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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,08:25   

Wow.

I had a much longer reply written, but it's obviously not worth it.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,08:31   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ May 24 2012,13:12)
Quote (Louis @ May 24 2012,15:07)
Oh and also incidentally, if anyone wants to ban me from here, although why would they, I'm fucking gorgeous ( ;-) ), not a single fuck will be given.

Just, ya know, FYI.

I'm wondering if I've been emphatic enough about this. It's possible I could have been less subtle.

Louis

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if anyone wants to ban me from here,


Da fuck, Louis?!?

I see you missed THAT point as well.

Louis

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,08:34   

Quote (Louis @ May 24 2012,15:31)
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ May 24 2012,13:12)
 
Quote (Louis @ May 24 2012,15:07)
Oh and also incidentally, if anyone wants to ban me from here, although why would they, I'm fucking gorgeous ( ;-) ), not a single fuck will be given.

Just, ya know, FYI.

I'm wondering if I've been emphatic enough about this. It's possible I could have been less subtle.

Louis

 
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if anyone wants to ban me from here,


Da fuck, Louis?!?

I see you missed THAT point as well.

Louis

What was that point? That you are gorgeous? I won't argue to that.

But banning here?

Or maybe there really is a miscommunication going on...


ETA: oh, ok, I think I get it: I shouldn't give a fuck about being banned at PZ's. Fine, fair enough. But then PZ and Cie shouldn't present themselves as freethinkers and knights of the order of freespeach and freethinking.

Edited by Schroedinger's Dog on May 24 2012,15:37

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,08:35   

Quote (OgreMkV @ May 24 2012,13:25)
Wow.

I had a much longer reply written, but it's obviously not worth it.

And I see you have understood my underlying point.

It is simply not worth discussing something with someone unwilling, for whatever reason, to discuss it.

I am unwilling to discuss this "something" with you (plural but not universal) because in my opinion (right or wrong) you are dishonest and incapable regarding this "something". You seem to be unwilling to discuss this "something" with me because in your opinion (presumably) I am an unpleasant arsehole.

If that's the case, you're right. I am. Especially when confronted with wankery like that on this thread and others. Ask someone like Skeptic or FTK, I was fucking horrid to them too.

Louis

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,08:46   

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That is not the case HERE. Deal with it.

Louis

P.S. I am impressed with my fuck count there. I think it could do with a few more though.

Here Louis, have a beer:


Ha! Joe only gets bunnies. Louis gets... well, you can see for yourself what Louis gets.

<jealous>

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,08:50   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ May 24 2012,13:34)
Quote (Louis @ May 24 2012,15:31)
 
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ May 24 2012,13:12)
 
Quote (Louis @ May 24 2012,15:07)
Oh and also incidentally, if anyone wants to ban me from here, although why would they, I'm fucking gorgeous ( ;-) ), not a single fuck will be given.

Just, ya know, FYI.

I'm wondering if I've been emphatic enough about this. It's possible I could have been less subtle.

Louis

   
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if anyone wants to ban me from here,


Da fuck, Louis?!?

I see you missed THAT point as well.

Louis

What was that point? That you are gorgeous? I won't argue to that.

But banning here?

Or maybe there really is a miscommunication going on...


ETA: oh, ok, I think I get it: I shouldn't give a fuck about being banned at PZ's. Fine, fair enough. But then PZ and Cie shouldn't present themselves as freethinkers and knights of the order of freespeach and freethinking.

Oh for fuck's sake. I'm going to have to draw a picture.

My point was that being banned from an internet forum of any kind, even one I have been a part of for a few years, is not significant to me. It is not a problem.

I'm not looking for strokes or a "community" or something warm and cuddly (although all those things are nice). I am not looking for people to agree with me. I get all that in real life if I want it, and I can (and do!) make dick jokes and fuck about anywhere. The thing that is rare as rocking horse shit is a decent discussion. That's worth finding.

Sometimes it even breaks out at Pharyngula...rarely, it's not really the place for it, in fact I think the format and community here is superior for that sort of thing. At least I can use a well placed LOLcat. Pharyngula, or here, or anywhere is to me a means to an end. A tool. I can chat with people who make me think, nicely or nastily, who challenge me to question my own thoughts*, and I can either engage them in discussion or use the thoughts so inspired to go and find a discussion elsewhere.

Louis

* Incidentally this is why my views on, for example, feminism and communication and "accomodationism" changed. My views on politics changed radically because of discussions, because I dealt with people who uncompromisingly pointed out the flaws in my thinking, at the evidence, and there were many. Some of those things even happened at, shock horror, Pharyngula.

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,09:01   

Quote (fnxtr @ May 24 2012,08:46)
Ha! Joe only gets bunnies. Louis gets... well, you can see for yourself what Louis gets.

<jealous>

Yeah, but you'll notice I intentionally selected a pic that shows Louis' beer being...um...consumed.

Hurry Louis! It will be gone soon!

:D

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,09:02   

Quote (Louis @ May 24 2012,08:35)
Quote (OgreMkV @ May 24 2012,13:25)
Wow.

I had a much longer reply written, but it's obviously not worth it.

And I see you have understood my underlying point.

It is simply not worth discussing something with someone unwilling, for whatever reason, to discuss it.

I am unwilling to discuss this "something" with you (plural but not universal) because in my opinion (right or wrong) you are dishonest and incapable regarding this "something". You seem to be unwilling to discuss this "something" with me because in your opinion (presumably) I am an unpleasant arsehole.

If that's the case, you're right. I am. Especially when confronted with wankery like that on this thread and others. Ask someone like Skeptic or FTK, I was fucking horrid to them too.

Louis

Nope, I'm willing to discuss it.  I just don't want to discuss what you want to discuss.

My entire commentary is based on the fact that PZ has a cult-like following that will brook no argument from someone with a different opinion.  

That is the entirety of my claims.  I think there is sufficient evidence to support that.  However, you have poo-pooed all that evidence with "you're just butthurt because they are mean to you".

You disagree, fine.

However, I really don't appreciate your claims that I am dishonest.  You haven't shown any evidence to support it.

And I'm really tired of people who go out of their way to explain when they are using "you" specifically and "you" as in everyone else.

And again, I personally don't care if you're fucking horrid.  That has nothing to do with it.  It's entirely based on your unwillingness to discuss the evidence.  If you like, I'll take 30 minutes out of my day and go find the thread on science blogs.  It was the one about that woman professor who said something (that everyone agreed with) and then wrote an apology for it (that no one except for 3 people agreed with).  I was one of those three people who thought that, as a professional, she was correct in writing the apology, even though I agreed with her statement.

Feel free to look it up.  The responses to that were exactly what I would expect from any other system of strong believe.  Not a single PZ regular stood up and said, "Hey, he has a right to an opinion."  or "Hmm, maybe a professional person should consider other things."  Nope, it was all trash the guys because they don't agree with us... just like you are doing now.

Now, I'd like some evidence of that dishonesty claim.

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rhmc



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,09:19   

Quote (Louis @ May 24 2012,08:18)
4) PZ not appearing at conferences with Abbie is his choice.

srsly?  ell oh fuckin' ell.

is that pz's version of "crossing the street" or is he just a chickenshit?

pretty funny.  abbie could have some fun with that.  i certainly would.

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,09:26   

Ogre,

I'll find it just as soon as you find evidence for some conspiratorial cult of personality.

Which incidentally you won't find.

Just to help you:

I made a comment on a vastly different topic to PZ's cult like following on Pharyngula. SD for reasons best-known only to him decided that I had some call to answer to (I don't...or rather, I already have, ad nauseum, which anyone who bothered to read would know), so he quoted it, with no link, and no context (both of which would make what I was talking about very clear) here.

I then said that as far as I was aware, I don't know her views on every topic, was that the one area where I consider Abbie to have fucked up repeatedly was about some aspects of Elevatorgate. That was it. I made that clear to even the meanest intellect.

Here, I'll quote me:

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The (single as far as I know) issue I think Abbie has fucked up repeatedly on is Elevatorgate. Or to be even more nuanced, certain aspects of the debate surrounding Elevatorgate. By no means all.


I then made it clear that SD, and indeed several people here, were not people I was remotely willing to discuss Elevatorgate with.

Your reply to SD's post was this:

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It appears to be more of the cult of PZ.


Really? Not a single honest reading of any of the many comments I made in that thread could lead any person to think that. My comments were pretty much all restricted to Elevatorgate, and the usual round of fuckwittery and jokes.

That is, in my opinion, a deliberate misrepresentation of what I was commenting on in that thread. Now, what's a word to describe someone who deliberately misrepresents something? Oh yes "dishonest".

The first line of your reply to my exceedingly obvious and clear comment that my views made explicit in that thread were to do with Elevatorgate and nothing more was this:

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So, basically, you're saying that I should be held accountable for Joe's stupid comments on my blog?


In a word: no.

Not only is that fuck all to do with what I was saying anywhere at any time, it was simply an excuse for you to get on your soapbox about your butthurt (very much in evidence I'm afraid) over the meanness of Pharyngula and your unevidenced claim of a cult of personality. Hint: because someone did not agree with you or someone you agree with it does not mean there is a cult of personality, nor does a comparative lack of agreement post some point in a conversation. There are more possible reasons than "cult of personality".

Why I even have to point this simple thing out to you is beyond me. So again, I think you are misrepresenting my fucking exceedingly simple and clearly stated comments to wank on about your own issues. Issues I haven't commented on and do not care about. Is that the hallmark of an honest participant in this topic's discussion?

Erm. No.

Louis

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,09:28   

Quote (rhmc @ May 24 2012,14:19)
Quote (Louis @ May 24 2012,08:18)
4) PZ not appearing at conferences with Abbie is his choice.

srsly?  ell oh fuckin' ell.

is that pz's version of "crossing the street" or is he just a chickenshit?

pretty funny.  abbie could have some fun with that.  i certainly would.

And you will have seen from the rest of the comment you fucking snipped, that I think what he's doing there is petty.

How you could parse that as support for PZ's boycott is beyond me.

Louis

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rhmc



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,09:29   

Quote (OgreMkV @ May 24 2012,10:02)
My entire commentary is based on the fact that PZ has a cult-like following that will brook no argument from someone with a different opinion.  

and i find that hilarious in a place called "free thought blog".

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,09:30   

Annnnnnd I am doing exactly what I don't want to be doing. I.e. discussing pointless fucking blog drama, a topic I don't care about, with people I consider insufficiently honest and capable of discussing it.

Smart move, Louis.

Louis

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rhmc



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,09:31   

Quote (Louis @ May 24 2012,10:28)
Quote (rhmc @ May 24 2012,14:19)
Quote (Louis @ May 24 2012,08:18)
4) PZ not appearing at conferences with Abbie is his choice.

srsly?  ell oh fuckin' ell.

is that pz's version of "crossing the street" or is he just a chickenshit?

pretty funny.  abbie could have some fun with that.  i certainly would.

And you will have seen from the rest of the comment you fucking snipped, that I think what he's doing there is petty.

How you could parse that as support for PZ's boycott is beyond me.

Louis

sorry, shorty.  i indicated nothing about your support or lack thereof for pz's position.

i was merely commenting on that fact.

sorry you're all butt hurt over that but quite frankly my dear...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,09:43   

I have to say I stopped going to Pharyngula, not because of PZ or anything he has written, but because of the commenters.

I am simply not interested in religion or the politics of religion except when it comes up in in legislation. I've been non-religious since around age 12. Not anti-religion, just non.

I don't care about plaques on walls, creches on courthouse lawns, or any of the semi-religious trappings of American culture. They neither interest nor offend me. The only thing that would offend me is teaching bullshit to kids in science class.

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,10:53   

So, still not answered, how did Abbie done fuck good?

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,11:03   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ May 24 2012,10:53)
So, still not answered, how did Abbie done fuck good?

I really don't know much about this discussion or even the specific thread this discussion applies to, however I really think Louis was as clear as he could be with his answer to your specific question SD. Here's his quote again in case you missed it:

 
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Louis: The (single as far as I know) issue I think Abbie has fucked up repeatedly on is Elevatorgate.


You may well agree or disagree that Abby has fucked up - whatever...I've got no particular interest one way or the other (heck...don't even really know who Abbie is) - however, I really do think that Louis answered the question regarding what he thinks Abbie fucked up on.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program...

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,11:21   

Robin,

SD wants to know precisely HOW I think Abbie has fucked up repeatedly on Elevatorgate and he is apparently unsatisfied with:

a) I am simply not interested in discussing the topic with him personally, and a few others, for the stated reasons.

b) My suggestion that if he really wants to rehash annoyingly omnipresent yet ancient history that he go back and read what Abbie wrote, what I wrote, what lots of people wrote and compare them.

It's not like there was thousands of comments by thousands of people on the subject or something. Oh wait, yes there was.

He apparently wants to be spoon fed something already out there. Something I'd have some interest in doing if I considered him an honest, clear thinking and unbiased person to have a discussion with on this issue.

I don't.

So I won't.

Apparently this is twice as hard to understand as quantum rocket surgery because I've said the same thing a few times now. With what can only be described as REMARKABLE force and clarity.

It seems that it's also a little too difficult to grasp the idea that because someone isn't interested in a discussion with a specific person about a specific issue that this means they've got nothing useful or cogent to say. That's only one of a myriad possible explanations.  Not least of which is a manifest distrust of the other proposed discussants of said issue.

Hint: I'm not going to have a race relations discussion with a fan of the KKK. It's a waste of my time. I'll confront them, boy howdy will I, but discussion? Why waste my breath?

The homeopaths don't get invited to chemistry conferences. It's because they are not useful participants and simply do the intellectual equivalent of taking a huge shit in everyone's drink. However well intentioned or otherwise nice, that's what they do. If I want to have to a discussion about chemistry, I'm not talking to a homeopath.

Louis

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,11:32   

Quote (Louis @ May 24 2012,11:21)
Robin,

SD wants to know precisely HOW I think Abbie has fucked up repeatedly on Elevatorgate and he is apparently unsatisfied with:

a) I am simply not interested in discussing the topic with him personally, and a few others, for the stated reasons.

b) My suggestion that if he really wants to rehash annoyingly omnipresent yet ancient history that he go back and read what Abbie wrote, what I wrote, what lots of people wrote and compare them.

It's not like there was thousands of comments by thousands of people on the subject or something. Oh wait, yes there was.

He apparently wants to be spoon fed something already out there. Something I'd have some interest in doing if I considered him an honest, clear thinking and unbiased person to have a discussion with on this issue.

I don't.

So I won't.

Yeah I got that...I forgot the explanation presented here:

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Louis: Again, read the thread. And read the myriad of other threads on the subject. My views have not been hidden. If you are insufficiently intelligent to parse the differences between what Abbie said and what I said....well guess what: NOT. MY. PROBLEM.


Carry on then...

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,11:48   

Look I know I am being an arsehole about this, but the whole pathetic drama pisses me off.

What also pisses me off is misogynist scum on the "slimepit" threads getting a free pass that wouldn't be given to the equivalent racist scum by anyone even remotely rational. All the excuses and apologetics made for these people are really beyond the pale, and not what I want to associate or deal with.

And then the whole thing devolves further into a team sport. As if it matters whether you "like" some blogger or not when considering matters of fact. Fuck that noise.

I cannot be more emphatic in my distaste for this if I draw a picture with a stick in the dirt illustrating my distaste and pointed at it with a space rocket.

Louis

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rhmc



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,15:50   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ May 24 2012,11:53)
So, still not answered, how did Abbie done fuck good?

for something louis doesn't want to talk about, he sure spends a lot of time talking about it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,15:59   

Quote (rhmc @ May 24 2012,20:50)
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ May 24 2012,11:53)
So, still not answered, how did Abbie done fuck good?

for something louis doesn't want to talk about, he sure spends a lot of time talking about it.

Oh sorry, was I posting above my approved limit?

Am I talking about Elevatorgate? No.

Am I talking about talking about Elevatorgate with people I think incapable of talking about it sensibly? Yes.

Does this difference escape a simpleton like you? Yes.

Did I start this? No.

Did I refuse to accept my answer that I am fucked off to the back teeth with the topic and not bothering with certain people on the topic? No.

Are you just a pointless shit stain lacking both the intellectual ability and courage to do anything but snipe because your likkle fee fees are bruised? Why that would be a yes. How about you fuck off.

Got any other "clever" remarks? Go on. I'm sure I've done something you can whine about like the waste of flesh you are. Surely someone can come and make a really insightful remark about the amount of times I've said fuck or the length of my posts. You know, something substantial.

Fuck me, what a waste of space.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,16:13   

Guys, there is still tard to be mocked and lolcats to be inflicted.

Let's get our priorities right, ok?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,16:34   

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… and the war broke out. Indeed, the war itself will be regarded by the future historian as an incident in that process which could not overcome the resistance offered to it by the human factor (the imbecility and greed and prejudice of the individual financiers and diplomats) except by force. The result, however, will be that taught by experience of this terrible conflict, the personae dramatis will take up the broken thread and, freed from their imbecility and greed and prejudice, …
(From here )

Will my prayers be honoured?

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ETA: I posted only the quote I found when googling for a correct synonym: "To bury the hatchet". That's what I am 'praying' for.

Edited by Quack on May 25 2012,06:31

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rhmc



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,18:08   

Quote (Amadan @ May 24 2012,17:13)
Guys, there is still tard to be mocked and lolcats to be inflicted.

Let's get our priorities right, ok?

not all tard is TARD but all of it needs to be mocked.

  
rhmc



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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,18:08   

Quote (Louis @ May 24 2012,16:59)
Quote (rhmc @ May 24 2012,20:50)
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ May 24 2012,11:53)
So, still not answered, how did Abbie done fuck good?

for something louis doesn't want to talk about, he sure spends a lot of time talking about it.

Oh sorry, was I posting above my approved limit?

Am I talking about Elevatorgate? No.

Am I talking about talking about Elevatorgate with people I think incapable of talking about it sensibly? Yes.

Does this difference escape a simpleton like you? Yes.

Did I start this? No.

Did I refuse to accept my answer that I am fucked off to the back teeth with the topic and not bothering with certain people on the topic? No.

Are you just a pointless shit stain lacking both the intellectual ability and courage to do anything but snipe because your likkle fee fees are bruised? Why that would be a yes. How about you fuck off.

Got any other "clever" remarks? Go on. I'm sure I've done something you can whine about like the waste of flesh you are. Surely someone can come and make a really insightful remark about the amount of times I've said fuck or the length of my posts. You know, something substantial.

Fuck me, what a waste of space.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,19:27   

Quote (OgreMkV @ May 24 2012,08:25)
Wow.

I had a much longer reply written, but it's obviously not worth it.

I agree.  I had thought about saying something, but watching the meltdown in progress is just too fascinating.  

Do what I do - shake your head, grab the popcorn, and let the melodrama flow.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,21:14   

Quote (Louis @ May 24 2012,13:59)
 
Quote (rhmc @ May 24 2012,20:50)
 
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ May 24 2012,11:53)
So, still not answered, how did Abbie done fuck good?

for something louis doesn't want to talk about, he sure spends a lot of time talking about it.

Oh sorry, was I posting above my approved limit?

Am I talking about Elevatorgate? No.

Am I talking about talking about Elevatorgate with people I think incapable of talking about it sensibly? Yes.

Does this difference escape a simpleton like you? Yes.

Did I start this? No.

Did I refuse to accept my answer that I am fucked off to the back teeth with the topic and not bothering with certain people on the topic? No.

Are you just a pointless shit stain lacking both the intellectual ability and courage to do anything but snipe because your likkle fee fees are bruised? Why that would be a yes. How about you fuck off.

Got any other "clever" remarks? Go on. I'm sure I've done something you can whine about like the waste of flesh you are. Surely someone can come and make a really insightful remark about the amount of times I've said fuck or the length of my posts. You know, something substantial.

Fuck me, what a waste of space.

Louis

Louis said:

"Am I talking about Elevatorgate? No.

Am I talking about talking about Elevatorgate with people I think incapable of talking about it sensibly? Yes."

So, you're being nitpicky on that point, but when rhmc said...

"srsly?  ell oh fuckin' ell.

is that pz's version of "crossing the street" or is he just a chickenshit?

pretty funny.  abbie could have some fun with that.  i certainly would."

...you read something into his comments that no one with a clue would have done, and when rhmc pointed out that he "indicated nothing about your support or lack thereof for pz's position", which is true and honest, what did you do? Did you 'honestly' and 'sensibly' realize and admit that what you read into his words is wrong? Did you 'discuss' it 'honestly' and 'sensibly', or did you make an erroneous assumption and then blast him?

And then, when rhmc said...

"for something louis doesn't want to talk about, he sure spends a lot of time talking about it."

...how did you respond?

You like to be nitpicky when it comes to words, so let's take a nitpicky look at his words. He didn't specifically say that you are spending a lot of time talking about "Elevatorgate", and he didn't say that you are doing so in your recent comments in this thread on this site. And for all you know he was referring to the talking you've done about Abbie's fuckups, or elevatorgate, or talking about elevatorgate, or talking about 'Abbie's fuckups', or talking about talking about talking about talking, on this site and/or other sites, throughout the whole big stink about it all. He MAY have meant that you are talking a lot about elevatorgate, or Abbie's fuckups, and he MAY have meant that you are talking a lot about them here and now, but you don't know that. You could have asked him what he specifically meant, and you could have 'discussed' it honestly and sensibly but you instead assumed something, went on a rampage, and are acting like a joe g clone.

You obviously get thoroughly pissed when people 'assume' things or make comments that aren't what you think are nitpickingly accurate and honest in regard to your words and actions, but you're doing EXACTLY those things when you address others. For someone who nitpickingly expects others to perceive your words and actions with anal retentive precision and no assumptions, and who says they're so concerned with honest and sensible discussion, you've got a helluva a lot to learn about honestly, sensibly, and charitably perceiving and addressing others.

You would do well to ASK questions and be clear on what other people are saying before going off like an atom bomb, and when you make erroneous assumptions and it's clearly pointed out to you you'd be wise to admit your mistakes and not keep digging a hole.

It seems to me that there's a similarity in how you're responding and the way the woman in the elevator responded to that situation. Maybe you should both take up writing soap opera scripts.


I'll remind you that you have talked a lot about "Elevatorgate" and/or 'Abbie's fuckups', whatever they allegedly are, not only on this site but on other sites too. Just because you say that that's not what you're talking about right now doesn't mean that you aren't talking about them in some way right now or that you haven't talked a lot about them, including more specifically, on this site and others in the recent past.  



FYI: I read some of the "Elevatorgate" stuff awhile back but haven't kept up with it and I don't remember who "Abbie" is (by name anyway). Based on what I read, my opinion is that the woman in the elevator is a paranoid drama queen. I can't imagine why a woman would get bent out of shape just because a guy invites her to his room for coffee, or a drink, or whatever it was that he offered. It's no wonder that many men won't approach women with friendly offers, even though many women wonder why men won't approach them, and want men to approach them (well, certain men anyway). Does anyone remember the skit on SNL with Tom Brady in briefs?

I can't help but wonder if the woman in the elevator would have been upset if the guy had been Tom Brady, or Pierce Brosnan, or Brad Pitt. And if it had been one of those guys or someone similar, and she had reacted the way she did, I wonder how different all the talk about the situation would be.

Overall, to me, she made a huge deal out of nothing, and should have kept the whole thing to herself. If that's all it takes for her to be offended and to make a public stink about it, then she has lead a very sheltered life and needs to get out more.

And since I'm stating some opinions I might as well state my opinion about FTB, or at least on what the initials "FTB" stand for: Banning people JUST for disagreeing is bullshit, and while I agree with some of the things PZ Meyers says I think that he is a hypocrite, a jerk, and a drama queen in some important ways.

Edited by The whole truth on May 24 2012,19:20

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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,21:36   

I had to Google 'Tom Brady'.

I thought it was that bloke in the new Batman but it turns out he's an American Hand-Egg player.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,22:02   

Quote (Woodbine @ May 24 2012,21:36)
I had to Google 'Tom Brady'.

I thought it was that bloke in the new Batman but it turns out he's an American Hand-Egg player.

An oldie but a goodie:  Brady

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