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Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,02:37   

Hi Kristine,
I'm glad your event was a success; did the local media cover it?

And *ahem* may I enquire about the fate of another article?  Methinks it was to be available for the hoi polloi sooner or later.  
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 22 2011,16:22)
Whoo-hoo! My article is finally indexed online! Need subscription, though. :) (Second one down.)


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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,10:53   

You guys may have seen this already (I'm slow sometimes), but it's a fere e-book called "The Authoritarians" and talks about the psychology of the 'right-wing authoritarians' (and includes a very specific definition of 'right-wing' and 'authoritarian'.

It's very enlightening and equally applicable to politics, religion, ID, global warming denial, etc.  

The author is a psychologist and has many examples of case studies.  I especially liked the 'global game'.

Anyway, here's a link.  

The Authoritarians

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,11:47   

I guess some/most of you have seen the Heartland Institute's latest piece of barrel scraping, where they point out all the bad people who believe that global warming is anthropogenic (was this campaign thought up by BarryA?)



Anyway, I just wanted to point out that the picture seems ripe for photoshopping. Only I don't have the skills.

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NormOlsen



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,11:54   

Quote (OgreMkV @ May 04 2012,10:53)
You guys may have seen this already (I'm slow sometimes), but it's a fere e-book called "The Authoritarians" and talks about the psychology of the 'right-wing authoritarians' (and includes a very specific definition of 'right-wing' and 'authoritarian'.

It's very enlightening and equally applicable to politics, religion, ID, global warming denial, etc.  

The author is a psychologist and has many examples of case studies.  I especially liked the 'global game'.

Anyway, here's a link.  

The Authoritarians

Looks good.  Point of Inquiry has an interesting discussion with Jonathan Weiler on a the same topic:

Authoritarians vs Reality

  
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,12:58   

Quote (NormOlsen @ May 04 2012,11:54)
Quote (OgreMkV @ May 04 2012,10:53)
You guys may have seen this already (I'm slow sometimes), but it's a fere e-book called "The Authoritarians" and talks about the psychology of the 'right-wing authoritarians' (and includes a very specific definition of 'right-wing' and 'authoritarian'.

It's very enlightening and equally applicable to politics, religion, ID, global warming denial, etc.  

The author is a psychologist and has many examples of case studies.  I especially liked the 'global game'.

Anyway, here's a link.  

The Authoritarians

Looks good.  Point of Inquiry has an interesting discussion with Jonathan Weiler on a the same topic:

Authoritarians vs Reality

Interesting.  Someone mentions the book I'm reading in the comments section.

This book explains JoeG, BA77, KF, and even Dembski perfectly.

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Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,14:44   

You want a photoshopped Unabomber billboard? Okey-dokey…



This didn't require Photoshop skills, so much as type-matching skills. If your machine happens to have both Photoshop and the Arial Black font installed on it, feel free to grab the 'Shop file for a template—and have fun!

  
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,17:44   

Quote (OgreMkV @ May 04 2012,11:53)
It's very enlightening and equally applicable to politics, religion, ID, global warming denial, etc.

Of course it is. In the vast majority of cases, they're all the same people.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,18:31   

Y'know, every time I visit kwok.com, I swear I'm not going to put myself through the bullshit that is the comments section, but every. single. time....

ugh.

I hate myself.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,18:36   

An obituary.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,18:52   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 04 2012,19:36)
An obituary.

And thus passes one of the most legendary internet cranks of all time. It's sad, not just that he was a crank, but he was probably the most entertaining (and frankly lovable in his caustic crankitude) crank ever. Despite everything, the universe is a lesser place for his loss. I am honestly sad about this news.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Badger3k



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,18:52   

Quote (Lou FCD @ May 04 2012,18:31)
Y'know, every time I visit kwok.com, I swear I'm not going to put myself through the bullshit that is the comments section, but every. single. time....

ugh.

I hate myself.

I gave up when Kwok started arguing that racism does't exist outside of rural arkansas (etc), and Matzke argued for truth by popularity.  About the same time that several others gave up.  Haven't been back there since, not even to see what idiotic replies I got.  Are there any real choice bits o'tard?  Has Kwok removed himself from Matzke's backside yet?

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noncarborundum



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,19:29   

Quote (Cubist @ May 04 2012,14:44)
You want a photoshopped Unabomber billboard? Okey-dokey…



This didn't require Photoshop skills, so much as type-matching skills. If your machine happens to have both Photoshop and the Arial Black font installed on it, feel free to grab the 'Shop file for a template—and have fun!



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NormOlsen



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,19:30   

Quote (Lou FCD @ May 04 2012,18:52)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 04 2012,19:36)
An obituary.

And thus passes one of the most legendary internet cranks of all time. It's sad, not just that he was a crank, but he was probably the most entertaining (and frankly lovable in his caustic crankitude) crank ever. Despite everything, the universe is a lesser place for his loss. I am honestly sad about this news.

It is sad.  His polemics on UD, back in it's heyday, were legendary, and his signature sign-off "I love it so!" always made me chuckle, if only because it was so fucking crazy.  Sorry to see him go.

  
Badger3k



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,19:34   

Posted to the science break thread, but I figured this had to get (maybe) a little wider posting:

Sharks with fricken lasers!

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,19:36   

Quote (Lou FCD @ May 04 2012,23:52)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 04 2012,19:36)
An obituary.

And thus passes one of the most legendary internet cranks of all time. It's sad, not just that he was a crank, but he was probably the most entertaining (and frankly lovable in his caustic crankitude) crank ever. Despite everything, the universe is a lesser place for his loss. I am honestly sad about this news.

Seconded.

Anger, yes. Hate, never.

The JADs and whoevers of this world are opponents in a debate. Not loathed scum, whatever rhetoric and banter gets chucked about...and I've chucked a bit, especially at JAD! JAD was a human being with family, friends, other loved ones. As sad and painful as his death sounds, I hope it was less tragic and painful than that, and in the end that he knew some peace. We can all only wish for a death in the company of our loved ones and with minimal pain. We're not owed any more than that.

I'll raise a glass to JAD and hope his loved ones are all as okay as can be.

Louis

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,19:37   

Quote (Bob O'H @ May 04 2012,16:47)
I guess some/most of you have seen the Heartland Institute's latest piece of barrel scraping, where they point out all the bad people who believe that global warming is anthropogenic (was this campaign thought up by BarryA?)



Anyway, I just wanted to point out that the picture seems ripe for photoshopping. Only I don't have the skills.

Ahhhh the same liars that brought you "tobacco = healthy" bring you "global warming = fiction". Denialism: same tricks, different topics.

Fuck them! This needs a round mocking. Photoshoppers to your mice!

Louis

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,19:48   

Quote (NormOlsen @ May 04 2012,20:30)
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 04 2012,18:52)
   
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 04 2012,19:36)
An obituary.

And thus passes one of the most legendary internet cranks of all time. It's sad, not just that he was a crank, but he was probably the most entertaining (and frankly lovable in his caustic crankitude) crank ever. Despite everything, the universe is a lesser place for his loss. I am honestly sad about this news.

It is sad.  His polemics on UD, back in it's heyday, were legendary, and his signature sign-off "I love it so!" always made me chuckle, if only because it was so fucking crazy.  Sorry to see him go.

Y'know, you have to give him this, and it puts him leagues above any of the IDC bunch and the UDidiots: he was honest.

Bug-fuck nuts? Yes. True.
Deluded? Yes. Absolutely.
Cranky son-of-a-bitch? Yep. That's a fair cop.

But that man believed every word he said. And that's worth something.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,19:52   

Quote (Louis @ May 04 2012,20:36)
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 04 2012,23:52)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 04 2012,19:36)
An obituary.

And thus passes one of the most legendary internet cranks of all time. It's sad, not just that he was a crank, but he was probably the most entertaining (and frankly lovable in his caustic crankitude) crank ever. Despite everything, the universe is a lesser place for his loss. I am honestly sad about this news.

Seconded.

Anger, yes. Hate, never.

The JADs and whoevers of this world are opponents in a debate. Not loathed scum, whatever rhetoric and banter gets chucked about...and I've chucked a bit, especially at JAD! JAD was a human being with family, friends, other loved ones. As sad and painful as his death sounds, I hope it was less tragic and painful than that, and in the end that he knew some peace. We can all only wish for a death in the company of our loved ones and with minimal pain. We're not owed any more than that.

I'll raise a glass to JAD and hope his loved ones are all as okay as can be.

Louis

Hear, hear. I'll raise a glass to 'im.

ETA: J.A.ck D.aniels seems appropriate.

Edited by Lou FCD on May 04 2012,20:57

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,20:04   

Quote (Lou FCD @ May 04 2012,19:52)
Quote (Louis @ May 04 2012,20:36)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 04 2012,23:52)
   
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 04 2012,19:36)
An obituary.

And thus passes one of the most legendary internet cranks of all time. It's sad, not just that he was a crank, but he was probably the most entertaining (and frankly lovable in his caustic crankitude) crank ever. Despite everything, the universe is a lesser place for his loss. I am honestly sad about this news.

Seconded.

Anger, yes. Hate, never.

The JADs and whoevers of this world are opponents in a debate. Not loathed scum, whatever rhetoric and banter gets chucked about...and I've chucked a bit, especially at JAD! JAD was a human being with family, friends, other loved ones. As sad and painful as his death sounds, I hope it was less tragic and painful than that, and in the end that he knew some peace. We can all only wish for a death in the company of our loved ones and with minimal pain. We're not owed any more than that.

I'll raise a glass to JAD and hope his loved ones are all as okay as can be.

Louis

Hear, hear. I'll raise a glass to 'im.

ETA: J.A.ck D.aniels seems appropriate.

If there is a designer, and things work that way, I hope he welcomes John.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,20:07   

John* Daniels?

Sadly no longer. I've polished off a bottle of Sailor Jerry's tonight and I'm now on my third bottle of claret. If this is drinking to forget it's not fucking working. I can still remember! The anger, she still bubbles, señor!

I will say this: I hate management. Even though I'm part of it. The way this country and various forces are eviscerating the pharmaceutical industry here is unforgivable. Fuck the profit motive in the ear. Twice. With bells on. For some things it is only minimally applicable. It's not like we've "cured disease" and don't need novel chemical entities any more. Fuckwits and shortsighted profiteers the bunch of them. BAH! I am exceedingly happy that we have very restrictive gun laws here in the UK or else I may become mildly naughty with a rifle and a crowd of Big Pharma execs.**

Louis

* Thank you Al Pacino in Scent of a Woman.

** I kid, I kid. I wouldn't waste the ammo. And I'm a pacifist. Or a piss artist. One of the two. Perhaps both. Bah! Who knows?

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,20:11   

Also, Boris got re-elected as London Mayor, proving unarguably that my fellow citizens are largely fuckwits fooled by floppy hair and a posh accent. The man if a turd biscuit of the first water and went to a public school that I personally beat at rugby.

There can be no higher condemnation.

Louis

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,20:16   

he was one of my favorites



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2012,21:08   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ May 04 2012,02:37)
Hi Kristine,
I'm glad your event was a success; did the local media cover it?

And *ahem* may I enquire about the fate of another article?  Methinks it was to be available for the hoi polloi sooner or later.  
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 22 2011,16:22)
Whoo-hoo! My article is finally indexed online! Need subscription, though. :) (Second one down.)

The news and community centers picked up our press release. Lynn Fellman's presentation was partially filled so that we can produce a short video about the program (I took stills of the other events), and I already have plans for next year.

What was the other article?

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Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2012,03:21   

Have tweaked the template to make it easier for people to create parodies using different photos. Paste whichever photo you like into a fresh layer behind the billboard-related layers; edit the text of the photo caption and the billboard proper; and you're good to go.
The typeface used on the billboard is not Arial. Rather, it's Helvetica. The current template has two layer-sets (one of them Arial Bold & Black, the other Helvetica Bold & Black) for the billboard message & photo caption. If you think Arial is a good-enough match to the billboard typeface, or if you just don't have Helvetica on your machine, go ahead and use the Arial layer-set; otherwise, I recommend the Helvetica layer-set.

  
Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2012,04:11   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 05 2012,01:36)
An obituary.

Since his last blogpost, I was kind of expecting such an outcome. But not this soon.

John, you were a big pain in the ass at times, I will not deny you that. But circumstances were not easy on you either. I hope you at least enjoyed your last weeks among your familly and loved ones, and I offer to them all my sympathies.

I'll raise one to JAD.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2012,08:16   

Back when John A. Davison was proving himself incapable of following topicality in comments on PT, the group was moving toward a ban. My position was that we ought to continue to allow him comment privilege in some form. I suggested giving him his own thread. Davison's general incompetence with things to do with the Internet apparently prevented him from understanding that even when his thread no longer appeared in the blog's first page of results, it was still just as accessible and available for adding comments as ever. Davison's raging rant when it rolled off the PT front page earned him a ban from another PT'er. (Once banned, though, I did enforce that policy at PT and ATBC.)

The sentence in the obituary extolling Davison as a seeker of truth is a fitting bit of irony for the situation. There is the matter of Davison's continued (and now life-long) error in taking me to be the architect of his banning at PT. Davison didn't ask about it, he just made an assumption and went hog wild with it. So far as I can tell, Davison's standout characteristic was an unyielding advocacy for his intellectual precommitments, however unsupported by evidence they might have been. Is that near enough to seeking truth to count? I don't think so.

This is what I had to say about Davison's "manifesto" back in 2000.

 
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It is commonly held that speciation processes are largely, if not totally, independent of natural selection. In this Davison is simply part of the crowd. I recently heard a talk given by Kurt Benirschke which attributed most speciational changes in mammals to chromosomal fusion events. So, when properly delimited, saying that much of the speciation we see in mammals (or perhaps even vertebrate animals) is due to some sort of chromosomal rearrangement is plausible, since that is what the karyotype data seems to show.

In looking at Davison's "manifesto", I personally found some reasons for concern about the validity of various points. Since I have long heard similar claims about chromosomal rearrangement and speciation, the claimed novelty of Davison's hypothesis seems more hype than substance. There seems to be a lot of textual interpretation within the work which purports significance in the real world. Quotations seem to be treated much as "proof-texts" are in apologetics. Many of his claims about what "Darwinism" must entail are arguable, and some are simply wrong. I think that in Davison's particular case, he might hold a correct position with regard to speciation events being often due to chromosomal rearrangement without having grounded his other corollaries in much besides his personal prejudices, buttressed with some quotes from others having congruent prejudices.

In general, when evaluating non-mainstream claims, it is good to keep one's skepticism sharp. The taint of self-aggrandizement is a clue that should not be overlooked. Something of a field guide for such behavior in physics can be applied with a few changes to biological topics.

Wesley


Unfortunately, there's never been cause to revise that assessment in the time since then.

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2012,08:58   

He even honored my by responding, IIRC by email, subject AGW. I didn't feel like replying, didn't want to engage in an argument with him. And yes, I agree with the opinions expressed.

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Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2012,10:10   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 05 2012,03:16)
Back when John A. Davison was proving himself incapable of following topicality in comments on PT, the group was moving toward a ban. My position was that we ought to continue to allow him comment privilege in some form. I suggested giving him his own thread. Davison's general incompetence with things to do with the Internet apparently prevented him from understanding that even when his thread no longer appeared in the blog's first page of results, it was still just as accessible and available for adding comments as ever. Davison's raging rant when it rolled off the PT front page earned him a ban from another PT'er. (Once banned, though, I did enforce that policy at PT and ATBC.)

The sentence in the obituary extolling Davison as a seeker of truth is a fitting bit of irony for the situation. There is the matter of Davison's continued (and now life-long) error in taking me to be the architect of his banning at PT. Davison didn't ask about it, he just made an assumption and went hog wild with it. So far as I can tell, Davison's standout characteristic was an unyielding advocacy for his intellectual precommitments, however unsupported by evidence they might have been. Is that near enough to seeking truth to count? I don't think so.

This is what I had to say about Davison's "manifesto" back in 2000.

   
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It is commonly held that speciation processes are largely, if not totally, independent of natural selection. In this Davison is simply part of the crowd. I recently heard a talk given by Kurt Benirschke which attributed most speciational changes in mammals to chromosomal fusion events. So, when properly delimited, saying that much of the speciation we see in mammals (or perhaps even vertebrate animals) is due to some sort of chromosomal rearrangement is plausible, since that is what the karyotype data seems to show.

In looking at Davison's "manifesto", I personally found some reasons for concern about the validity of various points. Since I have long heard similar claims about chromosomal rearrangement and speciation, the claimed novelty of Davison's hypothesis seems more hype than substance. There seems to be a lot of textual interpretation within the work which purports significance in the real world. Quotations seem to be treated much as "proof-texts" are in apologetics. Many of his claims about what "Darwinism" must entail are arguable, and some are simply wrong. I think that in Davison's particular case, he might hold a correct position with regard to speciation events being often due to chromosomal rearrangement without having grounded his other corollaries in much besides his personal prejudices, buttressed with some quotes from others having congruent prejudices.

In general, when evaluating non-mainstream claims, it is good to keep one's skepticism sharp. The taint of self-aggrandizement is a clue that should not be overlooked. Something of a field guide for such behavior in physics can be applied with a few changes to biological topics.

Wesley


Unfortunately, there's never been cause to revise that assessment in the time since then.

Oops

I don't read the bathroom wall that often and commented in the last JAD thread I could find. A bit hard on John's lack of internet savvy, Wesley. I found that one of his most endearing traits. Can't argue with your very fair assessment of his "manifesto".

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2012,10:48   

JAD excoriated others vehemently for what was, at basis, his own ignorance of the Internet, so I'm not inclined to mince words about it.

I realize that some here are taking the decadent view of someone's worth being pretty much solely evaluated on entertainment potential. That's not where I'm coming from.

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Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2012,12:27   

Quote (Kristine @ May 04 2012,21:08)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ May 04 2012,02:37)
Hi Kristine,
I'm glad your event was a success; did the local media cover it?

And *ahem* may I enquire about the fate of another article?  Methinks it was to be available for the hoi polloi sooner or later.    
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 22 2011,16:22)
Whoo-hoo! My article is finally indexed online! Need subscription, though. :) (Second one down.)

The news and community centers picked up our press release. Lynn Fellman's presentation was partially filled so that we can produce a short video about the program (I took stills of the other events), and I already have plans for next year.

What was the other article?

The article is about conspiracy theories, iirc.
And now I'm looking forward to the video, too.

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