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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,13:59   

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DaveScot: There’s no controversy in evolution.

Of course there's controversy in evolutionary biology. And when Cairn et al. published their 1988 paper, The Origin of Mutants, it was published in the prestigious journal Nature, and the paper's implications immediately set off a debate about the validity of the findings.

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DaveScot: It seems Lenski, 15 years ago, was arguing that directed mutation didn’t exist. It’s pretty much accepted now.

Um, no. Cairn's experiment was flawed, his result a consequence of observational biasing. However, Cairn's highly cited paper led to research into hypermutable cells (and a slight modification of the Central Dogma of Molecular Biology).

Speaking of Unicorns.

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Adaptive Mutation: Has the Unicorn Landed?:

In 1989, CAIRNS and I began a collaboration to further study the phenomenon, which was dubbed "directed mutation" by the editors of Nature and "a unicorn in the garden" by STAHL 1988

Early in the project, we established that the mutational process was not "directed" toward specific targets (i.e., there was no reverse information flow)


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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,15:40   

Quote (dogdidit @ June 26 2008,09:55)
Tribune7 quotes Eric Hoffer (link). How interesting! Trib, have you read The True Believer?? If so...did, er, anything occur to you while you were reading it? Any moments of introspection, or clarity, or philosophical unease?

No??

*sigh*

ETA: great book btw, although I haven't picked it up in 25 years. Should do so, and add it to the Book Club.

That's some pretty strong irony there.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,17:34   

Quote (Zachriel @ June 26 2008,14:59)
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DaveScot: There’s no controversy in evolution.

Of course there's controversy in evolutionary biology. And when Cairn et al. published their 1988 paper, The Origin of Mutants, it was published in the prestigious journal Nature, and the paper's implications immediately set off a debate about the validity of the findings.

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DaveScot: It seems Lenski, 15 years ago, was arguing that directed mutation didn’t exist. It’s pretty much accepted now.

Um, no. Cairn's experiment was flawed, his result a consequence of observational biasing. However, Cairn's highly cited paper led to research into hypermutable cells (and a slight modification of the Central Dogma of Molecular Biology).

Speaking of Unicorns.

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Adaptive Mutation: Has the Unicorn Landed?:

In 1989, CAIRNS and I began a collaboration to further study the phenomenon, which was dubbed "directed mutation" by the editors of Nature and "a unicorn in the garden" by STAHL 1988

Early in the project, we established that the mutational process was not "directed" toward specific targets (i.e., there was no reverse information flow)

Zachriel, I think if we had the money we'd pay you to just watch UD full time. Your knowledge vs Davetard's ignorance is satisfying to watch.

   
GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,18:24   

Quote (stevestory @ June 26 2008,18:34)
Quote (Zachriel @ June 26 2008,14:59)
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DaveScot: There’s no controversy in evolution.

Of course there's controversy in evolutionary biology. And when Cairn et al. published their 1988 paper, The Origin of Mutants, it was published in the prestigious journal Nature, and the paper's implications immediately set off a debate about the validity of the findings.

 
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DaveScot: It seems Lenski, 15 years ago, was arguing that directed mutation didn’t exist. It’s pretty much accepted now.

Um, no. Cairn's experiment was flawed, his result a consequence of observational biasing. However, Cairn's highly cited paper led to research into hypermutable cells (and a slight modification of the Central Dogma of Molecular Biology).

Speaking of Unicorns.

 
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Adaptive Mutation: Has the Unicorn Landed?:

In 1989, CAIRNS and I began a collaboration to further study the phenomenon, which was dubbed "directed mutation" by the editors of Nature and "a unicorn in the garden" by STAHL 1988

Early in the project, we established that the mutational process was not "directed" toward specific targets (i.e., there was no reverse information flow)

Zachriel, I think if we had the money we'd pay you to just watch UD full time. Your knowledge vs Davetard's ignorance is satisfying to watch.

I think we'd have to give him hazard pay.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,18:47   

This is so cool: BA77 is once again a voice of reason at UD defending Bell's inequalities of quantum mechanics against YEC Paul Giem.

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,18:53   

Quote (GCT @ June 26 2008,18:24)
 
I think we'd have to give him hazard pay.




Climbing down into the Tard-Pits.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,19:06   

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That is no way to practice science Paul looking for anomalies and error rates in which to make your case!


The only way to practice science is fat, drunk and stupid.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,19:21   

as if any of those fuckfaces actually did science.  christ.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,19:48   

BlarneyA pays Gil Dodg'em a complement:
 
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BarryA
06/24/2008
1:15 am

Thanks for slogging through the show and giving us an overview. I tried to watch it, intending to do that very thing. But after about 15 minutes the boredom meter reached “stupefying,” and I gave it up as no good. Gil, I am amazed you were able to endure the program from beginning to end. Your ability to tolerate facile blithering and trivialization on a grand scale is astonishing.

Practice, practice, practice.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,19:48   

In case anyone goes delving into the Langan threads at ARN, for the record I was "dayton" back then, and "evan" at ISCID.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,20:05   

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In case anyone goes delving into the Langan threads at ARN, for the record I was "dayton" back then, and "evan" at ISCID.

I try to be frank and earnest with women.

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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,00:57   

Quote (Art @ June 26 2008,07:46)
CTMU/Langan threads:

Does anyone really understand CTMU?

Logical theology

More fun.

Still more.

Enough for now.

Thanks for the URLs, Art.  2002.  My, how time does fly.  I wonder if Bertvan is still alive.  She'd be pushing 90 if she is.  

I think RBH hit it on the head, regarding Mr. Langdon, in the "Still more" thread: "Chris is entranced with words, to the neglect of reality." and "Sorry, Chris. No content, no science. And that's final."

I've copied those threads and filed them under c:\ID\Tard\Tard\Tard

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,03:25   

With all the fun with FTK, it appears that a little tiff between Davescot and Gil Dodg'em has gone unnoticed on the Chris Langan post.

Gil's not impressed:
 
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I don’t give a damn about IQ. I’ll choose Mother Teresa over Chris Langan any day. Chris squandered his talents and Teresa did not.

I believe that there is some ancient wisdom on this subject, called the parable of the talents.

Dave roars back(my bold):
 
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Gil

I’ll choose Mother Teresa over Chris Langan any day.

Choose for what? If you preferred Mother Teresa over Langan for an engineering position I’d fire you for gross incompetence.

I don’t give a damn about IQ.

Really. A rather strange attitude for someone who makes a living in an engineering profession where IQ is a very important factor in job performance.

Langan really brings out the hate in people. It seemed to start with his stepfather who was the first to abuse him for being so smart. Why do YOU hate him, Gil? Your emotional outburst is more of a comment about you than it is about Langan. Did a really smart kid make you look bad in grammar school or something? Fess up. Langan comments in the interview that the really smart kids tend to be abused by the less intellectually gifted. That’s why he became a weight lifter - so he didn’t have to put up with that kind of abuse. That’s why I became a United States Marine as fas as that goes so I can really identify with Langan here. What’s wrong with YOU that you treat people like Langan the way you obviously do? Not much in the way of Christian charity there, either. You should probably work on that.

Gil stakes his claim to the alpha nerd title:
 
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Dave,

P.S.:

 
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   Did a really smart kid make you look bad in grammar school or something? Fess up.


Actually, I graduated as valedictorian in high school with the only perfect grade point average and played the first movement of the Rachmaninoff Second Piano Concerto for the graduation ceremony. I was the quintessential nerd who never fit in, especially with the “in crowd.” Your presumption is precisely backwards.

And Dave backs off:
 
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Gil

I was wondering when someone was going to watch the videos. I figured the first person who did would say something about his eugenics proposal. That was interesting and unexpected. Francis Galton is estimated by some to have had an IQ near Langan’s and Galton is like the father of the modern eugenics movement. Super geniuses tend to have problems relating to normal people and this is probably one common manifestation of it. To play well with others you have to be able to think and feel as they do or at least some close proximity to it. He’s not a kook but he seems different - not wired the same mentally OR emotionally - it could be that the part of the brain in normal people used to relate with others is conscripted instead for intellectual chores (no free lunches). Or it could be affected just to keep people from getting too close - it appears to be sociopathic either way. I like him because he makes me look like a humble well adjusted guy in comparison!

I’m pretty sure he’s a high genius though. 20/20 hired an expert to verify the claim. There’s no way to get a high score on those tests except to have the mental ability to work the problems. I’m not sure if he’s aware of how arrogant he comes off but I’m pretty sure he doesn’t care.

The theory of everything he’s got is like who cares if it’s closer to the absolute truth than anything else. That absolute truth and $3 will get a small latte at Starbucks. It’s too distant from anything practical to bother dallying with - 56 pages of wool gathering - might as well be a theory of how many angels will fit on the head of a pin. In any case I was really surprised by the association with ARN - the last place he’d find he could fit in would be with evangelical Christians.


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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,03:51   

Quote (carlsonjok @ June 27 2008,04:25)
With all the fun with FTK, it appears that a little tiff between Davescot and Gil Dodg'em has gone unnoticed on the Chris Langan post.

Gil's not impressed:
 
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I don’t give a damn about IQ. I’ll choose Mother Teresa over Chris Langan any day. Chris squandered his talents and Teresa did not.

I believe that there is some ancient wisdom on this subject, called the parable of the talents.

Dave roars back(my bold):
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Gil

I’ll choose Mother Teresa over Chris Langan any day.

Choose for what? If you preferred Mother Teresa over Langan for an engineering position I’d fire you for gross incompetence.

If you hired Langan for an engineering position I'd fire you for gross incompetence. He's never demonstrated any proficiency in engineering.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,04:01   

Coincidentally I was just reading in Emotional Intelligence about a study at Bell Labs where they tried to figure out what separated the superstar engineers from the average ones. They found that both groups had high IQs, but the superstar engineers were much better at building social networks of people they could call on for expertise on things outside their particular domain.

If social capabilities play such an important role in engineering, you'd be crazy to hire Langan or Davetard. Might hire Gil, though. He seems like a nicer, better adjusted fella. He'd solve some problems while Davetard bragged on the internet about how fast he types C code, and Langan worked on his Cognito-Quacktastic Model of Teh Universe!!!!!!!!!11111

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,04:14   

Quote (stevestory @ June 27 2008,04:01)
If social capabilities play such an important role in engineering, you'd be crazy to hire Langan or Davetard. Might hire Gil, though. He seems like a nicer, better adjusted fella. He'd solve some problems while Davetard bragged on the internet about how fast he types C code, and Langan worked on his Cognito-Quacktastic Model of Teh Universe!!!!!!!!!11111

Dodgen is a man of some accomplishment.  Google 'gil dodgen hang gliding' and you'll find that he was the editor of "Hang Gliding" magazine for a number of years before being forced out for some unmentioned reason.  This rather implies that he has successfully hang glided numerous times in  his life, yet he is still alive.  If DaveTard told me he was going to take up hang gliding, I would buy insurance on his life with myself as the beneficiary and the denizens of this blog would give him one hell of a wake.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,04:48   

Speaking generally about 'intelligence', the older I get the less I respect IQ. When I was a young high-IQ kid I thought it was the be-all, end-all. Now I look at the kind of abstract pattern-matching it reflects as just one facet of thinking.

Think of it like muscles. If you're a teenage powerlifter, you're probably inclined to think of raw strength as the ne plus ultra. But as you get older, you learn to appreciate other qualities like cardiovascular endurance, or the sinewy aesthetic look of swimmers, or you notice that powerlifters don't necessarily have the best health. As you mature you see there's more to it than that one aspect.

It's similar evolutionarily. Nature gives people a range of strengths. Maximizing raw strength isn't ever the best. There are compromises. You want strength, but you also want efficiency, and flexibility, and other things. A mutant cheetah can have really doubly strong legs but if they get tired in 50 feet he starves to death. Gotta have a good balance of qualities. IQ intelligence is nice, but not the best by itself. Paul Erdos I'm sure had an IQ way above mine, but I wouldn't trade my brain for his--he was socially retarded. He had one really high aspect of thinking, but was really deficient in others. He didn't have that good balance.

The fact that some people arrive with mutant IQs doesn't impress me any more than that baby with the mutant strength who looked like a little bodybuilder. A mutation happens, and the toddler can lift 100 lbs but then he gets some weird disease. A mutation happens, and William James Sidis can learn a language in a single day, but then he dies of a brain hemmorhage at 46. I think in both cases we're overrating a single factor without appreciating other subtler factors that are important for the overall performance of the organism.

As a consequence of this, I think that with IQ, like with strength, it's possible we'll find some simple chemical device that really boosts that particular single factor. Get some injections and they'll alter your brain in the way that Langan's or Sidis's brains are abnormal, and you too will be able to play pan-dimensional chess. But there will be trade-offs, just like with steroids. Maybe you'll get a hyper IQ, but you'll try to feed your dog by throwing cereal on the floor, like Erdos, or become friends with nonexistent people, like John Nash, or fear your wife will poison you, like Kurt Godel.

If you wonder why we don't all have fantastic IQs, like we don't all have fantastic strength, well, Erdos, Sidis, Godel, and Isaac Newton left behind a combined zero children....

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,04:52   

Quote (CeilingCat @ June 27 2008,05:14)

Oh yeah. If Davetard took up hanggliding I'd take out a billion-euro policy on him with Lloyd's of London.

"Don't YOU tell ME how to rig this thing! My SAT scores were huge!!!!!!!"

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,06:43   

Quote (stevestory @ June 27 2008,05:48)
If you wonder why we don't all have fantastic IQs, like we don't all have fantastic strength, well, Erdos, Sidis, Godel, and Isaac Newton left behind a combined zero children....

Not to mention regression to the mean.

Interesting and valid thoughts. I would add: nearly all of us DO have fantastic IQs. Most human beings are capable of language that refers (Brentano's intentionality) coupled with theory of mind (understanding that others have subjective states of belief, desire and intention) by age four. These are astounding evolutionary and developmental accomplishments.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,06:45   

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But there will be trade-offs, just like with steroids. Maybe you'll get a hyper IQ, but you'll ... become friends with nonexistent people, ...

Watch it, buster.  There are a few friends of the girls on this board that might be a little put off by that statement.

:D

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,06:50   

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Not to mention regression to the mean.


Please don't. I've had quite enough of that from ignoramus dog breeders whose currency with genetics stops with Galton.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,07:41   

Quote (Lou FCD @ June 27 2008,06:45)
Quote (stevestory @ June 27 2008,05:48)
But there will be trade-offs, just like with steroids. Maybe you'll get a hyper IQ, but you'll ... become friends with nonexistent people, ...

Watch it, buster.  There are a few friends of the girls on this board that might be a little put off by that statement.

I thought you were a figment of my imagination, Lou.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,08:20   

Quote (Maya @ June 27 2008,08:41)
Quote (Lou FCD @ June 27 2008,06:45)
Quote (stevestory @ June 27 2008,05:48)
But there will be trade-offs, just like with steroids. Maybe you'll get a hyper IQ, but you'll ... become friends with nonexistent people, ...

Watch it, buster.  There are a few friends of the girls on this board that might be a little put off by that statement.

I thought you were a figment of my imagination, Lou.

I get that more often than I care to admit, Maya.

So, uh, if you uh, y'know, want to share the details of that uh, imagining, you can uh, y'know, find Janie's email address...

:p

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,08:42   

Quote (stevestory @ June 27 2008,05:48)
It's similar evolutionarily. Nature gives people a range of strengths. Maximizing raw strength isn't ever the best. There are compromises. You want strength, but you also want efficiency, and flexibility, and other things. A mutant cheetah can have really doubly strong legs but if they get tired in 50 feet he starves to death. Gotta have a good balance of qualities.

If you wonder why we don't all have fantastic IQs, like we don't all have fantastic strength, well, Erdos, Sidis, Godel, and Isaac Newton left behind a combined zero children....

Race horses are suffering for it.

Euler made up for all of them.  Of course the kids survival rate was pretty poor.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,08:55   

Dr Dr Dembski appears to buy into the "god made the entire natural world for you to exploit however you see fit" angle with his latest post.
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Here is one consequence of evolution being used to justify strict continuity between humans and other forms of life. Discovery Institute’s persistent stress on humans being made in the image of God and that not being a privilege extended to the rest of the animal world makes more and more sense.


Er, Dr Dr Dembski, "rights for apes" have nothing to do one way or the other with god, atheism, intelligent design or anything else.

And what is this
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Discovery Institute’s persistent stress on humans being made in the image of God

I think that the Disco tute was hardly the first to think that, but it just shows how desperate the good Dr Dr is to find an ID spin on any story.

Not much happening in the ID research labs Dr Dr Dembski? Don't you have any actual ID news to report?

:)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,08:58   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 27 2008,07:50)
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Not to mention regression to the mean.


Please don't. I've had quite enough of that from ignoramus dog breeders whose currency with genetics stops with Galton.

{Googles "regression to the mean" and "dog breeding"}

Who knew.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,09:10   

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Euler made up for all of them.  Of course the kids survival rate was pretty poor.

He and the family should have moved to Texas.  Then they would have been the Houston Eulers.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,10:19   

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es58: dumb question

No question asked in good faith is dumb.

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es58: If we agree that in Lenski’s e. Coli experiment where citrate metabolism is one significant evolutionary event, where there is a detectable
phenotypic change (DPC), and

we consider it took 40K generations over 20 years;

and we consider that human generations are 20 years, then 40K human generations would take 800K years
and if it’s 5 to 8 mya that humans and chimps broke off from each other, let’s say 8M,
then 8 M / 800 K = 10

so, we might expect about 10 DPC events during that time,
but the website listed here:

http://www.whyevolution.com/chimps.html#chimp

would seem to list a few more than 10 such events, maybe 100’s.

But you are making the assumption that there has only been a single detectable phenotypic change in Lenski's bacteria, which is certainly not true. The bacterial populations are in a constant state of flux as they evolve in competition with their neighbors, even though the environment is a simplified laboratory contrivance.

Related experiments have observed evolution in response to hot and cold environments, fluctuating nutrient levels, or even the top and bottom of flasks. (Paul Rainey has done some interesting work in this regard; Unity from conflict, Nature 2007; Evolution of cooperation and conflict in experimental bacterial populations, Nature 2003; Adaptive radiation in a heterogeneous environment, Nature 1998; as has Gregory Velicer; Evolution of an obligate social cheater to a superior cooperator, Nature 2006.)

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,10:37   

This could be interesting. Shame the cost won't be passed on to the disco tute people.
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Baton Rouge – Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal signed into law the Louisiana Science Education Act, ensuring the state’s teachers their right to teach the scientific evidence both for and against Darwinian evolution.

Dembski breathlessly approves
Louisiana Science Education Act — Gov. Jindal signs off on it!

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,10:46   

Wow, you're right about this guy:

 
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Possessions meant little to Erdos; most of his belongings would fit in a suitcase, as dictated by his itinerant lifestyle. Awards and other earnings were in general donated to people in need and various worthy causes. He spent most of his life as a vagabond, travelling between scientific conferences and the homes of colleagues all over the world. He would typically show up at a colleague's doorstep and announce "my brain is open", staying long enough to collaborate on a few papers before moving on a few days later. In many cases, he would ask the current collaborator about whom he (Erdos) should visit next. His working style has been humorously compared to traversing a linked list.
His colleague Alfréd Rényi said, "a mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems", and Erdos drank copious quantities. (This quotation is often attributed incorrectly to Erdos.)[4] After 1971 he also took amphetamines, despite the concern of his friends, one of whom (Ron Graham) bet him $500 that he could not stop taking the drug for a month.[5] Erdos won the bet, but complained during his abstinence that mathematics had been set back by a month: "Before, when I looked at a piece of blank paper my mind was filled with ideas. Now all I see is a blank piece of paper." After he won the bet, he promptly resumed his amphetamine habit.
He had his own idiosyncratic vocabulary: he spoke of "The Book", an imaginary book in which God had written down the best and most elegant proofs for mathematical theorems. Lecturing in 1985 he said, "You don't have to believe in God, but you should believe in The Book." He himself doubted the existence of God, whom he called the "Supreme Fascist" (SF) [6]. He accused the SF of hiding his socks and Hungarian passports, and of keeping the most elegant mathematical proofs to himself. When he saw a particularly beautiful mathematical proof he would exclaim, "This one's from The Book!". This later inspired a book entitled Proofs from THE BOOK.
Other idiosyncratic elements of Erdos' vocabulary include: children were referred to as "epsilons" (because in mathematics, particularly calculus, an arbitrarily small positive quantity is commonly denoted ?); women were "bosses"; men were "slaves"; people who stopped doing math had "died"; people who died had "left"; alcoholic drinks were "poison"; music was "noise"; people who had married were "captured"; people who had divorced were "liberated" and to give a mathematical lecture was "to preach". Also, all countries which he thought failed to provide freedom to individuals as long as they did no harm to anyone else were classified as imperialist and given a name that began with a lowercase letter. For example, the U.S. was "samland" (after Uncle Sam), the Soviet Union was "joedom" (after Joseph Stalin), and Israel was "israel". For his epitaph he suggested, "I've finally stopped getting dumber." (Hungarian: "Végre nem butulok tovább"). (Hoffman 1998)


I've known people in academia just like this, but most of them either lived with their mothers, had no friends, or bathed way less often than they should.

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