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JonF



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(Permalink) Posted: May 25 2016,15:56   

WTF is up with TSZ and Talk Rational? Is some hacker breaking DB connections on pro-reality sites?

  
Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: May 25 2016,19:34   

Quote (JonF @ May 25 2016,15:56)
WTF is up with TSZ and Talk Rational? Is some hacker breaking DB connections on pro-reality sites?


I was just about to post a question asking if anyone knew what the details were re:TalkRational. Dave probably thinks Jesus brought the hammer down because he got shoved into the "closet of truth". Good Lord that boy is one narcissistic ASSclown.

I haven't had any issues reading TSZ, but then again I don't post there and only check in every few days or so to catch up. Always nice to watch Mung flitting about like a little monkey, chattering his mocking one-liners and flinging his tiny turds everywhere.

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Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2016,14:14   

Quote (Lethean @ May 25 2016,14:34)
Quote (JonF @ May 25 2016,15:56)
WTF is up with TSZ and Talk Rational? Is some hacker breaking DB connections on pro-reality sites?


I was just about to post a question asking if anyone knew what the details were re:TalkRational. Dave probably thinks Jesus brought the hammer down because he got shoved into the "closet of truth". Good Lord that boy is one narcissistic ASSclown.

The site has been down for over a week, now. I hope they have a backup for their database. I'm starting to miss the news on Dave's goats.

  
Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2016,14:17   

Quote (JonF @ May 25 2016,10:56)
WTF is up with TSZ and Talk Rational? Is some hacker breaking DB connections on pro-reality sites?

TSZ is down for a couple of minutes every four hours when the database is backing up. Not aware of issues otherwise.

  
Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,04:02   

Quote (Alan Fox @ May 27 2016,14:14)

The site has been down for over a week, now. I hope they have a backup for their database. I'm starting to miss the news on Dave's goats.


Looks like TR is back in bid'ness. Yay!

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"So I'm a pretty unusual guy and it's not stupidity that has gotten me where I am. It's brilliance."

"My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it."


~Dave Hawkins~

  
Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,04:12   

Quote (Lethean @ May 28 2016,04:02)
 
Quote (Alan Fox @ May 27 2016,14:14)

The site has been down for over a week, now. I hope they have a backup for their database. I'm starting to miss the news on Dave's goats.


Looks like TR is back in bid'ness. Yay!


Aww crap, never mind. At the moment only the home/index page loads. Trying to view any of the subforums gives the ol' db error. Hopefully that gets sorted out soon.

The index looks ok though. I just happened to be online when it went down. I had just submitted a post after getting caught up on the usual threads. From what I recall, who posted what last, the index looks accurate with respect to the time it went down.

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"So I'm a pretty unusual guy and it's not stupidity that has gotten me where I am. It's brilliance."

"My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it."


~Dave Hawkins~

  
clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2016,20:54   

Mung is having a Sunday night meltdown!!! Go, Mung!

Barry's purse

  
clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2016,22:28   

I would have included numerous links to Mung's ongoing Noyau meltdown, but that explosive bile is left as an exercise for the reader.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2016,09:56   

seems to be down. ???

   
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2016,10:45   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 12 2016,07:56)
seems to be down. ???

The link doesn't work: try this: http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....p....plained

I wouldn't call it a meltdown - it's just normal whiny-little-shit Mung, only with more posts than usual.

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clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2016,11:49   

I would submit that the combination of the original post and Mung's replies, plus the multiple mini-rants on Noyau, plus those in the "Phoodoo decision" discussion, constitute a meltdown. But perhaps my definition has not been hardened by regular UD reading, where someone could easily point and say, "Now THAT'S a meltdown!"

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2016,11:58   

Quote (clamboy @ Sep. 12 2016,09:49)
I would submit that the combination of the original post and Mung's replies, plus the multiple mini-rants on Noyau, plus those in the "Phoodoo decision" discussion, constitute a meltdown. But perhaps my definition has not been hardened by regular UD reading, where someone could easily point and say, "Now THAT'S a meltdown!"

Maybe a mini-meltdown: a couple of centiJoes.  Mung's been munging away like this for months.  It never really subsides.

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There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2016,12:19   

How many centiJoes in a miliBarry? And how many miliBarrys  in a microKF, or should that be the other way around? Meltdown measurements are so confusing!

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2016,12:35   

Quote (clamboy @ Sep. 12 2016,10:19)
How many centiJoes in a miliBarry? And how many miliBarrys  in a microKF, or should that be the other way around? Meltdown measurements are so confusing!

I think Joe and Dembski are the epitomes of meltdown - nothing going on for ages, then they go off the rails / their meds / the sauce for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose.  Barry and Gordon are always like that.

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2016,14:06   

There melting! Their melting!!111!!one!!

  
clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2016,16:49   

John W, I am reminded of C. S. Lewis's followup to "The Screwtape Letters", "Screwtape Proposes a Toast". In it, this "very experienced devil" bemoans the lack of really tasty, crunchy sinners into which he might sink his teeth, or drink a draught of their jet black, inky souls.

When have we last had our feast of a truly vicious meltdown, one where Stalinist-like bannings were made by the dozen? Oh, to get one's teeth again into a Ray Hernandez! Instead, we are treated (to use the collective nouns) to boredoms of Mungs, phlegms of Phoodoos, retchings of FMMs, and spitoons of WJMs.

But one must not be too despondent. To amend what Screwtape had to say, "The quality may be wretched; but we have never had meltdowns (of a sort) in more abundance."

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2016,16:51   

Quote (clamboy @ Sep. 12 2016,12:19)
How many centiJoes in a miliBarry? And how many miliBarrys  in a microKF, or should that be the other way around? Meltdown measurements are so confusing!

It is part of the SI system of units, allowing traceability to the highest metroillogical level.

The base unit is the Barry. 1/1000 of a Barry is a milli-Barry, or a Mung in common parlance. A micro-Barry is a Joe. A nano-Barry is a Mapou.  A femto-Barry is a William. And a kilo-Barry is a Mullings.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2016,19:07   

How would those units compare with "demi-God"?

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2016,19:25   

Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 12 2016,20:07)
How would those units compare with "demi-God"?

Well, on an intelligence scale, one peta-Barry is a hemi-demi-semi-IQ point.
It scales about the same as the illogic metric, though.  Aside from the outlier (liar?) Mullings.

  
clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2016,21:08   

Noting the "i" in your "illogic metric", NoName, I believe that Gaulins are the ID units of sense, intelligence, self-reflection, and a myriad of other quantities. These are, of course, imaginary numbers. They have their uses, but any correspondence with reality is strictly utilitarian.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2016,22:36   

But the Joe (milli-Joe, micro-Joe, etc) transcends the material units. After all, only in the supernatural rhealm could wavelength = frequency.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2016,22:37   

Come on!!  What do I have to do here to get a POTW? I'm pouring my heart out here.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2016,23:01   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 13 2016,06:37)
Come on!!  What do I have to do here to get a POTW? I'm pouring my heart out here.

Ha!! Trying to Bogart a POTW priceless!

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fusilier



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2016,06:33   

Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 13 2016,00:01)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 13 2016,06:37)
Come on!!  What do I have to do here to get a POTW? I'm pouring my heart out here.

Ha!! Trying to Bogart a POTW priceless!

Now that's POTW material.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2016,10:35   

Petrushka asked Mung about what was the target in the TSP. Mung responded with Google search results on GAs and the TSP.

The TSP being approximately solved by GAs was the case I used in Q&A time with William Dembski back in 1997, and it is a case that he has managed to avoid discussing since then, so far as I know.

I wrote a simple GA TSP solver in Perl some years ago. The fitness function returned a cost equal to the Euclidean distance of the input tour, and that will work for any number of input data sets. There is no one singular "target" in that, meaning the optimal tour; the optimal tour is conditioned on the specific data set, and the GA does not have to have any knowledge of such a "target" in order to locate good approximate solutions. Being able to rank tours by relative total distance is all that is necessary for it to work. My program was both generic and effective, something that could not be true if knowledge of a specific "target" were a necessity for operation.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2016,11:02   

Then there is phoodoo's comment:

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There is no power of cumulative selection, if you don’t decide beforehand what you are selecting for.

That’s why evolutionary algorithms are so laughable.


While these guys are closing their eyes, covering their ears, and shouting, "LA-LA-LA-I-CAN'T-HEAR-YOU", the rest of the world is getting on with business. Evolutionary computation is being deployed in research, engineering, and even finance. It is responsible for the shape of vanes in jet engines, determination of well sites for water remediation, PCB drill paths, and many, many more applications.

I've used a form of evolutionary computation that discovers mathematical models inherent in data, applied to a forecasting problem. This is something that really shows the desperation behind the critique "phoodoo" makes; not only is there no "target" known beforehand, the whole point of using the technique is model *discovery*. There is no limitation of where the data comes from or what might be in it.

Sure, any time that there is a closed-form analytical solution to your problem, you use it. But there are plenty of problems that don't have effective methods established for them, and evolutionary computation has been giving us an assist on those for decades now.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2016,11:58   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 12 2016,16:51)
 
Quote (clamboy @ Sep. 12 2016,12:19)
How many centiJoes in a miliBarry? And how many miliBarrys  in a microKF, or should that be the other way around? Meltdown measurements are so confusing!

It is part of the SI system of units, allowing traceability to the highest metroillogical level.

The base unit is the Barry. 1/1000 of a Barry is a milli-Barry, or a Mung in common parlance. A micro-Barry is a Joe. A nano-Barry is a Mapou.  A femto-Barry is a William. And a kilo-Barry is a Mullings.

I would have placed Barry as being the sort of person who'd want to build a wall to keep nasty foreign SI units out of the country.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2016,12:27   

Quote (KevinB @ Sep. 13 2016,11:58)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 12 2016,16:51)
 
Quote (clamboy @ Sep. 12 2016,12:19)
How many centiJoes in a miliBarry? And how many miliBarrys  in a microKF, or should that be the other way around? Meltdown measurements are so confusing!

It is part of the SI system of units, allowing traceability to the highest metroillogical level.

The base unit is the Barry. 1/1000 of a Barry is a milli-Barry, or a Mung in common parlance. A micro-Barry is a Joe. A nano-Barry is a Mapou.  A femto-Barry is a William. And a kilo-Barry is a Mullings.

I would have placed Barry as being the sort of person who'd want to build a wall to keep nasty foreign SI units out of the country.

That's crazy talk. ID is science from top to bottom. And science relies on the SI.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2016,13:16   

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keiths September 12, 2016 at 6:04 am
Mung,

Your mistake is obvious, as usual. Cumulative selection doesn’t require a target, but Weasel does.

You told us that your program was a Weasel:
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A few people suggested that I should write my own Weasel program.

So I did.

And you told us that it was intended to demonstrate the power of cumulative selection (while trying to downplay your failure at implementing a Weasel):
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It’s intent was to demonstrate the power of cumulative selection, not be just yet another Dawkins Weasel mimic.

You failed at both, and now you’ve created yet another failing thread denying your failures. It’s a remarkable display of incompetence.

The lesson should be obvious: when you go up against Weasel, you fail. Again and again.

If you learn nothing else from your failures, could you at least learn that? Weasel won, Mung. It succeeds where you have failed. Accept that and move on.
linky

   
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2016,14:19   

Question: where is the code for Mung's pseudo-weasel?

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