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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2016,14:00   

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The only cell you need, Gaulin, is a padded one.

He provides his own, in his basement.  If he wasn't busy "working" on his "theory,"  he'd probably be hurting himself and others.

Perhaps, but it's not like he or others are getting any pleasure out of his "working" or his "theory".
It's all pretty painful.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2016,20:56   

Ouch?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2016,21:05   

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The only cell you need, Gaulin, is a padded one.

He provides his own, in his basement.  If he wasn't busy "working" on his "theory,"  he'd probably be hurting himself and others.

Perhaps, but it's not like he or others are getting any pleasure out of his "working" or his "theory".
It's all pretty painful.

It only hurts when I laugh.

Trouble is, it's very hard not to laugh.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2016,16:05   

What is the common ancestor between an elephant and a tulip?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2016,16:44   

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What is the common ancestor between an elephant and a tulip?

Are you suggesting there wasn't one?
Are you suggesting it's somehow a 'horrible defect' if we don't know or cannot trace out the specific lineage?

Because you've got far far worse gaps in your inanity.  You have never yet provided a concrete answer to any problem where intelligence night be a factor, let alone an answer that is strictly entailed by your frankly silly notions.
Remember, the map is not the territory.  That you can (arguably) torture behavior out of your ridiculous "ID Lab" that a careless person might map onto the foraging behavior of a real creature says absolutely nothing about any mapping between your software and the actual processes in use by said creature.

ETA-- no flaw or deficiency in literally any other approach can possibly provide the faintest hint of support, justification, or validation for your (or any other) competing approach.  But as of yet, you're not even in competition.  You've got nothing and it has zero explanatory power.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2016,17:03   

TheRealDardan needs to know.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2016,17:08   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 08 2016,18:03)
TheRealDardan needs to know.

Well, you're not going to be any help.  And why would any of us offer you any?  You'd mangle it, steal it, and claim credit.  It's not like there's anything new in your repertoire.
(But I suppose it's good you're getting exposed to more modern, like JavaScript.  Not that it will do you any good.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2016,18:04   

I ran across a useful video to summarize what is currently known in regards to how we navigate our environment:

How do we know where we are going?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eiOQWcqDHY

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2016,18:09   

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I ran across a useful video to summarize what is currently known in regards to how we navigate our environment:

How do we know where we are going?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eiOQWcqDHY

Yup, nothing new in your repertoire.
Sad, really.

None of this entails, nor is entailed by, your effluent.  Deal with it.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2016,19:44   

Question answered!
 
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[–]Baconmusubi,  Evolutionist 2 points 2 hours ago

If I'm using Time Tree correctly, the Asian elephant and tulip poppy ancestors diverged around 1.5 billion years ago when eukaryotes diversified. I think this link should show the same results I found.
So to answer your question, the common ancestor was a primitive eukaryotic cell.


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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2016,20:05   

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Question answered!
   
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[–]Baconmusubi,  Evolutionist 2 points 2 hours ago

If I'm using Time Tree correctly, the Asian elephant and tulip poppy ancestors diverged around 1.5 billion years ago when eukaryotes diversified. I think this link should show the same results I found.
So to answer your question, the common ancestor was a primitive eukaryotic cell.

And all without recourse to your nonsense.  
How odd.  How surprising.  Said no one anywhere.

Your effluent has nothing to offer, can elaborate on nor deepen our understanding of any part of this.  
So why do keep dragging these bright shiny facts that cannot help but show the banality, the utter vacuity, of your "work" across the path of this, ahem, 'discussion'?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2016,20:55   

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Question answered!
   
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[–]Baconmusubi,  Evolutionist 2 points 2 hours ago

If I'm using Time Tree correctly, the Asian elephant and tulip poppy ancestors diverged around 1.5 billion years ago when eukaryotes diversified. I think this link should show the same results I found.
So to answer your question, the common ancestor was a primitive eukaryotic cell.

Congratulations, Gary.  You finally learned something you should have picked up in high school.  And really should have known before telling biologists they're wrong.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2016,22:00   

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[–]Baconmusubi,  Evolutionist 2 points 2 hours ago

If I'm using Time Tree correctly, the Asian elephant and tulip poppy ancestors diverged around 1.5 billion years ago when eukaryotes diversified. I think this link should show the same results I found.
So to answer your question, the common ancestor was a primitive eukaryotic cell.

Congratulations, Gary.  You finally learned something you should have picked up in high school.  And really should have known before telling biologists they're wrong.

You are making no sense at all. But that's par for your course, whatever it is.....

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2016,01:20   

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You are making no sense at all. But that's par for your course, whatever it is.....


Oh, the irony!

This is what everybody on the internet has been telling YOU for years, Gaulin.

Back to your cell.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2016,01:25   

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Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 08 2016,20:44)
Question answered!
 
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[–]Baconmusubi,  Evolutionist 2 points 2 hours ago

If I'm using Time Tree correctly, the Asian elephant and tulip poppy ancestors diverged around 1.5 billion years ago when eukaryotes diversified. I think this link should show the same results I found.
So to answer your question, the common ancestor was a primitive eukaryotic cell.

And all without recourse to your nonsense.  
How odd.  How surprising.  Said no one anywhere.

Your effluent has nothing to offer, can elaborate on nor deepen our understanding of any part of this.  
So why do keep dragging these bright shiny facts that cannot help but show the banality, the utter vacuity, of your "work" across the path of this, ahem, 'discussion'?


I'm waiting for a Tulipelephant to appear in the not-a-theory now.

Or in the Pacman copy. Chasing a bug to compare hippocampi.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2016,11:04   

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I'm waiting for a Tulipelephant to appear in the not-a-theory now.

Or in the Pacman copy. Chasing a bug to compare hippocampi.

That would be awesome.  Self-manuring flowers.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2016,17:11   

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Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 08 2016,20:55)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 08 2016,19:44)
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[–]Baconmusubi,  Evolutionist 2 points 2 hours ago

If I'm using Time Tree correctly, the Asian elephant and tulip poppy ancestors diverged around 1.5 billion years ago when eukaryotes diversified. I think this link should show the same results I found.
So to answer your question, the common ancestor was a primitive eukaryotic cell.

Congratulations, Gary.  You finally learned something you should have picked up in high school.  And really should have known before telling biologists they're wrong.

You are making no sense at all. But that's par for your course, whatever it is.....

I'll explain, and I'll use small words so you'll be sure to understand. You should have learned enough about the tree of life in high school biology class to have answered your own question about the common ancestor of plants and animals. At the very least you should have been able to look it up with less effort than asking us.

But my second complaint was that you know so little about evolution and the history of life but still think you are qualified to tell actual scientists that they are all wrong about it.  You complain about the theory of evolution without understanding even high school level things about it.  

In short, you are a n00b.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2016,19:08   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 09 2016,17:11)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 08 2016,22:00)
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Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 08 2016,19:44)
Question answered!
     
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[–]Baconmusubi,  Evolutionist 2 points 2 hours ago

If I'm using Time Tree correctly, the Asian elephant and tulip poppy ancestors diverged around 1.5 billion years ago when eukaryotes diversified. I think this link should show the same results I found.
So to answer your question, the common ancestor was a primitive eukaryotic cell.

Congratulations, Gary.  You finally learned something you should have picked up in high school.  And really should have known before telling biologists they're wrong.

You are making no sense at all. But that's par for your course, whatever it is.....

I'll explain, and I'll use small words so you'll be sure to understand. You should have learned enough about the tree of life in high school biology class to have answered your own question about the common ancestor of plants and animals. At the very least you should have been able to look it up with less effort than asking us.

But my second complaint was that you know so little about evolution and the history of life but still think you are qualified to tell actual scientists that they are all wrong about it.  You complain about the theory of evolution without understanding even high school level things about it.  

In short, you are a n00b.

Dimwit, I already guessed the right answer. I thought it would be fun to try getting a second opinion to verify that, from this forum. I guess it only figures that I would have to be bashed for it.


And does anyone know where N.Wells is? It's not like them to miss a good weird question like that one.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2016,21:31   

Correlating dance steps to what the neural network is doing seems to be working out!

At least two possibilities Step to the Left and Step to the Right are in this video that reminds me what I see when conceptualizing what each place in the map (population of neurons that together sum to a self-learning place) is thinking, doing:

Flash Mob - Time Warp
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg7gO5PpPUk

Another variable is called "Turn" but in this case after forming connections with others they can't physically move. Turn would apply to what the signal is doing as it relates to MOVEMENT of what cells have to (biochemically) move to and fro (dance) with. The cell behavior level requires equating the signal variables this way, or it will not work very well. I thought I would mention that, in case you're wondering why I am studying how that looks at the human intelligence level.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2016,22:01   

And "Thrust" direction?!

'Time Warp' Scene w/ Lyrics | The Rocky Horror Picture Show
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg7gO5PpPUk

It follows the movement physics already used at the multicellular level of the virtual ID Lab critter.  

This leaves a wave generating thrust pattern that can be up to 4 (of 6) directions wide, which when an even number averages out to wave directions in between the original 6, to make 12 wave transmission angles possible.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2016,22:07   

This is link for where the "Thrust" movement was best shown, in a networked pattern:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkplPbd2f60

I still had the earlier link in my browser and in a hurry copied that one by mistake.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2016,07:09   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 09 2016,20:08)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 09 2016,17:11)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 08 2016,22:00)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 08 2016,20:55)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 08 2016,19:44)
Question answered!
       
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[–]Baconmusubi,  Evolutionist 2 points 2 hours ago

If I'm using Time Tree correctly, the Asian elephant and tulip poppy ancestors diverged around 1.5 billion years ago when eukaryotes diversified. I think this link should show the same results I found.
So to answer your question, the common ancestor was a primitive eukaryotic cell.

Congratulations, Gary.  You finally learned something you should have picked up in high school.  And really should have known before telling biologists they're wrong.

You are making no sense at all. But that's par for your course, whatever it is.....

I'll explain, and I'll use small words so you'll be sure to understand. You should have learned enough about the tree of life in high school biology class to have answered your own question about the common ancestor of plants and animals. At the very least you should have been able to look it up with less effort than asking us.

But my second complaint was that you know so little about evolution and the history of life but still think you are qualified to tell actual scientists that they are all wrong about it.  You complain about the theory of evolution without understanding even high school level things about it.  

In short, you are a n00b.

Dimwit, I already guessed the right answer. I thought it would be fun to try getting a second opinion to verify that, from this forum. I guess it only figures that I would have to be bashed for it.


And does anyone know where N.Wells is? It's not like them to miss a good weird question like that one.

There goes the point, flying well over Gary's head, yet again

The question is neither 'good' nor 'weird'.  As with all matters you attempt to judge, you are not qualified to have an opinion.
This is why Texas Teach rates you as a 'n00b'.  Personally, I think he gives you far far too much credit -- n00bs are generally entrants eager to participate in whatever topic area they are addressing.  You are so far out in the wilderness, so blinded by your own inanities that you can't even see the relevant fields.  You're barely a wannabe.  With years of effort, you might rise to the level of n00b.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2016,15:01   

JoeCoder found an awesome new video. Exactly what the theory predicts:

www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/09/stunning-videos-of-evolution-in-action/499136/

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2016,15:17   

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Exactly what the theory predicts:[/URL]

Darwin's theory, yes.

Yours....not so much.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2016,15:25   

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JoeCoder found an awesome new video. Exactly what the theory predicts:

www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/09/stunning-videos-of-evolution-in-action/499136/

Citation needed.

Exactly what specific concrete phenomena in the video were predicted by exactly what concrete elements of your "theory" as connected by what chains of logic and causation?

Specific details or STFU & GTFO.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2016,15:43   

Quote (Woodbine @ Sep. 10 2016,15:17)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 10 2016,21:01)
Exactly what the theory predicts:[/URL]

Darwin's theory, yes.

Yours....not so much.

Darwinian theory is not for modeling genetic, cellular and multicellular level (brain) behavior.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2016,16:10   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 10 2016,16:43)
Quote (Woodbine @ Sep. 10 2016,15:17)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 10 2016,21:01)
Exactly what the theory predicts:[/URL]

Darwin's theory, yes.

Yours....not so much.

Darwinian theory is not for modeling genetic, cellular and multicellular level (brain) behavior.

You're not qualified to judge.
Not least because you are entirely ignorant of every single relevant field.  Every. Single. One.

Hint:  the least of the difficulties with your pompous pretentious assertion is that there are more multi-cellular subsystems that behave in systems with intelligence than just the brain.  Yet you equate brain with multi-cellular.

I used to think you moved your lips when you looked at pictures.  Now I doubt you even see them.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2016,16:10   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 10 2016,16:43)
Quote (Woodbine @ Sep. 10 2016,15:17)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 10 2016,21:01)
Exactly what the theory predicts:[/URL]

Darwin's theory, yes.

Yours....not so much.

Darwinian theory is not for modeling genetic, cellular and multicellular level (brain) behavior.

Oh, and
Citation needed.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2016,16:44   

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It follows the movement physics already used at the multicellular level of the virtual ID Lab critter.  


Gaulin, you know even less about physics than you do about chemistry and biology. Since you know nothing about either of those that takes your physics knowledge into the minus.

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Exactly what the theory predicts:...


The Theory of Evolution, yes. Your mish-mash of unconnected assertions, no.

Because you see your version of God behind everything from the Big Bang to the Cambrian explosion to animal intelligence your not-a-theory is just a waste of electrons. You explain nothing, you define nothing, you understand nothing, your mess makes no predictions and you expect the cognitive scientists to beat a path to your door. Don't hold your breath.

Now about those kittens...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2016,16:46   

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I used to think you moved your lips when you looked at pictures.  Now I doubt you even see them.


Cut off his index finger and he can't even read what he has written.

  
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