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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,14:18   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 12 2009,19:46)
Oh, can I join the Louis Fan Club, too?

Do I get a poster?  Decoder ring?  Secret handshake?  Discount on lime Jell-O?

Is there a degrading and humiliating initiation?  (hope, hope!)



OK, I'm bored.

No poster.
No decoder ring.
No secret handshake.
No discounted lime jello.

Degrading and humiliating initiation ritual?

Why step this way, sir! Arden and Deadman (plus squirrels) are greased and ready.

Louis

Tee hee, what Doc Bill doesn't know is there's no Louis fan club, the whole idea is fucking ridiculous. However Arden and Deadman have been getting bored with each other and need a new chum now that 'Ras has his "social disease". YouTube is standing by!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,15:05   

what social disease?

you mean 'socially contracted', don't you?

I told your mother not to take off that paper bag.  dammit

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,15:26   

Pinnochio's idea of a sociable disease:




Termites!!


:)      :p

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,16:43   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 12 2009,21:05)
what social disease?

you mean 'socially contracted', don't you?

I told your mother not to take off that paper bag.  dammit

I told you to double bag. It's not my fault you don't take good advice.

Louis

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RFJE



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,22:03   

Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 12 2009,10:07)
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RFJE, in all seriousness, I think it's extremely dangerous for your sister to defy medical advice simply to test her own faith this way. Doesn't your Bible teach you not to put your God to the test? You believe in Jesus; even he would not leap from the mountain with the faith that angels would rescue him.

Anyway, it's my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong, people) that lactose intolerance is due to a dominant gene, so there is no "illness" about not being able to drink milk any more than having brown eyes is an "illness."

Hi Kristine,
First of all I wanted to apologize to you for my initial approach.  I was new and could have been more gentle.

Second, I agree that it would be dangerous if she was  ordered not to.  I don't think she had lactose intolerance, the MD told her she was allergic to milk.  She couldn't drink  acidophilous milk either.  I did not go with her to to the doctor (it was when she was 12 and she is now 46) and this is what she always told us the doctor said.

In any case, I don't think she saw it as putting God to the test.  She had a relationship with God and that was between her God.  In any case, she has been drinking milk for years with never a problem.

I have never known any Christians who would advocate such foolishness as to not seek medical help, or to follow a doctor's orders.  Anyone who would not bring their sick child to a doctor in the name of their faith, and then that child is hurt or dies, should be prosecuted.  There are extremists in every branch of life.

As for the case in Africa, you have to understand that they are a more spiritually based culture.  The idea that there is no spirit world to them to mock, just like atheists here mock Christians.  And I am talking about predominantly the village culture, (which is where I worked mainly) not urban upper class.

Some good missionary friends of ours were Presbyterian--great folks!  Presbyterians are not closed to miracles, but are very conservative in their views towards that subject.  They believe that was mainly confined to the apostles. But they had been in Africa for 10 years when we came.  They told us  they were praying with a man to receive Christ one time and the fetish rings(worn for spiritual protection) on his hands suddenly flew off his hands.  

If you read about the evangelistic crusades in Africa there are many miracles reported by people who are listening to the preaching--Africans in the bush--not a TV evangelist telecast.  

Finally, one last thought, this is getting long.  Jesus couldn't do any miracles in Nazareth, his childhood home because of their unbelief. (Matt. 14:53-58)  I think America is like Nazareth.  Many people are offended at anything that has anything to do with God (v.57) just like they were at Him.



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RFJE



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,22:08   

Left out some words up there....The idea that there is no spirit world would have caused them (Africans)to mock, just as atheists mock Christians here (in the states).

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,22:31   

RFJE, athiests don't usually mock anybody.  Christians have (historically) tended towards intolerance.  Your posts confirm this.  

Oh, and another thing. . .Atheism doesn't lead to moral anarchy (if such a thing is possible).  Atheists just don't accept, at face value, the codified moral judgements of a group of self-interested humans speaking in the guise of worthiness and piety.  Which is why atheists don't run around murdering other people and yet don't get all bent out of shape when the neighbor lady down the block gets an abortion.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,03:04   

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Rather than initially deal with everything you bring up, I'm going to try to do something different from normal and get to the root of your issues. I'd be very grateful of you could answer a few questions for me:

1) For what purpose have you decided to post at AtBC? Are you on a conversion mission or have you come to discuss things in a more adult manner?

2) Precisely what "pernicious beliefs" do "we" spread through the schools and media?

3) Why are those "pernicious beliefs" pernicious? I.e. what damage do they do and how are they evil?

4) What about those "pernicious beliefs" makes them beliefs? I.e. presumably there are aspects of the real world upon which you and I could agree (more on this in a moment). The word belief at least implies that little or no reference to available evidence is made.

5) Is there any piece of well supported, evidence based science which you think we could agree upon? I'm trying to find some utterly uncontroversial, evidence based common ground  we can build a discussion from. At the moment, I think you're talking at people and just starting a nonsensical flame war.


Hi RFJE,

Any hope of having these answered?

Cheers

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,03:06   

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http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/    
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A simple experiment

For this experiment, we need to find a deserving person who has had both of his legs amputated. For example, find a sincere, devout veteran of the Iraqi war, or a person who was involved in a tragic automobile accident.

Now create a prayer circle like the one created for Jeanna Giese. The job of this prayer circle is simple: pray to God to restore the amputated legs of this deserving person. I do not mean to pray for a team of renowned surgeons to somehow graft the legs of a cadaver onto the soldier, nor for a team of renowned scientists to craft mechanical legs for him. Pray that God spontaneously and miraculously restores the soldier's legs overnight, in the same way that God spontaneously and miraculously cured Jeanna Giese and Marilyn Hickey's mother.

If possible, get millions of people all over the planet to join the prayer circle and pray their most fervent prayers. Get millions of people praying in unison for a single miracle for this one deserving amputee. Then stand back and watch.

What is going to happen? Jesus clearly says that if you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. He does not say it once -- he says it many times in many ways in the Bible.

And yet, even with millions of people praying, nothing will happen.

Ever see any limbs regrow in any of these villages?

No?

Ever wonder why?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,05:08   

Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 12 2009,23:03)
First of all I wanted to apologize to you for my initial approach.  I was new and could have been more gentle.

To late for hearts and flowers, ReFred. You've already indelibly established yourself as self-righteous ignoranus.  

(And you're still new.)

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,05:22   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 13 2009,11:08)
Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 12 2009,23:03)
First of all I wanted to apologize to you for my initial approach.  I was new and could have been more gentle.

To late for hearts and flowers, ReFred. You've already indelibly established yourself as self-righteous ignoranus.  

(And you're still new.)

Surely no man can walk so long in the dark that they cannot be welcomed into the light?

;-)

Louis

P.S. I kill me sometimes, write that down. I love it so etc.

ETA: P.P.S. I also love RFJE's use of the word "gentle". The roughness, lack of gentleness, was not an issue. The blinding ignorance, lack of humility, rampant sanctimonious arrogance and repetition of fallacious bullshit was the issue. Be a rough as you like, just have the intellectual muscle to back it up.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,05:24   

OT: is it just me, or is there something wrong with the bathroom wall/my browser?

Something like 4 or 5 posts just disapeared, and the whole thread seems to be moving in odd ways...

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,05:25   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Feb. 13 2009,11:24)
OT: is it just me, or is there something wrong with the bathroom wall/my browser?

Something like 4 or 5 posts just disapeared, and the whole thread seems to be moving in odd ways...

Mine just did it too. The page turn bug went big willy style! Apparently adding 30 to the last number in the url turns the page. It worked for me btw. The Wall usually moves in mysterious ways!

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,05:27   

Ok Louis, thanks, I will try...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,05:31   

I was flushing an older thread, which added comments early on to the BW. I've rebuilt the BW thread, so the pages should be back to normal.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,05:33   

It's working again now :)

Back to topic:

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ETA: P.P.S. I also love RFJE's use of the word "gentle". The roughness, lack of gentleness, was not an issue. The blinding ignorance, lack of humility, rampant sanctimonious arrogance and repetition of fallacious bullshit was the issue. Be a rough as you like, just have the intellectual muscle to back it up.


Louis' right. Lookit: WE SHARE A COMMON ANCESTER WITH TEH MONKEYS, DUMBASS!!!!!1111!!one

See? That's not very "gentle", but if I am at least asked to bask it up, I can...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,08:10   

I, too, was struck by the use of the word 'gentle'. Gentle is how a professional boxer should be in a sparring bout with a 6-year-old. RFJE was more like an an angry 6-year-old thinking he could floor a professional boxer (no, I am not suggesting he was angry).

RFJE: you should have given some thought to the possibility that your knowledge is not complete and that professional biologists are likely to have more knowledge on the subject than you do. Your use of the word 'gentle' tells me that you are still not ready to accept this. You may be a power in the missionary community, but when it comes to biology, and particularly evolution, you must learn some humility. Something that comes across strongly in your comments is that although you use the word you have probably never really experienced it.

Biologists are extremely likely to have already thought of, considered and rejected any objections you are going to think of, not because they are evil or stupid, but because of the evidence that they are aware of and that you are not. Sure, it is always possible for an outsider to see something that has been missed but it is very unlikely.

So let's hear no more about being 'gentle' (I could beat you guys up if I really wanted to') but show some evidence of a willingness to accept the possibility that you might be wrong.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,09:01   

Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 12 2009,22:03)
As for the case in Africa, you have to understand that they are a more spiritually based culture.  The idea that there is no spirit world to them to mock, just like atheists here mock Christians.  
Some good missionary friends of ours were Presbyterian--great folks!  Presbyterians are not closed to miracles, but are very conservative in their views towards that subject.  They believe that was mainly confined to the apostles. But they had been in Africa for 10 years when we came.  They told us  they were praying with a man to receive Christ one time and the fetish rings(worn for spiritual protection) on his hands suddenly flew off his hands.  

The implication of your cute little story is that the indigenous beliefs were evil...the " native fetishes" flying off a man being prayed over -- surely this is the power of God overcoming evil, right?

I'm sorely tempted to say something very harsh here, but I won't. I'll just point out that such attitudes towards "the other" have resulted in the destruction of more native cultures than I can count.

If a technologically advanced group called your Christianity a  blood-cult evil for the outright imagery of human sacrifice and cannibalism, for instance...I'm sure that would meet your approval. Anecdotes about crucifixes flying because they required the worship of a sacrificed dead man tortured on sticks... that would obviously please you, right? You'd buy that in a second, wouldn't you?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,10:44   

RFJE,
I'm not going to question your personal experiences.  I had a friend a number of years back who was a pastor.  He made regular trips to India and would tell stories similar to yours.  I don't know how true they were, but even if I saw things like that myself, or even if I prayed and were healed myself, it wouldn't alter my understanding of the evolution of life on earth or the history of the universe.

Whether or not you believe in God, the devil, angels, etc has no bearing on the fact that the earth is billions of years old, life on earth has existed for a significant portion of that time, and over time has changed.  The ever growing weight of scientific evidence from astronomy, physics, geology, chemistry, biology all points to this same conclusion.

So, your stories about what God has done in your life and the lives of those around you are nice, but have nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution and the science that supports it.  If you want to talk about science, please stick to the science.  We all have stories we could tell.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,10:57   

Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 12 2009,23:03)
Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 12 2009,10:07)
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RFJE, in all seriousness, I think it's extremely dangerous for your sister to defy medical advice simply to test her own faith this way. Doesn't your Bible teach you not to put your God to the test? You believe in Jesus; even he would not leap from the mountain with the faith that angels would rescue him.

Anyway, it's my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong, people) that lactose intolerance is due to a dominant gene, so there is no "illness" about not being able to drink milk any more than having brown eyes is an "illness."

Hi Kristine,
First of all I wanted to apologize to you for my initial approach.  I was new and could have been more gentle.

Second, I agree that it would be dangerous if she was  ordered not to.  I don't think she had lactose intolerance, the MD told her she was allergic to milk.  She couldn't drink  acidophilous milk either.  I did not go with her to to the doctor (it was when she was 12 and she is now 46) and this is what she always told us the doctor said.

In any case, I don't think she saw it as putting God to the test.  She had a relationship with God and that was between her God.  In any case, she has been drinking milk for years with never a problem.

I have never known any Christians who would advocate such foolishness as to not seek medical help, or to follow a doctor's orders.  Anyone who would not bring their sick child to a doctor in the name of their faith, and then that child is hurt or dies, should be prosecuted.  There are extremists in every branch of life.

As for the case in Africa, you have to understand that they are a more spiritually based culture.  The idea that there is no spirit world to them to mock, just like atheists here mock Christians.  And I am talking about predominantly the village culture, (which is where I worked mainly) not urban upper class.

Some good missionary friends of ours were Presbyterian--great folks!  Presbyterians are not closed to miracles, but are very conservative in their views towards that subject.  They believe that was mainly confined to the apostles. But they had been in Africa for 10 years when we came.  They told us  they were praying with a man to receive Christ one time and the fetish rings(worn for spiritual protection) on his hands suddenly flew off his hands.  

If you read about the evangelistic crusades in Africa there are many miracles reported by people who are listening to the preaching--Africans in the bush--not a TV evangelist telecast.  

Finally, one last thought, this is getting long.  Jesus couldn't do any miracles in Nazareth, his childhood home because of their unbelief. (Matt. 14:53-58)  I think America is like Nazareth.  Many people are offended at anything that has anything to do with God (v.57) just like they were at Him.



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Spiritual isn't the right word. Superstitious might fit better. And missionaries have been taking advantage of them for ages. Do you think it an accomplishment to convert these people, when they also believe the catholic church when they tell them condoms are evil and cause aids, and that the little girl down the street is a witch? Do you feel proud, every time they kill one?

They don't need preaching, they need education. They need proper schools, and teachers. But you aren't interested in helping people - you just want more souls.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,11:42   

Quote (ppb @ Feb. 13 2009,16:44)
[SNIP]

We all have stories we could tell.

This one time...

{looks around}

Is there anyone of a nervous disposition here?

Actually, forget it. I think that gagging order still applies.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,12:02   

Your stories remind me of "Utrota varenda jävel" by Sven Lindqvist. Available in an english translation named "Exterminate All the Brutes". You should not feel flattered by this.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,12:38   

Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 13 2009,09:01)
 If a technologically advanced group called your Christianity a  blood-cult evil for the outright imagery of human sacrifice and cannibalism, for instance...I'm sure that would meet your approval. Anecdotes about crucifixes flying because they required the worship of a sacrificed dead man tortured on sticks... that would obviously please you, right? You'd buy that in a second, wouldn't you?

Who was it who suggested that if Jesus had lived in the 20th century, Christians would all be wearing necklaces with little electric chairs hanging from them?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,14:30   

Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 13 2009,12:38)
Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 13 2009,09:01)
 If a technologically advanced group called your Christianity a  blood-cult evil for the outright imagery of human sacrifice and cannibalism, for instance...I'm sure that would meet your approval. Anecdotes about crucifixes flying because they required the worship of a sacrificed dead man tortured on sticks... that would obviously please you, right? You'd buy that in a second, wouldn't you?

Who was it who suggested that if Jesus had lived in the 20th century, Christians would all be wearing necklaces with little electric chairs hanging from them?

"If Jesus had been killed twenty years ago, Catholic school children would be wearing little electric chairs around their necks instead of crosses." ~ Lenny Bruce

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,15:35   

Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 13 2009,14:30)
 
Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 13 2009,12:38)
 
Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 13 2009,09:01)
 If a technologically advanced group called your Christianity a  blood-cult evil for the outright imagery of human sacrifice and cannibalism, for instance...I'm sure that would meet your approval. Anecdotes about crucifixes flying because they required the worship of a sacrificed dead man tortured on sticks... that would obviously please you, right? You'd buy that in a second, wouldn't you?

Who was it who suggested that if Jesus had lived in the 20th century, Christians would all be wearing necklaces with little electric chairs hanging from them?

"If Jesus had been killed twenty years ago, Catholic school children would be wearing little electric chairs around their necks instead of crosses." ~ Lenny Bruce

The question was partly rhetorical.  I think Bruce may have missed something, though; Catholics wear not just crosses, but crucifixes.  That would mean that if Jesus had been executed recently, the little electric chairs sported by Catholic schoolkids would have little fried guys in them.

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"The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,15:39   

Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 13 2009,13:38)
Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 13 2009,09:01)
 If a technologically advanced group called your Christianity a  blood-cult evil for the outright imagery of human sacrifice and cannibalism, for instance...I'm sure that would meet your approval. Anecdotes about crucifixes flying because they required the worship of a sacrificed dead man tortured on sticks... that would obviously please you, right? You'd buy that in a second, wouldn't you?

Who was it who suggested that if Jesus had lived in the 20th century, Christians would all be wearing necklaces with little electric chairs hanging from them?

Bill Hicks said something related: (paraphrased)

"Walking up to Jackie Kennedy and showing her the rifle you wear around your neck."

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,17:59   

Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 12 2009,20:03)

In any case, I don't think she saw it as putting God to the test.  She had a relationship with God and that was between her God.  In any case, she has been drinking milk for years with never a problem.

Have you ever wondered why your God would cure your sisters milk allergy, yet not cure a single* rabies victim after the onset of neurological symptoms ? Of all the thousands of people who die horrible deaths every year, are none more deserving of help than allowing your sister to drink milk ?
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As for the case in Africa, you have to understand that they are a more spiritually based culture.  The idea that there is no spirit world to them to mock, just like atheists here mock Christians.  And I am talking about predominantly the village culture, (which is where I worked mainly) not urban upper class.

If you accept these anecdotal claims of prayer based miracles, why would you not also accept the same peoples claims of witchcraft ? For example, do you believe that wizards can steal ones penis by magic ? How about the evil eye ?

Have you ever noticed that frequency of supernatural events has a direct correlation to the anecdotal nature of the evidence and the prevalence of superstition in the population ?

* In the interest of accuracy, there are a handful of reports of people surviving clinical rabies, e.g. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5350a1.htm However, in comparison to the millions of victims in human history, it is very a small number indeed.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,18:02   

Quote (Reed @ Feb. 13 2009,18:59)
Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 12 2009,20:03)

In any case, I don't think she saw it as putting God to the test.  She had a relationship with God and that was between her God.  In any case, she has been drinking milk for years with never a problem.

Have you ever wondered why your God would cure your sisters milk allergy, yet not cure a single* rabies victim after the onset of neurological symptoms ? Of all the thousands of people who die horrible deaths every year, are none more deserving of help than allowing your sister to drink milk ?
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As for the case in Africa, you have to understand that they are a more spiritually based culture.  The idea that there is no spirit world to them to mock, just like atheists here mock Christians.  And I am talking about predominantly the village culture, (which is where I worked mainly) not urban upper class.

If you accept these anecdotal claims of prayer based miracles, why would you not also accept the same peoples claims of witchcraft ? For example, do you believe that wizards can steal ones penis by magic ? How about the evil eye ?

Have you ever noticed that frequency of supernatural events has a direct correlation to the anecdotal nature of the evidence and the prevalence of superstition in the population ?

* In the interest of accuracy, there are a handful of reports of people surviving clinical rabies, e.g. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5350a1.htm However, in comparison to the millions of victims in human history, it is very a small number indeed.

And don't forget pre-antibiotic tetanus.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,18:41   

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* In the interest of accuracy, there are a handful of reports of people surviving clinical rabies
Of course at the time they were praying for death, and God healed them just to piss 'em off.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2009,21:15   

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I, too, was struck by the use of the word 'gentle'. Gentle is how a professional boxer should be in a sparring bout with a 6-year-old. RFJE was more like an an angry 6-year-old thinking he could floor a professional boxer (no, I am not suggesting he was angry).

RFJE: you should have given some thought to the possibility that your knowledge is not complete and that professional biologists are likely to have more knowledge on the subject than you do. Your use of the word 'gentle' tells me that you are still not ready to accept this. You may be a power in the missionary community, but when it comes to biology, and particularly evolution, you must learn some humility. Something that comes across strongly in your comments is that although you use the word you have probably never really experienced it.

Biologists are extremely likely to have already thought of, considered and rejected any objections you are going to think of, not because they are evil or stupid, but because of the evidence that they are aware of and that you are not. Sure, it is always possible for an outsider to see something that has been missed but it is very unlikely.

So let's hear no more about being 'gentle' (I could beat you guys up if I really wanted to') but show some evidence of a willingness to accept the possibility that you might be wrong.

Richard,
First of all, I think I have apologized twice now.  Once to everyone, once to Kristeen.  Perhaps you did not see them.  When I used the term gentle, I was speaking of the way I entered into this website.  I had never been here before.  I did not realize this website was full of biologists and chemists and MDs.

I fully respect knowledge.  I do not think scientists or biologists, or MD's are evil (by the way, my doctor is a Christian, and you see it). Their knowledge has brought alot of good things into the world.  

Nor do I think I can beat any of them up figuratively of course.  If I have given you that impression I apologize.  Of course I do believe I can offer evidence that the natural world is not all there is.  I can not prove it, and from your point of view it is subjective, and you do not know me personally, so there is a natural wall built against anything I say.  I realize this is normal, and I am use to it.

I also realize I'm on your territory.  This is an evolutionary website.  I am viewed as a hostile trespasser by some I realize.  A religious fanatic and kook by others. So I do thank those who are over those website that they have not kicked me off.

Lastly, this has been good for me, though the name calling, and ridicule is never fun.  But I have learned from it.  Actually, right now I'm reading about the Hadean geologic age from evolutionary perspective.  I plan to study the entire geologic time scale and the lunar also.

  
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