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carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,11:05    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,11:00) Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 11 2012,10:50)   Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,10:46)     Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 11 2012,10:43) Hey, everybody?  Looks who's back.   And carlsonjok farts, right on cue.... I've noticed, Joe, is that no one over at UD seems to talk to you much.  It must suck that you have to come here for any kind of human interaction.   I've noticed, dickhead, is evotards are full of themselves and are a bunch of gossiping cowards, and are not humans. I see that your command of grammar rivals your grasp on the sciences. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,11:14    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 11 2012,11:02) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,10:57) And after centuries of study we still don't know exactly who nor how... But we know who. Human beings. If you want the name of the builder the invoice is probably gone after all this time. So too bad. And that's much more then ID can tell us about anything at all. Human beings built Stonehenge. That single sentence contains more hard facts then ID does in it's entirety. Oh yeah, as if just saying "human beings" tells us exactly who- and we don't even know that humans built Stonehenge, so you are full of shit. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,11:16    Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 11 2012,11:05) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,11:00)   Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 11 2012,10:50)   Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,10:46)     Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 11 2012,10:43) Hey, everybody?  Looks who's back.   And carlsonjok farts, right on cue.... I've noticed, Joe, is that no one over at UD seems to talk to you much.  It must suck that you have to come here for any kind of human interaction.   I've noticed, dickhead, is evotards are full of themselves and are a bunch of gossiping cowards, and are not humans. I see that your command of grammar rivals your grasp on the sciences. If your grasp on science matched your grasp on your little wee-wee, you would be a great scientist. Unfortunately you don't have a fucking clue about science... -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,11:26    Poor little Joey Gallien. No one will play with him. No one likes him. WAAAAAAAAAAH! -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,11:30    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,12:16) Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 11 2012,11:05) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,11:00)   Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 11 2012,10:50)     Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,10:46)       Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 11 2012,10:43) Hey, everybody?  Looks who's back.   And carlsonjok farts, right on cue.... I've noticed, Joe, is that no one over at UD seems to talk to you much.  It must suck that you have to come here for any kind of human interaction.   I've noticed, dickhead, is evotards are full of themselves and are a bunch of gossiping cowards, and are not humans. I see that your command of grammar rivals your grasp on the sciences. If your grasp on science matched your grasp on your little wee-wee, you would be a great scientist. Unfortunately you don't have a fucking clue about science... Oh we are going to dick measure, are we? Joe, how many papers have you published? DAT ASS -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,11:31    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,11:16) Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 11 2012,11:05) I see that your command of grammar rivals your grasp on the sciences. If your grasp on science matched your grasp on your little wee-wee, you would be a great scientist. Unfortunately you don't have a fucking clue about science... 'tis true.  I is a moran.   I do have a serious question regarding how you calculated the CSI of a cake.  If a normal cake has X bits of CSI, does this cake: have 2X bits of CSI or X2 bits of CSI? -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,11:33    why should *anyone* take what you say seriously?  be persuasive here, you should note that *no one* takes you seriously so you have your work cut out in front of you. telic tards?  no one took you seriously UD dustbin?  no one took you seriously ATBC?  no one takes you seriously TSZ?  no one takes you seriously do you see a pattern, stupid? I'm sure that it's because evotards are gay and terrified of your devastating "critiques" that you pound into your blog, right? -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,11:41    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 11 2012,11:33) telic tards?  no one took you seriously UD dustbin?  no one took you seriously ATBC?  no one takes you seriously TSZ?  no one takes you seriously do you see a pattern, stupid? Maybe it is because nobody understands exactly what a genius Joe really is. I mean he can lecture biologists about biology, he pwns physicists on the subject of physics, knows more about genetic algorithms than people who actually use them, heck just today he was schooling an archeologist about archeology.  Joe must be one of the smartest people alive. Edited by carlsonjok on Mar. 11 2012,11:42 -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,11:43    that's the thing i don't understand, nobody goes down to the barn and knocks the hog dicks out of his mouth and says "UR DOING THAT ALL RONG STOPID" when he is clearly the expert, whats the matter with a simple reciprocal courtesy? -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,11:43    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 11 2012,11:33) why should *anyone* take what you say seriously?  be persuasive here, you should note that *no one* takes you seriously so you have your work cut out in front of you. telic tards?  no one took you seriously UD dustbin?  no one took you seriously ATBC?  no one takes you seriously TSZ?  no one takes you seriously do you see a pattern, stupid? I'm sure that it's because evotards are gay and terrified of your devastating "critiques" that you pound into your blog, right? Hey dickhead- no one takes you evotards seriously- all you do is gossip- and that is because you have nothing else. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,11:56    yet we are publishing papers furthering science and you are..... doing what?  fantasizing about being relevant? eta moar LOLS Edited by Erasmus, FCD on Mar. 11 2012,14:03 -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,12:04    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,11:43) Hey dickhead- no one takes you evotards seriously- all you do is gossip- and that is because you have nothing else. You're right Joey.  The evolutionary sciences have nothing. Well, except the peer reviewed science journals.  We do have hundreds of those.  And the millions of peer reviewed scientific papers with positive supporting evidence published over the last 100 years.  We have those too.  And the colleges and universities.  And the natural history museums.  And the professional science labs.  And all the successful public companies that use evolution to produce their products.  Yep, we've got them also. But that's nothing compared to the super genius who experiments with ticks and watermelons, and who calculates the CSI of a cake by counting the letters in the recipe. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,12:05    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,10:58) Quote (olegt @ Mar. 11 2012,10:53) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,10:41) And that is what separates mere complexity (Shannon) from specified complexity. Shannon's measure of information has nothing to do with complexity. Kolmogorov's does. You really need to focus on context.... You can't focus on context if you don't get your definitions right. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,12:08    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,11:43) Hey dickhead- no one takes you evotards seriously- all you do is gossip- and that is because you have nothing else. Then why do the fine folks at Uncommon Descent obsess over evolution? Why do ID scholars write their stuff to disprove theory of evolution? -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,12:41    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 11 2012,12:04) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,11:43) Hey dickhead- no one takes you evotards seriously- all you do is gossip- and that is because you have nothing else. You're right Joey.  The evolutionary sciences have nothing. Well, except the peer reviewed science journals.  We do have hundreds of those.  And the millions of peer reviewed scientific papers with positive supporting evidence published over the last 100 years.  We have those too.  And the colleges and universities.  And the natural history museums.  And the professional science labs.  And all the successful public companies that use evolution to produce their products.  Yep, we've got them also. But that's nothing compared to the super genius who experiments with ticks and watermelons, and who calculates the CSI of a cake by counting the letters in the recipe. Nice equivocation- unfortunately there isn't anything in any peer-reviewed journal that demonstrates blind and undirected chemical processes can construct new, useful multi-protein configurations. What would the hypothesis even be? But this is typical evoTARD cowardice- to equivocate- nice job -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,12:43    Quote (olegt @ Mar. 11 2012,12:05) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,10:58) Quote (olegt @ Mar. 11 2012,10:53)   Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,10:41) And that is what separates mere complexity (Shannon) from specified complexity. Shannon's measure of information has nothing to do with complexity. Kolmogorov's does. You really need to focus on context.... You can't focus on context if you don't get your definitions right. oleg- Kevin was talking about two complex sequences wrt Shannon. My response was in that context. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,12:43    ALL SCIENCE SO FAR -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,12:45    Quote (olegt @ Mar. 11 2012,12:08) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,11:43) Hey dickhead- no one takes you evotards seriously- all you do is gossip- and that is because you have nothing else. Then why do the fine folks at Uncommon Descent obsess over evolution? Why do ID scholars write their stuff to disprove theory of evolution? :D Nice nonsequitur- you don't seem to understand English. 1- No one at UD obsesses over "evolution"- only tards think ID is anti-evolution 2- AGAIN the way to the design inference is through materialism, which means the current ToE has to be refuted- however it is difficult to refute something so fucking vague and useless. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,12:46    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 11 2012,12:43) ALL SCIENCE SO FAR Exactly- but that is all you have- ya see, moron, if your position had the science there wouldn't be any ID as the way to ID is through your position. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,12:48    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 11 2012,11:56) yet we are publishing papers furthering science and you are..... doing what?  fantasizing about relevant? Bullshit- your position doesn't have anything to do with science and there aren't any published papers pertaining to blind and undirected chemical processes constructing new, useful protein configurantions. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,12:56    Hey Joe, you previously claimed that you could measure the CSI of a cake by counting the letters in the recipe.   Quote Joe G: "And if you already have the instructions and want to measure the information? Again just count the bits in the instructions. For example a cake would, at a minimum, contain all the information in the recipe." link Please explain to me why the CSI of the cake changes depending on what language the recipe is written it. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,13:02    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,13:48) Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 11 2012,11:56) yet we are publishing papers furthering science and you are..... doing what?  fantasizing about relevant? Bullshit- your position doesn't have anything to do with science and there aren't any published papers pertaining to blind and undirected chemical processes constructing new, useful protein configurantions. how sad that no one else on the entire planet recognizes your genius.   you and every other street corner crackpot are just sooo.... misunderstood Joseph Gallien, the Emperor Norton of Intelligent Design Creationism -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,13:24    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,12:46) Exactly- but that is all you have- ya see, moron, if your position had the science there wouldn't be any ID as the way to ID is through your position. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,13:29    Quote Dude, buy a fucking vowel- archaeologists cannot say one fucking thing about the designers until they determine they even existed. And they do that by finding evidence of their existence via the determination of artifacts I have never said otherwise. The questions are what does ID do with that once design has been identified? What does Archaeology do with that once design has been identified? Once design has been identified ID abandons the scientific endeavor and refuses to go further, your responses to this question are a case in point. If archaeology were to limit itself to the identification of design we would have to throw out the past 200 or so years of archaeological history and would be no different than arrowhead collectors. For archaeology, however identifying design is a trivial component of the field. Once design has been inferred archaeology proceeds to use the designed items to learn something about the designer. Archaeology is concerned with answering the same questions about past peoples that cultural anthropologists ask about contemporary peoples. -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

Tony M Nyphot Posts: 491 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,13:45    Joe, I've been reading your tripe* for a number of years. I can't believe you are really as dense and pathologically stupid as your writing in various locations makes you out to be. So...my guess would be you put on a moronic and pathetic act because you get some demented pleasure out of making people much, much smarter than you engage your blatant idiocy. But then I question why anyone would waste years of time in their mother's basement watching ticks on watermelons and arguing ice is not water. Whether it's an act or you really are THE stupidest congenital dullard the Internet has ever seen, I thank you for laughs. And either way, what an utter senseless waste of human life you've turned out to be. * (not to be insulting to ruminant stomachs, as it were) -------------- "I, OTOH, am an underachiever...I either pee my pants or faint dead away..." FTK "You could always wrap fresh fish in the paper you publish it on, though, and sell that." - Field Man on how to find value in Gary Gaulin's real-science "theory"

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,13:51    Quote How did the cut and carve the granite and diorite? Prehistoric stone working techniques are well known (see here for an overview). We have evidence from abandoned quarries that contain work abandoned in every step of the process, including stones ready to move and stones where something went a stray. We also have stones abandoned mid transport. We also have the tools they used to cut those stones. The stone at Pumapunku is actually red sandstone and andesite (the extrusive equivalent of diorite and is a stone of moderate hardness) both are easily workable. The largest stone (a red sandstone) weighs 131 tons. The second largest weighs 85 tons. After that, the weights fall off. The 9 ton block was chosen because this was a proof of concept experiment - something you are apparently unfamiliar with. From the article I quoted: Quote But now that we had the method down and understood more about the lake, we could probably transport hundreds of tons of stone in a season before the boat gave out. That's just one crew with one boat. A flotilla of boats could, easily, transport thousands of tons of rock a year. Edit to add picture: -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

noncarborundum Posts: 320 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,14:14    Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Mar. 11 2012,13:45) Joe, I've been reading your tripe* for a number of years. I can't believe you are really as dense and pathologically stupid as your writing in various locations makes you out to be. So...my guess would be you put on a moronic and pathetic act because you get some demented pleasure out of making people much, much smarter than you engage your blatant idiocy. But then I question why anyone would waste years of time in their mother's basement watching ticks on watermelons and arguing ice is not water. Whether it's an act or you really are THE stupidest congenital dullard the Internet has ever seen, I thank you for laughs. And either way, what an utter senseless waste of human life you've turned out to be. * (not to be insulting to ruminant stomachs, as it were) Actual tripe makes a tasty soup.  Joe's effluvia, not so much. -------------- "The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,15:06    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2012,12:43) oleg- Kevin was talking about two complex sequences wrt Shannon. My response was in that context. What the hell does it mean "complex wrt Shannon?" This word salad makes no sense. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,16:15    Aww I missed at. Over at Intelligent Reasoning, (not t be confused with Joe's other blog, Guano Pottymouth), Joe is still having a good cry about not understanding Schubin. Bless! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,16:31    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 11 2012,16:15) Aww I missed at. Over at Intelligent Reasoning, (not t be confused with Joe's other blog, Guano Pottymouth), Joe is still having a good cry about not understanding Schubin. Bless! Intervention! -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

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