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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2016,01:11   

How predictable:
 
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14 kairosfocus November 21, 2016 at 5:18 pm
FG, one of my favourite examples of FSCO/I is an Abu 6500 C3 mag round reel.
But how does this relate to the following sentence
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The ribosome assembling a protein involves coded and non code FSCO/I. KF

To sumerize the logic:
fishing --> protein synthesis --> therfore Jesus

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2016,02:18   

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PaVNovember 22, 2016 at 4:42 am
“A simple Mendelian trait.” Is a ‘transposon’ a “simple Mendelian trait”?

That the transposon is handed down from one generation to the next is almost entirely immaterial. What matters is how it arose.

Now your pet theory, really hypothesis, is RM+NS. I argued that, to the contrary, it was likely some directed effect caused by some kind of environmental cue.

As I mentioned, Barbara McClintock’s work with “jumping genes” (transposons) led her to the conclusion that these transposons were NOT random mutations. IOW, RM+NS is off the table. So, you were wrong. (Point mutations were ruled out as being causitive in this paper)

There is likely some kind of set of internal mechanisms that react to the environment, with the transposons being part of these mechanicsms. That means we’re dealing with an ‘epigenetic’ origin of the mutation.
You are simply wrong here–other than your assertion that changes brought about in one generation are then transmitted to the next. What a surprise assertion that is! Does the transposons have any choice in being handed down? And, if this insertion occurs in an intron, I think terming this a Mendelian trait misses the mark.

As to Haldane, I invite you to look it up yourself if you’re interested. It’s up to you to prove that what I stated is wrong. Otherwise, what I said stands.

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wd400November 22, 2016 at 12:46 pm
You’re wrong about almost everything here, I’m afraid. I don’t know if it’s just your ignorance or motivated reasoning, but neither seems curable…
linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2016,02:21   

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bFastNovember 22, 2016 at 5:31 pm
Joshua G., I can’t wait to dialog on your new blog. This blog is far too quick, in my opinion, at banning consenting voices. Theskepticalzone.com has too many voices, and too harsh of conversation for my taste.

You said, “I intend to use it to explore all aspects of the ID conversation, documenting different perspectives in the debate” This I appreciate as I hold to a view that is not too popular around here — I find the universal common descent argument to be compelling. This, of course, removes the possibility of a literal Adam and Eve, which creates some theological challenges. I know that VJ Torley felt crushed around here for holding to a UCD perspective. I hope that the UCD view doesn’t get lambasted on philosophical/religious grounds on your site.

You also said, “turning a critical eye to both sides”. I’m not quite sure how you can look at both sides of a multi-sided object. I guess that there are two major camps — naturalistic and ID, but there is LOTS of variation within the ID camp, and definitely some within the naturalistic camp.


oh snap!

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2016,02:22   

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rvb8November 22, 2016 at 11:45 pm
A site dedicated purely to ID science? Great! It will be a first.

Too often here we are treated purely to philosophy (done poorly), or opinion.

I’m only worried that you desribe it as dedicated to science and philosophy of science. This gives pause, as I have a sneeking suspicion a steady diet of a purely philosophical bent, will ensue.

Where will you be getting your experimental research from? Do you have scientists collaborating? Will the posts regularly discuss new and unfolding areas of ID research? Are any labs, or teacing institutions involved? How often will you post? You say you have a fair ammount of work ready to present, does any of it explain experiments based on ID theories?

Among other questions I would actually also like to know more about you. If you are an ID advocate, could you describe your qualification for this role?
HAHAHA

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2016,14:32   

Fordgreen
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KF – Thank you for taking the time to reply so extensively. I have a lot to think about (and read), and hopefully in time the penny will drop!


This guy is wonderful. Mullings is too full of himself to notice that the compliment is actually an insult.

Linkypoo

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 24 2016,06:30   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 23 2016,22:32)
Fordgreen
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KF – Thank you for taking the time to reply so extensively. I have a lot to think about (and read), and hopefully in time the penny will drop!


This guy is wonderful. Mullings is too full of himself to notice that the compliment is actually an insult.

Linkypoo

ID can't detect irony.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 24 2016,07:43   

Quote (k.e.. @ Nov. 24 2016,06:30)
 
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Fordgreen
   
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KF – Thank you for taking the time to reply so extensively. I have a lot to think about (and read), and hopefully in time the penny will drop!


This guy is wonderful. Mullings is too full of himself to notice that the compliment is actually an insult.

Linkypoo

ID can't detect irony.

Are you insinuating that KF does not have a magnetic personality?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 24 2016,08:25   

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The alt right, popular media, and Darwin

November 24, 2016 Posted by News under Creationism, Culture, Darwinism, Media
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From Denyse O’Leary (O’Leary for News)
linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 24 2016,08:45   

Quote (k.e.. @ Nov. 24 2016,06:30)
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Fordgreen
 
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KF – Thank you for taking the time to reply so extensively. I have a lot to think about (and read), and hopefully in time the penny will drop!


This guy is wonderful. Mullings is too full of himself to notice that the compliment is actually an insult.

Linkypoo

ID can't detect irony.

How could you when your irony meter exploded back when the only real blogczar was still active at UD?

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 24 2016,11:30   

Quote (KevinB @ Nov. 24 2016,06:43)
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Fordgreen
   
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KF – Thank you for taking the time to reply so extensively. I have a lot to think about (and read), and hopefully in time the penny will drop!


This guy is wonderful. Mullings is too full of himself to notice that the compliment is actually an insult.

Linkypoo

ID can't detect irony.

Are you insinuating that KF does not have a magnetic personality?

Maybe it rusted?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 24 2016,11:56   

Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 24 2016,11:30)
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Fordgreen
     
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KF – Thank you for taking the time to reply so extensively. I have a lot to think about (and read), and hopefully in time the penny will drop!


This guy is wonderful. Mullings is too full of himself to notice that the compliment is actually an insult.

Linkypoo

ID can't detect irony.

Are you insinuating that KF does not have a magnetic personality?

Maybe it rusted?

That will happen when you spend as much time with a fishing reel as Mullings does.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 25 2016,01:19   

Regarding the fact that ID/creationists at UD are re-defining terms all the time and his affection obsession with spinning reels KairosFocus may turn spin doctor into an academic grade soon.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 25 2016,08:15   

Quote (sparc @ Nov. 25 2016,09:19)
Regarding the fact that ID/creationists at UD are re-defining terms all the time and his affection obsession with spinning reels KairosFocus may turn spin doctor into an academic grade soon.

Judging by his subsequent posts, more like whirling in ever decreasing circles.

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"I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit
"ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2016,00:53   

Vjtorley will believe anything.  
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Myths about the Miracle of Calanda Debunked

Often atheists ask Christians why God doesn't heel amputees. ...

He recommends this story here.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2016,02:13   

His evidence is a story from 1640 AD. Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2016,13:04   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 27 2016,22:53)
Vjtorley will believe anything.    
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Myths about the Miracle of Calanda Debunked

Often atheists ask Christians why God doesn't heel amputees. ...

He recommends this story here.

I misread that as the Miracle of Canada, and thought maybe Denyse had written something coherent and interesting.  I should have known better.

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2016,16:21   

Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 28 2016,13:04)
Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 27 2016,22:53)
Vjtorley will believe anything.    
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Myths about the Miracle of Calanda Debunked

Often atheists ask Christians why God doesn't heel amputees. ...

He recommends this story here.

I misread that as the Miracle of Canada, and thought maybe Denyse had written something coherent and interesting.  I should have known better.

POTW?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2016,23:12   

I just love this piece of juxtaposition:
 
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AhmedKiaanNovember 28, 2016 at 9:16 pm

Smart cranks eventually realize their job is to understand how they got it so wrong.

There aren’t many smart cranks. For the most part, they just keep typing, year after year.

Followed immediately by 550 words of copypasta by BA77!

UD link (to a slightly earlier comment by AK)

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We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.”
-PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2016,06:05   

Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 28 2016,13:04)
 
Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 27 2016,22:53)
Vjtorley will believe anything.      
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Myths about the Miracle of Calanda Debunked

Often atheists ask Christians why God doesn't heel amputees. ...

He recommends this story here.

I misread that as the Miracle of Canada, and thought maybe Denyse had written something coherent and interesting.  I should have known better.

No. Her reputation is unSullied.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2016,10:57   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 29 2016,00:21)
Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 28 2016,13:04)
Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 27 2016,22:53)
Vjtorley will believe anything.      
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Myths about the Miracle of Calanda Debunked

Often atheists ask Christians why God doesn't heel amputees. ...

He recommends this story here.

I misread that as the Miracle of Canada, and thought maybe Denyse had written something coherent and interesting.  I should have known better.

POTW?

For both those outcomes I would be praying for divine intervention.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2016,11:52   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Nov. 28 2016,21:12)
I just love this piece of juxtaposition:
   
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AhmedKiaanNovember 28, 2016 at 9:16 pm

Smart cranks eventually realize their job is to understand how they got it so wrong.

There aren’t many smart cranks. For the most part, they just keep typing, year after year.

Followed immediately by 550 words of copypasta by BA77!

UD link (to a slightly earlier comment by AK)

The banhammer looms:
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188 kairosfocus November 29, 2016 at 1:54 am
AK, in another thread, you have accused the President Elect of the USA of treason. You have been challenged to substantiate, to apologise, to withdraw or face consequences. Running off to another thread and pretending that something serious is not on the table that potentially decisively goes to character is NOT an option here at UD. KF

linky

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2016,14:19   

Barry writes:
     
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So, here is my challenge to our opponents:  Do you understand ID well enough to pass the Ideological Turing Test?  If you think you do, prove it by giving a one paragraph summary of ID in the comments below.


FiereceRoller provides an answer:

     
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FierceRollerNovember 29, 2016 at 11:27 am

Intelligent design is the proposition that some features of the natural world, especially of living things, are best explained by the influence of an intelligent agent (in some accounts, the agent in question is supernatural).
I find it ironic that the same person who once called me a ‘fascist apologist’ for calling him out on a lie (http://wp.me/p7l4Un-rZ) now thinks it unfair to misrepresent an opponent’s position.


Barry deletes FiereceRoller's answer to his challenge.

Is Barry an idiot?  ???

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2016,17:27   

Quote (Nils Ruhr @ Nov. 29 2016,14:19)
Barry writes:
       
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So, here is my challenge to our opponents:  Do you understand ID well enough to pass the Ideological Turing Test?  If you think you do, prove it by giving a one paragraph summary of ID in the comments below.


FiereceRoller provides an answer:

       
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FierceRollerNovember 29, 2016 at 11:27 am

Intelligent design is the proposition that some features of the natural world, especially of living things, are best explained by the influence of an intelligent agent (in some accounts, the agent in question is supernatural).
I find it ironic that the same person who once called me a ‘fascist apologist’ for calling him out on a lie (http://wp.me/p7l4Un-rZ) now thinks it unfair to misrepresent an opponent’s position.


Barry deletes FiereceRoller's answer to his challenge.

Is Barry an idiot?  ???

Was that a rhetorical question?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2016,18:17   

Quote (Nils Ruhr @ Nov. 29 2016,14:19)
Barry writes:
       
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So, here is my challenge to our opponents:  Do you understand ID well enough to pass the Ideological Turing Test?  If you think you do, prove it by giving a one paragraph summary of ID in the comments below.


FiereceRoller provides an answer:

       
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FierceRollerNovember 29, 2016 at 11:27 am

Intelligent design is the proposition that some features of the natural world, especially of living things, are best explained by the influence of an intelligent agent (in some accounts, the agent in question is supernatural).
I find it ironic that the same person who once called me a ‘fascist apologist’ for calling him out on a lie (http://wp.me/p7l4Un-rZ) now thinks it unfair to misrepresent an opponent’s position.


Barry deletes FiereceRoller's answer to his challenge.

Is Barry an idiot?  ???

And then follows up with this.
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Barry ArringtonNovember 29, 2016 at 5:56 pm
MatSpirit, WD400, Seversky, daveS

We know you are lurking around. Why don’t you give it a go?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2016,19:40   

I like how Barry excuses UDists from doing this sort of test, implying that they as have had a lifetime of "materialist evolutionary theory" crammed down their throats they know it all.
bFast takes this ball and runs with it, perhaps a little too far...
 
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bFastNovember 29, 2016 at 7:00 pm

Barry, I love this test. I like that it is independant of any ideology. I do believe that the inverse of your proposed test, the ability of us IDers to pass the neo-Darwin test, is just as essential to this discussion as the test you propose. I bet, however, that a majority of us could pass with flying colors. The biggest giveaway would be that we know more about the science behind the theory than most Darwinists, and it’d show thorough.
(my emphasis)
...meaning they would actually fail the test.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2016,22:18   

Test? There's a test? But I didn't study!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2016,04:17   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Nov. 30 2016,03:40)
I like how Barry excuses UDists from doing this sort of test, implying that they as have had a lifetime of "materialist evolutionary theory" crammed down their throats they know it all.
bFast takes this ball and runs with it, perhaps a little too far...
 
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bFastNovember 29, 2016 at 7:00 pm

Barry, I love this test. I like that it is independant of any ideology. I do believe that the inverse of your proposed test, the ability of us IDers to pass the neo-Darwin test, is just as essential to this discussion as the test you propose. I bet, however, that a majority of us could pass with flying colors. The biggest giveaway would be that we know more about the science behind the theory than most Darwinists, and it’d show thorough.
(my emphasis)
...meaning they would actually fail the test.

Holy Goebels gerbils

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2016,12:14   

Quote (Nils Ruhr @ Nov. 29 2016,14:19)
Barry deletes FiereceRoller's answer to his challenge.

Is Barry an idiot?  ???

I used to think that the answer to that question was, "Obviously yes!"

But then I noticed that he's moved Salvador, Mung, walto, fifthmonarchyman and a host of other annoying IDiots from Uncommon Descent to The Skeptical Zone and I have to wonder...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2016,14:24   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 30 2016,12:14)
Quote (Nils Ruhr @ Nov. 29 2016,14:19)
Barry deletes FiereceRoller's answer to his challenge.

Is Barry an idiot?  ???

I used to think that the answer to that question was, "Obviously yes!"

But then I noticed that he's moved Salvador, Mung, walto, fifthmonarchyman and a host of other annoying IDiots from Uncommon Descent to The Skeptical Zone and I have to wonder...

You forgot about William J. Murray and V. J. Torley.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2016,15:35   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 30 2016,13:14)
Quote (Nils Ruhr @ Nov. 29 2016,14:19)
Barry deletes FiereceRoller's answer to his challenge.

Is Barry an idiot?  ???

I used to think that the answer to that question was, "Obviously yes!"

But then I noticed that he's moved Salvador, Mung, walto, fifthmonarchyman and a host of other annoying IDiots from Uncommon Descent to The Skeptical Zone and I have to wonder...

I've been hanging out at that place lately, and it's actually entertaining. And as my new sock is being hunted by KF, I might find myself there more than UD.

   
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