the one they would have us believe. White Aryans, Hitler writes, are the special creations of God, the "highest image of the Lord", put here specifically to rule over the "subhuman" races: "Human culture and civilization on this continent are inseparably bound up with the presence of the Aryan. If he dies out or declines, the dark veils of an age without culture will again descend on this globe. The undermining of the existence of human culture by the destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a folkish philosophy the most execrable crime. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise." (all quotes from Hitler, Mein Kampf, online version) Actions which aid the "subhumans" at the expense of the Aryan master race, Hitler declared, were an offense against God: " It is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator if His most gifted beings by the hundreds and hundreds of thousands are allowed to degenerate in the present proletarian morass, while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are trained for intellectual professions."

Rather than basing his racism on any evolutionary theory, Hitler based it squarely on his view of white Aryans as the favored people of God. In fact, Hitler solemnly declares that his program of removing Jews and other "subhumans" from the earth is a divine task forced upon him by the Lord Almighty: "What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproductionof our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purityof our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that ourpeople may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the Creator of the universe."

Hitler concludes: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord," adding "Compared to the absurd catchword about safeguarding law and order, thus laying a peaceable groundwork for mutual swindles, the task of preserving and advancing the highest humanity, given to this earth by the benevolence of the Almighty, seems a truly high mission." For Hitler, removing the subhumans from earth was not a matter of biology or evolution---it was a divine mandate from God Himself, the "work of the Lord", a "truly high mission".

Even in discussing racial purity and "race-mixing", Hitler chooses not the words of evolutionary biology or eugenics, but points instead to his divinely holy mission: "Historical experience offers countless proofs of this. It shows with terrifying clarity that in every mingling of Aryan blood with that of lower peoples the result was the end of the cultured people. North America, whose population consists in by far the largest part of Germanic elements who mixed but little with the lower colored peoples, shows a different humanity and culture from Central and South America, where the predominantly Latin immigrants often mixed with the aborigines on a large scale. By this one example, we can clearly and distinctly recognize the effect of racial mixture. The Germanic inhabitant of the American continent, who has remained racially pure and unmixed, rose to be master of the continent; he will remain the master as long as he does not fall a victim to defilement of the blood. The result of all racial crossing is therefore in brief always the following: To bring about such a development is, then, nothing else but to sin against the will of the Eternal Creator."

The goal of the "folkish government", then, Hitler declares is to "finally to put an end to the constant and continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty Creator beings such as He Himself created."

"The folkish-minded man, in particular," Hitler concludes, "has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."

In Mein Kampf, Hitler makes an emotional appeal to God to aid him and his Nazis in their divine task: "Then, from the child's story-book to the last newspaper in the country, and every theatre and cinema, every pillar where placards are posted and every free space on the hoardings should be utilized in the service of this one great mission, until the faint-hearted cry, "Lord, deliver us," which our patriotic associations send up to Heaven to-day would be transformed into an ardent prayer: 'Almighty God, bless our arms when the hour comes. ' " Later, when Nazi troops swarmed over Europe, each of them wore an army-issue belt buckle inscribed with the words "God is With Us".

The invocation of God and the Bible in support of racism continues with modern hate groups in the US. Aryan Nations, which also calls itself the Church of Jesus Christ Christian, begins its web site by proclaiming "Praise Yahweh" and its intention to "serve the Lord of Glory and His Holy Race". The American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan note that only those of "Christian faith" can be members, and asks every new recruit "Do you believe in Jesus Christ?" The White Camelia Knights of the Ku Klux Klan declare that "at some point God's people must take action in the defense of our Christian, racial and political beliefs". The Camelia KKK website also explicitly states "We base our beliefs on our Biblical interpretations, not ignorance, superstition or blind hatred." How does the Camelia KKK justify its opposition to "race-mixing"? "White Christian Israelites are under God’s law and covenant. The other peoples of the earth are under nature’s law, which God also created. . . Nature’s law, which is a creation of YAHWEH, dictates that kind reproduce after kind. The different people of the world were never supposed to mix." The Imperial Klans of America declares, "We are a gathering of White Christian men and women." The National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan website declares that they "reverently acknowledge the majesty and supremacy of Almighty God and recognize his goodness and providence through his Son Jesus Christ. We avow the distinction between the races of mankind as decreed by the Lord our God, and we shall ever be true to the maintenance of His Supremacy."

None of these racist websites mentions "Darwin" or "evolution" as a justification for any of their beliefs. All of them talk about "God" and "The Creator" instead.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,14:34   

Ok, after scuffling through some of the sorriest search engines known to man, I've found a position statement that outlines what WN/White Supremacy's all about. It even includes a cute little poll! I found this bit rather provocative:
                 
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Proposition zero. White Nationalists shall form an ethnic group that behaves as an evolutionary unit.

The word "evolutionary" is no accident, as "JohnJoyTree" explains on the next page:
                 
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Observably, successful groups often have a core of doctrine that is written down. You see it in many successful and expanding group. Islam has the Koran, the jews have the Talmud, etc.

It's the other half of the Collective Evolutionary Strategy - the memetic bit, the bit that reproduces itself by being copied, not by sex.

Like the genes, this bit evolves, even though it's not biological, because the ideas are always being changed and added to, and those modifications that are more attractive and successful tend to spread, if only because the sub-groups that follow them grow and thrive.

This evolution can produce wonderfully succesful elements by the usual process - sheer chance, followed by active selection in response to the environment.

And apparently, 58% don't have a bone to pick with the use of the term, "evolutionary unit". Most of the rest probably don't either.

Stormfront houses the largest collection of white nationalists on the web. Now let's turn our attention to Jared Taylor's American Renaissance. According to the September 1997 issue:
               
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Christianity, Pro and Con

The AR readers' survey, published in the previous issue, reveals considerable disagreement among subscribers about the effects of Christianity on the struggle to preserve Western Civilization. AR itself takes no position on this question, but in this issue two thoughtful readers offer alternate views.


While you're at it, check out the two positions. Here's a sample of the first:
   
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I. How Christianity Harms the Race
   – by Michael W. Masters

“The Roman empire did not die any differently, though, it's true, more slowly, whereas this time we can expect a more sudden conflagration . . . . Christian charity will prove itself powerless. The times will be cruel.”  
– Jean Raspail, introduction to the 1985 edition of The Camp Of The Saints

Christianity, which many believe to be the noblest moral system ever conceived, must now share blame for the dissolution of the West. A faith that once served as an anchor for Western civilization has become a source for the same self-flagellating guilt that typifies liberalism. Today, Christianity's public expression differs only cosmetically from Marxism in its attitudes towards economic redistribution, equality and racial integration.
How has Christianity sunk so low – and our people with it? The answer is that it has subverted inbred traits of altruism that help family and tribe survive, and has transmuted those traits into agents of passivity and surrender. Christianity has universalized altruism, thus stripping us of our defense against multiracialism. Today's Christianity drives us to betray our own interests to whoever asks. At the same time, a preoccupation with eternal reward in the world to come blinds some Christians to the consequences of their actions today.

The other essay, while vigorous, seems a little desperate:
   
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To be sure, it is not given to all men – not even to all good men – to believe. To those men I would say: If you love your race and its heritage, do not mock the Church. Respect it, honor it, and even – yes – join it. As a duty to your ancestors, in solidarity with the ancient traditions of your people, as an act of participation in the faith that suffuses our culture, stand with the believers even if, in your hearts, you do not believe.  

I know that what I propose is difficult, even shocking. It is contrary to today's cult of the individual. It requires that personal qualms be set aside in the name of something greater. But for those who think in terms of race it should not be difficult to understand that there is something greater.

Those of you who were reared in the faith will find unsuspected solace in the familiar music and liturgy of your childhoods. Also, churches are not subject to civil rights laws and many are therefore the only fully segregated public institutions in America. Support the faith, work to restore its dignity and traditions and, eventually, the faith may become your support.

Those who do not believe should remember that it is a matter of pride among the liberals to flaunt their atheism. This is because they see religion as one of those loathsome things from the past, like “racism” and “sexism,” that must be destroyed. It is no coincidence that Communism persecuted the church. Therefore, do not side with the Bolsheviks against your own people. Whether you call yourself a racialist or a conservative or a reactionary, if you join the assault on Christianity you league yourself with those who hate Western man. It is precisely now, when the crisis is worst, that men of the West must march together and be guided by the same light.

Rather than turn their backs on the faith of their fathers, non-believers should ask themselves whether our people can be saved if our faith is not restored. Can it be a coincidence that racial consciousness in the West collapsed at precisely the moment liberalism invaded the Church? There have been many deeply religious European societies that took pride in race and nation. Has there even been a non-religious one that did? Do we even know whether whites can build a racially conscious society on material grounds alone? Those who think of Christianity as an obstacle and a stumbling block should ask themselves whether it may be that Christianity must be cured of liberalism before the West can be cured.

Europe is the faith and the faith Europe. Those who would be faithful to Europe but not to the faith will find that Europe cannot be Europe without the faith. Even if some biologically authentic remnant of the race succeeds in securing a material corner of the earth, it will have established a nation without an identity and a body without a soul?

Here's the AR reader's survey:
               
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Two thirds of respondents believe in God, a figure lower than the national average of well over 90 percent. Fewer than half practice a religion, however. Of those who practice religion, the great majority are Christian, but among the respondents were two Odinists, a Buddhist, a mystic, a Nature-worshiper and a Swedenborgian (!;). Two claim to practice religions of their own. One Jewish subscriber does not believe in God but nevertheless practices Judaism

Since the survey members were older and well-educated, the level of disbelief was not a complete surprise, but it still seems awfully large.

But does Darwinism directly influence racist ideology? Well, here's a list of prominent racist scholars:

Kevin B. McDonald

J. Phillipe Rushton

Chris Brand

Richard Lynn, Hans Eysenck, and all the rest at the Charles Darwin Research Institute

And lest we forget, let's give a hand to the founder of the Eugenics movement, and cousin of Chucky.........

Francis Galton!!

This should give you something to chew on. Time to update that essay, Mr. Flank. By the way, if you like fruit, get a load of them apples!!!!!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,14:48   

Well, I encourage everyone to look at all the neo-Nazi and Klan websites that you can find.  Count how many times they mention "evolution" or "darwin".  Count how many times they mention "god", "jesus christ" or "the creator".

See which number is larger.

(shrug)

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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,16:45   

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Like the genes, this bit evolves, even though it's not biological, because the ideas are always being changed and added to, and those modifications that are more attractive and successful tend to spread, if only because the sub-groups that follow them grow and thrive.

Bill, just because you see the word "evolves," or "evolved,"or "evolution," it doesn't mean the author is talking about the Theory of Evolution.

There are lots of kinds of evolution. I'm sure theologians even talk about the evolution of the Church over time.

Further, just because someone subscribes to the theory of evolution doesn't mean every belief they have, every action they take, is routed in evolutionary theory.

You do have this unfortunate tendency to lump everything of which you disapprove into the category of "evolution," Bill. I wish you'd get over it.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,21:53   

Ghosty,

Who said anything about gay sex or homosexuality? Honestly, the places your "christian" mind goes to!

A crush doesn't have to be sexual, what of platonic love? What of simply admiring and loving someone? Who said anything about you wanting to have sex with Eric? Tsk tsk Ghosty. With your pictures of nice muscley wrestler men and your rapid denial of homosexual desires (despite no such accusation) methinks thou doth protext too much.

As for primary school antics, remind me, who was it that made a silly post about which "Panda's Bum" regular gets the most girls? Who posts comments like "I'll destroy it on wednesday or thursday" and has yet to make ONE SINGLE SOLITARY cogent point or argument?

Not me buster, nor any of the regular posters.

Seems like it's just you Ghosty, out there in the desert of your stupidity.

Like I have said several times, either you are a very effective Loki troll, or a total gibbering moron. The way and things you post allow for no other options. Either way, you are definitely not to be taken seriously, you've yet to say anything actually worth considering beyond "Huh? What the galloping fuck is this moron mangling now? Oh lordy lordy Mary-Lou! It's utter mindfarted google scraped nonsense!".

Have a nice day, do let us know when you have something more meaningful to contribute other than your role of second best online punchbag after Delusional Dave the Flying Fuckwit.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2006,05:16   

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Like I have said several times, either you are a very effective Loki troll, or a total gibbering moron.

Oh I don't know. I've always pictured Mr. Ghost as a bright 14 year-old who, even by adolescent standards, takes himself far, far too seriously.

  
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Ghosty,

Who said anything about gay sex or homosexuality? Honestly, the places your "christian" mind goes to!

A crush doesn't have to be sexual, what of platonic love? What of simply admiring and loving someone? Who said anything about you wanting to have sex with Eric? Tsk tsk Ghosty. With your pictures of nice muscley wrestler men and your rapid denial of homosexual desires (despite no such accusation) methinks thou doth protext too much.


Ummm Louis, I don't mean to question your commitment to liberalism, but you're "outing" yourself as a closet "homophobe". It would be like me teasing an online stranger about his religion or race: "Hey, Louis, are you a Jew? Huh? Huh? No shame if you like bagels. You a Jew? You seem like one. I'm just saying."

So what other minority groups do you secretly dislike? ???  You can tell Uncle Paley; being a conservative, I don't care about political correctness.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2006,05:28   

It's funny that liberals are all homophobes and racists and all that.  I mean, just look at the white supremacists.  They must be liberals.  Nice consistency GoP.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2006,06:12   

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It's funny that liberals are all homophobes and racists and all that.  I mean, just look at the white supremacists.  They must be liberals.  Nice consistency GoP.

Makes sense to me. I've never met a black, Jewish, or gay liberal in my life. Paley's account explains that neatly.

Perhaps we've judged his geocentric model too harshly.

Now if you don't mind, I have to get back to my copy of the Foucault Reader.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2006,07:13   

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It's funny that liberals are all homophobes and racists and all that.  I mean, just look at the white supremacists.  They must be liberals.  Nice consistency GoP.

Now that you've brought it up, I've always found the liberal obsession with hate groups a little weird. I suspect part of the problem is that they see their secret thoughts in hate literature. Look at the condescending way liberals treat blacks; they refuse to hold blacks to the same moral standards as whites (don't believe me? Then show me, for example, the white person who could get away with calling New York "hymietown" and still be treated as a moral figure within liberal circles.) It seems the attitude is, "Well, we don't expect as much from black people." Look at Jared Diamond, who spends a whole book claiming that all people are equal, except whites (who are inferior). Look at where most liberals live. I could go on, but I gotta catch an appointment.
 
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Makes sense to me. I've never met a black, Jewish, or gay liberal in my life. Paley's account explains that neatly.

Perhaps we've judged his geocentric model too harshly.

Now if you don't mind, I have to get back to my copy of the Foucault Reader.


Before you do, would you please attempt to rebut my post on white supremacists? All I got in reply was shrugs and weak handwaving. You have all day, since I'm gone until Wednesday. And if you ever carry out that Jesus vs. Darwin poll on a WN site, let me know.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2006,07:21   

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Before you do, would you please attempt to rebut my post on white supremacists? All I got in reply was shrugs and weak handwaving.

I guess you missed my earlier post: "I did a little bit of poking around on some AN sites, and I found far more references to Christianity than to both Darwin and the theory of evolution combined."

So far, I think even that beats your "I found this post on a message board."

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2006,07:46   

Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ July 11 2006,12:13)
Now that you've brought it up, I've always found the liberal obsession with hate groups a little weird. I suspect part of the problem is that they see their secret thoughts in hate literature. Look at the condescending way liberals treat blacks; they refuse to hold blacks to the same moral standards as whites (don't believe me? Then show me, for example, the white person who could get away with calling New York "hymietown" and still be treated as a moral figure within liberal circles.) It seems the attitude is, "Well, we don't expect as much from black people." Look at Jared Diamond, who spends a whole book claiming that all people are equal, except whites (who are inferior). Look at where most liberals live. I could go on, but I gotta catch an appointment.

Well, that makes perfect sense.  The hate groups who profess how much they hate liberals are really less racist than the liberals who protest them.  And, liberals protest them because they see their secret thoughts in the hate literature.  Plus, liberals condescend toward blacks somehow, although I'm not sure how, especially because they denigrate whites in a book.  The best part is that this comes from a person that earlier in this thread talked about how non-racist he is then followed it up with a generalization about Jews.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2006,07:50   

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Before you do, would you please attempt to rebut my post on white supremacists? All I got in reply was shrugs and weak handwaving. You have all day, since I'm gone until Wednesday. And if you ever carry out that Jesus vs. Darwin poll on a WN site, let me know.


No, you're the one who came up with the stupid idea, so the burden of proof is on you, much like geocentrism, faked moon landings, Hispanics not wanting to work and coming to America to loaf, and Star Wars causing the collapse of Western Civilization. One website that uses the word 'evolution' does not prove your case. You're familiar with white supremacist websites, which I am not, so it should be easy if you're right. Find me several such sites, chosen more or less at random, and find me a plurality of them that mention 'Darwin'. Then find several that mention Jesus/God/Creator, and tell us which is more numerous. If your theory is correct, which I'm sure it is, you should be able to give us 20 links with citations, and I'm sure far more of them will mention the Origin of Species than Jesus, God, or the Creator, or the Bible. You could also answer Improvious's response as well.

Get to it, your whole intellectual credibility here is on the line.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2006,08:02   

Ghosty,

I LOVE your new strategy, it's just SO much fun! I am apparently a homophobe because I made a joke about YOU having a crush on Eric. You are killing me, surely laughing this much is not good for me!

To even begin to be a homophobe I would have to have said something derogatory about homosexuals, or at least implied it. Look back at what I have actually said Ghosty, you'll find no such thing there. Guess why you'll not find it? Because I don't think it. Looks like my liberal gay loving card is still fully marked! #### Ghosty, when ARE you going to try reading for comprehension?

Secondly, I said you had a crush on Eric, I did not say you want to have sex with Eric. See the difference? Forgive me if I doubt it. Of course feel free to make your silly slurs and misquotes as usual, like I have said, you are fooling no one but yourself.

As for your analogy with Jews, ummmmm nope sorry, that dog don't hunt son. Where did I say anything remotely like "Hey Paley, gay are ya? You seem gay, d'ya like ass Paley? Do ya? Huh? Just a sweet little piece of man ass? Nothing wrong with liking ass Paley." Precisely nowhere. Nice try, F- at best.

What I did say was:

a) that you singled Eric out for special praise, and I jokingly mentioned that this was because you have a crush on him. I also explained that crush=/=sexual desire.

b) That you protest far too much at my little joke. Did I hit a nerve Ghosty? Do you really have a crush on Eric? Is he your godless liberal of choice? Note I am NOT saying that you want to have sex with Eric. After all you can love him for his posting talents and wonderous manners in a purely asexual manner, but love it still is. Can you not love another man without it being sexual, Ghosty? I love my father and my brother and some of my male friends, but I don't want to have sex with any of them. Geeeez Ghosty, little girls have crushes on pop stars before their first pube sprouts and they even know what sex is! Trust me, I'm not coy, if I wanted to say you wanted to have sex with Eric, I would have said it!

Mind you that being said, your opposition to homosexual marriage, your biblical pronouncements (do you support Levitican law Ghosty?), your over reaction to and misunderstanding of an innocent comment, your rushed denial of homosexual desires and your regular posting of photos of nice muscley wrestler chaps does rather suggest some psychological traits. Of course it's far from conclusive, but it could be seen to be the symptoms of a flaming closet case. Do try to understand the conditional tense in that sentence Paley. There's a good boy. After all we all know that being homosexual is fine and dandy, it's YOU that thinks it's bad or insulting.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2006,08:22   

Oh and P.S. Please please please please get the following through your thick skull:

1) Not everyone on this board is American or lives in America. We realise it is the centre of the universe to some of you Yanks, but do try to work out that other places exist. Other places that contain about 5.75 billion people who aren't American, and despite what you might think, aren't ruled by America. Guess how I know this? I am British, and we used to think just like you do about Britain, we were wrong then, and the problems of being wrong still linger. We've been there and done it, and most of us have enough sense to be proud of most of it, but not proud of the stupid, jingoistic bits.

2) "Liberal" is not an insult. Nor is American liberalism the sum total of liberal thought. Go East Ghosty, come to Europe, we've had liberalism for centuries (vaguely!;). ####, some of us (me included) even LIKE Americans, that's how tolerant we are!

3) Learn the difference between fiscal conservatism and social conservatism. I am getting tired of the "left vs right" falsely dichotomous bullshit of American political discussion, there are other political axes to move along. We know you're in the top right hand corner next to Hitler, but the diametric opposite of you is NOT in the top left hand corner with Mao. Nor does liberalism equate to socialism or communism. You can be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. You can be liberal and expect people to demonstrate certain responsibilities AND try to get the state to provide a safety net for when things go awry. It really isn't either or Ghosty. Try to think in ways other than "Them and us", it makes life lots nicer.

4) Eric was right, please please please learn that evolutionary biology is not the Source of All Evil (TM patent pending). It's just a description of how the world works in certain circumstances. Please learn that your babble, sorry bible, can be metaphorical and that 21st century theology (####, 17th century theology) doesn't insist on blinked literalism and geocentric bullshit.

5) Stop wasting time with the fucking Nazis and KKK and get on with your geocetric "model". Sinusitis aside, you have been bleating about your forthcoming destruction of evil atheist science and your replacement of it with good and holy god centred Jescience for months on end. Enough already, shit or get off the pot will you?

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2006,13:21   

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I've never met a black, Jewish, or gay liberal in my life.

I know you probably have never met him, but Jesus was an unmarried, dark skinned liberal Jew.  :D

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2006,13:34   

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It's funny that liberals are all homophobes and racists and all that.  I mean, just look at the white supremacists.  They must be liberals.  Nice consistency GoP.



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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2006,13:48   

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Ghosty,

Who said anything about gay sex or homosexuality? Honestly, the places your "christian" mind goes to!

A crush doesn't have to be sexual, what of platonic love? What of simply admiring and loving someone? Who said anything about you wanting to have sex with Eric? Tsk tsk Ghosty. With your pictures of nice muscley wrestler men and your rapid denial of homosexual desires (despite no such accusation) methinks thou doth protext too much.

Well, several studies have shown that people with strong expressed anti-gay views tend to be the most aroused by watching gay porno clips.  I.e., they themselveshave strong homosexual tendencies.

I wonder if Paley falls into that category, as well.  He certainly does seem awfully obsessed with what people do with their penises.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2006,13:51   

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I've never met a black, Jewish, or gay liberal in my life.

I know you probably have never met him, but Jesus was an unmarried, dark skinned liberal Jew.  :D

And there WAS that whole "John the Beloved" thingie . . . .

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2006,19:55   

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I wonder if Paley falls into that category, as well.  He certainly does seem awfully obsessed with what people do with their penises.

Born-again Christians are all completely obsessed with sex, especially gay sex. What's up with that, anyway?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2006,02:14   

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Quote (Louis @ July 11 2006,02:53)
Ghosty,

Who said anything about gay sex or homosexuality? Honestly, the places your "christian" mind goes to!

A crush doesn't have to be sexual, what of platonic love? What of simply admiring and loving someone? Who said anything about you wanting to have sex with Eric? Tsk tsk Ghosty. With your pictures of nice muscley wrestler men and your rapid denial of homosexual desires (despite no such accusation) methinks thou doth protext too much.

Well, several studies have shown that people with strong expressed anti-gay views tend to be the most aroused by watching gay porno clips.  I.e., they themselveshave strong homosexual tendencies.

I wonder if Paley falls into that category, as well.  He certainly does seem awfully obsessed with what people do with their penises.

You are obviously a homophobe.  Any atheist evilutionist liberal who even says anything about gays is really a homophobe who hates gays (and blacks) and is just feeling guilty about his own hate, so he tries to act like he's tolerant.  GoP says so, it must be true.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2006,02:26   

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Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ July 11 2006,18:48)

I wonder if Paley falls into that category, as well.  He certainly does seem awfully obsessed with what people do with their penises.

Born-again Christians are all completely obsessed with sex, especially gay sex. What's up with that, anyway?

It's because fundies have no social skills, which means they never get invited to parties, which means they never get laid, and are therefore resentful of people who DO get laid.

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