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Posted: June 18 2008,09:25

Sal admits defeat

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Dirichlet is not the approprate set of conditions for inverse Fourier transforms and series as I had supposed in December 2007 when I put my post up at YoungCosmos.

Interesting that "math" can defeat him. I wonder how he'll cope with more of the same at University.
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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Posted: June 18 2008,09:26

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is that my beautiful car? �is this my beautiful wife?

LOL (in oversized white suit)

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Posted: June 18 2008,09:55

That looks like fun!

Oh yes, they call him the geek
prove me that, prove me that
naturalistic thing on two feet
he's just as sick as he can be
of ID
and he's going to given 'em a tweak.
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Interesting parallels�

Between Ken Miller going on The Colbert Report, and streaking? Ken Miller and Stephen Colbert and being nekkid? (Thanks for that, BTW.) What "parallels"? Two perpendicular lines in a paranoid schizophrenic's mind? ("Find X.") Latent homosexuality, maybe? Wouldn't that explain a lot?

Are you sure of what Gil dreams of?

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Posted: June 18 2008,10:08

Quote (Kristine @ June 18 2008,17:55)

That looks like fun!

Oh yes, they call him the geek
prove me that, prove me that
naturalistic thing on two feet
he's just as sick as he can be
of ID
and he's going to given 'em a tweak.
� � �

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Interesting parallels�

Between Ken Miller going on The Colbert Report, and streaking? Ken Miller and Stephen Colbert and being nekkid? (Thanks for that, BTW.) What "parallels"? Two perpendicular lines in a paranoid schizophrenic's mind? ("Find X.") Latent homosexuality, maybe? Wouldn't that explain a lot?

Are you sure of what Gil dreams of? ;)

No.

I am sure you know better.

I was just thinking about beauty.

I am aware that some boy's have other ideas what that might be.

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Posted: June 18 2008,10:22

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I was just thinking about beauty.

HAR HAR THIS IS YOU

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Posted: June 18 2008,12:29

Check this out:

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TE�s [theistic evolutionists] aren�t loonies. They�re spineless appeasers. They know wearing on their sleeve a belief in a personal living God who can make miracles happen with a wave of His hand will make them look like superstitious fools among the �higher� scientists. National Academy members, the higher scientists, are 71% positive atheists, 22% agnostics, and just 7% who profess a faith in God. Plain and simple, TE�s are caving in to pressure from the majority of the most accomplished scientists. Wimps. If Judas was alive today he�d be a TE.

Guess which fundy wrote that. BA77? Nope. Dr. Dr. Hisself? Wrong again. Answer.

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Posted: June 18 2008,12:51

Ted Davis's reply to this tantrum is well worth reading.

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Posted: June 18 2008,13:06

Quote (olegt @ June 18 2008,12:51)

Ted Davis's reply to this tantrum is well worth reading.

Bourne's unreasoned response preceded Ted's and provides a nice contrast

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The most offensive thing in Miller�s new rag is the inane claim that somehow ID is a threat to civilization.

That is unbelievably stupid and/or hypocritical. The Judeo/Christian values upon which America was founded are diametrically opposed to just about everything Darwinism, and it�s undergirding materialist religion, stands for.

History attests to this in no uncertain terms.

I wonder if Miller�s name in Greek or Hebrew adds up to 666? :-o
Can�t be, he isn�t smart enuff for that job.

Where to begin....

I like Ted's point about "what's different" with ID.

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(2) It is unclear how one would do science differently with ID, when it comes to working in laboratories and observatories and in the field. There is no �there� there, in terms of an alternative theory for contextualizing stuff.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Posted: June 18 2008,13:12

Quote (olegt @ June 18 2008,12:29)

Check this out:
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TE�s [theistic evolutionists] aren�t loonies. They�re spineless appeasers. They know wearing on their sleeve a belief in a personal living God who can make miracles happen with a wave of His hand will make them look like superstitious fools among the �higher� scientists. National Academy members, the higher scientists, are 71% positive atheists, 22% agnostics, and just 7% who profess a faith in God. Plain and simple, TE�s are caving in to pressure from the majority of the most accomplished scientists. Wimps. If Judas was alive today he�d be a TE.

Guess which fundy wrote that. �BA77? �Nope. �Dr. Dr. Hisself? �Wrong again. �Answer.

This is hilarious in light of Dave's many attempts to include TEs when he is adding up all the folks who "support ID", as gleaned from various polls.

When he needs 'em to bump up the numbers for his pre-ordained conclusions, he includes TEs under the big tent. But if he isn't counting heads, they become "appeasers".

What a piece of work he is...

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Posted: June 18 2008,13:53

Re 'appeaser', with respect to IDists i prefer 'Skeezer'. �3rd definition fits the ID movement perfectly. �If you are willing to grant 'immoral woman' = 'intellectual whoredom' and 'sexual acts' = 'screwing themselves repeatedly in public' then

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) 3. �An immoral woman with no pride; one who engages in humiliating and degrading sexual acts for little or no gratitude or reward.

of course, the reward is in heaven. �silly chance worshippers.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell.�Peach, bro.-FtK

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Posted: June 18 2008,14:35

I love this:

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Ted Davis:
Throw in the rhetoric about �dancing on gravestones� (claims that we�re living in the last generation of evolution, claims that sound like the Millerites waiting for the second coming), and they start looking for the exits.

IDM = ID Millerites. �I like it! �Sal, Dr. Dr. D., most of the rest of you: You are IDM advocates. Flee to the mountaintops!

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Posted: June 18 2008,14:56

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 18 2008,12:12)

Quote (olegt @ June 18 2008,12:29)

Check this out:
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TE�s [theistic evolutionists] aren�t loonies. They�re spineless appeasers. They know wearing on their sleeve a belief in a personal living God who can make miracles happen with a wave of His hand will make them look like superstitious fools among the �higher� scientists. National Academy members, the higher scientists, are 71% positive atheists, 22% agnostics, and just 7% who profess a faith in God. Plain and simple, TE�s are caving in to pressure from the majority of the most accomplished scientists. Wimps. If Judas was alive today he�d be a TE.

Guess which fundy wrote that. �BA77? �Nope. �Dr. Dr. Hisself? �Wrong again. �Answer.

This is hilarious in light of Dave's many attempts to include TEs when he is adding up all the folks who "support ID", as gleaned from various polls.

When he needs 'em to bump up the numbers for his pre-ordained conclusions, he includes TEs under the big tent. But if he isn't counting heads, they become "appeasers".

What a piece of work he is...

So much for the big TEnt.

What's the age of the earth again?

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Posted: June 18 2008,15:01

Quote (CeilingCat @ June 18 2008,14:35)

I love this: � �

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Ted Davis:
Throw in the rhetoric about �dancing on gravestones� (claims that we�re living in the last generation of evolution, claims that sound like the Millerites waiting for the second coming), and they start looking for the exits.

IDM = ID Millerites. �I like it! �Sal, Dr. Dr. D., most of the rest of you: You are IDM advocates. �Flee to the mountaintops!

I suppose that makes Dembski the Great Disappointment.

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Posted: June 18 2008,15:03

Quote (Kristine @ June 18 2008,14:56)

So much for the big TEnt.

What's the age of the earth again? :p

4.5 billion years, for sufficiently small values of billion.

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Posted: June 18 2008,15:55

Unplug your irony meters for this gem from tribune7. �

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I don�t think anybody here objects to criticism of ID or attempts to refute it.

Unless bannination = "objects to criticism", he's absolutely right!

And then he outdoes himself with this �

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And why is it wrong to attempt to use a measurable methodology to attempt to find design in nature?

Here's a hint, trib. It isn't wrong. But it might be wrong to refuse to do it and then lie about what you've done...

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Posted: June 18 2008,16:01

Quote (dogdidit @ June 18 2008,14:03)

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So much for the big TEnt.

What's the age of the earth again?

4.5 billion years, for sufficiently small values of billion.

Ah but remember, with God "every second is a thousand [or million] years and every thousand years a second."

Thus "if you run the numbers," what you have are lies, damn lies, and static.

(Dembski hasn't given a lecture since, it seems. What up?)

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Posted: June 18 2008,20:20

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DaveTard, agnostic, writes:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-290850

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2:37 pm
TE�s aren�t loonies. They�re spineless appeasers. They know wearing on their sleeve a belief in a personal living God who can make miracles happen with a wave of His hand will make them look like superstitious fools among the �higher� scientists. National Academy members, the higher scientists, are 71% positive atheists, 22% agnostics, and just 7% who profess a faith in God. Plain and simple, TE�s are caving in to pressure from the majority of the most accomplished scientists. Wimps. If Judas was alive today he�d be a TE.

1) HAR HAR HEDDLE IS A SPINELESS APPEASER
2) UD IS KEEN TO KEEP ITS TOTAL MONOPOLY ON LOONIES.

AFAIK, Heddle has never said whether he actually accepts evolution or not. I don't think he is a TE.

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Posted: June 18 2008,20:35

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Since hopefully you are evidence-based, perhaps you could explain how many neutral mutations can be expected to be traversed by an organism in, say, 500,000 generations, with a genome of, say, 3 billion bases and a mutation rate of, say, 6 mutations per generation. Is there an edge to evolution, and can we approximate it? And if so, how does it compare with the standard interpretation of paleontological change?

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-290969

Damn, if there were only one organism, it might take a long time.

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the gloves are off, and one might as well be a full-blown YUC

I like that term.

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Posted: June 18 2008,20:35

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AFAIK, Heddle has never said whether he actually accepts evolution or not. �I don't think he is a TE.

Well I think he is, and I'm wearing his underwear.

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Posted: June 18 2008,20:41

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I was just thinking about beauty.

HAR HAR THIS IS YOU

Ha, that's you're idea of beauty?

For someone claiming to be the owner of that cute ass someone here proposed for the cover of Dr DroT Billy's new book when in fact it I know your hairy ass looks like this...

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Posted: June 18 2008,20:48

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AFAIK, Heddle has never said whether he actually accepts evolution or not. �I don't think he is a TE.

Well I think he is, and I'm wearing his underwear.

Would you agree with Davetard that you are a spineless appeaser?

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Posted: June 18 2008,20:52

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Unplug your irony meters for this gem from tribune7. �

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I don�t think anybody here objects to criticism of ID or attempts to refute it.

Wow.

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Posted: June 18 2008,20:54

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AFAIK, Heddle has never said whether he actually accepts evolution or not. �I don't think he is a TE.

Well I think he is, and I'm wearing his underwear.

ok heddle ..er....thanks..... I found this

Lazyboy- Underwear Goes Outside The Pants Video

...bugger now I owe you a beer ...bastard (down under that is a term of endearment)

NOW GET A REAL JOB AND WEAR YOUR UNDERPANTS INSIDE YOUR TROUSERS ...er .....HOMO!!!

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Posted: June 18 2008,20:56

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AFAIK, Heddle has never said whether he actually accepts evolution or not. �I don't think he is a TE.

Well I think he is, and I'm wearing his underwear.

I stand corrected, although I've asked you that in the past and you've never answered me until now.

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Posted: June 18 2008,20:56

I love when I hear creationist nuts theorize that thousands of scientists don't really believe what they say, they just submit to peer pressure. Anybody who says that hasn't know many scientists.

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Posted: June 18 2008,20:56

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Unplug your irony meters for this gem from tribune7. � �

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I don�t think anybody here objects to criticism of ID or attempts to refute it.

Wow.

yeah wow.

They are having a real crisis of navel gazing over there at the moment.

Billy's getting his ass kicked.

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Posted: June 18 2008,21:00

BTW Dave, when you write posts on your blog about UD feel free to drop a link in this thread if you want.

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Posted: June 18 2008,21:08

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AFAIK, Heddle has never said whether he actually accepts evolution or not. �I don't think he is a TE.

Well I think he is, and I'm wearing his underwear.

(TE = tighty-whities evolutionist).

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Posted: June 18 2008,21:14

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I love when I hear creationist nuts theorize that thousands of scientists don't really believe what they say, they just submit to peer pressure. Anybody who says that hasn't know many scientists.

Absolutely.
They are so isolated in
Billy's Little Love Shack Vise for the Poor Me Bubble Babies�

they mistake whacking each other with virtual wet lettuce for the prize fighter mentality of science which is a bare knuckle knock down drag em out fight to the finish.
It is not a spectator sport.
Only the best ideas survive.

YES YES I KNOW THAT HOMO!

OUR SPECTATORS HERE ARE JUST WIMPS I KNOW THAT.

NO MATTER HOW MUCH BACK BONERS I GIVE THEM THEY ARE ALL HOPELESS WIMPS AND WOULDN'T LAST ONE ROUND IN THE REAL WORLD.

BILLY HISSELF SAID I COULD GET ME SOME REAL MEN WITH BIG HAIRY CHESTS AND TRUCKS ARRF ARRF

BUT HISSELF SAID THEY HAD TO HAVE PHD'S IN SCIENCE!!!

FUCK THIS IS A FRIGGN WAR I TOLD HIM.

FUCK THE PHD'S I SAID

WE NEED SOME GOOD OLD FASHIONED BEATINGS AND BLOODY NOSES ISN'T THAT WHAT SCIENTISTS RESPECT I SAID?

HISSELF SAID YOU GOT THE BLOG FOR THAT.

GEEZ BILLY NEEDS TO GET A BACKBONE. I WANT BLOOD. dt

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