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Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,11:47    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 16 2007,12:39) Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 16 2007,11:20) And Bornagain77 is me! Praise Jesus! But I'm J-Dog. Wait.  Really? I always kinda thought he was a sockpuppet of JanieBelle.  (That always sorta explained the "J" part for me.) Does anyone have a roster?  It's beginning to get like keeping track of the characters in War and Peace. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,11:49    Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 16 2007,11:47) Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 16 2007,12:39) Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 16 2007,11:20) And Bornagain77 is me! Praise Jesus! But I'm J-Dog. Wait.  Really? I always kinda thought he was a sockpuppet of JanieBelle.  (That always sorta explained the "J" part for me.) Does anyone have a roster?  It's beginning to get like keeping track of the characters in War and Peace. I've met J-Dog. Unless I'm a sock puppet... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,11:55    Getting good.. http://www.uncommondescent.com/educati....-148947   Quote 70 Jehu 11/16/2007 12:25 pm Stanton Quote (I)’ve read Behe’s Amazon comments (where Behe has disabled comments on all except one post)and I’ve read Edge and DBB, etc., etc. The fact that Behe claims that Smith’s and Musgrave’s contention are “unimpressive” to him is irrelevant (and sadly comical) to anyone who’s perused the material with an open mind. Actually, you don’t understand the issue. You are in over your head. Abbie Smith came to this blog and had her head handed to her by a poster here. It was on of the worst thrashings I have ever seen. The fact is, she has failed to identify an exception to the Edge that Behe outlined in the Edge of Evolution. The only way one can find Smith’s arguments persuasive is if you don’t really understand the issue. This was probably the case with Smith originally. But I think she eventually realized this and refused to answer a simple yes or no question repeatedly put to her because she knew she was caught. 71 Stanton Rockwell 11/16/2007 12:44 pm Jehu, It’s my understanding that Ms. Smith’s ability to respond was unilaterally terminated (she was banned, in other words) so you claims ring rather hollow. As far as understanding the issues is concerned, you know nothing about my training or education, which I will wager is a good deal further advanced than yours on the subject. 72 Jehu 11/16/2007 12:49 pm Stanton, To illustrate how out to lunch you, Musgrave and Smith are on Behe’s Edge of Evolution, let me give you an illustration. On page 143 of Behe’s Edge of Evolution, Behe writes that the estimated number of organisms needed to create one new protein to protein binding sites is 1020. Further down the page, Behe notes that the population size of HIV is, surprise, 1020. So according to Behe’s own thesis, HIV should be able to evolve a new protein to protein binding sites. So along come Smith and Musgrave, point out a mutation clearly within Behe’s thesis, and then declare victory when in fact they have not contradicted Behe at all. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,11:58    Dembski Retraction: http://www.uncommondescent.com/science....-148959 Quote 194 Patrick 11/16/2007 12:55 pm Is there any place where he either retracts the paper publicly, contests the refutation by Schneider and others, or offers another explanation for its disappearance? http://cayman.globat.com/~trad.....s/eev.html Thanks to those who pointed to a bug in our software. This paper has been withdrawn. For revised analysis, see HERE. Not sure if Bill has publicly stated if they intend to revise and resubmit. Suprise! the link is dead... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,12:00    Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 16 2007,11:58) Dembski Retraction: http://www.uncommondescent.com/science....-148959   Quote 194 Patrick 11/16/2007 12:55 pm Is there any place where he either retracts the paper publicly, contests the refutation by Schneider and others, or offers another explanation for its disappearance? http://cayman.globat.com/~trad.....s/eev.html Thanks to those who pointed to a bug in our software. This paper has been withdrawn. For revised analysis, see HERE. Not sure if Bill has publicly stated if they intend to revise and resubmit. Suprise! the link is dead... Edit - Link didn't copy across.. here indeed is the retraction: http://cayman.globat.com/~tradem....ev.html -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Altabin Posts: 308 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,12:04    Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 16 2007,18:58) Dembski Retraction: http://www.uncommondescent.com/science....-148959   Quote 194 Patrick 11/16/2007 12:55 pm Is there any place where he either retracts the paper publicly, contests the refutation by Schneider and others, or offers another explanation for its disappearance? http://cayman.globat.com/~trad.....s/eev.html Thanks to those who pointed to a bug in our software. This paper has been withdrawn. For revised analysis, see HERE. Not sure if Bill has publicly stated if they intend to revise and resubmit. Suprise! the link is dead... For me, the link to the "retraction" and to the Powerpoint revision  are both working now. --------------

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,12:13    Well I'll be damned.  An admission of error, straight up. Had to get it with a crowbar, but still. . . . -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,12:20    They're still banging on about "active information". I would suggest that the "active information", ie the selection process resides in the environment itself and so poses no real problem for evolution. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,12:23    Vote early - Vote often - Baylor U campus paper running survey regarding ID - http://www.baylor.edu/Lariat/ -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,12:27    Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 16 2007,12:20) They're still banging on about "active information". I would suggest that the "active information", ie the selection process resides in the environment itself and so poses no real problem for evolution. Well sure.  WMaD's strategy (see CSI) is to multiply the types of information, muddy the differences between them, and then claim that [pick one type] makes evolution impossible.   Is there any ongoing documentation that simply chronicles his history of weasling on this word? -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,12:41    Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 16 2007,13:23) Vote early - Vote often - Baylor U campus paper running survey regarding ID - http://www.baylor.edu/Lariat/ I voted "encourage", cuz y'know, I'd love to see some actual ID research. Either that or another monumental embarrassment, whichever. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

franky172 Posts: 160 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,12:47    Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 16 2007,12:20) They're still banging on about "active information". I would suggest that the "active information", ie the selection process resides in the environment itself and so poses no real problem for evolution. I think you are correct - "active information" is supposed to tell us how much better any search does than a search over all possible fitness landscapes, which is equivalent to asking "how much worse does this search do over a pathologically difficult search space" (since almost all search spaces are pathologically difficult).   Of course no one cares how well searches do over all these insane spaces; we only care about how well searches do over physically realistic search spaces - i.e. spaces like our own where life is generally good. As far as I can tell, Dembski's "active information" critique of genetic algorithms is the equivalent of complaining because RM+NS doesn't produce life in a vacuum.

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,13:17    Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 16 2007,12:41) Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 16 2007,13:23) Vote early - Vote often - Baylor U campus paper running survey regarding ID - http://www.baylor.edu/Lariat/ I voted "encourage", cuz y'know, I'd love to see some actual ID research. Either that or another monumental embarrassment, whichever. You're the kind of sick person who doesn't believe in mercy killings, aren't you? -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,13:26    Jehu is a tard     Quote (Jehu the Yahoo @ Nov. 16 2007, 12:54 pm) Stanton,     Quote (Stanton Rockwell @ Nov. 16 2007, 12:44 pm) It’s my understanding that Ms. Smith’s ability to respond was unilaterally terminated (she was banned, in other words) so you claims ring rather hollow. As far as understanding the issues is concerned, you know nothing about my training or education, which I will wager is a good deal further advanced than yours on the subject. Sorry. Wrong. She was banned for her rudeness but then the poster went to her blog and posed the question there and she still refused to answer it. Smith should be an embarassment to your side. She argues like a juvenille delinquent. Anyway, if you have such vaunted “education and training” show some evidence of it. Hmmm... funny that's not exactly how I remember things going. I really must speak to the doc about those pain meds and what they do to my memory...     Quote (Annyday @ Nov. 16 2007,14:17) You're the kind of sick person who doesn't believe in mercy killings, aren't you? I also eat babies, puppies, and kittens. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,13:31    Granny Tard characterizes the Baylor paper as a "rag" and the article as "rambling". Too funny. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,13:39    Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 16 2007,11:58) Dembski Retraction: http://www.uncommondescent.com/science....-148959   Quote 194 Patrick 11/16/2007 12:55 pm Is there any place where he either retracts the paper publicly, contests the refutation by Schneider and others, or offers another explanation for its disappearance? http://cayman.globat.com/~trad.....s/eev.html Thanks to those who pointed to a bug in our software. This paper has been withdrawn. For revised analysis, see HERE. Not sure if Bill has publicly stated if they intend to revise and resubmit. Suprise! the link is dead... In a thread with the title "Speculation presented as fact".  Hmmm. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,13:40    Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 16 2007,12:41) Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 16 2007,13:23) Vote early - Vote often - Baylor U campus paper running survey regarding ID - http://www.baylor.edu/Lariat/ I voted "encourage", cuz y'know, I'd love to see some actual ID research. Either that or another monumental embarrassment, whichever. I hope *EVERYONE* here is voting "encourage"  I did.  I'd love to see more ID failures at Baylor. -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,13:55    Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Nov. 16 2007,13:40) Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 16 2007,12:41)   Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 16 2007,13:23) Vote early - Vote often - Baylor U campus paper running survey regarding ID - http://www.baylor.edu/Lariat/ I voted "encourage", cuz y'know, I'd love to see some actual ID research. Either that or another monumental embarrassment, whichever. I hope *EVERYONE* here is voting "encourage"  I did.  I'd love to see more ID failures at Baylor. You are one sick puppy - you fit right in here. But hasn't Dr. Dr. Dembski suffered enough? -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,14:01    I have a purely rhetorical hypothetical question. Do you think the mods at UDumb can tell if you are popping in over there from this site, or if you exit their site to come here? Might be useful information for you trolls out there. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Fross Posts: 71 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,14:31    yea, I voted encourage as well.  I'm curious to see what real ID research would look like. -------------- "For everything else, there's Mastertard"

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,14:54    Quote Joseph: There aren’t any new protein to protein binding sites made by those 9- that is protein to protein binding sites within the virus. Dr Behe explained he is not talking about foreign proteins. Behe responds: Yes, I’m perfectly willing to concede that this does appear to be the development of a new viral protein-viral protein binding site, one which I overlooked when writing about HIV. Quote Joseph: Also Dr Behe is talking about constructive protein to protein binding sites. It is constructive, Joseph. Constructive for the virus. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,15:12    Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 11 2007,08:43)     Quote Allen_MacNeill: any more than it declares or establishes the United States of America as a “Christian nation.” tribune7Allen, the U.S. Constitution declares Jesus to be Lord i.e. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.signers.html Quote Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the states present the seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the twelfth. Gee whiz, tribune7. No, kairosfocus. Adding A.D. (Anno Domini or "year of our Lord") after a date does not imply an endorsement of religion. 2007 A.D. Or that when you write "August", you think Caesar was a god. Or just because you celebrate Wife of Woden Day with wild abandon that you are a pagan. Thank God It's Wife of Woden Day!!! -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,15:48    Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 16 2007,13:26) I also eat babies, puppies, and kittens. See, now that's why I've never been to one of your backyard barbecues. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,15:49    Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 16 2007,12:26) Jehu is a tard         Quote (Jehu the Yahoo @ Nov. 16 2007, 12:54 pm) Stanton, Quote (Stanton Rockwell @ Nov. 16 2007, 12:44 pm) It’s my understanding that Ms. Smith’s ability to respond was unilaterally terminated (she was banned, in other words) so you claims ring rather hollow. As far as understanding the issues is concerned, you know nothing about my training or education, which I will wager is a good deal further advanced than yours on the subject. Sorry. Wrong. She was banned for her rudeness but then the poster went to her blog and posed the question there and she still refused to answer it. Smith should be an embarassment to your side. She argues like a juvenille delinquent. Anyway, if you have such vaunted “education and training” show some evidence of it. Hmmm... funny that's not exactly how I remember things going. I really must speak to the doc about those pain meds and what they do to my memory...       Quote (Annyday @ Nov. 16 2007,14:17) You're the kind of sick person who doesn't believe in mercy killings, aren't you? I also eat babies, puppies, and kittens. If I had the time, I'd stop blathering here and go through all our posts on this thread, note who was banned when, and then draw up the I'm With the Banned Family Tree, showing all the bannings plotted against time as "extinctions" in the tree, with the UDarwinian "winners" (like BFast, Jehu, etc.) outliving us all. (Then I could also index this thing.) I'm sure wMAD would really appreciate me demonstrating how he is a ruthless little Darwinian winnower of commenters, even as he states that natural selection cannot achieve anything because [he says] all it does is eliminate traits. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,15:50    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Nov. 16 2007,14:01) I have a purely rhetorical hypothetical question. Do you think the mods at UDumb can tell if you are popping in over there from this site, or if you exit their site to come here? Might be useful information for you trolls out there. I assume this is a purely theoretical question with no real-world relevance? Just idly wondering? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,15:56    Quote (Kristine @ Nov. 16 2007,16:49) If I had the time, I'd stop blathering here :p and go through all our posts on this thread, note who was banned when, and then draw up the I'm With the Banned Family Tree, showing all the bannings plotted against time as "extinctions" in the tree, with the UDarwinian "winners" (like BFast, Jehu, etc.) outliving us all. (Then I could also index this thing.) Actually, I believe we have a thread with that information all conveniently collected in one place by Reciprocating Bill, so that would save you the research time. Edited by Lou FCD on Nov. 16 2007,16:57 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Jim_Wynne Posts: 1208 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,16:02    Well, ol' Jim is just back from the tardmine where I just received a double-secret, unannounced banning (apparently) as Stanton Rockwell.  My posts stopped showing up right after I hinted that I might have some expertise in biology (I don't) :p and defended Abbie Smith here. Unfortunately,  Stanton's my demise also came just as I was getting warmed up in discussions with mastertards Joe G. and Larry F. -------------- Evolution is not about laws but about randomness on happanchance.--Robert Byers, at PT

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,16:04    Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Nov. 16 2007,16:02) Well, ol' Jim is just back from the tardmine where I just received a double-secret, unannounced banning (apparently) as Stanton Rockwell.  My posts stopped showing up right after I hinted that I might have some expertise in biology (I don't) :p and defended Abbie Smith here. Unfortunately,  Stanton's my demise also came just as I was getting warmed up in discussions with mastertards Joe G. and Larry F. That was damn funny, the pic, the tardmine and the mastertards, -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,16:29    Hmmm...do bannniations of admitted sock puppets count as operation of the Nixplanatory filter? I can see that as a bit unfair to UD. And you all know I am the soul of fair play when it comes to UD. (Well, not the detachable soul of fair play, but you know what I mean.) -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,16:37    I think they count, but it should be noted that it's our fault. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

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