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Posted: Dec. 21 2012,10:02

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 21 2012,13:45)

Come back when you can articulate even one sentence of the theory I have been explaining to you.

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Posted: Dec. 21 2012,12:21

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I don't know why you would expect anyone else to be able to do it if you can't.

*ahem*

My Theory:¹

It wins because you fail to understand it well enough to explain it to me.

^{1. And it is mine too.}

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Posted: Dec. 21 2012,18:23

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Posted: Dec. 21 2012,22:58

There is obviously nothing worth responding to here.

I would like to add, that on either side of the argument it�s more or less a green-screen generated world. What matters is how many books can be sold at Atheism conventions or similar venue by riding the coat-tails of university credentials. �Original science is optional. The more dumbed-down it is, the better, for marketability.

In this forum you are seeing that mentality being reinforced. Ones who only have experience with the usual Evolutionary Algorithms have to protect their turf. As happened here too, knowing what they are arguing against is optional. Chances are low that a single one bothered to study what they will say they already know all about. You are instead grilled, while those who claim to represent science try to get rid of you.

If this was a routine lab-research paper of something seen under a microscope or whatever, then there would be little problem at all. But a book length theory which forces an authority to self-correct public statements will be fiercely discredited.

I learned the hard way that the warm and fuzzy ivory tower talk about the scientific system being equally fair to all is all hype. Theory like this requires teachers of all kinds including average people outside of classrooms who explain what they know to coworkers, their fans, friends, community, and so on. That�s who I most have to be thankful for. Without them, the theory and I would be nowhere at all right now. And I wish I could find the words to express how much that means to me, how much I appreciate you/them. Without that I am at the mercy of an angry mob only acting to preserve an academic ideology/authority which does not even bother to study what they feel obliged to trash, regardless of how much sense it makes to those who genuinely have the ability to fairly judge it.

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Posted: Dec. 21 2012,23:09

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 21 2012,22:58)

There is obviously nothing worth responding to here.

Then what the what keeps you here? Move on and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,00:52

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That�s who I most have to be thankful for. Without them, the theory and I would be nowhere at all right now. And I wish I could find the words to express how much that means to me, how much I appreciate you/them. Without that I am at the mercy of an angry mob only acting to preserve an academic ideology/authority which does not even bother to study what they feel obliged to trash, regardless of how much sense it makes to those who genuinely have the ability to fairly judge it.

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,01:17

Filter - Hey Man, Nice Shot

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,03:58

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I learned the hard way that the warm and fuzzy ivory tower talk about the scientific system being equally fair to all is all hype. Theory like this requires teachers of all kinds including average people outside of classrooms who explain what they know to coworkers, their fans, friends, community, and so on.

I belong to the people outside of classroms and I'd be happy to teach your theory to fans, friends and community but that won't happen until I know the theory.

Is it because you are not in the class of average people outside of classrooms that you are unable to teach me your theory?

How can I teach anybody something I do not understand myself?
(Maybe that's also the reason you can't teach it?)

I am afraid we are faced with a Catch-22 situation. How do you propose we solve that obstacle to teaching your fantastic theory to people outside of the scientific conspiracy?

Edit: typo.

Edited by Quack on Dec. 22 2012,04:13

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,13:15

The (as you say) �conspiracy� is only typical of (evolutionary) biologists, political activists and others who revere the science journal peer review system. �To my knowledge I never received a bad comment from (outside the lab) scientific engineers who (for example) design or repair (for them since they likely do not know how) the scientific equipment that makes their papers possible.

There is a thriving scientific world in the private sector (where I am from) where things either work or they do not. We have �trade journals� but do not write articles for everything we do, we just do it.

To sum up: The academic subculture is a much smaller world than you think. And all who have an above average knowledge of science can easily see your demands as lazy and pompous excuses for not on your own studying the theory. They too would rather that I spend my time (as I have) to write what they need, instead of trying to spoon-feed what I now have for source code and Theory of Operation to political activists who just act like spoiled brats.

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,13:22

Fuck me, you're worse than Columbo at leaving.

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,13:26

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 22 2012,13:15)

To sum up: The academic subculture is a much smaller world than you think. And all who have an above average knowledge of science can easily see your demands as lazy and pompous excuses for not on your own studying the theory. They too would rather that I spend my time (as I have) to write what they need, instead of trying to spoon-feed what I now have for source code and Theory of Operation to political activists who just act like spoiled brats.

We've heard all this bullshit many times over. Thank you for your efforts. We hope that you succeed in your endeavors.

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,14:14

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The theory is already in some high schools. Parts of it are mixed into the usual K-8 curriculum.

Where are parts of your theory taught in high school?

Or are you just referring to the fact that some items you mention in your manifesto were taken from actual science, which, yes, is taught in high school?

Still waiting for answers here. What part of any Intelligent Design theory created by Mr. Gary Gaulin is taught in public schools?

And your self-assembled lipid bilayers won't cut it. I was making those things for some FRET research on protein folding as an undergrad 8 years ago. You had exactly nothing to do with figuring that science out.

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,15:12

I already succeeded in my endeavor. I now have to devote time to the science teachers and others who take this theory very seriously. That�s the reason I have to stop wasting all my time here (not that some didn�t have useful feedback I am using for improving the text of the theory).

What your academic subculture (which unsuccessfully attempted to control the theory via science by consensus and misrepresentation) does now, is its decision. But sticking your head in the sand the end of the jet runway, is a very bad idea right now.

We�re now here (see 1:31):

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,15:46

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick GaGa will you just fucking leave already?

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,15:46

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That�s the reason I have to stop wasting all my time here .

So you keep saying.

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,17:36

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 22 2012,16:46)

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick GaGa will you just fucking leave already?

Gary, when you leave, start posting at Telic Thoughts. They are ID friendly but have no enthusiasm anymore. Their last post was November 7th.

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,18:58

Hey, GaryBillyBobby, you related to Kruge?

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,20:38

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 22 2012,17:36)

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 22 2012,16:46)

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick GaGa will you just fucking leave already?

Gary, when you leave, start posting at Telic Thoughts. They are ID friendly but have no enthusiasm anymore. Their last post was November 7th.

I'm here to show how anti-scientific the leadership of the Anti-ID movement is. And I can see that Doc Bill just chimed in with their excellent evidence of that, not that I care to answer to their Star-Trek trivia question (that's sci-fi).

I only care about what science can and cannot explain. Why would I want to post in an ID friendly forum?

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,20:43

And can someone please explain to me why Doc Bill's URL reads:

"http://youtu.be/XS4s3XXNLiE"

It should read:

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS4s3XXNLiE"

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,21:01

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 22 2012,20:38)

I only care about what science can and cannot explain. Why would I want to post in an ID friendly forum?

Because they could use some entertainment. That place is practically dead. Go ahead, Gary, give them some action! You're a one-trick pony, but that's better than nothing. They will be eternally grateful.

And if I am not 100 percent clear, here is a more direct message: get out of here! You are a certified crackpot, but an extremely boring one. No fun.

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,21:30

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I only care about what science can and cannot explain. Why would I want to post in an ID friendly forum?

Because they could use some entertainment. That place is practically dead. Go ahead, Gary, give them some action! You're a one-trick pony, but that's better than nothing. They will be eternally grateful.

And if I am not 100 percent clear, here is a more direct message: get out of here! You are a certified crackpot, but an extremely boring one. No fun.

Being against intelligence related sciences which do not support your conclusions that there is no such thing as cellular and molecular levels of intelligence does not make you more scientific than one who studies both.

How do you know that you're not proving to be the certified crackpot(s) here? Projection?

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,21:37

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How do you know that you're not proving to be the certified crackpot(s) here? Projection?

There is the official Crackpot Index, Gary. As I recall, you were scoring in the hundreds on it. Me, not so much. �

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,21:44

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How do you know that you're not proving to be the certified crackpot(s) here? Projection?

There is the official Crackpot Index, Gary. As I recall, you were scoring in the hundreds on it. Me, not so much. �:(

That is an interesting "scientific method" that you are using.

You are not a scientist correct?

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Posted: Dec. 22 2012,23:31

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How do you know that you're not proving to be the certified crackpot(s) here? Projection?

There is the official Crackpot Index, Gary. As I recall, you were scoring in the hundreds on it. Me, not so much. �:(

That is an interesting "scientific method" that you are using.

You are not a scientist correct?

Gary shows his top research skillz. Oleg is *very much* a scientist, Gary. Unlike you.

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Posted: Dec. 23 2012,00:18

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Jesus Christ on a pogo stick GaGa will you just fucking leave already?

Deciding not to waste all of my free time answering an endless stream of nutcase questions is not indication that the vigilantes won, by chasing me away. Only thing that has changed is my patience with the nutcase questions, which around here pass as scientific arguments.

I already proved that none here are qualified to judge this theory and that your self-styled scientific method is a science-stopper.

If any here such as Wesley or Keiths wishes to have a scientific discussion then here's a normal scientific question:
Should the Intelligence Design Lab keep its (most simple as far as cognitive models go) visual sensory to addressing design, or for the sake of teaching how brains detect motion should I plan to add Reichardt detectors in the next software update (after the one now in writing which does not need them right now)? I hate to complicate things even more right now, but that's one of the questions I have, this forum must be able to intelligently answer.

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Posted: Dec. 23 2012,00:22

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I already proved that none here are qualified to judge this theory and that your self-styled scientific method is a science-stopper.

Oh stop it, Gary. It's already been fully refuted:

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Posted: Dec. 23 2012,00:34

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How do you know that you're not proving to be the certified crackpot(s) here? Projection?

There is the official Crackpot Index, Gary. As I recall, you were scoring in the hundreds on it. Me, not so much. �:(

That is an interesting "scientific method" that you are using.

You are not a scientist correct?

Gary shows his top research skillz. Oleg is *very much* a scientist, Gary. Unlike you.

Thanks for the useful info, which only makes it even harder on them and and all else here who call themselves a "scientist". They all should have known better.

In either event, olegt only proved to be another one of the nutcases. And I'm sure glad I'm not in their shoes right now.

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Posted: Dec. 23 2012,00:42

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Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 22 2012,21:30)

How do you know that you're not proving to be the certified crackpot(s) here? Projection?

There is the official Crackpot Index, Gary. As I recall, you were scoring in the hundreds on it. Me, not so much. �:(

That is an interesting "scientific method" that you are using.

You are not a scientist correct?

Gary shows his top research skillz. Oleg is *very much* a scientist, Gary. Unlike you.

Thanks for the useful info, which only makes it even harder on them and and all else here who call themselves a "scientist". They all should have known better.

In either event, olegt only proved to be another one of the nutcases. And I'm sure glad I'm not in their shoes right now.

Gary, other than you, who finds your, ahem, *theory* to have merit?

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Posted: Dec. 23 2012,01:02

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Gary, other than you, who finds your, ahem, *theory* to have merit?

Based on download site volume and feedback I receive (in some cases finding no merit would instantly produce a large volume of negative comments) the current estimate is several thousand.

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