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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,07:06   

I have to get to my day job. Living in poverty is hard work.

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,07:07   

But please study the replies on the previous page.

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,07:11   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,08:07)
But please study the replies on the previous page.

You first.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,07:14   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,08:06)
I have to get to my day job. Living in poverty is hard work.

Riiiiiiight.  Because of course you're the only one here who is in poverty.  You're the only one who has to 'work hard' for a living.
And that makes you special.  No one has ever suffered the outrageous fortune that continues to oppress you.
You poor poor pitiful thing..

  
Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,08:12   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,07:06)
I have to get to my day job. Living in poverty is hard work.

Yes, living in poverty is hard work. If Gaulin is, indeed, among the depressingly large percentage of Americans who are living in poverty, one can only wonder why he would devote so much of his limited time and meager resources to his chimerical not-a-theory of 'Intelligent Design', given the universal lack of favorable response it has always received in every venue he has presented it in. Perhaps Gaulin appreciates a challenge, and the mere fact of living in poverty is not difficult enough for him?

Or perhaps Gaulin is not living in poverty, and he is attempting to play on people's sympathy. I dunno.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,15:55   

Quote (Cubist @ Oct. 26 2016,08:12)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,07:06)
I have to get to my day job. Living in poverty is hard work.

Yes, living in poverty is hard work. If Gaulin is, indeed, among the depressingly large percentage of Americans who are living in poverty, one can only wonder why he would devote so much of his limited time and meager resources to his chimerical not-a-theory of 'Intelligent Design', given the universal lack of favorable response it has always received in every venue he has presented it in. Perhaps Gaulin appreciates a challenge, and the mere fact of living in poverty is not difficult enough for him?

Or perhaps Gaulin is not living in poverty, and he is attempting to play on people's sympathy. I dunno.

The theory is doing far better with experimenters than Avida and such ever did. But since people like that do not hang around shitholes like this you would not know about that.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,16:09   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,15:55)
Quote (Cubist @ Oct. 26 2016,08:12)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,07:06)
I have to get to my day job. Living in poverty is hard work.

Yes, living in poverty is hard work. If Gaulin is, indeed, among the depressingly large percentage of Americans who are living in poverty, one can only wonder why he would devote so much of his limited time and meager resources to his chimerical not-a-theory of 'Intelligent Design', given the universal lack of favorable response it has always received in every venue he has presented it in. Perhaps Gaulin appreciates a challenge, and the mere fact of living in poverty is not difficult enough for him?

Or perhaps Gaulin is not living in poverty, and he is attempting to play on people's sympathy. I dunno.

The theory is doing far better with experimenters than Avida and such ever did. But since people like that do not hang around shitholes like this you would not know about that.

Name two.

Or have them contact our little shithole. (The place you spend all your poverty stricken time.)  Perhaps they can explain what everyone else on the internet has missed for all these years.

Cue Gary's excuses in 3...2...1...

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,16:10   

It is though tragic how scientific models and theories that do not serve the vested interests of hidebound academics and their creationist strawmen have to be ignored, or trashed, and the author's life destroyed.

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,16:12   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 26 2016,16:09)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,15:55)
Quote (Cubist @ Oct. 26 2016,08:12)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,07:06)
I have to get to my day job. Living in poverty is hard work.

Yes, living in poverty is hard work. If Gaulin is, indeed, among the depressingly large percentage of Americans who are living in poverty, one can only wonder why he would devote so much of his limited time and meager resources to his chimerical not-a-theory of 'Intelligent Design', given the universal lack of favorable response it has always received in every venue he has presented it in. Perhaps Gaulin appreciates a challenge, and the mere fact of living in poverty is not difficult enough for him?

Or perhaps Gaulin is not living in poverty, and he is attempting to play on people's sympathy. I dunno.

The theory is doing far better with experimenters than Avida and such ever did. But since people like that do not hang around shitholes like this you would not know about that.

Name two.

Or have them contact our little shithole. (The place you spend all your poverty stricken time.)  Perhaps they can explain what everyone else on the internet has missed for all these years.

Cue Gary's excuses in 3...2...1...

I am not going to let you and the other assholes in this forum trash them too.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,16:59   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,16:12)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 26 2016,16:09)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,15:55)
 
Quote (Cubist @ Oct. 26 2016,08:12)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,07:06)
I have to get to my day job. Living in poverty is hard work.

Yes, living in poverty is hard work. If Gaulin is, indeed, among the depressingly large percentage of Americans who are living in poverty, one can only wonder why he would devote so much of his limited time and meager resources to his chimerical not-a-theory of 'Intelligent Design', given the universal lack of favorable response it has always received in every venue he has presented it in. Perhaps Gaulin appreciates a challenge, and the mere fact of living in poverty is not difficult enough for him?

Or perhaps Gaulin is not living in poverty, and he is attempting to play on people's sympathy. I dunno.

The theory is doing far better with experimenters than Avida and such ever did. But since people like that do not hang around shitholes like this you would not know about that.

Name two.

Or have them contact our little shithole. (The place you spend all your poverty stricken time.)  Perhaps they can explain what everyone else on the internet has missed for all these years.

Cue Gary's excuses in 3...2...1...

I am not going to let you and the other assholes in this forum trash them too.

So you really expect us to believe you that more "experimenters" use your little toy than ever used Avida?  On just your say so?

Would you believe us if we said the opposite?  Would you believe us if we documented just the researchers who published papers using "Avida and such"?  I'll bet you wouldn't.  Even though our host alone outnumbers your "experimenters".

Be honest, Gary, there's no reason we shouldn't think you're lying.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,17:08   

Quote (NoName @ Oct. 26 2016,05:14)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,08:06)
I have to get to my day job. Living in poverty is hard work.

Riiiiiiight.  Because of course you're the only one here who is in poverty.  You're the only one who has to 'work hard' for a living.
And that makes you special.  No one has ever suffered the outrageous fortune that continues to oppress you.
You poor poor pitiful thing..

He probably is the only one here who's in poverty.  I can't be the only one getting monthly six-figure checks from the International Conspiracy To Suppress Gary Gaulin's Theory.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,17:21   

I bet even Gary's imaginary experimenters are saying his theory is bollocks.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,17:21   

It's sad that a person who is stuck in the middle of the extremism has to live like they are at war.

All major science agencies and publishers made it clear in their public policy that they want nothing to do with anything that resembles Intelligent Design, while the publishers for the ID movement cannot promote scientific theories. If you give the defamatory nitwits in a forum like this too much information then they'll start harassing your friends. If you don't make your friends a target then they throw stones at you instead.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,18:24   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,15:21)
It's sad that a person who is stuck in the middle of the extremism has to live like they are at war.

All major science agencies and publishers made it clear in their public policy that they want nothing to do with anything that resembles Intelligent Design, while the publishers for the ID movement cannot promote scientific theories. If you give the defamatory nitwits in a forum like this too much information then they'll start harassing your friends. If you don't make your friends a target then they throw stones at you instead.

It's sad that a person who is not in the middle of of anything relevant has to live like they are the Queen Of Drama.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,18:33   

Imaginary experimenters?  Wasn't that by ARS?  :O  

Drama queen was Heart, they had a whole album about that.  ;)

Goo Goo, he's all about the music - theoretically.

Whatta hoot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:)  :)  :)  :)  :)

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,19:55   

If you must know, then my wife bounced our mortgage payment which caused the system to start penalizing me at a rate that is faster than I can earn it! Before you know it comes the lawyers who send out a few letters so that you have to pay hundreds more in fees!

Getting just a little behind makes a reoccurring nightmare now responsible for us still owing just about everything borrowed, when the house should have been paid by now! It's one thing after another. The Institute that's supposed to be representing the "theory of intelligent design" only makes a mockery of it, no help there. Only embarrasses me to have to carry on. And this forum is a good example of the kind of you'll usually find from the other side of the issue. You get a NoName chatbot that just throws defamatory statements but that's just the way it goes, just condone it. Other forums have resident experts who know just enough to be dangerous to the reputation of even the whole scientific community. But so what right? That's the way it is. Oh well. Just another decade of only accepting the easiest to argue against concept from one of the big name ID strawman instead of a scientific model to explain "intelligent cause" in scientific context! It's hard to imagine a worse case scenario for science. And for me.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,20:59   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,19:55)
If you must know, then my wife bounced our mortgage payment which caused the system to start penalizing me at a rate that is faster than I can earn it! Before you know it comes the lawyers who send out a few letters so that you have to pay hundreds more in fees!

Getting just a little behind makes a reoccurring nightmare now responsible for us still owing just about everything borrowed, when the house should have been paid by now! It's one thing after another. The Institute that's supposed to be representing the "theory of intelligent design" only makes a mockery of it, no help there. Only embarrasses me to have to carry on. And this forum is a good example of the kind of you'll usually find from the other side of the issue. You get a NoName chatbot that just throws defamatory statements but that's just the way it goes, just condone it. Other forums have resident experts who know just enough to be dangerous to the reputation of even the whole scientific community. But so what right? That's the way it is. Oh well. Just another decade of only accepting the easiest to argue against concept from one of the big name ID strawman instead of a scientific model to explain "intelligent cause" in scientific context! It's hard to imagine a worse case scenario for science. And for me.

But how could you ever have known any better than to peddle your non-science?

Oh yeah, by listening to the people who showed the many ways in which you are wrong.  It's just that your not-theory is as important to you as it is unimportant to anyone who actually cares about science.

Well you could go off and do something useful that might save your house, or you can keep on with your truly pathetic fantasy.  Unfortunately, you'll likely just do the latter, and the results will be your fault--no matter how much you deny it.  It's sad where you are today, but there's no helping the arrogantly wrong.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,21:24   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,19:55)
If you must know, then my wife bounced our mortgage payment which caused the system to start penalizing me at a rate that is faster than I can earn it! Before you know it comes the lawyers who send out a few letters so that you have to pay hundreds more in fees!

Getting just a little behind makes a reoccurring nightmare now responsible for us still owing just about everything borrowed, when the house should have been paid by now! It's one thing after another. The Institute that's supposed to be representing the "theory of intelligent design" only makes a mockery of it, no help there. Only embarrasses me to have to carry on. And this forum is a good example of the kind of you'll usually find from the other side of the issue. You get a NoName chatbot that just throws defamatory statements but that's just the way it goes, just condone it. Other forums have resident experts who know just enough to be dangerous to the reputation of even the whole scientific community. But so what right? That's the way it is. Oh well. Just another decade of only accepting the easiest to argue against concept from one of the big name ID strawman instead of a scientific model to explain "intelligent cause" in scientific context! It's hard to imagine a worse case scenario for science. And for me.

Then put down your keyboard and go work some more.  Deliver pizzas.  Scrub toilets.  Make annoying sales calls.  Any number of jobs could be done in the time you spend pretending to be in the middle when you're actually even less serious than the creationists who were selling ID.  At least they had a business model.  Granted, it was a scam to sell books and sneak their religion into schools (in that order), but at least they were organized. At least they took care of their families.

Quit whining on the internet, and take care of your life.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,21:51   

It doesn't take long for the pitchmen for the anti-ID side to help defend the DI pitchmen.

Ignoring a model and theory that is clearly way more scientific than anything the DI ever produced is how the other side of the issue keeps the other in control. They need each other. If science were allowed to settle the issue then there would be no issue anymore. But they just want to argue back and forth with their old adversaries like it's still 1999. Here we are going into 2017 and they're still at it.

The general public is being very misled by a tremendous amount of scientific misconduct, primarily from political activists. I don't think that the greater "scientific community" is overly aware of how they are being misrepresented by them.

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And although I am still not sure of the amount or what happened (bank is going to contact us in regards to action) according to my wife a magazine company from a years ago fundraiser for my granddaughters school made a substantial withdrawal from our checking account. It looks like one of those places that do all they can to prevent anyone from ever cancelling, after making it seem like a one time thing.

My life has become like living from one scam to the next. This is very depressing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,22:04   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,21:51)
It doesn't take long for the pitchmen for the anti-ID side to help defend the DI pitchmen.

Ignoring a model and theory that is clearly way more scientific than anything the DI ever produced is how the other side of the issue keeps the other in control. They need each other. If science were allowed to settle the issue then there would be no issue anymore. But they just want to argue back and forth with their old adversaries like it's still 1999. Here we are going into 2017 and they're still at it.

The general public is being very misled by a tremendous amount of scientific misconduct, primarily from political activists. I don't think that the greater "scientific community" is overly aware of how they are being misrepresented by them.

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And although I am still not sure of the amount or what happened (bank is going to contact us in regards to action) according to my wife a magazine company from a years ago fundraiser for my granddaughters school made a substantial withdrawal from our checking account. It looks like one of those places that do all they can to prevent anyone from ever cancelling, after making it seem like a one time thing.

My life has become like living from one scam to the next. This is very depressing.

Said the idiot who begins his sad scam with ambiguous, stupid rot from the DI.  

Yes, you may have some right to complain about them giving you the stupidity that you imbibed, while they won't give a second thought to your junk.  That said, you're the idiot who is led by somewhat more capable idiots, meaning that you're at the bottom of the barrel.  

No, you're the only one (of long-time commenters, anyway) who backs the lies of the DI here.  And they spit in your face while encouraging you to attack actual science.  They may think it's worth you losing your house, but it's especially pathetic if you descend into foreclosure aping their stupidity while whining about the fact that they don't care about your useless crap.  Of course they don't, they have their own scam going.

I guess you're going to lose everything else, why not lose any shred of dignity that you might have left (unlikely you do)?  Lie, whine, and keep to your DI-scam-based bullshit, just refuse to accept any responsibility at all.  That appears to be your plan.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,22:29   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,21:51)
It doesn't take long for the pitchmen for the anti-ID side to help defend the DI pitchmen.

Ignoring a model and theory that is clearly way more scientific than anything the DI ever produced is how the other side of the issue keeps the other in control. They need each other. If science were allowed to settle the issue then there would be no issue anymore. But they just want to argue back and forth with their old adversaries like it's still 1999. Here we are going into 2017 and they're still at it.

The general public is being very misled by a tremendous amount of scientific misconduct, primarily from political activists. I don't think that the greater "scientific community" is overly aware of how they are being misrepresented by them.

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And although I am still not sure of the amount or what happened (bank is going to contact us in regards to action) according to my wife a magazine company from a years ago fundraiser for my granddaughters school made a substantial withdrawal from our checking account. It looks like one of those places that do all they can to prevent anyone from ever cancelling, after making it seem like a one time thing.

My life has become like living from one scam to the next. This is very depressing.

I am sorry that your life is a mess.  However, your not-a-theory is not worthwhile science for all the reasons that we have listed time and time again.  You have yet to make it into anything that is worth paying attention to, so, unsurprisingly, it has no credibility whatsoever.  Scientific ideas do not win by default. Although the DI has not done any worthwhile science whatsoever, neither have you.  You haven't bothered to learn the basics of the fields you are trying to critique, so your stuff is ridiculous.  Just because their stuff is horrible does not make yours any better - it's just different.  Worse, there is no obvious way to improve it even to the level of being a tiny bit interesting.  And why on earth you decided to tie your ideas to their banner is incomprehensible, especially given that your ideas do not feature intelligence as defined by anyone else and have nothing to do with design, as you are really trying to argue for emergence.

And no one here defends the DI, except on occasion you.

Please, for your own sake, go do something useful - look after your family, for instance.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,22:46   

Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 26 2016,22:29)
However, your not-a-theory.........

I'll take that as a troll.

You should know that you are only fooling yourself by believing that you have the scientific right to dictate the use of the word "theory". Your behavior indicates that you just want to throw stones at anything that reminds you of your adversaries. That's politics, not science.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2016,22:56   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 26 2016,22:46)
Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 26 2016,22:29)
However, your not-a-theory.........

I'll take that as a troll.

You should know that you are only fooling yourself by believing that you have the scientific right to dictate the use of the word "theory". Your behavior indicates that you just want to throw stones at anything that reminds you of your adversaries. That's politics, not science.

You go on telling yourself that, and see if anyone believes it, other than you.

I am merely using the scientific definition of "theory".  Your stuff falls short of that definition.  This is your problem, not mine.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2016,00:01   

Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 26 2016,22:56)
You go on telling yourself that, and see if anyone believes it, other than you.

People regularly say that they have a theory. And it's annoying for someone to butt-in by turning the word used to describe an explanation for how something works or happened into a sacred word that all but you and your friends are qualified to use. That's clubhouse mentality. A hypothesis is not a ritualized event either, it's simply an idea (that can be in the form of a question) you can test.

There is no way you can enforce your special definitions. Science does not need them. The vast majority of people are for good reason just going to keep on ignoring you anyway. As far as I'm concerned: as long as a person knows the simple difference between a hypothesis and a theory they're all set. Only thing you would do is leave them with a dysfunctional definition for both. Then you look foolish when someone asks you about "String Theory" and other theories that are not doing all that well these days or are known to be false. Your need for a theory to have been tested until there is zero chance of being wrong is unworkable to begin with.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2016,02:20   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 27 2016,06:01)
The vast majority of people are for good reason just going to keep on ignoring you anyway.

In extremis veritas.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2016,06:49   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 27 2016,00:01)
     
Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 26 2016,22:56)
You go on telling yourself that, and see if anyone believes it, other than you.

People regularly say that they have a theory. And it's annoying for someone to butt-in by turning the word used to describe an explanation for how something works or happened into a sacred word that all but you and your friends are qualified to use. That's clubhouse mentality. A hypothesis is not a ritualized event either, it's simply an idea (that can be in the form of a question) you can test.

There is no way you can enforce your special definitions. Science does not need them. The vast majority of people are for good reason just going to keep on ignoring you anyway. As far as I'm concerned: as long as a person knows the simple difference between a hypothesis and a theory they're all set. Only thing you would do is leave them with a dysfunctional definition for both. Then you look foolish when someone asks you about "String Theory" and other theories that are not doing all that well these days or are known to be false. Your need for a theory to have been tested until there is zero chance of being wrong is unworkable to begin with.

Yes, people regularly say they have a theory.  However, you are making claims in science, demanding that people test your thing and work on it on the grounds that you claim it is a theory and science has certain obligations towards a theory.  You also claim that your idea wins by default because there isn't a better theory.  

Even if any of that were true (and none of it is), it would pertain to scientific theories, not to the general use of "theory" (you have a really bad habit of trying to argue by jumping categories and conflating terms).  However, what you claim about theories is not true of scientific theories either.  You are in fact wrong that science has any obligations toward a legitimate theory: scientists can work on it or not, and part of scientists' decisions will depend on whether they think it is interesting and fruitful and worth their time.  Unless someone else is all fired up about it, it is basically up to the proposer to do the legwork to demonstrate the potential validity and value of the proposed theory.  You haven't done anything at all in that direction.  In fact, everything you write and say indicates exactly the opposite, because you keep showing that you lack valid logic, useful definitions, supporting evidence, a ground-truthed model that actually supports your claims, and any reasonable command of relevant background information.  Moreover, a theory does not win by default: it has to have something going for it, unlike your idea (see the above failings).  Even worse for you, the default in the absence of a decent theory is not the next most reasonable theory but "We don't know yet."  

I don't get to decide what a theory is, but neither do you.  If nothing else, "theory", as used in science, includes a requirement of broad acceptance, if not acceptance as a complete explanation at least acceptance as being worthy of further consideration and exploration.  You don't have that.  Hence, you don't have a scientific theory, and you don't get to make any claims on that basis.

If you wanted to do some useful science, you might begin with some actual testable hypotheses, because you've been short on those too.

Science isn't an exclusive clubhouse.  Its doors are wide open.  However, it does have a sign at the entrance saying "No nonsense allowed".  Sadly, your stuff is nonsensical.  

Look after your family, because your not-a-theory is dead in the water.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2016,07:21   

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Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 26 2016,22:56)
You go on telling yourself that, and see if anyone believes it, other than you.

People regularly say that they have a theory. And it's annoying for someone to butt-in by turning the word used to describe an explanation for how something works or happened into a sacred word that all but you and your friends are qualified to use. That's clubhouse mentality. A hypothesis is not a ritualized event either, it's simply an idea (that can be in the form of a question) you can test.

There is no way you can enforce your special definitions. Science does not need them. The vast majority of people are for good reason just going to keep on ignoring you anyway. As far as I'm concerned: as long as a person knows the simple difference between a hypothesis and a theory they're all set. Only thing you would do is leave them with a dysfunctional definition for both. Then you look foolish when someone asks you about "String Theory" and other theories that are not doing all that well these days or are known to be false. Your need for a theory to have been tested until there is zero chance of being wrong is unworkable to begin with.

People regularly say they consult their horoscope, too.
Somehow 'vox populi' is not a determining factor in truth.

The fundamental problem with your effluent remains it's banal trite meaninglessness.
Your 'foundational premise' is entirely non-controversial.
There is, quite literally, no one who does not agree that there are features of the universe (broadly taken) that are best explained by "intelligent cause"'.  None of those are explicable on the terms of your "theory".  (Symphonies, suspension bridges, theories, vaccines, mortgages, incomes, credit lines, hovels, shoes, dentists, doctors etc.)
The problem is that you leave it at that.  No definition of what counts as 'intelligent cause'.  Still less a definition or algorithm or descriptive approach to how one might decide which features are the ones best explained by 'intelligent cause', whatever that turns out to mean, and which are best explained by other sorts of cause.
You have never, not once, provided an actual explanation of any feature of the universe solely on the grounds and terms of your so-called 'theory'.
Your work has not been tested at all because there is nothing there to test.  There is no means to identify what 'feature of the universe' we should be examining to see if, in fact, it is susceptible to explanation by 'intelligent cause', let alone 'best explained by "intelligent cause"'.
You haven't a clue what an 'intelligent cause' is, yet you think you've managed to produce a theory about it.
You've attracted no supporters, made no converts, convinced no one that you have anything of merit.
Your imaginary friends don't count.  The only advantage they have over the rest of your fevered rantings is that we have a general idea of what counts as a real friend.
They must have a body.
They must be present to the sensorium.
They must be remembered in some form.
It must be possible to not only retain but return the contents of those memories.
They must, within certain wide and loose constraints, be predictable.
They must learn over time.  (Note:  I'm using the Cognitive Science definition of learning, not the jumbled mess you take to be the meaning of the term.)
Yet friends may be 'intelligent causes' with respect to some features of the universe, they are not equivalent to nor reducible to 'intelligent cause' nor are they defined by the list of characteristics above.
Those of us with IQs above our shoe size will recognize the lessons in this.
Sadly, some features of the universe are best explained by sentient but unintelligent causes having an IQ significantly lower than the square root of their shoe size.  All but one of us here know who that might be.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2016,19:44   

If theories are no longer tentative then it is fair to base "evolution by natural selection" entirely on what Charles Darwin said. All that has since happened to the theory becomes irrelevant.

In cases like this where there is evidence that a premise is describing something that can be explained in scientific context the rules must be the same for all sides. Anything less is scientific misconduct. And pointing fingers at the DI only gives them the attention they want and need. It's way more self-defeating of a tactic than it seems.

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The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2016,21:02   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 27 2016,19:44)
If theories are no longer tentative then it is fair to base "evolution by natural selection" entirely on what Charles Darwin said. All that has since happened to the theory becomes irrelevant.

In cases like this where there is evidence that a premise is describing something that can be explained in scientific context the rules must be the same for all sides. Anything less is scientific misconduct. And pointing fingers at the DI only gives them the attention they want and need. It's way more self-defeating of a tactic than it seems.

For anyone who's confused, but not as hopeless as Gary, the idea that all scientific theories are tentative is the upper limit on our confidence.  It does not preclude a lower boundary on what we give the name theory.  

A decent amount of evidence + some general consensus < a scientific theory < absolute proof and certainty for all time.

Notice the lack of an "or equal to" on the right hand inequality.

Gary, of course, will not understand this because he is both uneducated and stubbornly wedded to his belief that he understands science better than actual scientists.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2016,22:44   

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If theories are no longer tentative then it is fair to base "evolution by natural selection" entirely on what Charles Darwin said. All that has since happened to the theory becomes irrelevant.


How on earth do you draw that conclusion from anything said earlier?  "Theory", as used in science, includes a requirement of broad acceptance, if not acceptance as a complete explanation, at least acceptance as being worthy of further consideration and exploration.  People have tested Darwin's ideas and modified them, and the modifications have survived testing, so they are widely accepted.

 
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In cases like this where there is evidence that a premise is describing something that can be explained in scientific context the rules must be the same for all sides. Anything less is scientific misconduct. And pointing fingers at the DI only gives them the attention they want and need. It's way more self-defeating of a tactic than it seems.


The rules are are same for all sides.  You are the one who is insisting that standards be waived for you.  You need clearly stated operational definitions, valid redefinitions of key terms if you want to use standard terms in nonstandard ways, and some supporting evidence.  You need to propose your ideas in standard venues, expressed in comprehensible English, and you need to incorporate prior work, correctly represented.  You fail on all scores there.

Darwin had some powerful and fascinating ideas.  You don't. You have yet to present any evidence that you have anything worthwhile.  And you are the one that keeps bringing up the DI.

  
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