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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2016,09:44   

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A recent headline at Uncommonly Dense.
 
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Free speech on the internet: The road ahead

I would read it but I can't stop laughing long enough.

Perhaps it's their plan to eliminate it.

"Perhaps"?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2016,10:05   

Pav has posted an Anti-AGW OP over at UD using the following graph. He argues that because there are high temperatures in the past that AGW can't exist. Yet, he completely ignores the other things that the graph shows. Specifically the very strong correlation between temperature and CO2/methane, and the fact that the previous peaks were closely followed by rapid decreases. Something that is not being seen following the most recent peak.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2016,10:33   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 24 2016,18:05)
Pav has posted an Anti-AGW OP over at UD using the following graph. He argues that because there are high temperatures in the past that AGW can't exist. Yet, he completely ignores the other things that the graph shows. Specifically the very strong correlation between temperature and CO2/methane, and the fact that the previous peaks were closely followed by rapid decreases. Something that is not being seen following the most recent peak.

Righteo...from an identity group that can't decide if the earth is more than 4500 years old?. They may as well use bible chapters to fight evolution. You know, it is one of the world's greatest mysteries why god hisself didn't put more charts into the bible. Life would be so much easier for them if they were given a chance to actually be taught directly by the great chartmaker in the sky. Nevermind the  corelation of data with a liberal bias or facts conforming to reality. With their  great overlord powered by their own fantastical projections of neutered inadequacies showing wrath vs grapes over the wages of death divided by sacrilege they must feel doublely let down by their Creator.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2016,20:41   

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Righteo...from an identity group that can't decide if the earth is more than 4500 years old?. They may as well use bible chapters to fight evolution.

"Born again" YEC John Sanford already did.  His numbnuts "Genetic Entropy" book used as  evidence a chart showing the decreasing life spans of the Biblical patriarchs.



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2016,17:11   

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Time is real and PHYSICAL. It is just as physical as motion. Time has meaning only in relation to space.

Quantum Mechanics is weird because it is the realm of unit space. There is no “inside” to this space; all positions are equivalent, there are no trajectories, etc. All variation is in time. The weirdness comes from forcing a “when” phenomena into a “where” type of reference system.

Special and General Relativity are “local” theories by design and intent. They are out-of-scope when attempts are made to apply them to “non-local” phenomena.

There is more on these themes in: “Beyond Einstein: non-local physics” by Brian Fraser (2015) The free 22 page paper can be downloaded from: http://scripturalphysics.org/4.....s....in.html The .html file gives a link to the .pdf file but the former has additional information, and many more links and insights.

lol

I have no idea who this guy is, but I'd bet real money his stuff's more interesting than BatShit or ClosetFocus.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2016,18:31   

Wow - UD is going from strength to strength, mainly due to solid research by PaV. Fresh from the declaration the Darwinism is dead in June, here in September he has looked into this so-called anthropo-whatsit caused climate change and found that there is nothing to it:
     
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Case closed. End of story!!!

Why? Because the whole AGW scam is predicated on the notion that CO2 drifts up into the stratosphere, and from there radiates back energy which in turn heats up water, which in turns heats up the lower atmosphere where temperatures are recorded. But when modelling simply ghgs, the data don’t match. End of story!

So that's two large groups of scientists now out of work and looking for new jobs.
UD link

Edited by Ptaylor on Sep. 28 2016,12:56

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2016,19:35   

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BrianFraserSeptember 27, 2016 at 3:30 pm
Time is real and PHYSICAL. It is just as physical as motion. Time has meaning only in relation to space.

Quantum Mechanics is weird because it is the realm of unit space. There is no “inside” to this space; all positions are equivalent, there are no trajectories, etc. All variation is in time. The weirdness comes from forcing a “when” phenomena into a “where” type of reference system.

Special and General Relativity are “local” theories by design and intent. They are out-of-scope when attempts are made to apply them to “non-local” phenomena.

There is more on these themes in: “Beyond Einstein: non-local physics” by Brian Fraser (2015) The free 22 page paper can be downloaded from: http://scripturalphysics.org/4.....s....in.html The .html file gives a link to the .pdf file but the former has additional information, and many more links and insights.

lol

I have no idea who this guy is, but I'd bet real money his stuff's more interesting than BatShit or ClosetFocus.

anything from scripturalphysics.org has to be gold.  And the name of my next band.

ETA holy crap was I right:  
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   Why is the speed of light limited to c and not to some other value?

A partial answer:  the speed of light equates to the value of 1/1. It is what the speed of light actually is.  And this is a number with special properties.  
1.  Only 1 is equal to its reciprocal
2.  Only 1 has the property of 10 = 11 = 12 = 13
The real question:  why do humans equate this to 186,000 miles per second?


eta sup tags

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2016,21:45   

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The real question:  why do humans equate this to 186,000 miles per second?


Maybe because those units were defined before people knew about that physical constant? Not to mention that hours, minutes and seconds were defined before people had formed a strong habit of using decimal powers for such things.

BTW, as I understand it, most humans equate c to something close to 300,000 km/sec, which is at least close to a digit times a power of ten, although a bit under that if I remember right.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2016,21:49   

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The real question:  why do humans equate this to 186,000 miles per second?


Maybe because those units were defined before people knew about that physical constant? Not to mention that hours, minutes and seconds were defined before people had formed a strong habit of using decimal powers for such things.

BTW, as I understand it, most humans equate c to something close to 300,000 km/sec, which is at least close to a digit times a power of ten, although a bit under that if I remember right.

Do those who use the metric system really count as humans, though?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2016,21:54   

Sure! They can count faster than people who use miles, yards, feet, and inches, cause they don't have to stop to convert between them!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,08:32   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Sep. 27 2016,19:31)
Wow - UD is going from strength to strength, mainly due to solid research by PaV. Fresh from the declaration the Darwinism is dead in June, here in September he has looked into this so-called anthropo-whatsit caused climate change and found that there is nothing to it:
       
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Case closed. End of story!!!

Why? Because the whole AGW scam is predicated on the notion that CO2 drifts up into the stratosphere, and from there radiates back energy which in turn heats up water, which in turns heats up the lower atmosphere where temperatures are recorded. But when modelling simply ghgs, the data don’t match. End of story!

So that's two large groups of scientists now out of work and looking for new jobs.
UD link

he was arguing with wd400, i believe, and PaV was insisting that CO2 wasn't a greenhouse gas.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,08:34   

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2.  Only 1 has the property of 10 = 11 = 12 = 13

OMG! 1 is teh Multiplicative Identity! This Changes Errthing!!!!!1111

Edited by stevestory on Sep. 28 2016,09:36

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,09:16   

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Why do you think co2 was rocketing up in the last few thousand years?

I’m not really sure, but I suspect it is because earth’s core has been warming up slightly. But it certainly is NOT due to man-made sources.


Right. Those billions of tons of CO2 just couldn't be changing the heat balance of the earth....much more likely the core of the planet is just having those temperature fluctuations, like they do.

Up until this point I underappreciated just how fucking stupid PaV is.

wow

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,10:03   

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DaveS

The evidence for the first mover is very good. Had you said there is evidence but you don’t accept it I would applaud you but in the end you are just another dishonest atheist that are not willing to grapple with the truth.

Grow a pair, and no I don’t care if your feelings are hurt. Dishonesty to oneself about the facts of a matter is the worst kind of deception there can be.
idiots

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,12:11   

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PaVSeptember 27, 2016 at 2:09 pm
 
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Why do you think co2 was rocketing up in the last few thousand years?

I’m not really sure, but I suspect it is because earth’s core has been warming up slightly. But it certainly is NOT due to man-made sources.


Right. Those billions of tons of CO2 just couldn't be changing the heat balance of the earth....much more likely the core of the planet is just having those temperature fluctuations, like they do.

Up until this point I underappreciated just how fucking stupid PaV is.

wow

All he needs is evidence and a mechanism.  

I can see the appeal of this to an IDist.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,12:39   

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All he needs is evidence and a mechanism.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......m)#Plot

It's all there.

WE WERE WARNED  :angry:

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,14:21   

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WJM,
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What difference does that make? Are all your beliefs based on what you consider to be compelling evidence?

For beliefs of the form “X exists”, generally so. I can’t think of any exceptions offhand. How do you decide whether to adopt “X exists” as a belief, assuming you don’t currently know whether it’s true?
 
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The proposition “there is no god” also appears to me to be consistent with what I observe in the world.

Well, I don’t know of any inconsistencies between this proposition and my observations. For example, I’m not aware of a god blatantly intervening in the world, as some people say happens.

 
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AndreSeptember 28, 2016 at 12:39 pm
Wow Jesus Christ was God intervening blatantly with enough written about it by many witnesses. The evidence is compelling and yet DaveS is just not aware. Like I said DaveS you are not being honest.


ironclad scientific arguments

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,14:39   

Lewontin!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,14:55   

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Up until this point I underappreciated just how fucking stupid PaV is.

wow

Those of us who have watched him in action for years at Corny Hunter's place as well as UD have known all along.   :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,15:35   

God Intervening Blatantly

One of the rarer Captcha codes.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,16:34   

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Up until this point I underappreciated just how fucking stupid PaV is.

wow

Those of us who have watched him in action for years at Corny Hunter's place as well as UD have known all along.   :)

Someone who has access over at UD could ask him what the probability of AGW being false is. That should be good for a laugh.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,17:07   

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Why do you think co2 was rocketing up in the last few thousand years?

I’m not really sure, but I suspect it is because earth’s core has been warming up slightly. But it certainly is NOT due to man-made sources.


Right. Those billions of tons of CO2 just couldn't be changing the heat balance of the earth....much more likely the core of the planet is just having those temperature fluctuations, like they do.

Up until this point I underappreciated just how fucking stupid PaV is.

wow

Global menopause.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,17:11   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 28 2016,14:55)
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 28 2016,09:16)
Up until this point I underappreciated just how fucking stupid PaV is.

wow

Those of us who have watched him in action for years at Corny Hunter's place as well as UD have known all along.   :)

His argument is that because CO2 levels in a greenhouse are low, CO2 can't be a greenhouse gas.

You can't make this shit up.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,18:20   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 28 2016,17:11)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 28 2016,14:55)
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Up until this point I underappreciated just how fucking stupid PaV is.

wow

Those of us who have watched him in action for years at Corny Hunter's place as well as UD have known all along.   :)

His argument is that because CO2 levels in a greenhouse are low, CO2 can't be a greenhouse gas.

You can't make this shit up.

Metaphors.  How do they work?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,19:25   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 28 2016,18:20)
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Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 28 2016,09:16)
Up until this point I underappreciated just how fucking stupid PaV is.

wow

Those of us who have watched him in action for years at Corny Hunter's place as well as UD have known all along.   :)

His argument is that because CO2 levels in a greenhouse are low, CO2 can't be a greenhouse gas.

You can't make this shit up.

Metaphors.  How do they work?

What's a metaphor?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,19:50   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 28 2016,17:20)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 28 2016,17:11)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 28 2016,14:55)
 
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 28 2016,09:16)
Up until this point I underappreciated just how fucking stupid PaV is.

wow

Those of us who have watched him in action for years at Corny Hunter's place as well as UD have known all along.   :)

His argument is that because CO2 levels in a greenhouse are low, CO2 can't be a greenhouse gas.

You can't make this shit up.

Metaphors.  How do they work?

They have Insufficient Data to answer that.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,21:15   

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Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 28 2016,18:20)
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Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 28 2016,14:55)
 
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 28 2016,09:16)
Up until this point I underappreciated just how fucking stupid PaV is.

wow

Those of us who have watched him in action for years at Corny Hunter's place as well as UD have known all along.   :)

His argument is that because CO2 levels in a greenhouse are low, CO2 can't be a greenhouse gas.

You can't make this shit up.

Metaphors.  How do they work?

What's a metaphor?

It's related to the orthophor and the paraphor.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2016,22:02   

One phor all and all phor one?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2016,11:05   

The Ubiquitous Miracles Of Our Existence
September 29, 2016 Posted by William J Murray under Intelligent Design
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i can't keep up with all the ID science these days

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2016,11:32   

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The Ubiquitous Miracles Of Our Existence
September 29, 2016 Posted by William J Murray under Intelligent Design
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i can't keep up with all the ID science these days

Moar science!

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“I’m not aware of a god blatantly intervening in the world, as some people say happens.”

Hmmm. I was just out on a river hunting with a friend. One day our outboard motor refused to start. Both my friend and I are rather mechanical, so we worked on the problem. We found that we could get the motor to start if we had lots of throttle on. In fact, it would run fast very well. However, it would immediately die when we tried to slow it to an idle. This was a particular problem because you had to slow it to an idle to shift from neutral to drive.

Our mechanical sense cased us to conclude that the low speed jet in the carburetor was plugged. We decided to overhaul the carburetor in the field. However, we didn’t have sufficient tools to remove the carb so that we could work on it. We were hooped.

I said to my friend, “let me try something”. I prayed a quick prayer asking Jesus to fix the motor, and I pulled the cord. Vrooom. First pull. And the problem was gone forever.

I kinda agree with daveS. If my God didn’t sometimes blatantly intervene in my world, I really doubt that I would be one of his followers.


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