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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2016,15:23   

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Dense and information are like Morecambe and Wise

Or perhaps anti-particle and particle.
Dense can take perfectly informative words and string them together into perfectly uninformative sentences.  The difference may be that no energy is released from the contact.  Energy is sucked out of the viewer who encounters her deadly prose.
It's almost Gaulinian.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2016,07:51   

Quote (NoName @ July 30 2016,15:23)
Quote (k.e.. @ July 30 2016,10:25)
Dense and information are like Morecambe and Wise

Or perhaps anti-particle and particle.
Dense can take perfectly informative words and string them together into perfectly uninformative sentences.  The difference may be that no energy is released from the contact.  Energy is sucked out of the viewer who encounters her deadly prose.
It's almost Gaulinian.

"No, no, Mr. Preview, I'm writing all the right words. But not necessarily in the right order."

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2016,15:21   

Gordon KairosFocus Mullings makes the claim that the fellow travellers of our ilk reject the importance of inference in science.

KairosFocus spewage

When he is called to name a single person or commenter at UD who has made this claim, Mullings the magnificent resorts to:

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JDK, you will just have to take it — rejection of inductive reasoning as is typically understood — as a given of experience here at UD with Kantians and Popperians of various stripes and fellow travellers, with a dash or two of Hume etc. But remember, we live in an age where many reject self-evident first principles of right reason rooted in distinct identity to the point where that is in the UD weak argument correctives for cause. Maybe a site search will turn up some of the debates. But I suspect it will be far more profitable to go to discussions of inductive reasoning at Stanford Enc of Phil or Internet Enc of Phil (which is linked from the OP; try here: http://www.iep.utm.edu/conf-in....onf-ind ). Even something so seemingly trivial as speaking of ravens and swans above is connected to that wider discussion. I add, look up the inductive turkey by Russell. But on balance, inductive reasoning is absolutely important, legitimate and reasonable. KF


Earth to KF. You are not answering the question.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2016,15:27   

I don't sock at UD, but if i did, i'd use an obscuronym of Inductive Turkey.

   
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2016,17:26   

Actually, kf is saying there are those in science who deny the central role of induction, not inference, which is worse.

However, what he points to are philosophers who discuss some of the problems with induction, which is a different issue.

Basically what kf is concerned about is that scientists won't accept the design inference: his basic position is that if they apply induction- based inferences based on the evidence, then by God (double-entendre intended) they just have got to admit the arguments for design.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2016,01:10   

KF talks about vjtorley's latest magnum flatus, 31 great scientists who loved jesus.  Has anybody measured that for length?  I'm wondering if Mr. Torley might have broken his own record for longest post.  (Is anybody keeping count?)  I'm using a tablet and I swear my index finger is 5 cm shorter (.02 cubit) after paging through what seems to be a Sunday school history of science.

If you can manage to get to the end of it, check out response #5.  Vj has been leaning on Prof. S. Joshua Swamidass pretty heavily in the last few months.  Swamidas seems to be some kind of actual scientist who's also a Bible believing Christian, once you really understand the Bible and Jesus..  He has a good command of science and Torley has been using him as a battering ram to try and knock through some of the encrusted UD ignorance.  Not with any measurable success, of course.

Now see him gently educate Vj on things like the difference between science and scientists personal opinions and similar topics.

One thing he doesn't bring up is that design theory is very, very old.   Torley's example scientists were Intelligent Design fans clear back in the 1500s.  This is an embarassing topic for a movement that thinks of itself as full of fresh new ideas, ideally suited to straighten out science.

Edited by stevestory on Aug. 02 2016,14:08

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2016,01:25   

Reply #6 by a Ted Davis is also interesting.  I think Torley is trying to scrape some of the crank off ID and is finding it harder than he thought.  It seems that ID crank extends to a lot of his own positions.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2016,01:34   

What KF is trying to obfuscate is that UD visitors never criticized induction but rather IDists and especially his poor often sensless or even mad reasoning.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2016,01:55   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Aug. 02 2016,01:25)
Reply #6 by a Ted Davis is also interesting.  I think Torley is trying to scrape some of the crank off ID and is finding it harder than he thought.  It seems that ID crank extends to a lot of his own positions.

It's crank all the way down.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2016,12:35   

UD headline:
 
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VIDEO: Doug Axe presents the thesis of his new (and fast-selling) book, Undeniable

The book is listed at novelrank. If you click on "charts" and set the timeframe to 90 days you will see that Amzon.com usually sells less than 20 books per day. There are a few peaks with a maximum of 60 books (about 10% of total Amazon sales) on a single day but a total of less than 700 books as of today is not really world shaking.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2016,13:49   

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Granville Sewell on resurrection as metamorphosis
July 31, 2016 Posted by News under Evolution, Intelligent Design, Religion


Sciency AF!

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2016,15:00   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 02 2016,11:49)
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Granville Sewell on resurrection as metamorphosis
July 31, 2016 Posted by News under Evolution, Intelligent Design, Religion


Sciency AF!

That thread must be science.  They say "quantum".
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5 J-MacJuly 31, 2016 at 8:59 pm
“Maybe Jesus did not really die."

Jesus had to have died as HUMAN, in human body. However, when one takes into consideration quantum entanglement, Jesus could have died as human but because of the possibilities of quantum entanglement, his memories and experiences could have been brought back to him after resurrection…

Sounds legit to me.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2016,02:24   

I wonder if Sewell is delusioned enough to directly reply to BA77 (crazy linkfest omitted):
 
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Dr Sewell, since you have done work in the area of entropy,,,
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Dr Sewell, since you have done work in the area entropy, it may interest you to know that ‘overcoming entropy’ figured centrally in the resurrection of Christ from death.
[...]
First off, despite the claim from atheists that entropy does not prevent life from spontaneously appearing on earth, the fact of the matter is that the primary reason our material bodies grow old and die is, barring an untimely death, because of entropy:
[...]
This following video brings the point personally home to us about the effects of entropy on our material bodies:
[...]
And the maximum source of entropy in the universe is found to be where gravity is greatest, i.e. black holes,,
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Thus, if Jesus Christ were to have truly overcome death in His resurrection then this ‘entropic concern’ associated with gravity and death must have been dealt with.
[...]
And amazingly, there is little known anomaly on the Shroud of Turin that strongly suggests that this is exactly what happened. Namely, the image on the Shroud of Turin gives indication of ‘defying gravity’:
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Supplemental note on the Shroud:
[...]
Of related note, contrary to the materialistic assumptions of Darwinists, life is not dominated by ‘thermodynamic jostling’ but instead seems to behave in its order and its structure just like inanimate matter cooled down to near absolute zero. Where quantum effects play a very important role.


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2016,06:02   

Quote (sparc @ Aug. 03 2016,02:24)
I wonder if Sewell is delusioned enough to directly reply to BA77 (crazy linkfest omitted):
   
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Dr Sewell, since you have done work in the area of entropy,,,
[...]
Dr Sewell, since you have done work in the area entropy, it may interest you to know that ‘overcoming entropy’ figured centrally in the resurrection of Christ from death.
[...]
First off, despite the claim from atheists that entropy does not prevent life from spontaneously appearing on earth, the fact of the matter is that the primary reason our material bodies grow old and die is, barring an untimely death, because of entropy:
[...]
This following video brings the point personally home to us about the effects of entropy on our material bodies:
[...]
And the maximum source of entropy in the universe is found to be where gravity is greatest, i.e. black holes,,
[...]
Thus, if Jesus Christ were to have truly overcome death in His resurrection then this ‘entropic concern’ associated with gravity and death must have been dealt with.
[...]
And amazingly, there is little known anomaly on the Shroud of Turin that strongly suggests that this is exactly what happened. Namely, the image on the Shroud of Turin gives indication of ‘defying gravity’:
[...]
Supplemental note on the Shroud:
[...]
Of related note, contrary to the materialistic assumptions of Darwinists, life is not dominated by ‘thermodynamic jostling’ but instead seems to behave in its order and its structure just like inanimate matter cooled down to near absolute zero. Where quantum effects play a very important role.


I doubt that he will if he seriously believes that a decomposing body is equivalent to the transformation from a chrysalis to an adult insect.

Entropically speaking.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2016,10:13   

Wouldn't that be entomologically speaking?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2016,11:02   

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Of related note, contrary to the materialistic assumptions of Darwinists, life is not dominated by ‘thermodynamic jostling’ but instead seems to behave in its order and its structure just like inanimate matter cooled down to near absolute zero. Where quantum effects play a very important role.


you know those bullshit graphics where happy colorful geometric shapes purported to be kinesin toodle around the i-beams of the cell, carrying cargo hither and yon like efficient little workers?

Batshit77 apparently thinks that's a video of what's really going on.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2016,12:03   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 03 2016,19:02)
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Of related note, contrary to the materialistic assumptions of Darwinists, life is not dominated by ‘thermodynamic jostling’ but instead seems to behave in its order and its structure just like inanimate matter cooled down to near absolute zero. Where quantum effects play a very important role.


you know those bullshit graphics where happy colorful geometric shapes purported to be kinesin toodle around the i-beams of the cell, carrying cargo hither and yon like efficient little workers?

Batshit77 apparently thinks that's a video of what's really going on.

Oh that would be the most reasonable of his fantasies what about the shroud? He thinks it's like gravity defying Iron Man suit more powerful than a black hole. Whatever he's smoking I'll bet could zombiefy the superbowl when he breathes out.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2016,12:05   

whatever he's smoking probly Is a Super Bowl.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2016,23:05   

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whatever he's smoking probly Is a Super Bowl.

It's a sad thing, but true:  BornAgain77 was a much nicer/less horrible/not quite as annoying person when he was on drugs.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2016,06:00   

From News' thread on Sewell's metamorphosis = resurrection  idea we can conclude that BA77 really has some talent in killing threads.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2016,20:12   

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From News' thread on Sewell's metamorphosis = resurrection  idea we can conclude that BA77 really has some talent in killing threads.

Think that will cause UD to unravel?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2016,20:47   

Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 05 2016,20:12)
Quote (sparc @ Aug. 05 2016,05:00)
From News' thread on Sewell's metamorphosis = resurrection  idea we can conclude that BA77 really has some talent in killing threads.

Think that will cause UD to unravel?

UD is a haven for sewers?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2016,21:12   

not that darned place.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2016,09:09   

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James Clerk Maxwell’s bright line: A molecule of hydrogen, for example, whether in Sirius or in Arcturus, executes its vibrations in precisely the same time.

Local time, yes, but not necessarily from the viewpoint of a particular observer, a phenomenon of which Maxwell was unaware.

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vjtorley: He argued that the matter of the universe must have been created, and that the hydrogen molecules we find in stars must have had a supernatural cause.

Well, it turns out that most of the universe's hydrogen atoms were naturally manufactured in the Recombination Epoch a few hundred thousand years after the Big Bang.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2016,13:20   

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Folks, Lawfare is an actual act of war; especially when the proper use of the sword of justice is perverted in favour of agendas — whether to persecute the innocent or to frustrate the course of justice in defending the civil peace from enemies foreign and domestic. Those who play with big matches like that should beware the out- of- control conflagrations they may trigger across our civilisation. And if you think you can ride a firestorm to utopia, you are a 10 ga, full scriptural sense fool. No ifs, ands or buts. KF


  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2016,15:20   

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site:www.uncommondescent.com colour of law

About 479 results (0.76 seconds)

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 11 2016,11:26   

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A few weeks ago my family and I were sitting in my living room talking one day when my adult granddaughter (mother of my great-granddaughter), who was either agnostic or an atheist, out of the blue asked me why I believed in god. I presented evidence and argument concerning cosmological fine-tuning, bio-semiotics and cellular nano-technology, and also first-cause and moral arguments. She was really interested, but didn’t say much at the time. Some time later my daughter informed me that she overheard my granddaughter telling her boyfriend that since that talk she now totally believes in god because of the information and argument I was able to provide due to many years of participation here.


William shares the stupid

Isn't that wonderful?  Ignorance is being spread by UD, first by convincing the dimwitted William, then as he shares UD's idiocy with others.

A Hallmark moment.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 11 2016,15:36   

And that grand-daughter was Albert Einstein.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 11 2016,18:38   

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And that grand-daughter was Albert Einstein.

my thoughts exactly.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 11 2016,20:42   

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And that grand-daughter was Albert Einstein.

(sigh) Where can I buy a tea-repellent monitor?

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