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Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2016,02:50    Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 15 2016,19:22) I know there's a lot of competition for the title of "dumbest thing ever said on UD".  But this from  PaV is a strong contender.     Quote As to “Using the methods of evolutionary biology . . . ” this only means that they know the mutation rate of the virus and they compare sequences. Has HIV become a squid? No. It only changes here and there. That’s not evolution. That’s change. Heh, AhmedKiaan's reaction to PaV in full:   Quote Holey moley. -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2016,09:03    So according to PAV/Duesberg the Africans are the world's biggest amyll freaks. Who knew?

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2016,13:16    Are chemtrails next? -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2016,17:36    Quote (khan @ Oct. 15 2016,11:16) Are chemtrails next? Cattle mutilations. In crop circles. Under power lines. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2016,21:19    Quote (fnxtr @ Oct. 15 2016,15:36)   Quote (khan @ Oct. 15 2016,11:16) Are chemtrails next? Cattle mutilations. In crop circles. Under power lines. Soaked in fluoridated water. -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2016,22:05    Quote 56 rvb8October 15, 2016 at 6:53 pm I am always impressed by the boundless energy of your posts. How you are able to sweep world history, current events,Stalin (where’s Hitler?), evolution, and philosophy, into an ideological grab bag of fear and intolerance. This narrative is currently destroying Trump; you might want to dial down the fanatacism, it’s spooky. That goes for BA as well. There is an editors note prefacing your contribution here, explaining that as an organisation with tax breaks linked to their impartiality regarding political discourse, they are not allowed to show preferrance for one candidate or the other. Unfortunately this is what it is, a bald faced lie. This organization, and you, are Trump officianados, are you not? Remember, lying is a sin! When I read yur posts on the immanent collapse of western culture, via the invasion of Islam, and increased abortion, I wonder if you actually believe this. I do agree with you however, the world is indeed doomed. Not by the failing, flayling West however, but by our evolved sense of entitlement, our greed, our callous disregard for human life, and our callous disregard for the misery we inflict on unwanted children; abortion as a means of sustaining humanity. Yes TWSYF, I am indeed a small cat! I would not die for my flag, country, or religion (I have none). But I would die (I hope I have the courage) die for an idea, such as those written in your constitution, everything else, god, religion, faith etc is small besides. Finally, let me help you with Plato, you seem to have an overly confused grasp, of a very simple metaphor. “Education and knowledge set you free, when these are retarded or forbidden, uninformed misery ensues.” hehehe

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2016,01:12    Rvb8 is not not going to last much longer.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2016,15:25    Has anyone else been receiving notices that there is a message in the inbox, only to go there to find no message? The last one said I had a message from Stevestory with HIV as the subject.

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2016,15:43    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 17 2016,08:25) Has anyone else been receiving notices that there is a message in the inbox, only to go there to find no message? The last one said I had a message from Stevestory with HIV as the subject. Yeah, I got that too. The last real message I got was Nov 2012   -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

NoName Posts: 2729 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2016,15:53    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 16 2016,16:25) Has anyone else been receiving notices that there is a message in the inbox, only to go there to find no message? The last one said I had a message from Stevestory with HIV as the subject. Yup.  It's been reported in the Board Mechanics thread.  Apparently it's still a problem.  Several people have mentioned the issue. I sympathize with Wes, et al, trying to hunt down and kill the bug -- server emails setups are at best perverse and arcane.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2016,17:09    acartia, email me at stevestory at gmail please. :-D

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2016,05:22    When you're Dense and Dreary, some headlines just write themselves. Cambrian era “penis worm” fossil ancestor of all living arthropods?

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2016,08:58    Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 17 2016,13:22) When you're Dense and Dreary, some headlines just write themselves. Cambrian era “penis worm” fossil ancestor of all living arthropods? Jesus! Finally the Fundies found God planted 500 myo evidence rationalizing their support for Donald Trump. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2016,11:13    I guess it doesn't make sense to open another thread still you may be interested in Dembski's newest post Quote Official Retirement from Intelligent Design September 23, 2016 by Bill Dembski Two weeks ago, Sean McDowell interviewed me about the current state of intelligent design as an intellectual project and cultural movement. He and I had written a popular-audience book on ID about a decade ago. As someone no longer active in the field but still to some extent watching from the sidelines, I gave my impressions in the interview about the successes and failures of the ID movement. The reaction to that interview was understandably mixed (I was trying to be provocative), but it got me thinking that I really am retired from ID. I no longer work in the area. Moreover, the camaraderie I once experienced with colleagues and friends in the movement has largely dwindled. I’m not talking about any falling out. It’s simply that my life and interests have moved on. It’s as though ID was a season of my life and that season has passed. Earlier this month (September 10, 2016) I therefore resigned my formal associations with the ID community, including my Discovery Institute fellowship of 20 years. The one association I’m keeping is with Bob Marks’s Evolutionary Informatics Lab, but I see the work of that lab as more general than intelligent design, focusing on information-theoretic methods that apply widely and which I intend to apply in other contexts, especially to the theory of money and finance. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2016,12:31    Pav at his conspiracy theory best: Quote HIV was “discovered” in the early 80’s. Where’s the vaccine? Ebola was first discovered in 1976 and a vaccine is just now showing promise. Quote You have to use a specific process on cell cultures before you see any ‘virus’ at all. HIV testing ‘tests’ for the presence of ‘antigens,’ not isolation of the virus itself. As is the diagnostic approach for many viruses. Quote But they do. There’s HIV virus from the 20’s....But it didn’t become AIDS until it got to San Francisco in the 1980’s? Is that suppose to make any sense at all? Pave obviously does not know the difference between a virus (e.g., HIV) and its symptoms (e.g., Aquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). Quote IOW, if HIV starts in Africa and spreads to America, surely there would ‘outbreaks’ along the way, right? Well, where are they? My forehead and palm are getting sore. Quote Duesberg argues that HIV is a passenger virus and hurts no one, and that immune suppression comes from the use of poppers (amyl nitrate) and drug use. His theory has the advantage of explaining why we first see it in San Francisco and not halfway between Africa and the Bay Area. I didn't know that the millions infected in Africa were actually amyl nitrate abusers. Quote BTW, what “disease” does HIV ’cause’? Rubella produces rubella, and mumps produces mumps, and polio causes polio. What does HIV cause? If I had to guess, the Human Immunodeficiency Virus probably causes some type of human Aquired Immunodeficiency Disease Syndrome. But that is just a guess.

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2016,15:02    Quote (sparc @ Oct. 17 2016,11:13) I guess it doesn't make sense to open another thread still you may be interested in Dembski's newest post   Quote Official Retirement from Intelligent Design September 23, 2016 by Bill Dembski Two weeks ago, Sean McDowell interviewed me about the current state of intelligent design as an intellectual project and cultural movement. He and I had written a popular-audience book on ID about a decade ago. As someone no longer active in the field but still to some extent watching from the sidelines, I gave my impressions in the interview about the successes and failures of the ID movement. The reaction to that interview was understandably mixed (I was trying to be provocative), but it got me thinking that I really am retired from ID. I no longer work in the area. Moreover, the camaraderie I once experienced with colleagues and friends in the movement has largely dwindled. I’m not talking about any falling out. It’s simply that my life and interests have moved on. It’s as though ID was a season of my life and that season has passed. Earlier this month (September 10, 2016) I therefore resigned my formal associations with the ID community, including my Discovery Institute fellowship of 20 years. The one association I’m keeping is with Bob Marks’s Evolutionary Informatics Lab, but I see the work of that lab as more general than intelligent design, focusing on information-theoretic methods that apply widely and which I intend to apply in other contexts, especially to the theory of money and finance. Having explained everything in biology using ID principles, Dembski moves on to new regions to conquer. Other disciplines are crying out for "God did it" as the consequence of a powerful, yet simple, causal inference.  All areas of inquiry await the profundity of a Dembski. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

NoName Posts: 2729 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2016,15:22    Quote (Glen Davidson @ Oct. 17 2016,16:02) Quote (sparc @ Oct. 17 2016,11:13) I guess it doesn't make sense to open another thread still you may be interested in Dembski's newest post   Quote Official Retirement from Intelligent Design September 23, 2016 by Bill Dembski Two weeks ago, Sean McDowell interviewed me about the current state of intelligent design as an intellectual project and cultural movement. He and I had written a popular-audience book on ID about a decade ago. As someone no longer active in the field but still to some extent watching from the sidelines, I gave my impressions in the interview about the successes and failures of the ID movement. The reaction to that interview was understandably mixed (I was trying to be provocative), but it got me thinking that I really am retired from ID. I no longer work in the area. Moreover, the camaraderie I once experienced with colleagues and friends in the movement has largely dwindled. I’m not talking about any falling out. It’s simply that my life and interests have moved on. It’s as though ID was a season of my life and that season has passed. Earlier this month (September 10, 2016) I therefore resigned my formal associations with the ID community, including my Discovery Institute fellowship of 20 years. The one association I’m keeping is with Bob Marks’s Evolutionary Informatics Lab, but I see the work of that lab as more general than intelligent design, focusing on information-theoretic methods that apply widely and which I intend to apply in other contexts, especially to the theory of money and finance. Having explained everything in biology using ID principles, Dembski moves on to new regions to conquer. Other disciplines are crying out for "God did it" as the consequence of a powerful, yet simple, causal inference.  All areas of inquiry await the profundity of a Dembski. Glen Davidson Well, it's a pretty good trick to provide a causal explanation without mechanical details -- indeed, without a shred of mechanism of any sort. He's an embarrassment to the schools that granted him his doctorates.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2016,17:08    Re "He's an embarrassment to the schools that granted him his doctorates. " Only the ones that happen pay attention to his activities, if any of them do.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2016,19:09    Something to ponder on a Monday evening.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2016,10:43    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 17 2016,17:09) Something to ponder on a Monday evening. To be fair to UD, they have reported on every piece of ID research published this month. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2016,11:24    Quote (NoName @ Oct. 17 2016,23:22) Quote (Glen Davidson @ Oct. 17 2016,16:02) Quote (sparc @ Oct. 17 2016,11:13) I guess it doesn't make sense to open another thread still you may be interested in Dembski's newest post     Quote Official Retirement from Intelligent Design September 23, 2016 by Bill Dembski Two weeks ago, Sean McDowell interviewed me about the current state of intelligent design as an intellectual project and cultural movement. He and I had written a popular-audience book on ID about a decade ago. As someone no longer active in the field but still to some extent watching from the sidelines, I gave my impressions in the interview about the successes and failures of the ID movement. The reaction to that interview was understandably mixed (I was trying to be provocative), but it got me thinking that I really am retired from ID. I no longer work in the area. Moreover, the camaraderie I once experienced with colleagues and friends in the movement has largely dwindled. I’m not talking about any falling out. It’s simply that my life and interests have moved on. It’s as though ID was a season of my life and that season has passed. Earlier this month (September 10, 2016) I therefore resigned my formal associations with the ID community, including my Discovery Institute fellowship of 20 years. The one association I’m keeping is with Bob Marks’s Evolutionary Informatics Lab, but I see the work of that lab as more general than intelligent design, focusing on information-theoretic methods that apply widely and which I intend to apply in other contexts, especially to the theory of money and finance. Having explained everything in biology using ID principles, Dembski moves on to new regions to conquer. Other disciplines are crying out for "God did it" as the consequence of a powerful, yet simple, causal inference.  All areas of inquiry await the profundity of a Dembski. Glen Davidson Well, it's a pretty good trick to provide a causal explanation without mechanical details -- indeed, without a shred of mechanism of any sort. He's an embarrassment to the schools that granted him his doctorates. From Wikipedia, Dembski states: Quote "I'm not and never have been in the business of offering a strict mathematical proof for the inability of material mechanisms to generate specified complexity in the same way that no physicist is in the business of offering a strict mathematical proof for the conservation of energy." -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2016,11:51    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 17 2016,19:09) Something to ponder on a Monday evening. That should be Denyse O'Leary, not O'Reilly! O'Reilly are the people who publish the computer books with the animals on the front cover. Would the O'Reilly book on "Intelligent Design" have a priapulid worm on the cover? It would be most appropriate, since "[S]ome species show a remarkable tolerance for hydrogen sulfide and anoxia."

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2016,12:04    Quote (KevinB @ Oct. 18 2016,11:51) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 17 2016,19:09) Something to ponder on a Monday evening. That should be Denyse O'Leary, not O'Reilly! O'Reilly are the people who publish the computer books with the animals on the front cover. Would the O'Reilly book on "Intelligent Design" have a priapulid worm on the cover? It would be most appropriate, since "[S]ome species show a remarkable tolerance for hydrogen sulfide and anoxia." I guess that shows you how many of her postings I read. I also spelled Mullings' name wrong.

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2016,12:36    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 18 2016,12:04)   Quote (KevinB @ Oct. 18 2016,11:51)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 17 2016,19:09) Something to ponder on a Monday evening. That should be Denyse O'Leary, not O'Reilly! O'Reilly are the people who publish the computer books with the animals on the front cover. Would the O'Reilly book on "Intelligent Design" have a priapulid worm on the cover? It would be most appropriate, since "[S]ome species show a remarkable tolerance for hydrogen sulfide and anoxia." I guess that shows you how many of her postings I read. I also spelled Mullings' name wrong. The Colonel's lady and Denyse O'Leary are sisters under the skin.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2016,22:51    Quote Humans not special because some monkeys can flake tools? durr

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2016,23:19    Quote 3 rvb8October 19, 2016 at 5:05 pm News, this language and these targets are regrettably used by you, and your alter-ego, O’leary, too often! “the Ol’ Brit Toff”; Really? If you have a problem with the British aristocracy (and being from NZ, believe me, I do), then say so. This absurd hidden agenda of attacking the institution while hiding behind the individual is weird. You mention Meyer, Behe, Dembski, Gauger, Wells, ‘and many others’. Please, who are these, ‘many othrs’? I only hear these names parroted continuously, the ‘many others’ remain a mystery. Your attack on ‘Big Media’ is merely an attack on something you envy, that is plain, and not pretty to behold in any writer. This resentful predjudice is easy to detect. You say Lincoln should not be associated with Darwin, as one of these persons is incomparibly greater than the other. I agree! lol

timothya Posts: 280 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2016,00:24    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 19 2016,22:51) Quote Humans not special because some monkeys can flake tools? durr O'Leary manages to miss the point of the paper. It has nothing to do with the "specialness" of humans. It is pointing out that a particular kind of flake fracture, previously thought to be intentionally produced by early hominins, is produced accidentally by the monkeys, and should not be used as a behavioral diagnostic for the human lineage. In any case, her use of "not special" in the UD post title is mendacious when you notice that the article says "not unique" - an entirely reasonable conclusion from the evidence. -------------- "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread." Anatole France

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2016,10:31    Of course we're unique. Just like everybody else!

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2016,14:17    Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 20 2016,10:31) Of course we're unique. Just like everybody else! We are all individuals

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2016,17:01    WARNING...WARNING...WARNING. TURN OFF YOU IRONY METER BEFORE PROCEEDING. Quote NewsOctober 20, 2016 at 2:30 pm I’ll be back with ID-relevant news soon. Stuck on slow on an unrelated job earlier today. Don't say I didn't warn you.

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