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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2016,07:01   

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I am very confident that the prediction I was able to make will eventually turn out to be true.


Gaulin, you couldn't predict whether the sun will come up tomorrow. Your rubbish makes no predictions.

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But in their case they are just a vile troll turding all over my thread.


As there was a pile of bullshit already on here from your theory why shouldn't NoName think it was a toilet?

Bring in the Dancing Kittens, the clown is back!

I think he should print out his "theory" using brown ink on perforated tissue paper.  He could distribute it in rolls.

Gary probably thinks the Dancing Kittens are 'best explained' by having a map of local shock zones that they are trying to avoid, by consulting it prior to every motion, as part of their foraging behavior.  Very clever of those kitties to 'guess' how best to avoid the shock zones and so confirm Gary's prediction that Disco will be the new dance craze sweeping the nation.  Sales of shock zone generators for use in clubs will skyrocket!  Which will be further confirmation of his "theory".  Then we'll be sorry!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2016,14:40   

Gary, you have at long last managed to pose an acceptable hypothesis, that the neurons in the corvine hippocampus that are used for facial recognition constitute place and grid cells that are organized into triangular / hexagonal units.

This is potentially falsifiable and is thus testable.  Hypotheses are wherever you find them and they are not judged by their  parentage, so you are good on that score.  Your suggestion is logically plausible.

However, it is not entailed by your "not a theory", nor does it provide a test of it - your hypothesis in simply not logically related to anything you say about intelligence or design, or natural selection, or trinities of anything, or the Cambrian explosion, or "molecular intelligence, etc., etc., etc.

Note that your computer model is sufficiently divorced from first principles that it is incapable of providing a test of whether this is the way hippocampi actually work in nature.

But, baby steps.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2016,23:51   

Quote (N.Wells @ Sep. 30 2016,14:40)
Gary, you have at long last managed to pose an acceptable hypothesis, that the neurons in the corvine hippocampus that are used for facial recognition constitute place and grid cells that are organized into triangular / hexagonal units.


More specifically: the overall circuit of the entire brain region forms a 2D network that propagates waves as demonstrated by the Navigation Network model(s), which was tested in the ID Lab #5 where the circuit is wired in as I would any other electronic RAM chip type memory system.

 
Quote (N.Wells @ Sep. 30 2016,14:40)
This is potentially falsifiable and is thus testable.  Hypotheses are wherever you find them and they are not judged by their  parentage, so you are good on that score.  Your suggestion is logically plausible.


Well thanks for saying.

 
Quote (N.Wells @ Sep. 30 2016,14:40)
However, it is not entailed by your "not a theory", nor does it provide a test of it - your hypothesis in simply not logically related to anything you say about intelligence or design, or natural selection, or trinities of anything, or the Cambrian explosion, or "molecular intelligence, etc., etc., etc.


The theory predicted this hypothesis is true. Without the model that all this theory is possible from this hypothesis would not even exist.

The fact that the model has for decades been able to make reliable predictions for biology, to form testable hypotheses galore with, is another plus. And the theory possible from it is certainly way beyond anything else for explaining how living things are intelligently designed, created.

 
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Note that your computer model is sufficiently divorced from first principles that it is incapable of providing a test of whether this is the way hippocampi actually work in nature.


And what are the "first principles" of how the brain region that includes (but is not limited to) hippocampi works?

That is essentially the question I have for years been asking at places like the Kurzweil AI forum and now has the Reddit Neurobiology forum stumped too. Not even neurobiologists know enough detail to provide first principles.

From the looks of things the best scientific answer in regards to "first principles" of how our and other brains (at any size scale) work is in the model and theory that I have. But go ahead and try to prove me wrong.

 
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But, baby steps.


Along with the ramifications from an ID "culture war" over issues pertaining to first principles of "intelligence" the model and theory I defend has been a giant leap, for mankind..

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2016,00:26   

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The Ubiquitous Miracles Of Our Existence
September 29, 2016 Posted by William J Murray under Intelligent Design
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i can't keep up with all the ID science these days

Moar science!

         
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1  bFast  September 29, 2016 at 9:38 am
“I’m not aware of a god blatantly intervening in the world, as some people say happens.”

Hmmm. I was just out on a river hunting with a friend. One day our outboard motor refused to start. Both my friend and I are rather mechanical, so we worked on the problem. We found that we could get the motor to start if we had lots of throttle on. In fact, it would run fast very well. However, it would immediately die when we tried to slow it to an idle. This was a particular problem because you had to slow it to an idle to shift from neutral to drive.

Our mechanical sense cased us to conclude that the low speed jet in the carburetor was plugged. We decided to overhaul the carburetor in the field. However, we didn’t have sufficient tools to remove the carb so that we could work on it. We were hooped.

I said to my friend, “let me try something”. I prayed a quick prayer asking Jesus to fix the motor, and I pulled the cord. Vrooom. First pull. And the problem was gone forever.

I kinda agree with daveS. If my God didn’t sometimes blatantly intervene in my world, I really doubt that I would be one of his followers.

It was Satan who clogged that jet!

My money is on god clogging the engine because bfast was having unnatural desires towards his fishing buddy.



POTW

Hell, POT MONTH!

Certainly deserves an A+ for creativity, that's for sure.

But from my experience in ID forums: I seriously can't tell whether this was intended to be a parody, or it's from one of the church based programs I read about that were under development for curing homosexuality.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2016,05:36   

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The theory predicted this hypothesis is true. Without the model that all this theory is possible from this hypothesis would not even exist.

The fact that the model has for decades been able to make reliable predictions for biology, to form testable hypotheses galore with, is another plus. And the theory possible from it is certainly way beyond anything else for explaining how living things are intelligently designed, created.

Your not-a-theory is self-contradictory word salad.  It does not say one word about how living things are designed and it neither operationally defines nor supports your use of intelligence, although it uses the word "design" and making some unsupported assertions.  It undoubtedly inspired your hypothesis.

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Not even neurobiologists know enough detail to provide first principles.
Nor do you (which is why you haven't included them).  However, we know how neurons work, and your model does not simulate the same electrochemical processes.  There's a difference between modelling a blizzard by modelling the chemistry and physics of water molecules in air as the temperature drops, and writing a program that says
Do
Snowflakes = Snowflakes +1  
Loop until Snowflakes > Blizzard
which is closer to what you are doing.

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Along with the ramifications from an ID "culture war" over issues pertaining to first principles of "intelligence" the model and theory I defend has been a giant leap, for mankind.
No, it hasn't.  You are delusional on this score.  If anyone actually accepted it, that would constitute a step backward, because you have neither backed up your assertions nor defined your terms acceptably.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2016,10:20   

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The theory predicted this hypothesis is true. Without the model that all this theory is possible from this hypothesis would not even exist.


If I can untangle this abuse of the English language, I think Gaulin is  saying his not-a-theory predicted something and if it wasn't for his "model" his "theory" is useless. I think.

Gaulin, did your hypothesis come from your "theory" or vice versa? Did your "theory" come from your "model" or vice versa. Whichever it is it is definitely not science nor reason.

Which version of your BS makes this prediction and how can we tell without being able to see a dated version? How does your not-a-theory predict the Cambrian Explosion which happened about 5 hundred million years ago. Is this like the biblical predictions of Jesus your minister told you about in whichever sect of Methodism you were brought up in? Does anyone regard your rubbish as science in even the broadest meaning of science?

When do we get to see the Dancing Kittens?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2016,13:46   

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When do we get to see the Dancing Kittens?

Not speaking for Gary, of course, but here's Independent Woman, played by kittens.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2016,15:38   

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When do we get to see the Dancing Kittens?

Not speaking for Gary, of course, but here's Independent Woman, played by kittens.

It's now Halloween season. And at least stay topical!

Thriller Cats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....RfsQSeM

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2016,15:57   

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Not speaking for Gary, of course, but here's Independent Woman, played by kittens.


OK Jim, how did you get a copy of Gaulin's new video before release?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2016,19:11   

I have a new performance benchmark for the ID Lab model! I still need to do some more experimenting, but I'm making steady progress.

I am though still clueless as to what the "Independent Woman, played by kittens" is all about.

Now to address N.Wells' diversion:

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Not even neurobiologists know enough detail to provide first principles.
....... However, we know how neurons work,.............


I knew you would have to move the goalposts to something other than the "first principles" of how the brain region that includes (but is not limited to) hippocampi works.

In cases like this where more than neurons can be used you are required to show the other possible ways to put the basic principles into action, not give us a show and tell of what you learned in college about neurons. And with the billion dollar/pound neuron by neuron computer models all having failed to reveal these basic principles all I can say is what a money-pit your methodology is.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2016,09:23   

If Jesus were alive today then he would likely love how this one humorously makes his point about primitive "stoning" type behavior making thee no better than a dumb monkey.



atheistzoo.blogspot.com/2011/02/intelligent-design-colouring-book.html

Enjoy your Sunday!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2016,09:26   

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I have a new performance benchmark for the ID Lab model! I still need to do some more experimenting, but I'm making steady progress.

I am though still clueless as to what the "Independent Woman, played by kittens" is all about.

FTFY

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2016,13:08   

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I have a new performance benchmark for the ID Lab model! I still need to do some more experimenting, but I'm making steady progress.

I am though still clueless as to what the "Independent Woman, played by kittens" is all about.

FTFY

Bonk!
Ouch..

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2016,22:37   

After several replays I found this song appropriate for a pirate radio related mission through global electronic streets, where on one is a zoologist who is on a mission to carry on the mayhem that makes dreams come true, at a new place we call the Zoo:

Scorpions - The Zoo HD - live at Wacken Open Air - 2006
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg86dqEosiw

I might as well also add that I today I had a yard full of people on a field trip led by Patrick Getty who this time leading the Connecticut Valley Atheists on a tour of the local geology. It was an awesome day and the kids have a dinosaur print to show off in school where I wrote their name on the back as having been given to them by Gaulin Tracksite in 2016.

The ID debate never came up for discussion, nor did anyone make fun of Christians. It was entirely about dinosaurs and other critters we're finding. Chris from Long Island was at the same time chiseling away while they were here. The group saw the tracksite while science work was being performed.

In my opinion for kids to be out with their parents on learning excursions like this is a very good sign that they will grow up just fine. Maybe in a number of years they will find this reply posted in this Zoo of a forum, where as you know the science fun only goes on and on from here. Culture change beyond the Discovery Institute's dreams, from the young who know where the real science is at, in that regards. I'm sure their parents have no problem with their maybe later wanting to try robotics experiments or try the eggs and Jello origin of life aquarium. I even provided a great back to basics wedding ceremony idea for when they need to plan one that even a devout Christian expecting some occult themed horror would be impressed by, have a wonderful time too.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 03 2016,18:44   

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It was an awesome day and the kids have a dinosaur print to show off in school where I wrote their name on the back as having been given to them by Gaulin Tracksite in 2016.

What will the parents think when they hear that the kids' names were given to them by your tracksite?

You should have followed the kids back to school to find out if they have any remedial English composition classes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 04 2016,10:58   

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It was an awesome day and the kids have a dinosaur print to show off in school where I wrote their name on the back as having been given to them by Gaulin Tracksite in 2016.

What will the parents think when they hear that the kids' names were given to them by your tracksite?

And did they have names before 2016?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 04 2016,15:52   

Re "And did they have names before 2016?"

Pebbles and Bam Bam?

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2016,00:54   

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It was an awesome day and the kids have a dinosaur print to show off in school where I wrote their name on the back as having been given to them by Gaulin Tracksite in 2016.

What will the parents think when they hear that the kids' names were given to them by your tracksite?

You should have followed the kids back to school to find out if they have any remedial English composition classes.

After all that work and the time being the next morning it's a miracle it's not worse than forgivable ambiguity and maybe a redundant "I" from not being sure which place to put it. It's normal for a brain that needs sleep to automatically add or skip words. Again be thankful I wrote anything at all about the day. By the next was not able to.

On a more serious note, Guenter strikes again!

www.reddit.com/r/neuroscience/comments/55tvx8/can_you_all_please_help_me_with_something/

That turned out to be a wonderful way to explain the often misunderstood cell intelligence material. The other authors suspected of homeopathic-type shenanigans might still have a good excuse, related to the overwhelming thrill of discovering something happening mixed with not really being sure yet how it works. Where it's a first or early paper I just hope the next have less speculation, work out for them. This is opposite of the UD approach of right away casting stones, instead of looking for something that might still be useful in what they are trying to say.

And if that's not enough of sing it from the mountaintops peace and harmony for you then I found a fascinating "social experiment" that was well conducted (and performed) by Rachel Platten who tested my social methodologies great power, which as you can see from the results was confirmed to be that awesome:

Rachel Platten - Better Place (Official Video)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvI9PuGorwI

Remember her?

Stand By You (Official Video)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwB9EMpW8eY

With this all being another example of why Methodist leadership expects science to work out in the end for Methodists (and why they were right to not get involved in the Discovery Institute's fight) even the choirs with a robe like I once had when young are with us in song as well! Science knows no religion, and those who are not having fun somehow only have themselves to blame...

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2016,01:51   

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After all that work and the time being the next morning it's a miracle it's not worse than forgivable ambiguity and maybe a redundant "I" from not being sure which place to put it. It's normal for a brain that needs sleep to automatically add or skip words. Again be thankful I wrote anything at all about the day. By the next was not able to.


Somewhere in this universe this makes sense! Or possibly in one of the multiverses.

Nothing to do with the lack of sleep, Gaulin. It's due to a lack of grammar and 'intelligence'.


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On a more serious note, Guenter strikes again!

www.reddit.com/r/neuroscience/comments/55tvx8/can_you_all_please_help_me_with_something/


Ah! The University of Reddit, the go-to place to 'learn' about neuroscience! At least it is a step up from the execrable R/creationism subthread.

To quote; What a hoot!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2016,10:17   

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Again be thankful I wrote anything at all about the day.

Why on Earth would anyone be thankful for that?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2016,10:26   

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Again be thankful I wrote anything at all about the day.

Why on Earth would anyone be thankful for that?

If he's in the basement writing, he's not in the street yelling at passers-by.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2016,17:16   

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Again be thankful I wrote anything at all about the day.

Why on Earth would anyone be thankful for that?

I used to think that Gary believed this thread was his diary.  I now think he believes this is the dedicated thread for the Gary Gaulin Fan Club*.  Thus, the minutiae of his day is given to us as a gift, and we should be glad for it.


* Worst fan club, ever!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2016,17:51   

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Again be thankful I wrote anything at all about the day.

Why on Earth would anyone be thankful for that?

I used to think that Gary believed this thread was his diary.  I now think he believes this is the dedicated thread for the Gary Gaulin Fan Club*.  Thus, the minutiae of his day is given to us as a gift, and we should be glad for it.


* Worst fan club, ever!

Well, better that than the diagram.

I'm sure Gary thinks we're the worst fans ever, even if we are the strongest supporters he's ever had.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2016,18:37   

'Twas writ above:

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To quote; What a hoot!


Well, I did.  And I'm flattered.  Because he is.

Hey, Goo Goo, look . . . . three consecutive short and accurate sentences above, all in correct English.  You should try learning that . . . .

But, yes, you are QUITE THE HOOT!

:)  :)  :)  :)  :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2016,06:59   

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Again be thankful I wrote anything at all about the day.

Why on Earth would anyone be thankful for that?

I used to think that Gary believed this thread was his diary.  I now think he believes this is the dedicated thread for the Gary Gaulin Fan Club*.  Thus, the minutiae of his day is given to us as a gift, and we should be glad for it.


* Worst fan club, ever!

Well, better that than the diagram.

I'm sure Gary thinks we're the worst fans ever, even if we are the strongest supporters he's ever had.

I'm accustomed;

Metallica - Sad But True [Official Music Video]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....7fkZc5o

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2016,07:27   

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I'm accustomed;


If they gave out annual awards for the most irrelevant person on the planet Gaulin would win it every time.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2016,08:12   

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I'm accustomed;


If they gave out annual awards for the most irrelevant person on the planet Gaulin would win it every time.

Only if he were noticed, and the odds of that are far worse than Gary would believe.

It's so impressive how he manages to stay strong and bear up under the weight of his complete irrelevance, total banality, and inability to write coherent English.
He's an inspiration to, well, nobody but himself.  (And look what that's resulted in.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2016,18:28   

For those who were hoping I had something to experiment with by now ID Lab 6.0 is online at:

sites.google.com/site/intelligencedesignlab/home/IDLab6-0.zip

This has the MtrLft and MtrRgt signals all figured out. As with the critter it's simply the rotational change in signal direction, turn to the left or right.  

The next step is to include MtrFwd and MtrRev to control thrust pattern. As with the critter it's simply the change in thrust in either the forward or reverse direction. The full range of possibilities includes a negative range where slow reverse is not having 1 of 6 on as does slow forward, it's the other 5 that are on (sending one action potential). Negatives are needed to propagate a wave in one direction, but it's easy enough to include in the thrust control, which ironically needs the same four forward, one stop, and three reverse speeds/thrusts. To account for signal rate of neurons corresponding to thrust change up to 7 action potentials (timesteps) are needed to shift from one speed to another. Each place is then both magnitude and direction aware, in the same way the larger critter running around on the screen is.

I'm not precisely sure what the new confidence level If..Then.. statements will need to be, but I can start by making the Fwd/Rev confidence change the same as Lft/Rgt (+1 or -1 change) amount. It's then a matter of looking for what it needs to respond to, for a faster learner with increased overall performance. It can often still figure out the problem, just takes it more time. If it doesn't work then it will probably mess up really bad. One place sends others further out of timing then they're all soon worse than jitterbug haywire.

This ID Lab is to preserve a copy of the code showing what happens with just the Left and Right (direction) motor controls in the circuit. The ID Lab 6.1 should be after adding Forward and Reverse (magnitude) to the algorithymic equation. I'll try to at the same make it as Hebbian as possible using alternating cycle of Forward and Reverse, which dares signal collisions that cause anything with direction and magnitude like this to try not to do again. Brain cells that in a way unnecessarily zap each other when they collide might make them no exception.

When the signals each place moves through it are temporally arranged over time it's like each place that's propagating is cruising along for the ride, and to some amount senses what's ahead from what there is for "scenery" that exists along the way. It's already known that cells have a good ability to use their senses to predict future events. There is a good chance that in their perspective they are running around in a virtual environment. As far as the coded logic is concerned the only thing that matters is one or the other reference points change. Either way it's over time moving around in an environment. Where we could get the opinion of the cells this expects they will say that of course they are getting somewhere, it makes no sense to waste so much energy getting nowhere. Being oppositaly referenced makes for an alternate reality to what we experience where their putting muscles in motion or filling imagination with whatever happens to be mapped in gets them around in the world, while at the whole brain level it seems like "we" are in charge of all that. Without the places that map out and control navigation through an environment we go nowhere, so in a way the cellular places win as to who by their actions are most "getting there" in the process.

What happens after adding magnitude should be a big help explaining whatever dance step exists in the signal. I could alternately assume that the places don't mind wasting energy in collisions. But Hebbian theory seems to favor their doing better than that and favor where energy transfer is at a minimum, no collisions. That seems to be a clue as to what the thrusters must be sensitive to. Concordance worked out great for sensing proper turns but there is no control over how the single thrust pattern interacts with neighbors. So with the turns working out great I will make signal collisions hurt, as they would when closely danced. Adding control over that to the Left/Right for turns adds a signal to interfere with the ability to accurately turn back and forth between the angle signal direction is most coming from. But that's no problem for the thrust magnitude I need to add to the circuit, which needs something like that to prevent their in either direction going overboard with it. It's as though without something else controlling signal collisions there must be some.

I'm not sure whether it can this way 100% avoid collisions. Once again I have to try it and see what happens. The exact steps to dance it out will be whatever they converge on for an answer. Ironically this is most easily shown in a 6 bit version of the pull down chart in The Rocky Horror Picture Show Time Warp video and just asking for collisions especially in bottom view of couple with shin dangerous footing that seems to best represent the exchange in Groovie Movie (1944) Funny jitterbug instructional video. Temporally we get a swirly pattern around each place's place on the 2D dance floor. I therefore have much to go on for showing the necessary steps being danced out.

Only needing to show thrust towards a neighbor should also make an easier to study display than the 6 sector circles I now have. That did a good job for showing rotational information, but after adding thrust they start kicking a signal to neghbors that in the way it works logic of Lft/Rgt and Fwd/Rev both bits being 1 does the same as both being 0, no change in either directon possible. If it works then the program will supply the detail I was earlier missing. I did the best with what I had for signals, which were only half of what is needed to 100% follow the ID theory in regards to what motor signals are in this case expected to reduce to. With making it to that step along the way of following the evidence wherever it leads being such a milestone I had to upload the code for that part alone.

I will next get to work on what's now missing for each place to exactly parallel how our brain even cockroach navigationally sees things. What it needs to in jitterbug fashion temporally dance around a 2D dance floor without bumping into each other should be possible by drawing them all out at the same time. Once again I will not be sure until I try it, but that's what I expect from the Jitterbug swirl chart. The non-temporal step by step reduction has us back to a video that at least stays in theme for this Halloween season. The two show how the simple looking circuit over time gains a temporal way of thinking made up of many memories linking to another that makes sense together. What that looks like in a network of close spaced dancing places all going along for the over time ride we provide them could not be easier to code, though I'm not exactly sure what it will look like. Hopefully I'll soon know. Until then there is that to experiment with. Have fun!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2016,19:25   

Sorry for wrong download link. It's of course as was written, not where it went:

sites.google.com/site/intelligencedesignlab/home/IDLab6-0.zip

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2016,18:55   

Interesting observation. The standard 3 or 4 bit wide thrust pattern with no Lft/Rgt or Fwd/Rev turned out to be almost ideal for getting it to the food. This time there were no propagation problems that require resetting the network. There are already zero signal collisions, safe to dance this one.

After calculating Concordance according to the number of directions (out of 6) the output signal is null (two bit 11 or 00 condition) I got a figure that stayed at exactly 67%. But after adding the Lft/Rgt turn control back in it soon settled to 58%, exactly as reported in the Dynamic Grouping paper. Without the back and forth motion the places cannot be temporally precise and it shows in the (now more simply calculated) Concordance value being stuck at 67%.

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