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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 29 2008,23:13   

MINOR MELTDOWN WARNING!

Watch closely developments on this thread and save it often: Melkikh’s Improbability of Darwinism and deterministic evolution model

DLH digs out a whacky paper that bashes evolution and suggests that an electron is "a quantum computer with many degrees of freedom".  This is crackpottery of the finest kind published in a very silly journal Entropy (go ahead and browse its papers).  

I predict another 404.  The question is how long will it take teh clueless UD gang to figure it out?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 29 2008,23:21   

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Man it's good to have you back, Arden.

Either that, or it's good to have you from behind.

...either way.

Reach-arounds for everybody! :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 29 2008,23:24   

6 comments so far, including
 
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DLH:
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Entropy, an International and Interdisciplinary Journal of Entropy and Information Studies. ISSN 1099-4300, CODEN: ENTRFG, © 1999-2007 by MDPI. It is a peer-reviewed scientific journal, and it is published online quarterly at [URL=http://www.mdpi.org/entropy/.


This “conclusion . . . that species could not be formed due to random mutations” is officially published in a “peer reviewed” scientific journal!


 
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As far as entropy being a “peer-reviewed journal” goes, well, it certainly isn’t “one of the major peer-reviewed journals”. Davison has a number of articles published in an obscure “peer-reviewed journal” also. This article is about 4 years old. Though the author claims that the chance of a new species evolving via RM+NS is vastly less than the UPB, he has hardly shaken the world. I wasn’t exactly able to follow his argument, but I don’t think that the scientific establishment is that far out. I actually do not believe that speciation is beyond the ability of RV+NS.


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 29 2008,23:55   

Editor-in-Chief Shu-Kun Lin explains what Entropy is about:
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Entropy has been launched as a scientific journal to provide an advanced forum for the community of entropy and information researchers.

There are many types of entropy reported in the scientific literature [1]. The great diversity in the concept and definition may cause tremendous problems. My own humble suggestion is the following regarding the main two kinds of entropy: 1. Any information-theoretic entropy (Shannon's entropy [2], H) should be defined in a way that its relation with information is clear. 2. Any theories regarding thermodynamic entropy (classical entropy, S, or the entropy of Clausius, Gibbs and Boltzmann and Plank) should conform with the second law of thermodynamics.


Teh community of entropy - I like the sound of it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2008,05:22   

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Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 29 2008,17:41)
This is how DaveTard wants others to see him:

We have already had this discussion, Arden Chucklehead.

(You can remember an ATBC conversation from over a year ago. Therefore you have no life. Even Louis's cross-dressing and goat-bothering is more respectable than that.)

Well, I suppose if I had 4724 posts on this board (at the rate of a bit over 6 per day), I'd probably have a harder time remembering them, too.  Besides, Sargeant Rock vs Sargeant Snorkel is reasonably memorable.  That said, remembering it wasn't all that noteworthy. Now sorting through the thread to find it again?  That is the indication of having no life.
 
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Yeah, but the first time I didn't post a picture of R. Lee Ermey, or use the phrase 'beta male'. This makes my post fresh and new.

I suppose that would be true if it wasn't totally derivative of Lenny's response.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2008,05:32   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 29 2008,23:21)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 29 2008,22:51)
Man it's good to have you back, Arden.

Either that, or it's good to have you from behind.

...either way.

Reach-arounds for everybody! :)

I tease you, Arden, but I just want you to know I thought you should have gotten a Best Supporting Actor Oscar nomination for your work in "Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle."

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2008,06:33   

Other conclusions of Alexey V. Melkik:

 
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It was shown that an organism cannot adapt itself to unforeseen circumstances, solve new tasks, update its knowledge base, or learn upon presentation of an unknown object. All behavior programs of the man and animals are congenital and cannot be acquired from learning. A conditioned reflex can be modeled as a series of consecutive measurements, which is intended to reduce the error during decision making. In this case, an organism does not develop new programs.


Reference

This does describe some people I can think of....

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2008,07:26   

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 29 2008,23:13)
DLH digs out a whacky paper that bashes evolution and suggests that an electron is "a quantum computer with many degrees of freedom".  This is crackpottery of the finest kind published in a very silly journal Entropy (go ahead and browse its papers).

It still amuses me that they think that a paper bashing "Darwinism" is the same thing as a paper that provides support for ID. It seems like no matter how many times you say to an IDiot that they need positive evidence for an ID-generated hypothesis, they still haven't figured out that negative evidence against their favorite whipping boy is not the same thing.

Must be related to the whole dualism thing that they seem to be so good at...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2008,08:18   

I think the obliviated hidden disappeared Folkface.  His secret knock ain't working no more.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2008,08:38   

Test Your Irony Meters Here

Gil finds a report of a study where the victimsparticipants were given the same wine, but told it had a different price, and were then asked to rate it.  Of course, they rated the more expensive wine as better.  Gil says...
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In the ID versus Darwinism/materialism debate, who are the most likely victims of this expectations phenomenon? I vote for the Darwinists, because as evidence for design continues to mount at an ever-quickening pace, they seem most determined to prop up their expectations with ever-more desperate storytelling, conjecture, and appeals to the statistically impossible, to denounce their challengers with ever-more vitriol, and to attempt to silence them with ever-more coercive tactics.


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2008,09:12   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 01 2008,09:38)
Test Your Irony Meters Here

Gil finds a report of a study where the victimsparticipants were given the same wine, but told it had a different price, and were then asked to rate it.  Of course, they rated the more expensive wine as better.  Gil says...
     
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In the ID versus Darwinism/materialism debate, who are the most likely victims of this expectations phenomenon? I vote for the Darwinists, because as evidence for design continues to mount at an ever-quickening pace, they seem most determined to prop up their expectations with ever-more desperate storytelling, conjecture, and appeals to the statistically impossible, to denounce their challengers with ever-more vitriol, and to attempt to silence them with ever-more coercive tactics.

Gil:

"How might expectations influence scientists when they look at evidence, or look for evidence?"

Sarcasm isn't appropriate here. Gil is reporting an important insight, one that has the potential to revolutionize research in many disciplines. We need to get his insight in front of others. Empires of dogma are about to fall.

But it needs a name. I propose "experimenter bias." Both concise and descriptive. I think it has legs.  

I'm working on a book that illustrates the operation of "experimenter bias" in the domain of research into racial differences. My working title: The Mismeasure of Man (catchy, eh?). Nothing will be the same when Gil and I are done with this. In the not-distant future, discourse in science that betrays ignorance of "experimenter bias" and the empirical demonstration of same will become, rightfully, the object of merciless ridicule.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2008,11:51   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 01 2008,05:22)
 
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 29 2008,22:14)
   
Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 29 2008,21:48)
       
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 29 2008,17:41)
This is how DaveTard wants others to see him:

We have already had this discussion, Arden Chucklehead.

(You can remember an ATBC conversation from over a year ago. Therefore you have no life. Even Louis's cross-dressing and goat-bothering is more respectable than that.)

Well, I suppose if I had 4724 posts on this board (at the rate of a bit over 6 per day), I'd probably have a harder time remembering them, too.  Besides, Sargeant Rock vs Sargeant Snorkel is reasonably memorable.  That said, remembering it wasn't all that noteworthy. Now sorting through the thread to find it again?  That is the indication of having no life.
   
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Yeah, but the first time I didn't post a picture of R. Lee Ermey, or use the phrase 'beta male'. This makes my post fresh and new.

I suppose that would be true if it wasn't totally derivative of Lenny's response.

Yeesh, Carlson. Next time I need some obscure Davison quote from April 2006, now I know who to ask.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2008,12:00   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 01 2008,11:51)
Yeesh, Carlson. Next time I need some obscure Davison quote from April 2006, now I know who to ask.

Sock it to me!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2008,17:10   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 01 2008,10:12)
I'm working on a book that illustrates the operation of "experimenter bias" in the domain of research into racial differences. My working title: The Mismeasure of Man (catchy, eh?). Nothing will be the same when Gil and I are done with this. In the not-distant future, discourse in science that betrays ignorance of "experimenter bias" and the empirical demonstration of same will become, rightfully, the object of merciless ridicule.


Isn't experimenter bias already a known phenomenon and hence the reason why double blind experiments were devised?  Peer review also exists to curb bias by having results analyzed by outsiders without vested interests.

(I'm assuming that you were 100% serious throughout the whole of your comment.  You did say sarcasm was not appropriate so no facetiousness allowed.)

So the non-science world may finally be learning that bias is present in all people and must be vigorously rooted out.  'Bout time.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2008,17:19   

Quote (Paul Flocken @ Mar. 01 2008,18:10)
 
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 01 2008,10:12)
I'm working on a book that illustrates the operation of "experimenter bias" in the domain of research into racial differences. My working title: The Mismeasure of Man (catchy, eh?). Nothing will be the same when Gil and I are done with this. In the not-distant future, discourse in science that betrays ignorance of "experimenter bias" and the empirical demonstration of same will become, rightfully, the object of merciless ridicule.


Isn't experimenter bias already a known phenomenon and hence the reason why double blind experiments were devised?  Peer review also exists to curb bias by having results analyzed by outsiders without vested interests.

(I'm assuming that you were 100% serious throughout the whole of your comment.  You did say sarcasm was not appropriate so no facetiousness allowed.)

So the non-science world may finally be learning that bias is present in all people and must be vigorously rooted out.  'Bout time.

I guess I was too subtle. The entire post is facetious and sarcastic, because, as you rightly note, experimenter bias is a long and well-known phenomenon that did indeed motivate the invention of double blind procedures. The Mismeasure of Man was Stephen Jay Gould's 1996 examination of the phenomenon in the context of race.  

Gil thinks he has just discovered it. What an idiot. And I am hopeful that he will become, rightfully, the object of merciless ridicule - beginning with my post. Get busy!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2008,18:55   

Finally, someone smells a rat:
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PaV
03/01/2008
7:39 pm

Something is wrong here. This paper is no more than somebody’s musings. It is not rigorous in its mathematical reasoning at all.

I’m on vacation. I hope someone takes the time to investigate here. Be careful. It’s important to know where this paper comes from.


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2008,19:02   

MINOR MELTDOWN IN PROGRESS!
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Do a Google search. There’s a Ural State Technical University, but not a Ural State Technical Institute. I think this is someone’s elaborate scam. In the paper cited, he talks about extablishing a maximum by evaluating a partial derivative. But he doesn’t carry out the differentiation. His treatment of the Schrodinger equation is absolutely trite, and amounts to gibberish. I’d stop this thread until you can confirm the existence of a magazine called Entropy. I looked at another supposed paper in Volume 6, and it is again just amateurish dribble. So caution is in order here.


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2008,20:03   

gpuccio is always good for a quote:
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Moreover, many of those concepts are just myths or overrated realities.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2008,21:20   

DaveTard's fantasy about a replacement for Dawkins at Oxford is not an Inuit.
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Ann Coulter

Why?

Hope!

But Gods iPod provides a welcome dose of reality.
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I used to like Ann Coulter.
Then she opened her mouth.


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2008,00:52   

That entire thread is gold. I don't think anyone got the "for public understanding" memo, given that they're proposing people not known for popular science or explanations, seemingly on the basis of their religious beliefs. That's leaving aside Ann Coulter and the ISCID/DI fellows, and the "boo, Dawkins!" asides.

My personal nomination is Richard Feynman. All we have to do is raise him from the dead, first.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2008,07:08   

I think DS might be having some sort of brain-fart

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Shu-Kun Lin’s statement about interchanging thermal order for other kinds of order being non-sensicial described my immediate reaction to the “canned” response from Darwinists that the earth is an open system. That it’s nonsense to willy-nilly exchange thermal order from the sun into chemical order in living systems should be obvious. It isn’t obvious to them and it’s frustrating when careful explanation fails to get the concept across.


a) non-sensicial? Is that some sort of Japanese wine?
b) DS' "I violate SLOT" comment obviously still burns him up.
SLOT

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2008,07:32   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 01 2008,17:19)
Quote (Paul Flocken @ Mar. 01 2008,18:10)
   
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 01 2008,10:12)
I'm working on a book that illustrates the operation of "experimenter bias" in the domain of research into racial differences. My working title: The Mismeasure of Man (catchy, eh?). Nothing will be the same when Gil and I are done with this. In the not-distant future, discourse in science that betrays ignorance of "experimenter bias" and the empirical demonstration of same will become, rightfully, the object of merciless ridicule.


Isn't experimenter bias already a known phenomenon and hence the reason why double blind experiments were devised?  Peer review also exists to curb bias by having results analyzed by outsiders without vested interests.

(I'm assuming that you were 100% serious throughout the whole of your comment.  You did say sarcasm was not appropriate so no facetiousness allowed.)

So the non-science world may finally be learning that bias is present in all people and must be vigorously rooted out.  'Bout time.

I guess I was too subtle. The entire post is facetious and sarcastic, because, as you rightly note, experimenter bias is a long and well-known phenomenon that did indeed motivate the invention of double blind procedures. The Mismeasure of Man was Stephen Jay Gould's 1996 examination of the phenomenon in the context of race.  

Gil thinks he has just discovered it. What an idiot. And I am hopeful that he will become, rightfully, the object of merciless ridicule - beginning with my post. Get busy!

Gil and I ........twice? (not to mention biwhtvr dishorder) .....and too subtle?

n nvr bn sn i t sm rm tghtr......

OK .....own up now RB, Gill is your skpppt ...am i right?

Once Dt gets ur number Izzzz..D predicts...

GILL U R A DOUBLE HOMO N U DO NUANCE...YOU'RE OUTA HERE.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2008,07:38   

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My personal nomination is Richard Feynman. All we have to do is raise him from the dead, first


WHAT! Over my dead body he will! While crying baby jesus still spins in his grave ...nobody is bumping me off the front of the line...nobody!

Well he will have get on the end of the queue with every other godman.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2008,10:12   

Gerry Rzeppa says
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But, incidently, what can we really expect from a University Chair that was financed by a third-rate Microsoft programmer who (as evidenced in his infamous “Hungarian Notation”) couldn’t rightly distinguish between a data name and a data type!

A couple of questions came, totally at random, into my head.  Who is bankrolling/working at the Biologic Institute?  And who was trying to pay Dr. Dr. D.'s post-doc salary at Baylor the year before last?

Hmmm.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2008,11:44   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 01 2008,21:20)
DaveTard's fantasy about a replacement for Dawkins at Oxford is not an Inuit.    
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Ann Coulter

Why?

Hope!

That's just DaveTard's oafish way of taking a swipe at Obama. Expect more of it this fall.

 
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This is very pleasing news. It was frustrating to see Dawkins carry with him the authority of Oxford. I hope that he has chosen to leave because Oxford has pressured him.




 
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I really would rather not see an IDer like Dembski, or Behe in the position either.


Then I have good news for you.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2008,12:21   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 02 2008,07:08)
I think DS might be having some sort of brain-fart

   
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Shu-Kun Lin’s statement about interchanging thermal order for other kinds of order being non-sensicial described my immediate reaction to the “canned” response from Darwinists that the earth is an open system. That it’s nonsense to willy-nilly exchange thermal order from the sun into chemical order in living systems should be obvious. It isn’t obvious to them and it’s frustrating when careful explanation fails to get the concept across.


a) non-sensicial? Is that some sort of Japanese wine?
b) DS' "I violate SLOT" comment obviously still burns him up.
SLOT

Someone should tell the tomatoes so they stop relying on photosynthesis.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2008,12:33   

I'd like to think that Zephyr is an enthusiastic sockpuppet, but he's probably sincere:

 
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Dawkins will just be replaced by some other confused egghead selling scientism as science. To think that Oxford was fed up with him is so naive. Dawkins embodies Oxford, Oxford like all Western universites, elite or not, is wedded to the dogma and cant of scientific materialism. Only evangelical atheists need apply for his vacant position, or should apply for it for that matter.


If he is sincere, he certainly embodies the 'whiny loser' mentality of ID/C very vividly.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2008,18:49   

Quote (George @ Mar. 02 2008,12:21)
 
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 02 2008,07:08)
I think DS might be having some sort of brain-fart

     
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Shu-Kun Lin’s statement about interchanging thermal order for other kinds of order being non-sensicial described my immediate reaction to the “canned” response from Darwinists that the earth is an open system. That it’s nonsense to willy-nilly exchange thermal order from the sun into chemical order in living systems should be obvious. It isn’t obvious to them and it’s frustrating when careful explanation fails to get the concept across.


a) non-sensicial? Is that some sort of Japanese wine?
b) DS' "I violate SLOT" comment obviously still burns him up.
SLOT

Someone should tell the tomatoes so they stop relying on photosynthesis.



The Tard is powerful in this one . . .

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2008,19:11   

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Jane Harris-Zsovan: Darwin’s theory of natural selection requires offspring to diverge from a common ancestor to create new species.

Not quite right. New species may be created by divergence, but populations aren't required to diverge.

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Jane Harris-Zsovan: Not only is there evidence that natural selection oscillates over time, but some hybrids, in both plant and animal kingdoms, are better suited to their environments than their parents.

If only Darwin had known about hybrids!



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Darwin: degree of fertility, both of first crosses and of hybrids, graduates from zero to perfect fertility... Finally, then, the facts briefly given in this chapter do not seem to me opposed to, but even rather to support the view, that there is no fundamental distinction between species and varieties.


In fact, that there is no clear dividing line between species and varieties is important evidence cited by Darwin supporting evolutionary divergence. If species were immutable, as previously held, then evolution of new species could not occur.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2008,07:39   

DS leaves the tent open for creationists
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Consider that the true age of the universe could be anywhere from 6000 years to an infinite number of years.

YEC

DS, do you honestly think the universe might turn out to be 6000 years old?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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