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Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,09:27    Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2012,09:25) Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 05 2012,11:19) Gossip queen Josephine Gallien as at it again! Her new post declares: " "Petruska Sez Let's Turn Liddle's Blog into a Gossip Column!" No comments yet. - Hide Original Post " Wearin a home-made tinfoil hat, Josephine dishes the dirt: "Yup you know you have lost when all you can do is gossip about your opponents as opposed to supporting your position. Well that is exactly what the evoTARDs are doing. " She continues with her science-free gossip: "They have the gossip forum AtBC. They have the gossip forum at the Sucking Faggot Curmudgeon. And now petruska wants to turn the septic zone into a gossip column." Keeping it objective and impersonal: "Nothing says evos are cowardly little faggot liars more than these types of forums and here is petrushka pushing for one more." Seemly unaware of "pot calling kettle black" she cattily quips: "Well that is par for the course- they cannot discuss science as they are totally ignorant of the concept. They cannot discuss the positive evidence for their position because they don't have any. So all they have left is to gossip like little old ladies." and then then between sniffles, she continues to deceive not even herself: "Life is good..." Reapost!  :D That is right Ruichie- YOU are a faggot gossip queen who is totally ignorant of science. That you are proud of your ignorance isn't something to boast about. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,09:28    Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:15) Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:12) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,08:47)   Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,08:44) Joe G. shows up on my blog - he must be getting desperate LoL! The desperation is all yours as YOU are the imbecile misrepesenting the book you are trying to review. I didn't claim I was reviewing the book. I was quite specific about the fact that I was discussing the excerpt posted at EN&V. Hey assface YOU said the book was something that it isn't. What the fuck is your problem? I guess all that stuff in the intro about the positive vision the ID perspective has for biology and evolution means nothing in terms of what the book is about... -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,09:28    Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:26) Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2012,09:24) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:21)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2012,09:19)   Quote "random" wrt biology and evolution refers to random mutaions/ variations UTTER FAIL: http://scholar.google.com/scholar....s_sdtp= More bad news - you've eaten the last of the icecream! Unfortunaetly for RichTARD FAIL blank links do not help its case- it doesn't have a case all it can do is spew cowardly inuedos. There's only 1,490,000 results of scholarly works there, JoeFail. You asserted nonsense, got shown a vast preponderance of real science showing how very wrong you are, and now you're having a good cry. Life is good, fatty. Richie, you ignorant slut- that random walk is due to the random mutations/ variations you fucking loser. What nonsense did I assert and how was it shown to be wrong? Please be SPECIFIC, if you can. Ya see I have provided several references that support my claims. OTOH you have provided nothing that refutes what I said. That's right, sweetheart, double down on stupid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki....om_walk -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,09:30    Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:27) Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2012,09:25) Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 05 2012,11:19) Gossip queen Josephine Gallien as at it again! Her new post declares: " "Petruska Sez Let's Turn Liddle's Blog into a Gossip Column!" No comments yet. - Hide Original Post " Wearin a home-made tinfoil hat, Josephine dishes the dirt: "Yup you know you have lost when all you can do is gossip about your opponents as opposed to supporting your position. Well that is exactly what the evoTARDs are doing. " She continues with her science-free gossip: "They have the gossip forum AtBC. They have the gossip forum at the Sucking Faggot Curmudgeon. And now petruska wants to turn the septic zone into a gossip column." Keeping it objective and impersonal: "Nothing says evos are cowardly little faggot liars more than these types of forums and here is petrushka pushing for one more." Seemly unaware of "pot calling kettle black" she cattily quips: "Well that is par for the course- they cannot discuss science as they are totally ignorant of the concept. They cannot discuss the positive evidence for their position because they don't have any. So all they have left is to gossip like little old ladies." and then then between sniffles, she continues to deceive not even herself: "Life is good..." Reapost!  :D That is right Ruichie- YOU are a faggot gossip queen who is totally ignorant of science. That you are proud of your ignorance isn't something to boast about. Awww Joe, you're shaking.... Shhhhhh, it's okay, we're just having a little laugh. It's okay, we all make mistakes. Just don't tell your family what you do on the internet, okay? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,09:32    Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:28) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:15) Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:12)   Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,08:47)   Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,08:44) Joe G. shows up on my blog - he must be getting desperate LoL! The desperation is all yours as YOU are the imbecile misrepesenting the book you are trying to review. I didn't claim I was reviewing the book. I was quite specific about the fact that I was discussing the excerpt posted at EN&V. Hey assface YOU said the book was something that it isn't. What the fuck is your problem? I guess all that stuff in the intro about the positive vision the ID perspective has for biology and evolution means nothing in terms of what the book is about... No, the introduction pages  that the book is about the "evidence for a Darwinian account of human origins". But perhaps you can quote from it- a quote that supports your claim. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,09:33    Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2012,09:28) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:26) Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2012,09:24)   Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:21)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2012,09:19)     Quote "random" wrt biology and evolution refers to random mutaions/ variations UTTER FAIL: http://scholar.google.com/scholar....s_sdtp= More bad news - you've eaten the last of the icecream! Unfortunaetly for RichTARD FAIL blank links do not help its case- it doesn't have a case all it can do is spew cowardly inuedos. There's only 1,490,000 results of scholarly works there, JoeFail. You asserted nonsense, got shown a vast preponderance of real science showing how very wrong you are, and now you're having a good cry. Life is good, fatty. Richie, you ignorant slut- that random walk is due to the random mutations/ variations you fucking loser. What nonsense did I assert and how was it shown to be wrong? Please be SPECIFIC, if you can. Ya see I have provided several references that support my claims. OTOH you have provided nothing that refutes what I said. That's right, sweetheart, double down on stupid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......om_walk More stupidity from RichTARD FAIL: Quote A random walk is a mathematical formalisation of a path that consists of a succession of random steps. And wrt biology and evolution the random mutations are thiose random steps- -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,09:34    Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2012,09:30) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:27) Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2012,09:25)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 05 2012,11:19) Gossip queen Josephine Gallien as at it again! Her new post declares: " "Petruska Sez Let's Turn Liddle's Blog into a Gossip Column!" No comments yet. - Hide Original Post " Wearin a home-made tinfoil hat, Josephine dishes the dirt: "Yup you know you have lost when all you can do is gossip about your opponents as opposed to supporting your position. Well that is exactly what the evoTARDs are doing. " She continues with her science-free gossip: "They have the gossip forum AtBC. They have the gossip forum at the Sucking Faggot Curmudgeon. And now petruska wants to turn the septic zone into a gossip column." Keeping it objective and impersonal: "Nothing says evos are cowardly little faggot liars more than these types of forums and here is petrushka pushing for one more." Seemly unaware of "pot calling kettle black" she cattily quips: "Well that is par for the course- they cannot discuss science as they are totally ignorant of the concept. They cannot discuss the positive evidence for their position because they don't have any. So all they have left is to gossip like little old ladies." and then then between sniffles, she continues to deceive not even herself: "Life is good..." Reapost!  :D That is right Ruichie- YOU are a faggot gossip queen who is totally ignorant of science. That you are proud of your ignorance isn't something to boast about. Awww Joe, you're shaking.... Shhhhhh, it's okay, we're just having a little laugh. It's okay, we all make mistakes. Just don't tell your family what you do on the internet, okay? You laugh because you are an ignorant moron. I laugh because you are an ignorant moron. Common ground... -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,09:36    My claim: Quote People, evos in particular, seem to have a difficult time understanding the what the word random means with respect to biology and the theory of evolution. Let me see if I can help them out. As plain as can be, with respect to biology and the theory of evolution, the word random means, happenstance, not planned, no purpose nor objective, haphazard, accidental. That's it. So when someone says something about random mutations that is what they are talking about. I have provided several references to support that claim. OTOH Richie just spews his ignorance... -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,09:42    Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:36) My claim:   Quote People, evos in particular, seem to have a difficult time understanding the what the word random means with respect to biology and the theory of evolution. Let me see if I can help them out. As plain as can be, with respect to biology and the theory of evolution, the word random means, happenstance, not planned, no purpose nor objective, haphazard, accidental. That's it. So when someone says something about random mutations that is what they are talking about. I have provided several references to support that claim. OTOH Richie just spews his ignorance... JoeTard, the random in random mutations means the effects of mutations are random WRT reproductive fitness. After all the times you've been corrected why do you remain such a dumbass? -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,09:43    Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:32) Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:28) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:15)   Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:12)   Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,08:47)     Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,08:44) Joe G. shows up on my blog - he must be getting desperate LoL! The desperation is all yours as YOU are the imbecile misrepesenting the book you are trying to review. I didn't claim I was reviewing the book. I was quite specific about the fact that I was discussing the excerpt posted at EN&V. Hey assface YOU said the book was something that it isn't. What the fuck is your problem? I guess all that stuff in the intro about the positive vision the ID perspective has for biology and evolution means nothing in terms of what the book is about... No, the introduction pages  that the book is about the "evidence for a Darwinian account of human origins". But perhaps you can quote from it- a quote that supports your claim. Quote Instead, they share a positive vision that much of biology would make better sense from the perspective of intelligent design rather than unguided Darwinian evolution. -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,09:55    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 12 2012,09:42) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:36) My claim:   Quote People, evos in particular, seem to have a difficult time understanding the what the word random means with respect to biology and the theory of evolution. Let me see if I can help them out. As plain as can be, with respect to biology and the theory of evolution, the word random means, happenstance, not planned, no purpose nor objective, haphazard, accidental. That's it. So when someone says something about random mutations that is what they are talking about. I have provided several references to support that claim. OTOH Richie just spews his ignorance... JoeTard, the random in random mutations means the effects of mutations are random WRT reproductive fitness. After all the times you've been corrected why do you remain such a dumbass? Fuck you asshole. I supported my claim with actual references. BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,09:58    Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:43) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:32) Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:28)   Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:15)   Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:12)     Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,08:47)     Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,08:44) Joe G. shows up on my blog - he must be getting desperate LoL! The desperation is all yours as YOU are the imbecile misrepesenting the book you are trying to review. I didn't claim I was reviewing the book. I was quite specific about the fact that I was discussing the excerpt posted at EN&V. Hey assface YOU said the book was something that it isn't. What the fuck is your problem? I guess all that stuff in the intro about the positive vision the ID perspective has for biology and evolution means nothing in terms of what the book is about... No, the introduction pages  that the book is about the "evidence for a Darwinian account of human origins". But perhaps you can quote from it- a quote that supports your claim. Quote Instead, they share a positive vision that much of biology would make better sense from the perspective of intelligent design rather than unguided Darwinian evolution. What an ignorant fuck- ONE sentence that doesn't even do what you said? Just before your quote-mine: Quote Although much of this book focusses on the shortcomings of Darwinian theory, the scientists represented here are not merely critics of the existing paradigm. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,10:02    Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:55) BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it. LOL! "some people win money in the lottery, so the lottery drawings can't be random"   Thanks fatty JoeTard, that one's a keeper!   It's right up there with your "hail isn't water" claim!   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,10:23    So Joe, you haven't answered my questions on your blog, so I'll repost them here.  That way you can run from them in two places. 1) Since certain areas of DNA have a higher than average mutation rate and certain areas of DNA have a lower than average mutation rate, are the mutations over all of the DNA still random?  Explain your answer (you, not a link). 2) Assume two mutations occur.  In one organism, the mutation results in a 10% greater efficiency in oxygen transport in the blood.  In another organism, a mutation results in a 10% greater vulnerability to a particular common virus.  Is the differential survival of one organism over the other random?  Explain your answer (you, not a link). -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,11:16    Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:58) Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:43) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:32)   Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:28)   Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:15)     Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:12)     Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,08:47)       Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,08:44) Joe G. shows up on my blog - he must be getting desperate LoL! The desperation is all yours as YOU are the imbecile misrepesenting the book you are trying to review. I didn't claim I was reviewing the book. I was quite specific about the fact that I was discussing the excerpt posted at EN&V. Hey assface YOU said the book was something that it isn't. What the fuck is your problem? I guess all that stuff in the intro about the positive vision the ID perspective has for biology and evolution means nothing in terms of what the book is about... No, the introduction pages  that the book is about the "evidence for a Darwinian account of human origins". But perhaps you can quote from it- a quote that supports your claim.   Quote Instead, they share a positive vision that much of biology would make better sense from the perspective of intelligent design rather than unguided Darwinian evolution. What an ignorant fuck- ONE sentence that doesn't even do what you said? Just before your quote-mine: Quote Although much of this book focusses on the shortcomings of Darwinian theory, the scientists represented here are not merely critics of the existing paradigm. Sure it does, you just don't want to admit you can be wrong. I also notice you don't have anything to say regarding my actual critique of Luskin's excerpt, choosing instead to throw up a bunch of distractions and insults. -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,11:17    Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 12 2012,10:23) So Joe, you haven't answered my questions on your blog, so I'll repost them here.  That way you can run from them in two places. 1) Since certain areas of DNA have a higher than average mutation rate and certain areas of DNA have a lower than average mutation rate, are the mutations over all of the DNA still random?  Explain your answer (you, not a link). 2) Assume two mutations occur.  In one organism, the mutation results in a 10% greater efficiency in oxygen transport in the blood.  In another organism, a mutation results in a 10% greater vulnerability to a particular common virus.  Is the differential survival of one organism over the other random?  Explain your answer (you, not a link). Fuck you Kevin. YOU need to answer my questions kevbo: Quote So if one section of DNA has a higher likelihood of mutation than another section... is it still random? Most likely that is by design. However, in the context of the OP and the theory of evolution, ALL genetic changes are random/ happenstance. Tha is if we listen to evolutionary biologists such as Jerry Coyne, Dawkins and Ernst Mayr. Quote if one organism survives because it was born with a gene that increased its muscle efficiency by 0.1% What is the mutation or mutations? Or is this just hypothetical? And what does it have to do with the OP? Be specific Quote another organism died because it was born with a mutation that left it susceptible to a particular virus What is the mutation or mutations? And if the virus is never present in that organism's eco-system the organism has no worries. Survival depends on many variables, Kevin. However you don't understand genetics not evidence so it is all moot. That way YOU can run from that in two places. Why is it that you are too much of a coward to stick with the actual TOPIC? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,11:21    Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,11:16) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:58) Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:43)   Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:32)   Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:28)     Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:15)     Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:12)       Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,08:47)       Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,08:44) Joe G. shows up on my blog - he must be getting desperate LoL! The desperation is all yours as YOU are the imbecile misrepesenting the book you are trying to review. I didn't claim I was reviewing the book. I was quite specific about the fact that I was discussing the excerpt posted at EN&V. Hey assface YOU said the book was something that it isn't. What the fuck is your problem? I guess all that stuff in the intro about the positive vision the ID perspective has for biology and evolution means nothing in terms of what the book is about... No, the introduction pages  that the book is about the "evidence for a Darwinian account of human origins". But perhaps you can quote from it- a quote that supports your claim.   Quote Instead, they share a positive vision that much of biology would make better sense from the perspective of intelligent design rather than unguided Darwinian evolution. What an ignorant fuck- ONE sentence that doesn't even do what you said? Just before your quote-mine:   Quote Although much of this book focusses on the shortcomings of Darwinian theory, the scientists represented here are not merely critics of the existing paradigm. Sure it does, you just don't want to admit you can be wrong. I also notice you don't have anything to say regarding my actual critique of Luskin's excerpt, choosing instead to throw up a bunch of distractions and insults. I can be wrong. In this case, however, YOU are wrong. Obvioulsy you are too afraid to admit that. And I don't care abouut fossils as they amount to "I wouldn't have seen it if I didn't already believe it.", and they fit in nicely under Shermer's "patternicity". I say biological theories need to explain the BIOLOGICAL data and evidence. And by doing that we will find the explanation for the fossils. So you and Casey can go play with the fossils... -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,11:24    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 12 2012,10:02) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:55) BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it. LOL! "some people win money in the lottery, so the lottery drawings can't be random"   Thanks fatty JoeTard, that one's a keeper!   It's right up there with your "hail isn't water" claim!  :D :D :D Umm hail is made up of ICE, dumbass. RAIN is made up of water. http://www.merriam-webster.com/diction....ain 1 a: water falling in drops condensed from vapor in the atmosphere http://education.yahoo.com/referen....ail 1 Precipitation in the form of spherical or irregular pellets of ice larger than 5 millimeters (0.2 inches) in diameter -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,11:26    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 12 2012,10:02) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:55) BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it. LOL! "some people win money in the lottery, so the lottery drawings can't be random"   Thanks fatty JoeTard, that one's a keeper!   It's right up there with your "hail isn't water" claim!  :D :D :D BTW assface, I have supported my claim pertaining to random muations with actual references. And all you have for support are you and your other socks... -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,11:29    Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:55) BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it. Face it fatty JoeTard - you've said some incredibly stupid things in your defense of Creationism, but "some variations are beneficial so they can't be random" is right up there with the best! And you're still too stupid to understand what 'random' in random mutations means.     -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,11:31    Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,11:21) Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,11:16) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:58)   Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:43)   Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:32)     Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:28)     Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:15)       Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:12)       Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,08:47)         Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,08:44) Joe G. shows up on my blog - he must be getting desperate LoL! The desperation is all yours as YOU are the imbecile misrepesenting the book you are trying to review. I didn't claim I was reviewing the book. I was quite specific about the fact that I was discussing the excerpt posted at EN&V. Hey assface YOU said the book was something that it isn't. What the fuck is your problem? I guess all that stuff in the intro about the positive vision the ID perspective has for biology and evolution means nothing in terms of what the book is about... No, the introduction pages  that the book is about the "evidence for a Darwinian account of human origins". But perhaps you can quote from it- a quote that supports your claim.     Quote Instead, they share a positive vision that much of biology would make better sense from the perspective of intelligent design rather than unguided Darwinian evolution. What an ignorant fuck- ONE sentence that doesn't even do what you said? Just before your quote-mine:   Quote Although much of this book focusses on the shortcomings of Darwinian theory, the scientists represented here are not merely critics of the existing paradigm. Sure it does, you just don't want to admit you can be wrong. I also notice you don't have anything to say regarding my actual critique of Luskin's excerpt, choosing instead to throw up a bunch of distractions and insults. I can be wrong. In this case, however, YOU are wrong. Obvioulsy you are too afraid to admit that. And I don't care abouut fossils as they amount to "I wouldn't have seen it if I didn't already believe it.", and they fit in nicely under Shermer's "patternicity". I say biological theories need to explain the BIOLOGICAL data and evidence. And by doing that we will find the explanation for the fossils. So you and Casey can go play with the fossils... cop out... -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,11:31    Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,11:24) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 12 2012,10:02)   Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:55) BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it. LOL! "some people win money in the lottery, so the lottery drawings can't be random"   Thanks fatty JoeTard, that one's a keeper!   It's right up there with your "hail isn't water" claim!  :D :D :D Umm hail is made up of ICE, dumbass. RAIN is made up of water. http://www.merriam-webster.com/diction........ain 1 a: water falling in drops condensed from vapor in the atmosphere http://education.yahoo.com/referen........ail 1 Precipitation in the form of spherical or irregular pellets of ice larger than 5 millimeters (0.2 inches) in diameter And ice is made of? Edit to fix typo -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,11:33    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 12 2012,11:29) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:55) BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it. Face it fatty JoeTard - you've said some incredibly stupid things in your defense of Creationism, but "some variations are beneficial so they can't be random" is right up there with the best! And you're still too stupid to understand what 'random' in random mutations means. :D  :D  :D What a fucking quote-mining cowardly little faggot you are. YOU spewed that mutations are random wrt fitness- YOU. I just pointed out that is incorrect as the variations can directly affect fitness, so they can't be random wrt it. Don't blame me because you are too stupid to understand that. And don't blame me because YOU are too much of an ignorant asswipe to understand my references, which support my ORIGINAL claim. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,11:34    Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,11:31) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,11:24)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 12 2012,10:02)   Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:55) BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it. LOL! "some people win money in the lottery, so the lottery drawings can't be random"   Thanks fatty JoeTard, that one's a keeper!   It's right up there with your "hail isn't water" claim!  :D :D :D Umm hail is made up of ICE, dumbass. RAIN is made up of water. http://www.merriam-webster.com/diction........ain 1 a: water falling in drops condensed from vapor in the atmosphere http://education.yahoo.com/referen........ail 1 Precipitation in the form of spherical or irregular pellets of ice larger than 5 millimeters (0.2 inches) in diameter And ice is made of? Edit to fix typo Specific molecules of H2O Hail is made up of ICE. Why are evos so fucking desperate that they have to make an issue out of that fact? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,11:35    Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,11:31) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,11:21) Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,11:16)   Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:58)   Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:43)     Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:32)     Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:28)       Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:15)       Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,09:12)         Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,08:47)         Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 12 2012,08:44) Joe G. shows up on my blog - he must be getting desperate LoL! The desperation is all yours as YOU are the imbecile misrepesenting the book you are trying to review. I didn't claim I was reviewing the book. I was quite specific about the fact that I was discussing the excerpt posted at EN&V. Hey assface YOU said the book was something that it isn't. What the fuck is your problem? I guess all that stuff in the intro about the positive vision the ID perspective has for biology and evolution means nothing in terms of what the book is about... No, the introduction pages  that the book is about the "evidence for a Darwinian account of human origins". But perhaps you can quote from it- a quote that supports your claim.     Quote Instead, they share a positive vision that much of biology would make better sense from the perspective of intelligent design rather than unguided Darwinian evolution. What an ignorant fuck- ONE sentence that doesn't even do what you said? Just before your quote-mine:     Quote Although much of this book focusses on the shortcomings of Darwinian theory, the scientists represented here are not merely critics of the existing paradigm. Sure it does, you just don't want to admit you can be wrong. I also notice you don't have anything to say regarding my actual critique of Luskin's excerpt, choosing instead to throw up a bunch of distractions and insults. I can be wrong. In this case, however, YOU are wrong. Obvioulsy you are too afraid to admit that. And I don't care abouut fossils as they amount to "I wouldn't have seen it if I didn't already believe it.", and they fit in nicely under Shermer's "patternicity". I say biological theories need to explain the BIOLOGICAL data and evidence. And by doing that we will find the explanation for the fossils. So you and Casey can go play with the fossils... cop out... Fucking reality- which obvioulsy you are too much of a coward to face. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,11:35    Joe's mind: where consillience goes to die. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,11:35    Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,11:24)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 12 2012,10:02)   Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:55) BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it. LOL! "some people win money in the lottery, so the lottery drawings can't be random"   Thanks fatty JoeTard, that one's a keeper!   It's right up there with your "hail isn't water" claim!  :D :D :D Umm hail is made up of ICE, dumbass. RAIN is made up of water. http://www.merriam-webster.com/diction........ain 1 a: water falling in drops condensed from vapor in the atmosphere http://education.yahoo.com/referen........ail 1 Precipitation in the form of spherical or irregular pellets of ice larger than 5 millimeters (0.2 inches) in diameter http://education.yahoo.com/referen....en....e ice:  Water frozen solid. A surface, layer, or mass of frozen water. fatty JoeTard may be the most stupid person posting on the web. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,11:37    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 12 2012,11:35) Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,11:24)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 12 2012,10:02)     Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,09:55) BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it. LOL! "some people win money in the lottery, so the lottery drawings can't be random"   Thanks fatty JoeTard, that one's a keeper!   It's right up there with your "hail isn't water" claim!  :D :D :D Umm hail is made up of ICE, dumbass. RAIN is made up of water. http://www.merriam-webster.com/diction........ain 1 a: water falling in drops condensed from vapor in the atmosphere http://education.yahoo.com/referen........ail 1 Precipitation in the form of spherical or irregular pellets of ice larger than 5 millimeters (0.2 inches) in diameter http://education.yahoo.com/referen....en....e ice:  Water frozen solid. A surface, layer, or mass of frozen water. fatty JoeTard may be the most stupid person posting on the web. Water is melted ICE- the water here allegedly came from ICE locked away in asteroids, comets and meteors. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,11:39    thorton/ occam's asshole/ fartmax How many other socks do you have? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2012,11:44    Quote (Joe G @ Aug. 12 2012,11:33) I just pointed out that is incorrect as the variations can directly affect fitness, so they can't be random wrt it. Please explain fatty JoeTard - genetic variations can affect fitness from extremely deleterious to extremely beneficial, and you have no way of knowing beforehand what the effects will be.  How then are the variations not random wrt fitness? See if you can put that other fatty foot in your stupid mouth. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

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