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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2007,15:42   

Quote (argystokes @ Jan. 26 2007,15:31)
 
Quote (Cornelius Hunter @ Jan. 26 2007,13:11)
It is strange that evolutionists never get around to addressing the scientific issue. Wesley Elsberry appears to be denying convergence, but that can't be true. If he has an explanation for convergence then let's hear it. If not, then admit it. Here is the question for evolutionists: How is it that similarities such as the pentadactyl pattern are such powerful evidence for evolution, in light of equala and greater levels of similarity in distant species, such as dsplayed in the marsupial and placental mouse?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/4/pdf/l_014_02.pdf

Hey, a real-life Disco Institute CRSC fellow.

You aren't really saying that no one's ever replied to your convergence issues are ya? Because the internet has a long memory.

Oh, and let's put this in a new thread.

yeah but would a "real-life Disco Institute CRSC fellow" link to a document that contains the phrase:
 
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Using a shade of the color you used for (a), color the adult marsupial and joey shown within the map of Australia.

Erm, now that I come to think about it, perhaps it really is him.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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hooligans



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2007,17:39   

At UD they are continuing to rail on how these expensive journals should be freely availible to all taxpayers . . . hmmm . . . . so this means because some of my tax dollars help fund our local libraries I am  entitled to my own copy of every book in it!!!!

[I]The Conspiracy Revealed
Shocking report by undercover DI operatives captures library staffers at universities all over America hiding freely availible science journals. [I]

Using secret cameras, a team of undercover, specially trained operatives, infiltrated the Portland State University Branford P. Millar Library. There the schocking truth was revealed . . . An evil Darwinian conspiracy is afoot. Hidden away behind a secret locked door, is an entirely self-contained library wherein stacks of scientific journals are freely avaible to those who have access to the secret password. Here our tax dollars go. Here we fund thier evil conspiracy, while being depreived of equal access. This travesty of justice shall not stand.

  
phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2007,18:46   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 26 2007,12:09)
Too much time with DaveTard takes its toll:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2004#comments


   
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Tax moneys support scientific research that gets published in extremely high-priced journals that are therefore inaccessible to the American public that pays for the research. Go figure.



Tax moneys support scientific research that gets made into extremely high-priced military equipment that are therefore inaccessible to the American public that pays for the research. Go figure.

I wanna drive the tank. The ID think-tank

Or is it a pray-tank?

People are trying to start more open access journals. But those things still cost money to edit and publish, etc.

http://www.doaj.org/
http://biology.plosjournals.org/


But I'm not exactly sure who foots the bill for the open access journals. Do they charge to publish your paper? That would make sense only if you are working from public funds.

And I understand there are different subscription rates for University libraries (who are charged out the ass) and for private subscribers (like companies who actually need the data as opposed to anal holes arguing on the internets).

 
Quote (hooligans @ Jan. 26 2007,17:39)
At UD they are continuing to rail on how these expensive journals should be freely availible to all taxpayers . . . hmmm . . . . so this means because some of my tax dollars help fund our local libraries I am  entitled to my own copy of every book in it!!!!

[I]The Conspiracy Revealed
Shocking report by undercover DI operatives captures library staffers at universities all over America hiding freely availible science journals. [I]

Using secret cameras, a team of undercover, specially trained operatives, infiltrated the Portland State University Branford P. Millar Library. There the schocking truth was revealed . . . An evil Darwinian conspiracy is afoot. Hidden away behind a secret locked door, is an entirely self-contained library wherein stacks of scientific journals are freely avaible to those who have access to the secret password. Here our tax dollars go. Here we fund thier evil conspiracy, while being depreived of equal access. This travesty of justice shall not stand.

Did they sneak in some Max Smart spy cameras and take photocopies of the articles? Ha ha! foiled again library. You won't get away with charging $0.10 a page for paper and toner!!!

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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2007,18:49   

Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 26 2007,09:48)
ID, in contrast, sits well within the materialist empiricism demanded by science.

Hmmmm . . . .   (leafs through the Wedge Document):

*ahem*

"The proposition that human beings are created in the image of God is one of the bedrock principles on which Western civilization was built. Its influence can be detected in most, if not all, of the West's greatest achievements, including representative democracy, human rights, free enterprise, and progress in the arts and sciences.

Yet a little over a century ago, this cardinal idea came under wholesale attack by intellectuals drawing on the discoveries of modern science. Debunking the traditional conceptions of both God and man, thinkers such as Charles Darwin, Karl Marx, and Sigmund Freud portrayed humans not as moral and spiritual beings, but as animals or machines who inhabited a universe ruled by purely impersonal forces and whose behavior and very thoughts were dictated by the unbending forces of biology, chemistry, and environment. This materialistic conception of reality eventually infected virtually every area of our culture, from politics and economics to literature and art

The cultural consequences of this triumph of materialism were devastating. Materialists denied the existence of objective moral standards, claiming that environment dictates our behavior and beliefs. Such moral relativism was uncritically adopted by much of the social sciences, and it still undergirds much of modern economics, political science, psychology and sociology.

Materialists also undermined personal responsibility by asserting that human thoughts and behaviors are dictated by our biology and environment. The results can be seen in modern approaches to criminal justice, product liability, and welfare. In the materialist scheme of things, everyone is a victim and no one can be held accountable for his or her actions.

Finally, materialism spawned a virulent strain of utopianism. Thinking they could engineer the perfect society through the application of scientific knowledge, materialist reformers advocated coercive government programs that falsely promised to create heaven on earth.

Discovery Institute's Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture seeks nothing less than the overthrow of materialism and its cultural legacies."



Hmmmmm . . . . .  ID isn't apologetics?  ID sits well within materialism?

It looks to me as if someone is . . .  uh . . . full of shit.

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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2007,18:58   

Quote (Cornelius Hunter @ Jan. 26 2007,15:11)
It is strange that evolutionists never get around to addressing the scientific issue

Hi there, Mr DI Person.

I have a simple question that I like to ask of every DI-ite I run across.  No one seems to want to . . . ya know . . . ANSWER it, though.  Maybe you can be the first?

*ahem*

From the DI's Wedge Document:

"FIVE YEAR OBJECTIVES


* Major Christian denomination(s) defend(s) traditional doctrine of creation"


If, as the DI-ites keep insisting and insisting, ID isn't creationism, then, uh, (1) what is this "traditional doctrine of creation" that DI wants Christian churches to defend, and (2) why does DI want Christian churches to defend it?

It sure looks to ME as if DI is . . . well . . . lying to us when it claims that ID isn't creationism, and that ID is science and not religious apologetics.

Explain, please . . . . ?

Thanks in advance for not answering my questions.

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phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2007,19:08   

HAHAHAHA!  :D

Sal Cordova:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1998#more-1998  
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Update: Solexa’s technology will also aid in the ID quest of steganography in biology. If the key to rapidly understanding the steganography in junkDNA is through comparative sequencing of various creatures, Solexa’s technology is a welcome friend.
I was all like, "What the heck is steganography?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography
 
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Steganography is the art and science of writing hidden messages...

Maybe Solexa can find the answer to one of Sal's most pressing questions hidden away in junk DNA.


GDAM I love that picture! Bravo!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2007,19:12   

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Jan. 26 2007,19:58)
Thanks in advance for not answering my questions.

He might answer if you go over to his thread.  I asked a similar question and got a boilerplate answer about how some people can use a theory to support their beliefs, like some people do with evolution, blah blah blah.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2007,20:35   

I think "Dr. Hunter" is a scam.  Could be it's TardBoy.  I just find it hard to believe that a PhD would link to a tarded coloring book!  Even if he is at Biola University.  Could it be more Street Theater from the Master Baiter Dembski Himself?

ps:  Phonon - Great Avatar!

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

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k.e.



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2007,20:42   

Quote (Mike PSS @ Jan. 26 2007,10:19)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 26 2007,11:12)
 
Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 26 2007,10:10)
 
Quote (Altabin @ Jan. 26 2007,09:57)
What's that word for an illegitimate child?  All I can remember is that it starts with BAS.  Can anyone finish it for me?

Etymology of "tardity"

c.1386 (implied in tardity), from O.Fr. tardif (12c.), from V.L. *tardivus, from L. tardus "slow, sluggish, dull, stupid," of unknown origin.

Ad vindictam tardus

thought is was from retard (French for slow..)

Response 1)
Umm.....  O.Fr. is "Old French" and V.L. is "Vulgar Latin".  Both are roots of the french language.
Or are you going to start another Portuguese Moment on this one.

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Response 2)
Are you trying to bait us?

I just can't see whether your making a statement or trying to bait someone with this response so I'll cover both bases.

Are you suggesting all the contibutors to UD including Dave "Cyclops, the sheep and ram  feeler" Fieldmarshalmushroom Scott of the Tardic, unconciously make freudian slips, which seem so implausible
that the phenomenon almost proves the existance of a tellic presence in a shiny sphere behind a cloud above the whitehouse or homoeroticism
in cowboy songs, or both?

Maybe ladyboy Dave Tard can tell us, after he get gets out of that new victoria secrets number (with chaps).

Who Would Jesus Blow?

What do the girls get as a cancer cure? A cucumber?

Come on Dave Tard I know you're just jumping up and down all exited like, so tell us WHAT IS going on in the ID closet. quick they're onto us hide that thing WAD, smash,crash

Pick the error Dave Tard 'What is the sound of one hand camping?'


What's that little thing you throw before you aim (even better with your eyes closed and backwards) spelt backwards? DA__  ( it's not a trick....if you say it).

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2007,20:46   

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ps:  Phonon - Great Avatar!

Teh funny was that I didn't actually NOTICE at first that Newton's shining alchemistic mug had been replaced by the Nut...er... Newton of Disinforma (darn, my fingers seem to keep slipping) INFORMATION theory.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2007,20:50   

Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 26 2007,14:39)
Holy Jeebus, I got to slow down and check my work!

Ahem "Religion!  ID is not about the Religion!

and Inquiring Minds Want To Know...

Oh who the hewll cares...


Actually that wasn't me that said that about stuff being revealed. That was Occam's Toothbrush.

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FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me.

PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2007,20:51   

Quote (bourgeois_rage @ Jan. 26 2007,13:10)
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Jan. 26 2007,12:46)

Whoa, I've been gone a while. I didn't realize a picture of Dave had been revealed.

Yikes.

Not only is he STILL wearing the last free Dell T-shirt they gave him (the writing has faded) he can't afford a Mirkin* to patch his chin.

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k.e.



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2007,21:05   

Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 25 2007,23:26)
Um... Okay, first off: what are the two fuzzy, breast-like things on the front of ID Minister Sal-vation? A really bad plastic surgery job, or a reach-up chest grab from the Cookie Monster? I think I'm going to wig. :p

Now, 'bout the new book Richard mentions:      
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In Flock of Dodos, the reader will discover ominous parallels between Billy Joel's greaser anthem Uptown Girl and chief intelligent design proponent William Dembski, the wholly non-Christian origins of the United States, the goofy history of the creation science movement, secrets of a happy marriage to anti-feminist icon Phylis Schafly,

Okay, yeah, that is nasty. Oooh. Ow. I'm going to have nightmares now.    
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stunning evidence that William Jennings Bryan might not have been all that bright, the the three interesting things that occurred in 2004, and the true nature of the millennia-old Conspiracy of Nonsense that threatens the very fiber of Western Civilization.

:D So what were the "three interesting things that happened in 2004"? Anyone?

Bill, man, now you're going to take on National Lampoon and a sociologist and put them out of business as well? Don't you pay those people no never-mind. I think you got your hands full already. When is this ID-friendly center at a major university going to be announced? Did I miss that?  ;)

If you look closely they are bunny ears one of the ID crew are getting their cancer cure .......dressed in a bunny suit.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2007,23:40   

I have been expecting Bioloa to finally emerge as the natural home of IDC for some years.  JP Moreland has been a more significant IDC leader than most.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2007,00:00   

No, I think that it really is Dr. Hunter.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2007,03:54   

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Is this a plastic squeaky bone, or maybe a rope to play tug of war with, or perhaps it will fly like a frisbee?


i vote frisbee.

after being passed around a few times, it will end up becoming a chew toy.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2007,06:43   

Quote (phonon @ Jan. 26 2007,18:46)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 26 2007,12:09)
Too much time with DaveTard takes its toll:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2004#comments


     
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Tax moneys support scientific research that gets published in extremely high-priced journals that are therefore inaccessible to the American public that pays for the research. Go figure.



Tax moneys support scientific research that gets made into extremely high-priced military equipment that are therefore inaccessible to the American public that pays for the research. Go figure.

I wanna drive the tank. The ID think-tank

Or is it a pray-tank?

People are trying to start more open access journals. But those things still cost money to edit and publish, etc.

http://www.doaj.org/
http://biology.plosjournals.org/


But I'm not exactly sure who foots the bill for the open access journals. Do they charge to publish your paper?

Yes, they do.
It's something like $2000 to have a paper published in PLoS Biology, I heard.
But more on the topic, fundamentaly, I think UD is right. Everyone should have access to scientific results. This is what science is all about: knowledge. But in theory, nothing prevents a scientist from showing publicly his/her results (on a website for instance).
Actually, the acess to research journals isn't that much restricted. Every university has a subscription to a variety of journals, and grants the access to its students.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2007,07:12   

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amadan

01/26/2007

4:14 am

I wouldn’t worry about whoopee-cushion type propaganda like that.

Thought Always Rebuts Darwinism.


Link

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2007,07:45   

Uncommonly Denyse engages in reasoning:
   
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Determining the identity of a designer is like trying to find out who wrote a disputed book.

My background is in English literature. Suppose two authors are proposed: “Harry” and “Wayne”:

If I can show that Harry did not write it (because he was only three years old when the book was first referred to in other works), I have not therefore proven that Wayne DID write it.

Indeed, I had better not be hasty. Further research may turn up the fact that Wayne died two years before events referenced in the book occurred. So we know Wayne didn’t write it either (or else that someone interpolated those passages for some unclear reason).

All I really know is, the book did not write itself. It had one or more authors. But further positive identification requires a new line of evidence.

And so it is with ID and Christianity.

It seems so simple when put this way.  It is almost as though she quivers at the threshold of understanding that attacks on conventional evolutionary biology, the entire content of UD, provide zero positive support for ID.  

And that ID has been dead for going on two years.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2007,08:37   

from the same thread:
jpark320    
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Most people associate ID’s designer with the Triune God.
   
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people for thousands of years have believed in some designer but have refuted God just as easily as materialists of this age

So people in years (thousands) gone past did not believe (refuted) in gawd, but yet believed in a desiger? What a crock of shit. Got any examples (i.e evidence) jpark?
   
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ultimately reason only proved futile.
You got that right jpark. Reason is proving futile with IDiots.
Dodgingcars keeps forgetting rule number 1 of ID club
 
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ID offers a proof of a designer, which certainly is evidence for the existence of God because I’d say that philosphically… logically… God makes the most sense for the identity of the designer).

But idnet.com.au just comes out and says it    
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ID has found design and inferred a Designer/s. As in the days of the first evangelists, some will still hear the message of Jesus and not be touched, both IDers and non IDers.

I think ID’s principle role in evangelism could be at best, to open the closed mind of a materialist to the need to look for a Designer.

I think plenty of IDer's are already "touched" but not in the way idnet means it.
Now, how long till the ID is not religious wail starts up again? Did it ever stop?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2007,11:58   

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Tax moneys support scientific research that gets published in extremely high-priced journals that are therefore inaccessible to the American public that pays for the research. Go figure.

Sure scientific journals often cost too much. They cost money to produce. But the funny thing here is that it seems as tho DaveTard is proposing making these journals free (as tho they only cost anything due to the greed of liberal scientists), which NORMALLY Dave the wingnut would denounce as 'socialism'. Isn't good old Republican Dave supposed to praise charging whatever the market will bear as the highest virtue to which a society can aspire?

Good old Dave. Let's hope he never acquires the skill of thinking before he posts.

PS: But personally I doubt that Dave "My Wife Subscribes to Scientific American For Me" Springer has ANY IDEA what actual scientific journals cost. I think the closest Dave ever came to a scientific journal is hearing his boss Bill whine about how they're irrelevant.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2007,14:18   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 27 2007,12:58)
Davetard said:
Tax moneys support scientific research that gets published in extremely high-priced journals that are therefore inaccessible to the American public that pays for the research.


Cost to take the bus to UNC: $0



Cost to enter Davis Library at UNC: $0



Cost to sit there all day reading Nature, Science, PhysRev: $0


Ignoring all that and claiming scientific research is inaccessible to the public: Priceless

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2007,14:32   

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amadan

01/26/2007

5:38 pm

Forgive my lack of understanding of American politics. Is it the case that large corporations in the USA tend to support one political party over another? In my experience that is the case in Europe, and their support is usually traceable through public records of political donations. Perhaps some of you already know which party or parties the major US publishers support.

ID proponents, and perhaps even the Discovery Institute, should publically and loudly dissociate themselves from that party or parties, which clearly favours Darwinism.


The Republicans are supported by large corporations who are trying to keep science from the people. They are also supported by ID proponents. The Democrats seem to support "Darwinism",so who should the IDiots disassociate themselves from? The Republicans who feed at the trough of the large corporations that are hiding science from the people, or the Democrats who, arguably are less beholden to corporations but support 'Darwinism? amadan creates the perfect infinite regress loop for the fundies...

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FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me.

PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2007,15:24   

I spend about $400US on journals.  That includes discounts on Science and Nature, and then 3 or 4 anthro/archaeo rags.  Two of the anthro journals are part of professional societies, as is Science.  I renew the anthro journals when/if I feel like going to the society annual meeting.

These are tax deductions, so I recover about 40%.  I spend between 1 and 2 thousand on books- also a tax deduction.  The books are depreciated, so the amount of cost recovered varies a bit.

I go over to the Uni library about once a month.  Mileage, parking, and copy fees add to maybe $20 or $30.  The annual cost is probably under $200 and is deductable.

When I was on a journal board we charged a publication fee of $150/page to authors who were not members of the academy.  However, authors who claimed financial hardship (ie no grant money) were not held to the fees.  (I was comp'ed membership for serving on the board and editing their newsletter so I don't recall the membership dues).

I would not know if this is typical or not.  When I was a prof, I still subscribed to most the same journals I read today, either because I went to their professional meetings, or I wanted copies of articles that I could write all over.  I would also have undergrad workers that I sent to make copies of articles that looked interesting from medline searches etc.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2007,15:57   

Quote (afarensis @ Jan. 27 2007,15:32)
The Republicans are supported by large corporations who are trying to keep science from the people. They are also supported by ID proponents. The Democrats seem to support "Darwinism",so who should the IDiots disassociate themselves from? The Republicans who feed at the trough of the large corporations that are hiding science from the people, or the Democrats who, arguably are less beholden to corporations but support 'Darwinism? amadan creates the perfect infinite regress loop for the fundies...

U-m-m-m-m-m-m....

Is this a sweeping generalization to make your point or do you actually subscribe to this notion.

If this is generalization then carry on.
If you subscribe to this notion then I'll start another thread to counter this generalization.

Mike PSS

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2007,16:14   

Some of the people at OE and UD are in the "Intelligent Design Undergraduate Research Center." Now, I've got a vague familiarity with undergrad research. I won a department award one year for some research on octo-trichlorosilane monolayers, and have a tiny publication about tuning surface energies in polymer blends, and a member of the group gave an APS March Meeting talk (partly) on some gold nanoparticle research I did. Nothing impressive whatsoever, just standard fare undergrad research.

So, let's see what projects the Intelligent Design Undergraduate Research guys are doing.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2007,16:43   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 27 2007,16:14)
Some of the people at OE and UD are in the "Intelligent Design Undergraduate Research Center." Now, I've got a vague familiarity with undergrad research. I won a department award one year for some research on octo-trichlorosilane monolayers, and have a tiny publication about tuning surface energies in polymer blends, and a member of the group gave an APS March Meeting talk (partly) on some gold nanoparticle research I did. Nothing impressive whatsoever, just standard fare undergrad research.

So, let's see what projects the Intelligent Design Undergraduate Research guys are doing.

Seems to be a natural stepping stone from Discovery Toys to Discovery Institute.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2007,16:53   

Quote (Mike PSS @ Jan. 27 2007,15:57)
Quote (afarensis @ Jan. 27 2007,15:32)
The Republicans are supported by large corporations who are trying to keep science from the people. They are also supported by ID proponents. The Democrats seem to support "Darwinism",so who should the IDiots disassociate themselves from? The Republicans who feed at the trough of the large corporations that are hiding science from the people, or the Democrats who, arguably are less beholden to corporations but support 'Darwinism? amadan creates the perfect infinite regress loop for the fundies...

U-m-m-m-m-m-m....

Is this a sweeping generalization to make your point or do you actually subscribe to this notion.

If this is generalization then carry on.
If you subscribe to this notion then I'll start another thread to counter this generalization.

Mike PSS

No, I was trying to look at it from an ID point of view - seems to be their argument that this is some kind of conspiracy to prevent poor IDists from reading the truth...At least that is what I am getting from some of the comments on that thread...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2007,17:18   

Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 26 2007,20:35)
ps:  Phonon - Great Avatar!

Thanks! But I have to thank whomever it was that made that picture. If it was you, Michael Tuite, then a million thanks! That thing is a masterpiece.
   
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Yes, they do.
It's something like $2000 to have a paper published in PLoS Biology, I heard.

Yikes! Someone also told me, and I don't know if this is true, that it costs $1-2k to publish is some medical journals that still charge subscription fees. I couldn't believe it, but I'm sure it's true. (That last sentence was for everyone at UD and OE.)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2007,18:05   

Quote (afarensis @ Jan. 27 2007,17:53)
No, I was trying to look at it from an ID point of view - seems to be their argument that this is some kind of conspiracy to prevent poor IDists from reading the truth...At least that is what I am getting from some of the comments on that thread...

A-h-h-h-h-h.

I "see".

I used my new ID filter machine and what you say now makes sense.

  
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