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Posted: Oct. 23 2012,14:38

Stopped clock.

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Posted: Oct. 23 2012,15:32

well, now he'll deny it.

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Posted: Oct. 23 2012,16:20

Mung's words, my emphasis:

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Hi Jerad,

How do you know that human civilizations didn�t just suddenly appear on earth about 6,000 years ago? What makes you think human civilizations existed prior to then? What�s your independent proof human civilizations existed before human civilizations existed?

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Posted: Oct. 23 2012,16:58

Another brain fart from gpuccio.

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The elimination of obvious necessity mechanisms is necessary to eliminate compressible strings, or any other ordered output that can be explained by necessity. It is the first step in KF�s algorithm, it is an essential part of Dembski�s explanatory filter.

My idea is that what can be explained by necessity is not complex. That�s why I put point 3 in the definition. KF puts it at the beginning. There is no difference.

This has nothing to do with the philosophical question that darwinists pose: but if one day a necessity mechanism were found�

For pseudo-random strings, that mechanism will never be found, because necessity cannot generate that kind of strings. And, as I have explained, if it were found it would falsify the whole dFSCI procedure.

Dude, pseudorandom sequences are generated by a "necessity mechanism," a simple deterministic procedure. Here is one.

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Posted: Oct. 23 2012,17:05

Quote (olegt @ Oct. 23 2012,17:58)

Another brain fart from gpuccio.

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The elimination of obvious necessity mechanisms is necessary to eliminate compressible strings, or any other ordered output that can be explained by necessity. It is the first step in KF�s algorithm, it is an essential part of Dembski�s explanatory filter.

My idea is that what can be explained by necessity is not complex. That�s why I put point 3 in the definition. KF puts it at the beginning. There is no difference.

This has nothing to do with the philosophical question that darwinists pose: but if one day a necessity mechanism were found�

For pseudo-random strings, that mechanism will never be found, because necessity cannot generate that kind of strings. And, as I have explained, if it were found it would falsify the whole dFSCI procedure.

Dude, pseudorandom sequences are generated by a "necessity mechanism," a simple deterministic procedure. Here is one.

i just like to see him inadvertently buggering the corpse of the ontological argument for god. don't spook him, i'm filming it

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Posted: Oct. 23 2012,19:47

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Jerad: What about my other, simple question: if a signal from space was detected that was on a constant frequency at a constant interval from a single location would it be a candidate for being SCI?

Joe: If it was a nice sine wave, it would be a good candidate.

FAIL: astrophysical masers.

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Posted: Oct. 23 2012,21:08

Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 22 2012,18:26)

I'm not sure why I read KF's posts. Insomnia?

I'm not sure *how* you read KF's posts.

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Posted: Oct. 23 2012,21:35

Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 23 2012,21:08)

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I'm not sure why I read KF's posts. Insomnia?

I'm not sure *how* you read KF's posts.

I'm not sure 'reading' is involved. More like submerging one' self into the Pit of Despair. That's 5 minutes of your life... gone. I would never go as high as 30 minutes, I don't know what that would do to you. Now, for posterity, tell me how you feel.

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Posted: Oct. 23 2012,21:44

Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 23 2012,22:08)

Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 22 2012,18:26)

I'm not sure why I read KF's posts. Insomnia?

I'm not sure *how* you read KF's posts.

well, speaking for me only, i read them with one hand.

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Posted: Oct. 23 2012,22:41

I assume the good doctor finally got so fed up with UD that he had to find some web space that he can control exclusively:

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Site Redesign

by admin on September 16, 2012

This website is undergoing redesign and reconceptualization. It used to be devoted exclusively to the writings of William A. Dembski. It will shortly also provide educational guidance on a host of issues touched on by intelligent design.

Thank you for your patience as the site is transformed.

It sounds familiar though:

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Is there a special AtBc thread on designinference.com? I couldn't find any.

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Edited by sparc on Oct. 23 2012,22:45

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Posted: Oct. 23 2012,22:58

Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 23 2012,20:35)

Now, for posterity, tell me how you feel.

Then get a pill from a local miracle worker, wait a bit before going swimming, then go storm a castle.

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Posted: Oct. 23 2012,23:01

Since we are talking about Dembski:

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Posted: Oct. 23 2012,23:35

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I hope they have a shitty cafeteria.

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Posted: Oct. 24 2012,05:55

Quote (keiths @ Oct. 23 2012,21:35)

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I hope they have a shitty cafeteria.

Serving steaming piles of shit is SES's specialty:

"Southern Evangelical offers students something that cannot be found anywhere else�- fully accredited resident and distance education programs that integrate classical theology, philosophy, and apologetics for a comprehensive and coherent worldview. (my emphasis)

And:

"At SES you will be trained to think clearly, critically, and rationally and to engage people in meaningful dialogue."

And there's also this:

"We believe in the special creation of the entire space-time universe and of every basic form of life in the six historic days of the Genesis creation record. We also believe in the historicity of the biblical record, including the special creation of Adam and Eve as the literal progenitors of all people, the literal fall and resultant divine curse on the creation, the worldwide flood, and the origin of nations and diverse languages at the tower of Babel." (my emphasis)

So, a perfect, omniscient, omnipotent designer-creator-god fucked up "the creation", got pissed off at it, and then put a perpetual curse on it. Makes perfect sense. �

Lots more shit:

http://www.ses.edu/doctrin....ine.htm

http://www.ses.edu/purpose....ose.htm

All science so far! dumbski will fit right in.

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Posted: Oct. 24 2012,05:57

I almost feel sorry for the poor bastard.

Except I doubt that "poor" comes into it. I'm sure they are paying plenty of $$$ for such a "star".

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Posted: Oct. 24 2012,06:19

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 24 2012,13:57)

I almost feel sorry for the poor bastard.

Except I doubt that "poor" comes into it. I'm sure they are paying plenty of $$$ for such a "star".

I assume you you mean the one that doesn't shine.

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Posted: Oct. 24 2012,06:29

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 24 2012,03:57)

I almost feel sorry for the poor bastard.

Except I doubt that "poor" comes into it. I'm sure they are paying plenty of $$$ for such a "star".

The salary and benefits negotiations probably went something like this:

SES: "Bill, we'll pay you $XX,000.00 per year and we'll throw in knee pads for life, a genuine faux leather cover for your bible, a whoopee cushion, and a baby's arm holding an apple."

dumbski: "I'll take it."

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Posted: Oct. 24 2012,08:18

Quote (The whole truth @ Oct. 24 2012,05:55)

Quote (keiths @ Oct. 23 2012,21:35)

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Quote (sparc @ Oct. 23 2012,21:01)

I hope they have a shitty cafeteria.

Serving steaming piles of shit is SES's specialty:

"Southern Evangelical offers students something that cannot be found anywhere else�- fully accredited resident and distance education programs that integrate classical theology, philosophy, and apologetics for a comprehensive and coherent worldview. (my emphasis)

And:

"At SES you will be trained to think clearly, critically, and rationally and to engage people in meaningful dialogue."

And there's also this:

"We believe in the special creation of the entire space-time universe and of every basic form of life in the six historic days of the Genesis creation record. We also believe in the historicity of the biblical record, including the special creation of Adam and Eve as the literal progenitors of all people, the literal fall and resultant divine curse on the creation, the worldwide flood, and the origin of nations and diverse languages at the tower of Babel." (my emphasis)

So, a perfect, omniscient, omnipotent designer-creator-god fucked up "the creation", got pissed off at it, and then put a perpetual curse on it. Makes perfect sense. �

Lots more shit:

http://www.ses.edu/doctrin....ine.htm

http://www.ses.edu/purpose....ose.htm

All science so far! dumbski will fit right in.

Oh. I thought wMad had left his previous place over the argument that started when he admitted to not being a YEC. Curious.

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Posted: Oct. 24 2012,08:24

Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 24 2012,09:18)

Quote (The whole truth @ Oct. 24 2012,05:55)

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Quote (sparc @ Oct. 23 2012,21:01)

I hope they have a shitty cafeteria.

Serving steaming piles of shit is SES's specialty:

"Southern Evangelical offers students something that cannot be found anywhere else�- fully accredited resident and distance education programs that integrate classical theology, philosophy, and apologetics for a comprehensive and coherent worldview. (my emphasis)

And:

"At SES you will be trained to think clearly, critically, and rationally and to engage people in meaningful dialogue."

And there's also this:

"We believe in the special creation of the entire space-time universe and of every basic form of life in the six historic days of the Genesis creation record. We also believe in the historicity of the biblical record, including the special creation of Adam and Eve as the literal progenitors of all people, the literal fall and resultant divine curse on the creation, the worldwide flood, and the origin of nations and diverse languages at the tower of Babel." (my emphasis)

So, a perfect, omniscient, omnipotent designer-creator-god fucked up "the creation", got pissed off at it, and then put a perpetual curse on it. Makes perfect sense. �

Lots more shit:

http://www.ses.edu/doctrin....ine.htm

http://www.ses.edu/purpose....ose.htm

All science so far! dumbski will fit right in.

Oh. I thought wMad had left his previous place over the argument that started when he admitted to not being a YEC. Curious.

No, he recanted before they could yell, "no take-backs!"

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Posted: Oct. 24 2012,10:26

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No, he recanted before they could yell, "no take-backs!"

If you look at the relevant SES page, Dembski is sharing with Hugh Ross and Fazale Rana, both from Reasons To Believe, an OEC organisation. �Perhaps SES is not as exclusively YEC as some other places, which might be why Dembski picked it. �He seems to be OEC or similar himself.

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Posted: Oct. 24 2012,10:31

Quote (rossum @ Oct. 24 2012,10:26)

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No, he recanted before they could yell, "no take-backs!"

If you look at the relevant SES page, Dembski is sharing with Hugh Ross and Fazale Rana, both from Reasons To Believe, an OEC organisation. �Perhaps SES is not as exclusively YEC as some other places, which might be why Dembski picked it. �He seems to be OEC or similar himself.

It's all just a big happy tent.

They will fight about that stuff once the evil materialists are defeated. Which, for all practical purposes, means that they never have to even worry about it.

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Posted: Oct. 24 2012,11:54

Quote (sparc @ Oct. 23 2012,23:41)

I assume the good doctor finally got so fed up with UD that he had to find some web space that he can control exclusively: �

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Site Redesign

by admin on September 16, 2012

This website is undergoing redesign and reconceptualization. It used to be devoted exclusively to the writings of William A. Dembski. It will shortly also provide educational guidance on a host of issues touched on by intelligent design.

Thank you for your patience as the site is transformed.

It sounds familiar though: �

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Is there a special AtBc thread on designinference.com? I couldn't find any.

(edited for punctuation)

who's even running that site anymore?

and BTW, MAN UD is crap these days. Top story--Doug Axe has serious doubts about evolution and backed this up with quotes from real scientific papers!

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Posted: Oct. 24 2012,12:40

Is it a common practice at US schools to run the same course under three different numbers and two designations at the same time in the very same room?
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AP862 Intelligent Design [...] Start Date 1/14/2013 End Date 1/19/2013 Time MO,TU,WE,TH,FR 6:00pm-10:3 [rest not displayed] SA 8:00am-4:30pm

SC401 Evolutionary Biology & Intellige [rest not displayed] �[...] Start Date 1/14/2013 End Date 1/19/2013 Time MO,TU,WE,TH,FR 6:00pm-10:3 [rest not displayed] SA 8:00am-4:30pm

[... one other course by another instructor]

SC501 Evolutionary Biology & Intelligen [rest not displayed] �[...] Start Date 1/14/2013 End Date 1/19/2013 Time MO,TU,WE,TH,FR 6:00pm-10:3 [rest not displayed] SA 8:00am-4:30pm

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Posted: Oct. 24 2012,13:17

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 24 2012,12:54)

Quote (sparc @ Oct. 23 2012,23:41)

I assume the good doctor finally got so fed up with UD that he had to find some web space that he can control exclusively: �

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Site Redesign

by admin on September 16, 2012

This website is undergoing redesign and reconceptualization. It used to be devoted exclusively to the writings of William A. Dembski. It will shortly also provide educational guidance on a host of issues touched on by intelligent design.

Thank you for your patience as the site is transformed.

It sounds familiar though: �

Quote

{ Comments on this entry are closed }

Is there a special AtBc thread on designinference.com? I couldn't find any.

(edited for punctuation)

who's even running that site anymore?

and BTW, MAN UD is crap these days. Top story--Doug Axe has serious doubts about evolution and backed this up with quotes from real scientific papers!

you can always go for the harder stuff. i know some pretty hardcore tardmerchants. Lenny was right, and I'll never tire of pointing that out.

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Posted: Oct. 24 2012,13:23

Quote (rossum @ Oct. 24 2012,10:26)

Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 24 2012,08:24)

No, he recanted before they could yell, "no take-backs!"

If you look at the relevant SES page, Dembski is sharing with Hugh Ross and Fazale Rana, both from Reasons To Believe, an OEC organisation. �Perhaps SES is not as exclusively YEC as some other places, which might be why Dembski picked it. �He seems to be OEC or similar himself.

Picked it my ass. �I bet it was the only place in North America he could find that would offer him a job.

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Posted: Oct. 24 2012,14:02

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Is it a common practice at US schools to run the same course under three different numbers and two designations at the same time in the very same room?
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AP862 Intelligent Design [...] Start Date 1/14/2013 End Date 1/19/2013 Time MO,TU,WE,TH,FR 6:00pm-10:3 [rest not displayed] SA 8:00am-4:30pm

SC401 Evolutionary Biology & Intellige [rest not displayed] �[...] Start Date 1/14/2013 End Date 1/19/2013 Time MO,TU,WE,TH,FR 6:00pm-10:3 [rest not displayed] SA 8:00am-4:30pm

[... one other course by another instructor]

SC501 Evolutionary Biology & Intelligen [rest not displayed] �[...] Start Date 1/14/2013 End Date 1/19/2013 Time MO,TU,WE,TH,FR 6:00pm-10:3 [rest not displayed] SA 8:00am-4:30pm

Sometimes.

Most colleges or universities will run an undergrad and grad course on the same subject at the same time, with the same teacher. The grad students have extra work (lab time, outside research, etc) assigned.

I have seen some junior colleges offer the same course with two different designations in the same room with the same teacher at the same time.

This is because technical school programs (automechanics, cosmotology, etc) are not accepted by other colleges for transfer. In auto mechanics, it's not that big a deal, but it is a big deal in computer science courses.

You might have a 2-yr technical degree in computer programming. Since it's a tech degree, no 4-yr school will accept it for a bachelor's degree. But there is a 2-yr academic program specializing in computer programming. If we say that both degree plans have a requirement for a course in C++, then you would need to give the students that are planning on transferring a different course number, one that is accepted by 4-yr schools.

Why not have the technical degree take the academic course? In some states, the entry requirements for technical degrees and academic degrees are very different. Further, the state (like in Texas) may require that technical degrees only are allowed 5 academic courses (usually 2 semesters of freshman English, a social studies, a fine art, and speech).

So we have to have a special academic course with certain requirements and a technical course with different requirements... even though they are exactly the same course.

I don't think I could explain 3 different versions though. But then, I'm willing to bet my new house that the school isn't regionally accredited and that's the only accreditation that matters.

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Posted: Oct. 24 2012,14:04

What I want to know is what they fill all the time with.

4 hours a day, five days a week... presumably for 2-3 weeks... how many times can they say "Goddidit"?

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Posted: Oct. 24 2012,14:10

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What I want to know is what they fill all the time with.

4 hours a day, five days a week... presumably for 2-3 weeks... how many times can they say "Goddidit"?

well they could pray a lot, and shit

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