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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2007,19:12   

BarryA pontificates:

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A measuring standard is not the same thing as the phenomenon to be measured. The freezing point of water under given conditions (whatever those conditions are) is what it is. There can be no compromise on that. If the freezing point of water under given conditions is X, if someone says it is Y, they are wrong. They are not kind of wrong or partially wrong. They are just wrong. There can be no compromise between those who posit X and those who posit Y.


He apparently never heard of supercooled water.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2007,19:24   

Rather oddly, although it was Ftk's comment that prompted BarryA's clarion call to rigidity and take-no-prisoners polarization, and he has offered several responses directed to specific comments/commenters in this thread, he has ignored Ftk's own reply.

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bystander



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2007,19:33   

Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 19 2007,09:21)
Quote (Freelurker @ Dec. 17 2007,19:41)
I made a comment over three hours ago over here:
Why Mathematicians, Computer Scientists, and Engineers Tend to be More Skeptical of Darwinian Claims

But the comment is "still in moderation," so I'll post it here just in case:
 
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Freelurker
12/17/2007
6:33 pm
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Gil wrote: “…we must demonstrate that our stuff can actually work in the real world, or at least that it has a reasonable prospect of working in the real world. ”

That’s right, we have to provide mechanistic descriptions. We produce models.

Tell us, what is the ID model of the history of life? Oh, that’s right you don’t have one; IDists excuse themselves from that.

That’s why great majority of Mathematicians, Computer Scientists, and Engineers find ID to be useless. (On what basis can I speak on behalf of these groups? It’s the same basis you have.)

BTW, for any of you who don't know, I am an engineer myself.

Rev. Barky is an engineer, too. I get a lot of people saying "I'm an engineer, too" at my blog, and ranting "How can these twits say this shit!"

I’m waiting to hear why "so many doctors and veterinarians" are creationists. Now there's a poser. [Bill Frist: "I hear the ape's heart in my stethoscope; it makes you feel so connected to them." No duh! Huckabee, the poorer man's Frist.] :)

I'm an engineer as well. I think that engineers seem to be over-represented because all of the reality based engineers don't pepper their posts with "As an Engineer ... " unless the subject is about engineering, whereas the creationists are right into credentialism. This is pretty much the same for everybody at ATBC, I know we have some pretty heavy credential, but very rarely does somebody say "As a double Phd in flapdoodle ...".

  
carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2007,19:46   

Quote (bystander @ Dec. 18 2007,19:33)
   
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 19 2007,09:21)
     
Quote (Freelurker @ Dec. 17 2007,19:41)
BTW, for any of you who don't know, I am an engineer myself.

Rev. Barky is an engineer, too. I get a lot of people saying "I'm an engineer, too" at my blog, and ranting "How can these twits say this shit!"

I’m waiting to hear why "so many doctors and veterinarians" are creationists. Now there's a poser. [Bill Frist: "I hear the ape's heart in my stethoscope; it makes you feel so connected to them." No duh! Huckabee, the poorer man's Frist.] :)

I'm an engineer as well. I think that engineers seem to be over-represented because all of the reality based engineers don't pepper their posts with "As an Engineer ... " unless the subject is about engineering, whereas the creationists are right into credentialism. This is pretty much the same for everybody at ATBC, I know we have some pretty heavy credential, but very rarely does somebody say "As a double Phd in flapdoodle ...".

I am also an engineer, but my take is a little bit different.  I have, on occasion, passed on the old saying that man tends to create God in his own image. ID appeals to engineers because, in ID, God is an engineer. The Supreme Engineer, if you will.

As far as veterinarians being creationists, I have not been so blessed as to have a creationist vet even out here in Oklahoma. In fact, my wife and I were talking with our equine vet one time and he was struggling to explain virus evolution without actually using the  "E" word.   As he fumbled for a safe way to explain it,  we finally said "Oh, you mean it evolved?"  The conversation went quite a bit smoother after that.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2007,19:52   

Quote (bystander @ Dec. 18 2007,18:33)
 
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 19 2007,09:21)
   
Quote (Freelurker @ Dec. 17 2007,19:41)
I made a comment over three hours ago over here:
Why Mathematicians, Computer Scientists, and Engineers Tend to be More Skeptical of Darwinian Claims

But the comment is "still in moderation," so I'll post it here just in case:
 
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Freelurker
12/17/2007
6:33 pm
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Gil wrote: “…we must demonstrate that our stuff can actually work in the real world, or at least that it has a reasonable prospect of working in the real world. ”

That’s right, we have to provide mechanistic descriptions. We produce models.

Tell us, what is the ID model of the history of life? Oh, that’s right you don’t have one; IDists excuse themselves from that.

That’s why great majority of Mathematicians, Computer Scientists, and Engineers find ID to be useless. (On what basis can I speak on behalf of these groups? It’s the same basis you have.)

BTW, for any of you who don't know, I am an engineer myself.

Rev. Barky is an engineer, too. I get a lot of people saying "I'm an engineer, too" at my blog, and ranting "How can these twits say this shit!"

I’m waiting to hear why "so many doctors and veterinarians" are creationists. Now there's a poser. [Bill Frist: "I hear the ape's heart in my stethoscope; it makes you feel so connected to them." No duh! Huckabee, the poorer man's Frist.] :)

I'm an engineer as well. I think that engineers seem to be over-represented because all of the reality based engineers don't pepper their posts with "As an Engineer ... " unless the subject is about engineering, whereas the creationists are right into credentialism. This is pretty much the same for everybody at ATBC, I know we have some pretty heavy credential, but very rarely does somebody say "As a double Phd in flapdoodle ...".

Good point. And maybe we shouldn't trust these people when they call themselves "engineers," also.

And mayhap the, shall we say, dearth of biologists, anthropologists, etc. makes the "engineers" stand out. :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2007,21:14   

Kristine - We're talking about IDers, so I think this image portrays them better:



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2007,21:30   

Ari, you rock.  Who are you again?

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The people who come up with such ideas as the multiverse to avoid ID are evolutionists and they certainly know calculus. They’ll take a truck filled with calculus and dump it all over you.


Oh god that is good shit.  p.noyola and Ari-Freedom are killing me.  

p.noyola is trawling
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Is there simply something “i can’t tell you what it is, but I know it when I see it” about design? The argument just seems to go absolutely nowhere, in huge circles, like we’re having a big Google and Wikipedia fight.


haha


Semiotic 007 is not even puppeting, just raising hell.  good stuff.
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Maverick geniuses are very rare, and if you ever seem to be surrounded by them, you can count on it that appearances are deceiving.

Now, wasn't Born^Again posting on PT as Semiotic 007?  Anyone care to enlighten me about this via ye olde P. M.?  I bet that got his goat but I missed it.

back to the mines

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2007,22:09   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 18 2007,18:23)
 
Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 18 2007,16:52)
Also, how many blogs does this make for Denyse? Six? Seven?

Almost as many blogs as Lou!

Hey now.  I only started eight for myself.  The others were for other people who needed help.

Plus, of those eight, three were moves.  That's a net of five blogs of my own.  Two of them are for me only, for notes and projects.

So that means I'm only clogging the blogosphere with crap on three blogs, none of which are as crappy as Granny Tard's.

So there.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,03:26   

Sock puppet or just another IDiot?      
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ari-freedom
12/19/2007 2:34 am
It all boils down to evidence to me. If the cambrian explosion was replicated in the lab, do you think anyone would *not* believe in evolution, even with all the mathematical arguments against it? Math can help in our understanding of reality but they can’t make up a reality that doesn’t exist.

Personally, I'd love to see the size of that lab!  Not to mention the team that runs the experiment for ten million years.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,03:26   

Quote (Freelurker @ Dec. 17 2007,21:41)
I made a comment over three hours ago over here:
Why Mathematicians, Computer Scientists, and Engineers Tend to be More Skeptical of Darwinian Claims

But the comment is "still in moderation," so I'll post it here just in case:
               
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Freelurker
12/17/2007
6:33 pm
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Gil wrote: “…we must demonstrate that our stuff can actually work in the real world, or at least that it has a reasonable prospect of working in the real world. ”

That’s right, we have to provide mechanistic descriptions. We produce models.

Tell us, what is the ID model of the history of life? Oh, that’s right you don’t have one; IDists excuse themselves from that.

That’s why great majority of Mathematicians, Computer Scientists, and Engineers find ID to be useless. (On what basis can I speak on behalf of these groups? It’s the same basis you have.)

BTW, for any of you who don't know, I am an engineer myself.

           
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 17 2007,21:53)
Oh that ain't never seein' the light of day over at the Tard Factory.  Good call to post it here.


(Indeed, my comment did not appear at UD, and no, I'm not really surprised.)

Thanks to all of you who chimed in here on this. I agree with all of your comments, to various degrees.

I would like to take this chance to give my opinion that ID critics, in general, are missing opportunities in the way they handle IDist engineers (as well as the IDist engineer wannabes and the IDist engineers-in-name-only.)

It’s true that an engineering career does not typically include much study of biology or of philosophy. But it does call for styles of thinking that are consistent with science and are inconsistent with ID. Comparisons between science and engineering work against the ID position. We should call on them to think more like engineers when they study the history of life or the history of the cosmos. That’s the approach that I have taken in my various comments over at UD. (With only a small effect, of course.)  

The first major way to do this is to point out that engineers take a materialist approach in their work just as scientists do (and for the same reasons.) IDist engineers don't have any problem spending their work days without seriously considering if a non-material intelligent agent is affecting, or will affect, the system on which they are working. But then they go home and get on their blogs and berate scientists for behaving the same way. Many of them make their hypocrisy even more apparent by taking a position that engineers are a type of scientist.

The second major way is to talk in terms of models and modeling. Point out that models are as fundamental to science as they are to engineering and that they are purposefully absent from ID. If they can't get this part about modeling (which most of them won't) then they can't be helped (and most of them can't.)

(Yes, I realize that these approaches can only affect the lurkers and the fence-sitters.)

There are other angles to this that I would like to talk about, but I need to finish this comment. The upshot is that our side is the one supported by comparisons between science, ID, and engineering.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,06:40   

Dembski apparently thought that one of DT's comments on a "private listserv" deserved a wider audience, so it appears on UD this morning. The question was about the fundamentals of biological science; what do you need to know to do biological research. Dave's answer (and Dembski's agreement) show just how little they understand about modern biology (no surprise here).    
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The salient question is what CAN’T you do in practical biology without resort to mechanistic theories of prehistoric evolution. The answer appears to be there is nothing you can’t do. Modern biology is the study of living tissue not imprints in rocks or theoretical ancient ancestors. Knowledge of The Edge of Evolution is critical in some areas. One needs to know, for instance, the mutational means that pathogenic microorganisms employ to thwart therapeutic drugs just as one needs to know they don’t have to worry about those same microorganisms mutating into substantially new phenotypes. One has no need at all to subscribe to any theory that supposes the same organisms had substantially different ancestors millions of years ago. There is no practical application for the theory that chance and necessity turned mud to man over billions of years. Whether true or not the supposed RM+NS mechanism over deep time works too slowly to have any practical consequence measured over the course of hundreds of years except at the fringes where one or several random nucleotide changes effect medically important consequences without otherwise notable phenotype change.

The FACTS are that molecular biology is both informed by and a source of information for evolutionary theory; fossils in DNA (ice fish globin genes, ERVs, pseudogenes, etc.) make sense in an evolutionary framework and no sense at all from a design standpoint. In addition, Dave  seems to have a faulty memory. I had a couple of exchanges on FtK's blog, where he participated, patiently pointing out how knowledge of common descent allowed biologists and chemists to efficiently develop a source of a cancer chemotherapy drug, and why doctors need to understand evolutionary theory when dealing with nosocomial infections. I guess he forgot those.

And I guess I forgot about all those drugs and therapies that have been developed on the basis of ID theory. Maybe some of the commenters on that thread (none yet) will jog my memory...

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,07:53   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 19 2007,03:26)
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/biology/are-those-without-formal-academic-training-in-evolutionary-biology-justified-in-challengin


g-the-experts/#comment-157118]Sock puppet or just another IDiot?[/URL]        
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ari-freedom
12/19/2007 2:34 am
It all boils down to evidence to me. If the cambrian explosion was replicated in the lab, do you think anyone would *not* believe in evolution, even with all the mathematical arguments against it? Math can help in our understanding of reality but they can’t make up a reality that doesn’t exist.

Personally, I'd love to see the size of that lab!  Not to mention the team that runs the experiment for ten million years.

They should have plenty of room at the prestigious Evolutionary Informatics Laboratory; the fact that they're not doing any other research also frees up a lot of time.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,08:01   

Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 19 2007,07:53)
Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 19 2007,03:26)
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/biology/are-those-without-formal-academic-training-in-evolutionary-biology-justified-in-challengin




g-the-experts/#comment-157118]Sock puppet or just another IDiot?[/URL]          
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ari-freedom
12/19/2007 2:34 am
It all boils down to evidence to me. If the cambrian explosion was replicated in the lab, do you think anyone would *not* believe in evolution, even with all the mathematical arguments against it? Math can help in our understanding of reality but they can’t make up a reality that doesn’t exist.

Personally, I'd love to see the size of that lab!  Not to mention the team that runs the experiment for ten million years.

They should have plenty of room at the prestigious Evolutionary Informatics Laboratory; the fact that they're not doing any other research also frees up a lot of time.

Not true!  I have it on good authority, from a private listserv that I just made up, that they (the EIL) are about to publish a paper in the peer reviewed PC Gamer journal that a materialist, blind watchmaker algorithm cannot lead to winning checkers strategies.

Take that!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,08:02   

You can't really do any kind of ethology without "deep time", prehistoric evolution, either. I'm trying to think of non-evolutionary explanations for insect and fish mating patterns, for instance, and it just doesn't work at all. All I can manage is "someone thought it would be cool to make them do that". Go, salmon, go!

I'm also bewildered by the cling to the "edge of evolution" rambles. It's like someone pointing at a canyon in a desert and saying "this cannot be directly transversed, so everything on the other side must have flown over it", and then fervently denying the possibility of going around even when they've watched it done.

Also, who is nochange?

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Yes!!! Which feeds into what I’ve been saying… Let’s cure cancer. Let’s use our superior understanding of biology and cure some diseases. The materialists will have a hard time disagreeing with us after we have the only treatments that will cure cancer.


That's a reductio ad absurdum if I've ever seen one, but I'm on the fence about if it's meant to be one or if nochange is just ... special.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,08:08   

GilD had an opinion piece on UD yesterday, arguing that        
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...formal academic training is not required to figure out how stuff works, or to be qualified to recognize when claims such as the blind-watchmaker hypothesis have been artificially isolated from the critical scrutiny and evidential standards usually applied to objective scientific claims.

He based this on his own anecdotal history        
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My three college degrees are in foreign language, literature, and music. I now earn my living as a software engineer in aerospace research and development, with specialties in navigation and control software for precision-guided airdrop systems, and most recently in explicit finite-element analysis of dynamic systems. I became interested in software engineering when I discovered artificial intelligence in the mid-1980s, and am the primary author of two world-class AI programs. I am almost completely self-taught in all disciplines outside of those represented by my college degrees.

Naturally, this is followed by the yessirs, including nullasalas, who rants about the uselessness of universities, which are essentially unchanged for the past few hundred years. That's amusing; I thought that these guys loved stasis...

But to get back to Gil's point, and why it is pointless. Note that Gil's self-taught skills have actually allowed him to do something. I assume that his computer programs work; his skills have allowed him to produce products which justify his wages in the industry. I presume that a trained computer programmer could look at Gil's output and see that he knows what he is doing; his work could withstand review by an expert.

This is obviously a different situation than the one he tries to convince us is analogous. ID critics who are verbally sniping at biology from the sidelines, but who have yet to produce anything of value, and whose few "products" (the Nixplanatory Filter and a bunch of books) have withered under the scrutiny of those who are trained in the relevant disciplines, are not analogous to his productive career in a field where he had no university training.

So Gil, if you're reading this, you need to understand the difference between walking the walk and talking the talk. If undereducated amateurs want to be taken seriously, they have to DO something, and that something has to be of good quality. That's true in computer programming, as you know, and also true in biology. Simply saying that your ideas are better is not going to get you much respect from those whose ideas you are criticizing. The respect will be earned when those ideas bear fruit in the form of new drugs, new therapies, new crops, or other biologically relevant output. Until then, your status on the sidelines of biological research is all too well-deserved.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,08:08   

All Sockpuppets all the time
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If the biology curriculum has become more indoctrination than education, the ugly, ironic fact is that biologists will find themselves with less understanding as to how life works than non-biologist

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,08:45   

In anticipation of a special anniversary tomorrow...

I Am the Very Model of a C-Design-Proponentsist

[Note: Malicious allegations have been made that this work somehow plagiarises something by W.S. Gilbert. Nothing could be further from the truth and I emphatically state that I have nothing to apologise for. And I'm really sorry. Comments on this subject are now closed.]


I am the very model of a c-design-proponentsist
The diametric opposite of all that is materialist
My engineering cert allows me call myself a scientist -
We won't discuss those classes in Biology I might have missed

I work in a diploma mill I call a university
And there I struggle long and hard to teach the controversity
I welcome all opinions notwithstanding their diversity
I just reject the fact-based ones as atheist perversity

He just rejects the fact-based ones as atheist perversity
He just rejects the fact-based ones as atheist perversity
He just rejects the fact-based ones as goddam pervertersity


My publication record is quite pre-dispen-sensationalist
I regularly top the polls of books that are salvationist
Applause in the reviews keeps copies flying off the bookstore shelf
I couldn't be more pleased if I had written the reviews myself

He couldn't be more pleased if he had written the reviews himself
He wishes Amazon would keep his IP numbers to itself


When I go up for tenure I'll submit my publication list
And if they ask for science then I'll scream “Discriminationist!”
Religion has no place within the quest for natural knowledge
At least until I am the one who's put in charge of college

I'm waiting for the day in court when Darwin meets his Waterloo
Though I might find that testifying isn't what I ought to do
I know that what's in Genesis is strictly and completely true
It's just a shame it's stuck in a six-thousand-year-long peer review

He knows that what's in Genesis is strictly and completely true
He knows that what's in Genesis is strictly and completely true
He wishes that the IRS would let him see his research through


I claim that Dover came about because the judge was activist
I dazzle congregations with my jargon that's distractivist
I never answer awkward questions even if you do insist
I really am the model of a c-design-proponentsist

He never answers awkward questions even if you do insist
He really is the model of a c-design-proponentsist


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,09:01   

Quote (Amadan @ Dec. 19 2007,08:45)
In anticipation of a special anniversary tomorrow...

I Am the Very Model of a C-Design-Proponentsist

[Note: Malicious allegations have been made that this work somehow plagiarises something by W.S. Gilbert. Nothing could be further from the truth and I emphatically state that I have nothing to apologise for. And I'm really sorry. Comments on this subject are now closed.]


I am the very model of a c-design-proponentsist
The diametric opposite of all that is materialist
My engineering cert allows me call myself a scientist -
We won't discuss those classes in Biology I may have missed

I work in a diploma mill I call a university
And there I struggle long and hard to teach the controversity
I welcome all opinions notwithstanding their diversity
I just reject the fact-based ones as atheist perversity

He just rejects the fact-based ones as atheist perversity
He just rejects the fact-based ones as atheist perversity
He just rejects the fact-based ones as goddam pervertersity


My publication record is quite pre-dispen-sensationalist
I regularly top the polls of books that are salvationist
Applause in the reviews keeps copies flying off the bookstore shelf
I couldn't be more pleased if I had written the reviews myself

He couldn't be more pleased if he had written the reviews himself
He wishes Amazon would keep his IP numbers to itself


When I go up for tenure I'll submit my publication list
And if they ask for science then I'll scream “Discriminationist!”
Religion has no place within the quest for natural knowledge
At least until I am the one who's put in charge of college

I'm waiting for the day in court when Darwin meets his Waterloo
Though I might find that testifying isn't what I ought to do
I know that what's in Genesis is strictly and completely true
It's just a shame it's stuck in a six-thousand-year-long peer review

He knows that what's in Genesis is strictly and completely true
He knows that what's in Genesis is strictly and completely true
He wishes that the IRS would let him see his research through


I claim that Dover came about because the judge was activist
I dazzle congregations with my jargon that's distractivist
I never answer awkward questions even if you do insist
I really am the model of a c-design-proponentsist

He never answers awkward questions even if you do insist
He really is the model of a c-design-proponentsist

Post of the week right here!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,09:09   

Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 19 2007,10:01)
Post of the week right here!

Seconded.

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Mister DNA



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,09:32   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 19 2007,09:09)
Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 19 2007,10:01)
Post of the week right here!

Seconded.

I agree, only on the condition that he go back and add a gratuitous edit.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,09:35   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 19 2007,09:09)
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Post of the week right here!

Seconded.

"Controversity"

Ahhhh! Le mot just!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,09:35   

Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 19 2007,09:32)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 19 2007,09:09)
Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 19 2007,10:01)
Post of the week right here!

Seconded.

I agree, only on the condition that he go back and add a gratuitous edit.

Plus it needs a lolcat.

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ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,09:40   

Quote (Amadan @ Dec. 19 2007,08:45)
[Note: Malicious allegations have been made that this work somehow plagiarises something by W.S. Gilbert. Nothing could be further from the truth and I emphatically state that I have nothing to apologise for. And I'm really sorry. Comments on this subject are now closed.]

omfg.

YOINK!!

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,09:51   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Dec. 19 2007,08:08)
All Sockpuppets all the time
   
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If the biology curriculum has become more indoctrination than education, the ugly, ironic fact is that biologists will find themselves with less understanding as to how life works than non-biologist

Not to destroy your whatever faith in mankind you might still have left, but I regret to inform Tribune7 is not a sockpuppet. He's a fundie dipshit from Indiana.

In other words, he really means that comment. :O

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,09:55   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 19 2007,09:51)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Dec. 19 2007,08:08)
All Sockpuppets all the time
     
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If the biology curriculum has become more indoctrination than education, the ugly, ironic fact is that biologists will find themselves with less understanding as to how life works than non-biologist

Not to destroy your whatever faith in mankind you might still have left, but I regret to inform Tribune7 is not a sockpuppet. He's a fundie dipshit from Indiana.

In other words, he really means that comment. :O

Hmm. Then it no longer matters who is "pretending". As has been pointed out many times by many people, when you can't tell the parody from the real thing then the game is up. And for UD it's been up for some time.

And speaking of parody, the "official blog" for the design of life is up and as yet there are 0 comments.

http://www.thedesignoflife.net/blog/

Zero. Zero comments = Zero interest.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,09:57   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 19 2007,09:35)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 19 2007,09:32)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 19 2007,09:09)
 
Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 19 2007,10:01)
Post of the week right here!

Seconded.

I agree, only on the condition that he go back and add a gratuitous edit.

Plus it needs a lolcat.

I'll take care of that part.


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,09:58   

Oh, and NoChange
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I think it’s time to move into the next phase, and do some applied intelligent design work!

I give you till the end of the week before bannation!

:p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,10:06   

Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 19 2007,09:32)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 19 2007,09:09)
 
Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 19 2007,10:01)
Post of the week right here!

Seconded.

I agree, only on the condition that he go back and add a gratuitous edit.

Ah, but I did! In the first stanza I changed "may have missed" to "might have missed".

Can I have my complementary doctorate in Divine Obfuscation now?

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JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,10:10   

Quote (Amadan @ Dec. 19 2007,10:06)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 19 2007,09:32)
   
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 19 2007,09:09)
   
Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 19 2007,10:01)
Post of the week right here!

Seconded.

I agree, only on the condition that he go back and add a gratuitous edit.

Ah, but I did! In the first stanza I changed "may have missed" to "might have missed".

Can I have my complementary doctorate in Divine Obfuscation now?

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Can I have my I can haz complementary doctorate in Divine Obfuscation now?


There. Fixed it for you. :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,10:14   

Amadan's poem at Austringer, with added URLs

Hopefully the annotation is not too distracting.

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