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Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2008,17:28    Quote (midwifetoad @ Dec. 03 2008,14:29) Win Ben Stein's mind Second Prize: Ben Stein's body -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2008,19:15    Third prize - lifetime supply of "Clear Eyes"?

Lowell Posts: 101 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2008,17:04    O'Bleary has a post up on UD reporting on her interview with Expelled! producer Walt Ruloff Why didn't the film do better commercially? You guessed it: the Darwinists. Why didn't it contain more evidence of intelligent design? It's difficult to understand O'Leary's point here (surprise, surprise), but it has something to do with the producers being "discouraged from understanding what happens when one uncovers evidence against materialism. So even when they are making a film about it, they don’t get it." In other words, that's the Darwinists' fault, too. You rotten Darwinists couldn't even let poor Walt make a good movie. That's just mean! -------------- The resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the most well documented events of antiquity. Barry Arrington, Jan 17, 2012.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2008,11:24    Quote Why didn't the film do better commercially? You guessed it: the Darwinists. Yeah; the "Darwinistas" had recruited all the people who pay attention to reality, which left only people who don't pay attention to reality to "design" the movie, which left them with one of those bad designs that serves as evidence for evilution.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2008,11:51    Didn't she also once say that Darwinists were responsible for shopping malls? Well, I can't stand shopping malls, and I hate shopping. I'm such a friggin' materialist. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Marion Delgado Posts: 89 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2008,22:19    I saw the movie, very great, very convincing. HOWEVER it DID lack any John A Davison presence. Remember: teach BOTH SIDES .. ID *AND* Davisonian evolution. In my opinion, even junior high kids nowadays can figure this stuff out for themselves. If you don't believe me, ask one to program your VCR sometime!

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2008,14:37    Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 03 2008,17:28) Quote (midwifetoad @ Dec. 03 2008,14:29) Win Ben Stein's mind Second Prize: Ben Stein's body The *ahem* booby prize? Just asking. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

BopDiddy Posts: 71 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2008,11:40    And the prize for the fifth worst movie of 2008 goes to Expelled! From The Onion's A.V. Club: Quote There are terrible movies, and then there are terrible movies that cause harm to society by feeding into its ignorance. Nathan Frankowski's odious anti-evolution documentary belongs in the latter category. Even those who buy the thesis that star Ben Stein puts forward—that creationists are being unfairly locked out of the scientific establishment—should be disappointed by how Expelled spends almost no time explaining the specifics of intelligent-design theory, or presenting well-researched data to establish it as a legitimate challenger to evolution science. Instead, Frankowski and Stein rely on the same old Michael Moore-style cheap shots to prop up their pathetically shallow case. Few moments in cinema in 2008 were as shameless and disgusting as the Expelled sequence where Stein solemnly visits a Nazi death camp and unsubtly links "survival of the fittest" theory to the Holocaust. Don't worry, Darwinists: If the "bad as Hitler" argument is the best that ID pushers can muster, you have nothing to worry about.

pough Posts: 1 Joined: Dec. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2008,12:52    Good news, everyone! The piano sound used in Expelled's soundtrack is available to everyone! (Well, for a fee.) So for those of us hoping to work on Expelled II: The Reckoning, this is a great opportunity! http://www.imperfectsamples.com/website....nts.php Seriously, though, that is a very nice sample library and the guy who made and sells it is really cool. I'm neither trying to sell it or make fun of it, per se. I just think it's kinda funny that the main endorsement is the musician who did Expelled. My main online-reading interests are music and science; this is where they collided. Thought I'd share. ;)

Nerull Posts: 317 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2008,16:05    Quote (Marion Delgado @ Dec. 05 2008,23:19) In my opinion, even junior high kids nowadays can figure this stuff out for themselves. If you don't believe me, ask one to program your VCR sometime! What's a VCR? Is that like a DVD player? -------------- To rebut creationism you pretty much have to be a biologist, chemist, geologist, philosopher, lawyer and historian all rolled into one. While to advocate creationism, you just have to be an idiot. -- tommorris

Butterworthd Posts: 3 Joined: Dec. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,21:51    You guys have more fun on this site.  I wonder if they had this much discussion when they put Galileo under house arrest when he argued against Celestial Spheres.

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,02:32    The relevant analogy would be how much discussion Galileo was allowed when placed under house arrest. It's always amusing when promoters of religious intolerance try to put on the mantle of Galileo or impugn science with the actions of religious dogmatists in that case. It combines cognitive deficiencies and historical ignorance into a compact, though unattractive, package. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,07:46    Quote (Lowell @ Dec. 04 2008,18:04) O'Bleary has a post up on UD reporting on her interview with Expelled! producer Walt Ruloff Why didn't the film do better commercially? You guessed it: the Darwinists. Why didn't it contain more evidence of intelligent design? It's difficult to understand O'Leary's point here (surprise, surprise), but it has something to do with the producers being "discouraged from understanding what happens when one uncovers evidence against materialism. So even when they are making a film about it, they don’t get it." In other words, that's the Darwinists' fault, too. You rotten Darwinists couldn't even let poor Walt make a good movie. That's just mean! one hesitates to make fun of the mentally retarded....

Butterworthd Posts: 3 Joined: Dec. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,08:47    I can't disagree.  I just find that more people are cursing the darkness than are lighting candles.  You know that one candle can drive away a lot of darkness.   The candle I lit was subspace since I disliked the concept of the Laws of Physics; like it was written in a book somewhere in heaven.  But now that I have real insights I can't get a discussion started.  Like Galileo I would like to have my day in court.

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2009,09:37    Congrats to Ruloff and kevineleven!  Expelled made the list of Worst Films of 2008 at Rotten Tomatoes! -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2009,10:07    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 01 2009,10:37) Congrats to Ruloff and kevineleven!  Expelled made the list of Worst Films of 2008 at Rotten Tomatoes! I'm two pages into the comments on the list, and though there's a lot of "omg! that shouldn't be on the list, this film was much better/worse" kind of stuff, not one person has so much as mentioned Expelled. ETA: First mention (page 4): Quote By the way, Boy in Striped Pajamas... seriously, worst? Yeah, College, Repo, Love Guru, Expelled, Hottie & the Nottie (eeewww), and Postal are all horrible. Uwe Boll is the devil. Film buffs (like myself) hate him, and video game nuts (like myself) hate him. I hate Uwe. Edited by Lou FCD on Jan. 01 2009,11:09 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2009,12:31    Quote (Butterworthd @ Dec. 31 2008,08:47) I can't disagree.  I just find that more people are cursing the darkness than are lighting candles.  You know that one candle can drive away a lot of darkness.   The candle I lit was subspace since I disliked the concept of the Laws of Physics; like it was written in a book somewhere in heaven.  But now that I have real insights I can't get a discussion started.  Like Galileo I would like to have my day in court. Does anyone have a sensible parsing of the above? -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2009,12:45    I don't think Butterworthd has English as his first language.

Nerull Posts: 317 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2009,13:50    Presumably he has some grand new ideas about physics, but the magical keyboard fairies prevent from from typing them. -------------- To rebut creationism you pretty much have to be a biologist, chemist, geologist, philosopher, lawyer and historian all rolled into one. While to advocate creationism, you just have to be an idiot. -- tommorris

Glenn Branch Posts: 19 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2009,23:51    A list, with links, of worst-movies-of-2008 lists containing Expelled is here on the NCSE website.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2009,03:04    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 01 2009,18:31) Quote (Butterworthd @ Dec. 31 2008,08:47) I can't disagree.  I just find that more people are cursing the darkness than are lighting candles.  You know that one candle can drive away a lot of darkness.   The candle I lit was subspace since I disliked the concept of the Laws of Physics; like it was written in a book somewhere in heaven.  But now that I have real insights I can't get a discussion started.  Like Galileo I would like to have my day in court. Does anyone have a sensible parsing of the above? Parsed partially as: But, like, dude, have you ever really, ya know, looked at your hands? They can touch everything but themselves. Woah. And also as: Curse you scientists! You laughed at me, well you laughed at Gallileo too you know! Call me an old cynic but why do I suspect our chum would benefit from analysis using this* wonderful tool, with we are all no doubt familiar. Let's hope I'm wrong... Louis *To save clicks, it's John Baez's crackpot index. Someone may be unfamiliar with it, so it is linked to shine a candle on that small piece of darkness that may reside within the unfamiliar reader. -------------- Bye.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2009,09:13    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 01 2009,13:31) Quote (Butterworthd @ Dec. 31 2008,08:47) I can't disagree.  I just find that more people are cursing the darkness than are lighting candles.  You know that one candle can drive away a lot of darkness.   The candle I lit was subspace since I disliked the concept of the Laws of Physics; like it was written in a book somewhere in heaven.  But now that I have real insights I can't get a discussion started.  Like Galileo I would like to have my day in court. Does anyone have a sensible parsing of the above? I took it that he was taking the piss, but I didn't really get it. I just figured I was in the darkness and my subspace light goggles were malfunctioning. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Butterworthd Posts: 3 Joined: Dec. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2009,10:09    I placed all of my thoughts down on a web site New Concepts in Physics and Biology for those who are interested.

Sealawr Posts: 54 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2009,12:51    Opening sequence of letters from Butterworth's site:   Quote I want to present an entirely new view of the universe.  One that is compatible with Newton's, Einstein's, Schrödinger's, Dirac's and Maxwell's Laws, Theories and Equations.  It is based upon subspace particles, spinning singularities that are infinite on the insides and small on the outsides. Here's a theory that is simple, understandable and not buried under a ton of mathematics.  Besides explaining physics there is an explanation on how life began.  Its all in the subspace. I've spent 40 years on this quest and I will give you what I know on this web site.  If you want to support me, buy my books. Damn!  He blows the lid off the Baez index and scores a Denyse as well. -------------- DS: "The explantory filter is as robust as the data that is used with it." David Klinghoffer: ""I'm an IDiot"

KCdgw Posts: 376 Joined: Sep. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2009,13:59    Quote Buy a book before the Thought Police discover it and close down this site. Lastly these thoughts are my own and are not endorsed by any university or scientific program.  I have been dismissed as an engineer looking for ether but I have proven my case here. Wow. KC -------------- Those who know the truth are not equal to those who love it-- Confucius

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2009,14:27    Quote (KCdgw @ Jan. 02 2009,13:59)   Quote Buy a book before the Thought Police discover it and close down this site. Lastly these thoughts are my own and are not endorsed by any university or scientific program.  I have been dismissed as an engineer looking for ether but I have proven my case here. Wow. KC In the old days, prior to the proliferation of tard on the intertubes, university faculty members would routinely get letters or pamphlets from folks like this. Claims to have overturned evolution, or discovered a general theory of everything, would show up in the mailbox regularly. I'm glad that progress in communication has allowed this sort of thing to be shared more widely! -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2009,18:51    Quote I have been dismissed as an engineer looking for ether but I have proven my case here. Ah. I see. -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2009,08:18    Opps.  Ruloff has managed to piss of an Australian philosopher: Expelled producer admits lying to atheist interviewees John is upset (poor fellow) by this interview with Ruloff (Expelled's producer).  In particular, the background to "Crossroads", the film about science and faith he told PZed et al. he was making: Quote He acknowledged in 2004 he became "just really excited" about censorship in the scientific community. "So I thought we need to do something: We could make a movie." Ruloff spoke quickly and enthusiastically, as we shared French fries and drank cranberry juice in a rustic restaurant. While taking a course at evangelical Regent College in Vancouver (foreground of photo), Ruloff met a like-minded American, John Sullivan. Together they decided to help finance a film that would show that scientific closed-mindedness has led to proponents of intelligent design being "expelled" from the academy. This might raise a titter or two, though:     Quote The first version of Expelled leaned heavily on computer-generated images of cells, illustrating how their development relied on more than random mutation. But alas, Ruloff said, "When we first watched that movie it was verrrrry boring." -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

1of63 Posts: 126 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2009,13:56    Quote I want to present an entirely new view of the universe.  One that is compatible with Newton's, Einstein's, Schrödinger's, Dirac's and Maxwell's Laws, Theories and Equations.  It is based upon subspace particles, spinning singularities that are infinite on the insides and small on the outsides. Bigger on the inside than the outside?  Sounds like someone has been taking Dr Who's TARDIS altogether too seriously.  Perhaps we could call these tiny, spinning subspace singularities 'TARDons'? -------------- I set expectations at zero, and FL limbos right under them. - Tracy P. Hamilton

RupertG Posts: 80 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2009,19:23    At least we know officially now that the thinking behind Expelled was "we don't really care whether it's accurate or fair, we just want to pick a fight". Which is classic propaganda, after all, so it's nice of them to be honest about that. R (also, this post made in a desperate attempt to move this thread onto the next page, so every visit here is no longer greeted with "Win Ben Stein's mind" - "Second prize, win Ben Stein's body". The images are getting disturbing.) -------------- Uncle Joe and Aunty Mabel Fainted at the breakfast table Children, let this be a warning Never do it in the morning -- Ralph Vaughan Williams

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