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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2016,19:01   

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I'm relatively sure that before developing the language skills needed to ask their parents anything infants can on their own figure out that the sun and moon are far away objects that only seem to follow them around like a puppy does.


No, most just ask Mommy or Daddy.  Many don't even have puppies . . . . . ;)

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From my recollection the reasoning that leads to that conclusion was gained from things like being in a moving car watching a distant train and telephone poles moving in relation to each other. Sorting out the visual information was very challenging, but by then I had most of it figured out. What I was seeing was like the sun and moon, which are examples of the same thing just further away.


Why didn't you just ask your Mom or Dad?  You'd have been better off. . . . . .

Whatta hoot!!!!!!!!!! :)  :)  :)

Gary didn't need to do anything as pedestrian as ask his parents.  He was already ahead of Galileo before he had the language skills to ask about the Sun and moon.  He was predicting the Cambrian explosion before he was out of diapers.  At 17.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2016,18:38   

Whoa!  I, myself, wasn't out of diapers at 17.  You can ask my mommy and daddy.  ;)  :)  :)  

Oh, wait, you mean years, not months . . . .

(Does his best Emily LaTella voice)  NEVER MIND.

:)  :)  :)  

OK, fellas, at least you know I'm joking . . . .

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2016,13:58   

Hi Folks, just back off holiday to the news that Gaulin's fantasy girl, Kathy Martin, is back! She is running for a seat in the Kansas legislature.

Kathy Martin

First the Big Barn Encounter then this. Gaulin's fantasies are all coming true!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2016,17:57   

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Hi Folks, just back off holiday to the news that Gaulin's fantasy girl, Kathy Martin, is back! She is running for a seat in the Kansas legislature.

Kathy Martin

First the Big Barn Encounter then this. Gaulin's fantasies are all coming true!

Next up, the Royal Society is going to give him an all-expenses-paid ticket to share his ideas at the autumn's London meeting, where he'll get a standing ovation in delayed recognition of his insights.  Or not.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2016,06:53   

Stop playing with my head.

I have been busy with tracksite related work as well as the paper that I ended up with more time to finish, and will soon have to get back to work on.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2016,07:08   

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I have been busy with tracksite related work as well as the paper that I ended up with more time to finish, and will soon have to get back to work on.


So busy doing nothing, then.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2016,08:02   

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I have been busy with tracksite related work as well as the paper that I ended up with more time to finish, and will soon have to get back to work on.


So busy doing nothing, then.

Aside from basic metabolism, it's really the only thing he's good at.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2016,12:24   

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I have been busy with tracksite related work as well as the paper that I ended up with more time to finish, and will soon have to get back to work on.


So busy doing nothing, then.

Aside from basic metabolism, it's really the only thing he's good at.

Wot? Stealing oxygen.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2016,09:31   

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Wot? Stealing oxygen.


No, more like oxygen starvation.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2016,16:56   

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Wot? Stealing oxygen.

Nah, that's atomic and unproven.

:p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2016,17:52   

In case you're wondering where Gary went, he's got a job as a speechwriter:
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Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you're a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2016,18:22   

It's amazing to see a stream of consciousness output with no consciousness behind it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2016,18:44   

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It's amazing to see a stream of consciousness output with no consciousness behind it.

Wow.  That makes Palin look erudite.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2016,23:12   

Gary knows words, he has the best words.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2016,08:19   

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In case you're wondering where Gary went, he's got a job as a speechwriter:


Just when I was coming to the assumption that his keyboard had run out of punctuation marks.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2016,11:40   

Yeah but, they are both as humble as each other.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2016,20:24   

The flood geology work is going so well that we may in time be tracing out the sine-wave shaped fin marks of shallow water fish trying to outrun the early dinosaurs chasing them. Newly discovered specimens are to be added to the Springfield Science Museum collection.

Patrick Getty is very excited. When he was younger: at another site for the same water body (but contains deep water sediment) he found a well defined fossil of the fish the dinosaurs were most likely chasing. I recall him mentioning that he was looking for fish remains in the dark carbon rich material found elsewhere and his having found something. But this is the first time I saw what it is and how that fits into what is found at the tracksite, where we now see behavior from when they were alive.

Along with the insect trails and other behavioral evidence over the years found at the tracksite this is a major scientific breakthrough. It's one paper at a time being explained to the paleontology related sciences. There are now years worth of new papers to come.

I ended up in a frantic rush to prepare for last Sunday's tracksite work. More work is scheduled. I do though have a couple of weeks to prepare for our next outdoor adventure, here.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2016,15:57   

Oh No!

Gaulin's crush, Kathy Martin, was defeated in her attempt to win a seat in the legislature.

Sensuous Curmudgeon

Oh well, at least he is keeping busy doing nothing.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2016,16:32   

Just came to report the same thing, but you beat me to it.
https://ballotpedia.org/Kathy_M....Kansas)
Perhaps there is a god!
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2016,16:34   

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The flood geology work is going so well that we may in time be tracing out the sine-wave shaped fin marks of shallow water fish trying to outrun the early dinosaurs chasing them.

That's not "flood geology".

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2016,17:27   

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The flood geology work is going so well that we may in time be tracing out the sine-wave shaped fin marks of shallow water fish trying to outrun the early dinosaurs chasing them.

That's not "flood geology".

What makes you such an expert in Flood Geology Theory?

www.icr.org/article/geology-flood/

A scientific theory is a testable explanation for how something works or happened. In this case what must be explained are flooding events that are found in the geological record, or not. And where I live we have evidence of floods galore, therefore that is our local "flood geology" and all theory derived from it must be included in what goes by the name of "Flood Geology Theory" or else there are very serious honesty issues with those who cannot accept geological flood evidence in a scientific theory for explaining the geological flood evidence.

Now get in the pit and try to love someone!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2016,19:52   

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And where I live we have evidence of floods galore, therefore that is our local "flood geology" and all theory derived from it must be included in what goes by the name of "Flood Geology Theory" or else there are very serious honesty issues with those who cannot accept geological flood evidence in a scientific theory for explaining the geological flood evidence.



  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2016,20:39   

Woodbine's stuffy little head needs another heavy duty decongestant!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2016,23:29   

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The flood geology work is going so well that we may in time be tracing out the sine-wave shaped fin marks of shallow water fish trying to outrun the early dinosaurs chasing them.

That's not "flood geology".

What makes you such an expert in Flood Geology Theory?

www.icr.org/article/geology-flood/

A scientific theory is a testable explanation for how something works or happened. In this case what must be explained are flooding events that are found in the geological record, or not. And where I live we have evidence of floods galore, therefore that is our local "flood geology" and all theory derived from it must be included in what goes by the name of "Flood Geology Theory" or else there are very serious honesty issues with those who cannot accept geological flood evidence in a scientific theory for explaining the geological flood evidence.

Because unlike you, I know what it means and what it does and doesn't apply to, and it doesn't apply to a deposit where dinosaurs are chasing fish.

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And where I live we have evidence of floods galore, therefore that is our local "flood geology" and all theory derived from it must be included in what goes by the name of "Flood Geology Theory" or else there are very serious honesty issues with those who cannot accept geological flood evidence in a scientific theory for explaining the geological flood evidence.
"The Flood", of "Flood geology" is not "floods".  Evidence for regular and local floods during the geological past contradicts claims made by creationist flood geologists.  Your conflating the two makes you dishonest.

You know what is truly weird here? - the creationist trash you cited actually disagrees with you here and agrees with me:
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The entire Biblical account of the Flood is absurd if read in a local-flood context. ...... According to the account, the ark floated freely over all the high mountains and finally came to rest, five months later, on the mountains of Ararat. The highest of these mountains today is 17,000 feet in elevation, and a flood which could cover such a mountain six months or more was no local flood!  Furthermore, God’s promise never to send such a flood again, sealed with the continuing testimony of the rainbow, has been broken again and again if the Flood was only a local flood.   ........ The tranquil-flood theory is even more ridiculous. ...... Anyone with the slightest understanding of the hydraulics of moving water and the hydrodynamic forces associated with it would know that a world-wide "tranquil" flood is about as reasonable a concept as a tranquil explosion!


"Must be included" is a false claim, and the second half of your argument is a non sequitur.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2016,00:11   

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The flood geology work is going so well...


Next to be included in Gaulin's not-a-theory: Noah the founder of cognitive science.

I can't wait to read it!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2016,06:37   

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Because unlike you, I know what it means and what it does and doesn't apply to, and it doesn't apply to a deposit where dinosaurs are chasing fish.


According to the Bible: Jesus was a fisherman. Throughout time many many other humans fished. So to find out who or what did all the fishing in the aftermath of one or more epic flood events (that makes fish easy to catch) requires going where the best fishing was at, at the time. And in this case the flooding was caused by the land being ripped apart, which led to giant floodplain lakes then the formation of the Atlantic Ocean, not some little puddle.

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"The Flood", of "Flood geology" is not "floods".


A scientific theory for explaining the geological evidence for an epic flood must begin by properly documenting the flood formed geology. That is the only way to know whether there is truly only one flood event that can be witnessed by the geological evidence, or many. Scientifically speaking: our "flood geology" related progress is way ahead of others.

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Evidence for regular and local floods during the geological past contradicts claims made by creationist flood geologists.


"Creationists" are not claiming that regular and local floods did not happen in the past. The contradiction is only from those who suggest that there is just one flood event to be found in the existing geological evidence.

A scientific theory does not necessarily have to be thrown out, it only has to be made coherent. That requires not forming conclusions the evidence cannot support, and taking it one step/flood at a time. It should then more obvious why fossils are often found at high altitudes. In fact in my location the oldest trace fossils are where I live, on a mountain range. The youngest traces are found in the valley below. It's simply the result of geological uplift bringing deeply buried sediment to the surface. The higher elevations then have the oldest material on or around them.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2016,07:35   

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Because unlike you, I know what it means and what it does and doesn't apply to, and it doesn't apply to a deposit where dinosaurs are chasing fish.


According to the Bible: Jesus was a fisherman. Throughout time many many other humans fished. So to find out who or what did all the fishing in the aftermath of one or more epic flood events (that makes fish easy to catch) requires going where the best fishing was at, at the time. And in this case the flooding was caused by the land being ripped apart, which led to giant floodplain lakes then the formation of the Atlantic Ocean, not some little puddle.

 
Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 03 2016,23:29)
"The Flood", of "Flood geology" is not "floods".


A scientific theory for explaining the geological evidence for an epic flood must begin by properly documenting the flood formed geology. That is the only way to know whether there is truly only one flood event that can be witnessed by the geological evidence, or many. Scientifically speaking: our "flood geology" related progress is way ahead of others.

 
Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 03 2016,23:29)
Evidence for regular and local floods during the geological past contradicts claims made by creationist flood geologists.


"Creationists" are not claiming that regular and local floods did not happen in the past. The contradiction is only from those who suggest that there is just one flood event to be found in the existing geological evidence.

A scientific theory does not necessarily have to be thrown out, it only has to be made coherent. That requires not forming conclusions the evidence cannot support, and taking it one step/flood at a time. It should then more obvious why fossils are often found at high altitudes. In fact in my location the oldest trace fossils are where I live, on a mountain range. The youngest traces are found in the valley below. It's simply the result of geological uplift bringing deeply buried sediment to the surface. The higher elevations then have the oldest material on or around them.

You yourself use the phrase 'the flood', which presupposes that there is only one.

Coherence is not the only test that a scientific theory must pass.  I'm sure you focus on that because it's the first of the hurdles that yours falls flat on.
But coherent does not suffice.  To assert that a 'scientific theory' does not necessarily need to be thrown out, it 'just' needs to be made coherent is ludicrous.  Insane and ignorant.  Down to your usual standards.

Give it up.  You have literally nothing to contribute but access to a site you accidentally control access to and carbon dioxide.  We currently seem to be generating an excess of carbon dioxide, so sell the site and you can become a totally useless waste of space, instead of a merely common-place waste of space.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2016,08:55   

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Because unlike you, I know what it means and what it does and doesn't apply to, and it doesn't apply to a deposit where dinosaurs are chasing fish.


According to the Bible: Jesus was a fisherman. Throughout time many many other humans fished. So to find out who or what did all the fishing in the aftermath of one or more epic flood events (that makes fish easy to catch) requires going where the best fishing was at, at the time. And in this case the flooding was caused by the land being ripped apart, which led to giant floodplain lakes then the formation of the Atlantic Ocean, not some little puddle.

   
Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 03 2016,23:29)
"The Flood", of "Flood geology" is not "floods".


A scientific theory for explaining the geological evidence for an epic flood must begin by properly documenting the flood formed geology. That is the only way to know whether there is truly only one flood event that can be witnessed by the geological evidence, or many. Scientifically speaking: our "flood geology" related progress is way ahead of others.

   
Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 03 2016,23:29)
Evidence for regular and local floods during the geological past contradicts claims made by creationist flood geologists.


"Creationists" are not claiming that regular and local floods did not happen in the past. The contradiction is only from those who suggest that there is just one flood event to be found in the existing geological evidence.

A scientific theory does not necessarily have to be thrown out, it only has to be made coherent. That requires not forming conclusions the evidence cannot support, and taking it one step/flood at a time. It should then more obvious why fossils are often found at high altitudes. In fact in my location the oldest trace fossils are where I live, on a mountain range. The youngest traces are found in the valley below. It's simply the result of geological uplift bringing deeply buried sediment to the surface. The higher elevations then have the oldest material on or around them.

You are apparently trying to do for "Flood Geology" what you want to do for "Intelligent Design", which is to say to create a bible-friendly version that is compatable with science.  Unfortunately for you, a) this isn't possible, b) science done with an agenda is always bad science, and c) your logic falls apart on close inspection.

As an example, you just said, "'Creationists' are not claiming that regular and local floods did not happen in the past."  Well, yes they are, for the time frame represented by deposits that they think were deposited during Noah's Flood.  Read Henry Morris's tripe that you cited: he contradicts you specifically on this point, as I cited earlier. Creationists can't decide precisely which portion of the stratigraphic column resulted from the Flood, but they pretty much always assign at least Cambrian through well past the Cretaceous strata as Flood deposits.  For those to be deposited during one global flood, with "hydraulic sorting" of the fossils and all that other nonsense, you cannot have such things as dinosaur footprints and dinosaur nests representing dinosaurs walking around and doing normal dinosaurian stuff while they were supposed to be drowned corpses getting rapidly buried under thousands of meters of sediment settling at the bottom of thousands of meters of water.  Fish cannot be swimming around normally in a global flood that contains all the earth's salt water plus all the earth's fresh water, together with a suspended sediment concentration between 50% and 500% of the flood water volume.

(Note that "Flood Geology" is specifically a creationist term with no meaning in regularly geology: it is not that geologists deny floods - look up jokulhlaup - but floods and their deposits fall into the fields of Geomorphology, Hydrology, and Sedimentology.)

Also, rift valley lakes are caused by rifting: floodplain lakes are formed on floodplains next to rivers.  You can have a river with floodplain lakes within a rift valley, but these are always small relative to all but a very few of the very youngest and/or most saline lakes formed by rifting.

Shorter version: you are being very foolish here.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2016,20:34   

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You are apparently trying to do for "Flood Geology" what you want to do for "Intelligent Design", which is to say to create a bible-friendly version that is compatable with science.  Unfortunately for you, a) this isn't possible, b) science done with an agenda is always bad science, and c) your logic falls apart on close inspection.


I am rightly expecting the same level of scientific integrity from all sides in the debate(s).

Theories need to be tentative, therefore "flood geology theory" is tentative too. And what it says is not up to you to decide. That is for flood geology theorists to work on.

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As an example, you just said, "'Creationists' are not claiming that regular and local floods did not happen in the past."  Well, yes they are,


No they are not. The claim in question pertains to a GLOBAL flood, not LOCAL ones.

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for the time frame represented by deposits that they think were deposited during Noah's Flood.  Read Henry Morris's tripe that you cited: he contradicts you specifically on this point, as I cited earlier. Creationists can't decide precisely which portion of the stratigraphic column resulted from the Flood, but they pretty much always assign at least Cambrian through well past the Cretaceous strata as Flood deposits.  For those to be deposited during one global flood, with "hydraulic sorting" of the fossils and all that other nonsense, you cannot have such things as dinosaur footprints and dinosaur nests representing dinosaurs walking around and doing normal dinosaurian stuff while they were supposed to be drowned corpses getting rapidly buried under thousands of meters of sediment settling at the bottom of thousands of meters of water.  Fish cannot be swimming around normally in a global flood that contains all the earth's salt water plus all the earth's fresh water, together with a suspended sediment concentration between 50% and 500% of the flood water volume.

(Note that "Flood Geology" is specifically a creationist term with no meaning in regularly geology: it is not that geologists deny floods - look up jokulhlaup - but floods and their deposits fall into the fields of Geomorphology, Hydrology, and Sedimentology.)


Theories are tentative. And Henry Morris is just one of many flood geology theorists, anyway.

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Also, rift valley lakes are caused by rifting: floodplain lakes are formed on floodplains next to rivers.  You can have a river with floodplain lakes within a rift valley, but these are always small relative to all but a very few of the very youngest and/or most saline lakes formed by rifting.


A "rift valley lake" does seem to be more precise. I'll first though have to make sure that Patrick agrees that it is the most precise phrase to use.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2016,20:55   

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You are apparently trying to do for "Flood Geology" what you want to do for "Intelligent Design", which is to say to create a bible-friendly version that is compatable with science.  Unfortunately for you, a) this isn't possible, b) science done with an agenda is always bad science, and c) your logic falls apart on close inspection.


I am rightly expecting the same level of scientific integrity from all sides in the debate(s).

Theories need to be tentative, therefore "flood geology theory" is tentative too. And what it says is not up to you to decide. That is for flood geology theorists to work on.

   
Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 04 2016,08:55)
As an example, you just said, "'Creationists' are not claiming that regular and local floods did not happen in the past."  Well, yes they are,


No they are not. The claim in question pertains to a GLOBAL flood, not LOCAL ones.

   
Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 04 2016,08:55)
for the time frame represented by deposits that they think were deposited during Noah's Flood.  Read Henry Morris's tripe that you cited: he contradicts you specifically on this point, as I cited earlier. Creationists can't decide precisely which portion of the stratigraphic column resulted from the Flood, but they pretty much always assign at least Cambrian through well past the Cretaceous strata as Flood deposits.  For those to be deposited during one global flood, with "hydraulic sorting" of the fossils and all that other nonsense, you cannot have such things as dinosaur footprints and dinosaur nests representing dinosaurs walking around and doing normal dinosaurian stuff while they were supposed to be drowned corpses getting rapidly buried under thousands of meters of sediment settling at the bottom of thousands of meters of water.  Fish cannot be swimming around normally in a global flood that contains all the earth's salt water plus all the earth's fresh water, together with a suspended sediment concentration between 50% and 500% of the flood water volume.

(Note that "Flood Geology" is specifically a creationist term with no meaning in regularly geology: it is not that geologists deny floods - look up jokulhlaup - but floods and their deposits fall into the fields of Geomorphology, Hydrology, and Sedimentology.)


Theories are tentative. And Henry Morris is just one of many flood geology theorists, anyway.

 
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Also, rift valley lakes are caused by rifting: floodplain lakes are formed on floodplains next to rivers.  You can have a river with floodplain lakes within a rift valley, but these are always small relative to all but a very few of the very youngest and/or most saline lakes formed by rifting.


A "rift valley lake" does seem to be more precise. I'll first though have to make sure that Patrick agrees that it is the most precise phrase to use.

Again, "Flood geology" is a term coined by creationists who insist that most or all of the Phanerozoic geological column was deposited by Noah's worldwide flood.  On the basis of their religious beliefs, they view this as a fundamental point, so to speak, that is not up for debate.  You can not have freshwater lakes and rivers in the middle of a worldwide flood.  If you have local lakes and rivers in the geological record, then you don't have a Noachian flood and the "Flood Geology" creationists are wrong.

You really need to start doing a better job of thinking through your claims.

  
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