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Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,06:42    I guess right now Jon Garvey is feeling like a lesbian or gay teenager whose parents have finally allowed them to participate in a Christopher Street Day parade. Quote After all, ID has always been a matter of “hearts and minds”. Design can never be proven, but merely demonstrated to be the only alternative to ridiculously low probabilities. It is partly because evolution seems (sociologically) so plausible everywhere that non-biologists have been generally cool to ID. If human technology evolves, why shouldn’t life? But if technology (and the rest of human enterprise) is recovered for intentionality, teleology becomes a truly global rival to evolution. Thank you, Daddy Fuller! -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,06:46    Quote (Bob O'H @ July 16 2012,19:54) Quote And don't forget, 'Though Darwin titled his book “The Origin of Species,” little in the book, in fact, addresses the question of how new species arise.'  In a way, she's right.  The title page, for instance, has very little to do with how new species arise except that it says it's about the Origin of Species. In fairness, it's quite well known that The Origin of Species doesn't say a lot about the actual process of speciation. Unfortunately we evolutionary biologists have to stick to Darwin's Holy Word, so we can't even begin to look for an explanation for speciation. One Irish scientist (Al O'Patrick) claimed to have worked on it, but nobody he didn't get much sympatry for his views. That does seem to be a problem for Darwin. If he had have begun with Genisis it would have been a lot easier. In teh begining there was ...um like a teh designer who like had a few days tens of billions of years off from designing actually doing the big bang and waiting for teh earth to cool about 7 billion years when later on one fine day he thought why not create something his own image. Pity that image didn't record in said image the details of the primorial lungs that created the Abrahamic puff. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,07:17    Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 22 2012,14:42) I guess right now Jon Garvey is feeling like a lesbian or gay teenager whose parents have finally allowed them to participate in a Christopher Street Day parade.   Quote After all, ID has always been a matter of “hearts and minds”. Design can never be proven, but merely demonstrated to be the only alternative to ridiculously low probabilities. It is partly because evolution seems (sociologically) so plausible everywhere that non-biologists have been generally cool to ID. If human technology evolves, why shouldn’t life? But if technology (and the rest of human enterprise) is recovered for intentionality, teleology becomes a truly global rival to evolution. Thank you, Daddy Fuller! teleopathy? Isn't that the Madam Blavatsky in the machine?? Buggy rides, creationism and nostalgia must still have a place somewhere. Monserrat? ETA: Primordial eruptions excused of course. Pumice, brimstone, voodoo not to mention necromancy, sorcery, thaumaturgy being the watch words of ID must cause some concern amongst it's high priests when relagated to the witchy world of teh triangle. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,07:50    Gordo:   Quote So, the systemic fraud — at top level the folks pushing this must know or at minimum full well should know better — has to be exposed and enough people with common sense have to walk away and create independent education efforts. Hence, my IOSE. That is a public education effort, but it depends on actually having a reasonable alternative scientific approach that corrects the blunders and removes the blinders, also exposing unethical behaviour. So far, we have not got to science. Tard. Let's have a look at Gordon E Mulling's science then.   Quote Also, we must make a painful footnote on Darwin himself. For, it is indisputable on the facts of Chs 5 - 7 of Descent of Man, that Darwin was indeed one of the first Social Darwinists; e.g. arguing that natural selection explains how Saxons [[= Englishmen] dominate Celts [[= Irish] and Scots. Similarly, in a July 3, 1881 letter to William Graham, he cited how natural selection explained how Europeans beat the Turks “hollow” in previous centuries of struggle. Worst of all, in Ch 6 of Descent, he coolly predicted that by natural selection the more advanced races would wipe out the “inferior” ones such as Negroes and Australians in the centuries to come. Gordon makes sure no backsisies however and adds:   Quote (Nor will angry dismissals and distractive retorts or attempts to assert immoral equivalency etc. change such painful facts.) That's right Gordon, nothing will ever change your "facts", they are as immutable as your bibble. Or perhaps that's not a good example. Gordon finally gets to the science (this is directly after the above):   Quote In our civilisation, some form of theism seems the most likely alternative. So, we must now begin to glimpse the focus of the next section, on origins science in society. For, a common response by evolutionary materialists to the is-ought gap, is to now pose an objection to theistic morality, the Euthyphro dilemma: Blah blah blah. Tard. So there you go. Gordon's scientific alternative to Darwinism is theism. And he calls it science all the way. I guess he really can't see the difference. Perhaps he should go live in a country where his religion is not the dominant one and not even tolerated and see how far his protestations of "but there were like 200 people at the cave and eyewitnesses don't lie" get him. Then he'll find out what persecution is. Hey, Gordon, you say this:   Quote In short, too much of science has been taken captive by a priori materialism joined to scientism. Remind me again who is stopping you doing science? I think it's you, right? If you stopped writing tens of thousands of words every day you could free some of that captive science and show everybody how to do it? Unless there is a big flaw at the heart of your worldview that is. But it can't be that, can it? And who is stopping Gordon doing science, there are ID journals out there desperate for content! I mean, Gordo, you can just c+p in a few thousand words and submit right now, you've been working on it all for years! Edited by oldmanintheskydidntdoit on July 22 2012,07:51 -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,08:37    Quote That is a public education effort, but it depends on actually having a reasonable alternative scientific approach that corrects the blunders and removes the blinders, also exposing unethical behaviour. Scientific unethical behavior on Montserrat? That sounds unscientific. What ever happened to the rum economy? Depends who you talk to. Quote St. Johns Travel Report Dated Added: Tue Jun 19 2007 Submitted by: Real Island Man I am sorry to say that Montserrat has little to no action available on the island. Since construction on the miniature sized airport has ended, and the ferry service was stopped, there are only two places to go. I'm not sure of the names, but one is the karaoke bar behind Rams market, and the other one is located in festival village. Sadly the action only happens around payday at the end of the month. The reason there are very few girls available on the island is that the government is very very very corrupt. During the construction of the airport, things were good on the island, and there were plenty of opportunities for girls and everyone else to make money. Now that the only available access to the island is by Carib Air, or Montserrat Air. It's quite expensive, and prohibitive to the people. If the Government would get off its duff, they could have more tourist action, which would bring more girls back to the island paradise. (Review # 19634) Strip Club Review Dated Added: Thu Jan 24 2002 Submitted by: Ash If you ever happen to find yourself in the island paradise of Monserrat there are two clubs that I highly recommend! The first one is club wildfire on the sufriere, just a cabbie, he'll take you there. The club has about 20 to 30 girls all 8-10s. Although it technically is a strip club all the girls can be arranged to go to your hotel room with you for $60. Even better is the Coconut Hut off of Chance's peak...once again...ask a cabbie. The girls there will go for $50 and most are equally attractive. I spent three days there and every day I came back to my room with a gorgeous lady. I highly recommend Magenta at the Coconut Hut she could suck a golf ball through a garden hose and she takes her time! I hope you enjoy this island paradise as much as I have! Happy hunting! (Review # 4946) -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,09:03    Quote (BillB @ July 21 2012,01:45) Anyone care to place bets on whick UD regular will be first to blame the cinema shootings on Darwin? Denyse gives it a try: Quote Doesn’t it say volumes that some people think anyone who actually has information WAS blaming Darwin? In those mass murders where Darwin has been blamed, the accused was actually invoking Darwin himself.  See for example, the Columbine massacre, the Finnish school shooter, Jeffrey Dahmer’s crimes, and Anders Breivik’s widely unnoticed interest in Darwin. They said it. That’s the reason Darwin was blamed. No one was making up what the accuseds said. So why are some rushing already to exonerate Darwin … ? Do they believe that the accused in the Aurora case will in fact turn out to have channelled Darwin, as investigators unravel the tragedy? That wouldn’t be unusual, as the record shows, but hardly necessary. It matters when that is true because ideas have consequences. So what does that mean - there is no evidence right now, but who knows what might be discovered later? UD link -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,10:00    Quote But if technology (and the rest of human enterprise) is recovered for intentionality, teleology becomes a truly global rival to evolution. Can anyone parse this for me? Off topic, by why are the bars in Montserrat stocked with 8-10 year old girls? Or is it 8-10 mya? :p -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,10:31    Quote That’s because it’s outside the worldview of those communities, assuming as they do a naturalistic way of thinking that includes all the betes noirs like methodological naturalism, the undirectedness evolution, the determinism of natural law and so on. We are blind, usually, to whatever lies outside our worldview. It just seems implausible – which is why you might find good evidence for demon possession (for example), and even get it published, but make no ripples on the landscape of scientific thought – simply because demons are invisible nowadays. Not true, Jon Garvey! -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

Badger3k Posts: 861 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,10:31    Quote (midwifetoad @ July 22 2012,10:00) Off topic, by why are the bars in Montserrat stocked with 8-10 year old girls? To give Rush Limbaugh a place to go for fun? :O -------------- "Just think if every species had a different genetic code We would have to eat other humans to survive.." : Joe G

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,10:39    Quote (midwifetoad @ July 22 2012,10:00)   Quote But if technology (and the rest of human enterprise) is recovered for intentionality, teleology becomes a truly global rival to evolution. Can anyone parse this for me? Off topic, by why are the bars in Montserrat stocked with 8-10 year old girls? Or is it 8-10 mya? :p More to the point, where can Gordo get fifty or sixty dollars?

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,11:01    Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 22 2012,09:03)   Quote (BillB @ July 21 2012,01:45) Anyone care to place bets on whick UD regular will be first to blame the cinema shootings on Darwin? Denyse gives it a try:     Quote Doesn’t it say volumes that some people think anyone who actually has information WAS blaming Darwin? In those mass murders where Darwin has been blamed, the accused was actually invoking Darwin himself.  See for example, the Columbine massacre, the Finnish school shooter, Jeffrey Dahmer’s crimes, and Anders Breivik’s widely unnoticed interest in Darwin. They said it. That’s the reason Darwin was blamed. No one was making up what the accuseds said. So why are some rushing already to exonerate Darwin … ? Do they believe that the accused in the Aurora case will in fact turn out to have channelled Darwin, as investigators unravel the tragedy? That wouldn’t be unusual, as the record shows, but hardly necessary. It matters when that is true because ideas have consequences. So what does that mean - there is no evidence right now, but who knows what might be discovered later? UD link From Townhall: " Friends from his high school years described him as someone who was very much involved in his church's youth group." Hat tip to Denise for the link.   http://townhall.com/columni....ed_evil

Aardvark Posts: 134 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,11:06    Quote (midwifetoad @ July 22 2012,10:00) Quote Quote But if technology (and the rest of human enterprise) is recovered for intentionality, teleology becomes a truly global rival to evolution. Can anyone parse this for me? No. Quote Off topic, by why are the bars in Montserrat stocked with 8-10 year old girls? Or is it 8-10 mya? :p "8-10s" is how the reviewer rates the females in question out of 10.

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,11:14    Quote (midwifetoad @ July 22 2012,10:00) Quote But if technology (and the rest of human enterprise) is recovered for intentionality, teleology becomes a truly global rival to evolution. Can anyone parse this for me? In that thread, they lament the fact that people think technology has been evolving over centuries. But if they accept that technology is the product of design ... -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,11:16    This is too good to let go:   Quote Ever since Darwin called for skeptics to prove his speculative ideas wrong this strategy of shifting the burden of proof has been a favorite of evolutionists. Darwin wrote:        If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down. But I can find out no such case. Christian Darwinists sometimes cite this passage as evidence that Darwinism could be confuted and therefore is believed because of evidence. As Hunter puts it,    But this was hardly a concession. Darwin may sound generous here, allowing that his theory would “absolutely break down,” but his requirement for such a failure is no less than impossible. For no one can show that an organ “could not possibly” have been formed in such a way. So in short order Darwin reduced what seemed to be a dilemma for his theory into a logical truism. Evolution was protected from criticism and all that was needed to explain complexity was a clever thought experiment. Darwin so lowered the requirements that anyone with a pen and a vivid imagination can now claim to have solved the problem of complexity. .... Consider Darwin’s “could not possibly”challenge. No sane person actually uses such a standard. It is possible to make up a scenario by which anyone could have done anything or by which anything could have just happened by chance. But sane people use “balance of probabilities” (civil courts) or “beyond reasonable doubt” (criminal courts). Consider Dr. Dr. William Dembski and his Explanitory Filter.  If it wasn't caused by chance and it wasn't caused by law, then it "could not possibly" be done by materialistic means, therefore Jesus.  QED. Edited to add: Or consider Dr. Michael Behe and Irreducible Complexity - if an organ "could not possibly" have formed by the stepwise addition of parts, then Jesus.  QED again. Edited by CeilingCat on July 22 2012,11:20

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,11:39    Quote (midwifetoad @ July 22 2012,08:00) Quote But if technology (and the rest of human enterprise) is recovered for intentionality, teleology becomes a truly global rival to evolution. Can anyone parse this for me? Expanding on Kattarina's comment: He's using 'intentionality' in the non-technical sense. He seems to think that 'intentional' (i.e. 'designed')  and 'evolved' are mutually exclusive categories, and that technology has been lost to the 'evolved' category. When it is reclaimed as 'intentional', the world will flock to design as an explanation for everything: Quote It is partly because evolution seems (sociologically) so plausible everywhere that non-biologists have been generally cool to ID. If human technology evolves, why shouldn’t life? But if technology (and the rest of human enterprise) is recovered for intentionality, teleology becomes a truly global rival to evolution. In other words, Garvey is a tard. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

iconofid Posts: 32 Joined: July 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,11:42    Quote (CeilingCat @ July 22 2012,10:39)   Quote (midwifetoad @ July 22 2012,10:00)     Quote But if technology (and the rest of human enterprise) is recovered for intentionality, teleology becomes a truly global rival to evolution. Can anyone parse this for me? Off topic, by why are the bars in Montserrat stocked with 8-10 year old girls? Or is it 8-10 mya? :p More to the point, where can Gordo get fifty or sixty dollars? More to the point, even if he took it out of the collection plate, even Magenta, who can suck a golf ball through a garden hose, might not consent to blow the world's biggest windbag at that price.

BillB Posts: 388 Joined: Aug. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,12:33    Quote (REC @ July 21 2012,15:19) Quote (The whole truth @ July 21 2012,03:47) Quote (didymos @ July 21 2012,00:27)   Quote (BillB @ July 20 2012,23:45) Anyone care to place bets on whick UD regular will be first to blame the cinema shootings on Darwin? Barrogant.  He's always gotten a ghoulish delight out of these things. Plus, it happened in Colorado. You're likely right, although it wouldn't surprise me if o'leary beats him to it. And of course mullings will chime in at some point and blame it on "Darwinism", methodological naturalism, evolutionary materialism, and the 'de-christianization' of the USA. I'm sure that arrington is also thinking of how to make money off the situation by suing somebody. He probably rushed to the scene, chased the ambulances, and handed out his business card to the survivors. I'm sure Barry is looking for something to thrust him back into the limelight. Going from Columbine lawyer to sleazy debt-collection agency has to hurt.... Quote Barry K. Arrington Law Office is currently seeking a Full-time collector/skip tracer. .... $9/hr ... Qualifications: Must be at least 18 yrs old Link Quote Turns out they say I owe a loan I paid off in 2010--basically twice as much as the original loan. It is from some attorney BARRY K. ARRINGTON LAW OFFICE .   ...   I received a call twice and was told that if I don't respond they will assume I am NOT cooperating and will press charges I have contacted an Alaskan attorney since I paid this debt off. They have been harrassing me at work and I sent a letter to discontinue under the Fair Debt Collection Act.  They still call every day regardless. Link http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....assacre

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,13:04    Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 22 2012,11:14)   Quote (midwifetoad @ July 22 2012,10:00)     Quote But if technology (and the rest of human enterprise) is recovered for intentionality, teleology becomes a truly global rival to evolution. Can anyone parse this for me? In that thread, they lament the fact that people think technology has been evolving over centuries. But if they accept that technology is the product of design ... And omit to notice that no-one but ID advocates gives a shit about lessons from the technological world for biological evolution. -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,13:23    I love those Fuller-inspired threads. Remember when some UD denizens took guests from BioLogos to task about their liberal interpretation of the Bible? Some even wanted them to accept Teh Fludd and the young age of the Earth. And now Gregory admonishes them to witness. This is sooo sweeet! -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,16:14    Quote But if they accept that technology is the product of design ... Only one percent, according to Edison, the father of the invention factory. I once had an argument with a denizen of UD who refused to believe the light bulb took well over a hundred years to bring to market. How are they going to cover up the tedious trial and error that goes into inventions? -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,17:17    Bartax speaks truth to power impotence: Quote Quote This is a case of ill-informed, assertive hostility and outright slander in action. No it isn’t you windbag. Since kairosfocus is, in actual fact, a windbag, surely Bartax can't be banned for pointing it out?

NormOlsen Posts: 104 Joined: Nov. 2011 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,20:05    KF announces a new ID course being offered by Trinity College of Florida. Let's take a look at the mission statement of Trinity College:   Quote Mission & Goals The mission of Trinity College of Florida is to equip men and women for Christian service to the church and all humanity through effective Biblical, Professional and General Education leading to associate and baccalaureate degrees. The goals for achieving this mission are: 1. Spiritual - to orient, motivate, and lead students to Christian maturity and spiritual depth; 2. Academic - to provide an understanding of the Bible as the basis for Christian life and thought within the context of the College statement of faith and to introduce students to the Western intellectual tradition; 3. Intellectual - to develop in students the ability for critical analysis and to motivate in them a desire for continuing intellectual pursuits; 4. Professional - to produce graduates competent for Christian service to humanity in the areas of their individual choices. Trinity College of Florida believes that the Bible should be at the heart and core of all training and is the standard for evaluating all claims to knowledge. The Bible, as the inspired Word of God, is instrumental in thoroughly equipping God’s servants for ministry. This philosophy is reflected in the wide range of Bible and theology courses offered. The College believes that the Bible is the only framework within which a consistent, effective, and productive worldview, lifestyle, and life of service to God and humanity can be maintained. Intelligent Design: It's all about the science!

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,21:14    And where did KF get the  news from? Evolution News & Views of course. Discovery Institute: All Science So Far! -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 23 2012,01:08    This is pitiful.  Barry "Law of Non-Contradiction" Arrington suddenly decides that contradictions are a-ok after all... as long as you're talking about God: Quote God is powerful enough to combine apparent contradictions in his person.  He is three, yet he is only one.  He is both immanent and transcendent.  He is sovereign, omniscient, omnipotent; yet despite the evil that exists in the universe he created, he is also omni-benevolent.  It never ceases to amaze me that skeptics are surprised when they are unable to fit God into neat human categories.  But if we could understand God completely, would we not be gods ourselves?  I know I am no god, so I am unsurprised to find that I cannot comprehend God in his fullness or understand fully how such contradictions can be combined in him.  Nevertheless, I am quite certain they are. That post is a textbook example of how faith addles the mind. Barry, ban yourself. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 23 2012,01:55    Quote (olegt @ July 22 2012,21:14) And where did KF get the  news from? Evolution News & Views of course. Discovery Institute: All Science So Far! And of course, you will have to buy three books to take this course - and two of them are by the professor giving the course.  (Currently on sale - both for $15.00!) I think the full title of the course is, "Moving a Pile of Remaindered books through Darwinism and Intelligent Design" Link

BillB Posts: 388 Joined: Aug. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 23 2012,03:08    Quote (keiths @ July 23 2012,07:08) This is pitiful.  Barry "Law of Non-Contradiction" Arrington suddenly decides that contradictions are a-ok after all... as long as you're talking about God: Quote God is powerful enough to combine apparent contradictions in his person.  He is three, yet he is only one.  He is both immanent and transcendent.  He is sovereign, omniscient, omnipotent; yet despite the evil that exists in the universe he created, he is also omni-benevolent.  It never ceases to amaze me that skeptics are surprised when they are unable to fit God into neat human categories.  But if we could understand God completely, would we not be gods ourselves?  I know I am no god, so I am unsurprised to find that I cannot comprehend God in his fullness or understand fully how such contradictions can be combined in him.  Nevertheless, I am quite certain they are. That post is a textbook example of how faith addles the mind. Barry, ban yourself. All this means is that anyone challenged about their belief the law of non-contradick'sn can simply quote Barry when replying 'NO'

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 23 2012,03:47    Quote (keiths @ July 23 2012,01:08) This is pitiful.  Barry "Law of Non-Contradiction" Arrington suddenly decides that contradictions are a-ok after all... as long as you're talking about God:   Quote God is powerful enough to combine apparent contradictions in his person.  He is three, yet he is only one.  He is both immanent and transcendent.  He is sovereign, omniscient, omnipotent; yet despite the evil that exists in the universe he created, he is also omni-benevolent.  It never ceases to amaze me that skeptics are surprised when they are unable to fit God into neat human categories.  But if we could understand God completely, would we not be gods ourselves?  I know I am no god, so I am unsurprised to find that I cannot comprehend God in his fullness or understand fully how such contradictions can be combined in him.  Nevertheless, I am quite certain they are. That post is a textbook example of how faith addles the mind. Barry, ban yourself. "Quod licet Iovi non licet bovi". It's knitted in their sweaters and embroidered in their handkerchiefs. -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 23 2012,03:49    Quote (Patrick @ July 22 2012,15:17) Bartax speaks truth to power impotence: Quote Quote This is a case of ill-informed, assertive hostility and outright slander in action. No it isn’t you windbag. Since kairosfocus is, in actual fact, a windbag, surely Bartax can't be banned for pointing it out? Well, stating facts and truth is a banning offense at UD, but projectile vomiting insane, arrogant, two-faced, dishonest, sanctimonious bullshit is welcome. For example: "25 kairosfocusJuly 22, 2012 at 7:15 pm F/N: It seems that it needs to be explicitly pointed out to those of the ilk of Cooper and Myers, that if one has slandered, a retraction and apology are matters of common decency and basic broughtupcy. And, BT, slander is not mere disagreement, cf. the exchange with TIL above. As in, slander implies willful, irresponsible or knowing false accusation that hopes to profit from the falsehood being perceived as truth, to the detriment of others. A gross failure of duties of care to the truth and to fairness. Where, habitual utter disregard for such duties of care — which at certain threshold is actionable under tort, FYI — points to the massive unbridgeable IS-OUGHT gap, resulting moral bankruptcy and invitation to nihilism that lie in the heart of evolutionary materialism. Cf Plato on this, 2350 years ago. KF" There is no god. If there were, gordo would now be fried from a massive bolt of lightning. In fact, he would have been annihilated long ago and his wicked 'soul' would have been sent straight to hell for eternity. Sometimes I wish that "God" did exist. ;) Hey gordo, I know that you read this thread, so tell me, what do you think your god should do to you for the numerous lies you tell? Like your lies about me threatening you and your family "mafioso-style"? That's a libelous lie, gordo. Yeah, libelous, not slanderous. Slander is oral, libel is written, and your lies about me are in writing. And since you keep repeating that irresponsible, indecent, unfair, willful, morally bankrupt, habitual utter disregard for the truth, and gross failure of duties of care to the truth, and knowing false accusation that hopes to profit from the falsehood being perceived as truth, to the detriment of others (me), what do you think a court would do if I were to bring a tort claim against you for your libelous lack of basic broughtupcy? Tell you what gordo, you sue "the ilk" of Cooper and Myers and I'll sue you, and we'll see who prevails, okay? I'll be generous and advise you that the truth is an effective defense against a libel suit, so you'll have a HUGE problem showing that the "the ilk" of Cooper and Myers have libeled you. On the other hand, you would have no truthful defense against my libel claim since you have no evidence of the threats that you falsely accuse me of, and I do have written evidence of your false accusations. How much money/property do you have gordo? If it's enough I'll get the suit going and take it from you, with pleasure. And of course I'll ask the court to order you to retract your false accusations and apologize profusely and publicly. What do you say you lying windbag, are you ready to rumble in a court of law? -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 23 2012,04:10    Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 23 2012,01:47) Quote (keiths @ July 23 2012,01:08) This is pitiful.  Barry "Law of Non-Contradiction" Arrington suddenly decides that contradictions are a-ok after all... as long as you're talking about God:   Quote God is powerful enough to combine apparent contradictions in his person.  He is three, yet he is only one.  He is both immanent and transcendent.  He is sovereign, omniscient, omnipotent; yet despite the evil that exists in the universe he created, he is also omni-benevolent.  It never ceases to amaze me that skeptics are surprised when they are unable to fit God into neat human categories.  But if we could understand God completely, would we not be gods ourselves?  I know I am no god, so I am unsurprised to find that I cannot comprehend God in his fullness or understand fully how such contradictions can be combined in him.  Nevertheless, I am quite certain they are. That post is a textbook example of how faith addles the mind. Barry, ban yourself. "Quod licet Iovi non licet bovi". It's knitted in their sweaters and embroidered in their handkerchiefs. And 'pia fraus' should be tattooed on their foreheads. -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 23 2012,04:42    Quote (iconofid @ July 22 2012,19:42) Quote (CeilingCat @ July 22 2012,10:39)   Quote (midwifetoad @ July 22 2012,10:00)       Quote But if technology (and the rest of human enterprise) is recovered for intentionality, teleology becomes a truly global rival to evolution. Can anyone parse this for me? Off topic, by why are the bars in Montserrat stocked with 8-10 year old girls? Or is it 8-10 mya? :p More to the point, where can Gordo get fifty or sixty dollars? More to the point, even if he took it out of the collection plate, even Magenta, who can suck a golf ball through a garden hose, might not consent to blow the world's biggest windbag at that price. What about a spanking? Still, if he couldn't cough up a Benjamin to put her over his knee, poor Magenta misses another dinner. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

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