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Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2016,09:25    If only they were so honest about all of their sources:   Quote The following extract is from a Catholic mystic of no repute. Allegedly, John Morgan’s guardian angel Seraph said: mw says Ha, atheistic Darwinists, here's what someone of no repute said.  Standard UD "argument." Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2016,09:58    How many guardian angels is a needless point? -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2016,10:18    Quote (k.e.. @ July 09 2016,09:58) How many guardian angels is a needless point? 42? -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2016,17:49    Quote 2 sean samisJuly 9, 2016 at 4:07 pm I read things like this and wonder if this is willful stupidity. If the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation breaks down, no GLOBAL cooling is expected. At most there will be reduced heat flow into the far North Atlantic and relative cooling of the European north west. But the heat that would no longer flow to Europe will just go somewhere else. GLOBAL temps will not be reduced because the warm water that would have gone to the north will remain in the middle Atlantic which will become even warmer. And to be clear, climate change denialism has never been prosecuted; it is not a crime. Fraudulent statements to fossil fuel investors and to investors in related industries are being investigated; those would be crimes. sean s. it might not be willful, sean.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2016,17:51    Quote 158 sean samisJuly 9, 2016 at 3:49 pm bornagain77, KF, Mung, mw, Origenes, Silver Asiatic, StephenB and any others I might have missed; I thank you all for your comments here. Whenever I get someone saying that creationism/ID is not actually religious, I refer them to your comments and those like yours. Your comments make the case for me: Creationism in all its forms is religion. It does not belong in any science curricula except as an example of what science is NOT. Sincerely; thank you. sean s. lol

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2016,17:53    BatShit is posting garbage about quantum physics and the shroud of turin and whatnot again. I wonder how many UD supporters are irritated at his clueless babbling?

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2016,18:24    Quote (stevestory @ July 09 2016,17:53) BatShit is posting garbage about quantum physics and the shroud of turin and whatnot again. I wonder how many UD supporters are irritated at his clueless babbling? The ones with the banhammer don't seem to object. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2016,18:34    Quote (Texas Teach @ July 09 2016,18:24) Quote (stevestory @ July 09 2016,17:53) BatShit is posting garbage about quantum physics and the shroud of turin and whatnot again. I wonder how many UD supporters are irritated at his clueless babbling? The ones with the banhammer don't seem to object. Actually, the last three times I was banned it was shortly after batshitcrazy posted a comment asking Barry to ban me.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2016,18:42    good points. They probly all love him.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2016,04:11    Quote (Texas Teach @ July 09 2016,18:24)     Quote (stevestory @ July 09 2016,17:53) BatShit is posting garbage about quantum physics and the shroud of turin and whatnot again. I wonder how many UD supporters are irritated at his clueless babbling? The ones with the banhammer don't seem to object. You see occasional messages from some of the lower ranking Tards thanking him for his posts and the messages seem quite sincere.  Imagine somebody who doesn't know much about any branch of science and can't make nor tail of either side's arguments about any subject.  Then along comes Batshit77 with three long messages full of quote mines showing scientists confessing that evolution is bankrupt, quantum something proves Jesus and 2+2=6 if your heart is pure.  Must look like a golden ray of light in a dark dark world when it's really a stream of bat piss coming down from the rafters. Last winter he disappeared for a while and the comments got noticeably less bad.  Then he reappeared with a slightly different handle and then he went back to bornagain77.  No idea what happened, but the UD honchos seemed to be very solicitous of him.  O'Leary in particular was almost embarassing. Don't know what happened.  Maybe he got banned for a while, maybe he flounced off and then came back, maybe he forgot his password.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2016,13:51    Quote 207 sean samisJuly 10, 2016 at 11:11 am KF; Re #161; Quote … you again insist on misrepresentation, repeating a long since exposed ID = creationism lie . . . and lie it is, not mere misunderstanding, when it has been sustained year after year in the teeth of cogent correction. You disagree, I understand that. But your disagreement does not rise to the level of “cogent correction”. ID is just a modern repackaging of one of the OLDEST forms of creationism: the “watchmaker argument” also referred to as the “teleological argument”. Quote This thread, FYI, is a discussion of philosophical issues, not of design theory. The issues are important and of interest in their own right as can be seen. It is a discussion of some philosophical issues of design theory. Quote What is clear, is that the loading of evolutionary materialistic scientism in too much of modern scientific work, declarations and education, is not being sufficiently addressed. And the underlying ontological issues being specifically addressed in the OP are seriously misunderstood by leading advocates of scientific atheism. Who love to dress up in the lab coat while preaching atheism and demanding a privileged establishment, under cover of such being science… What is clear, is that the attempt to load religious creationism onto the biological sciences and science education must be resisted. And the underlying ontological issues being specifically addressed in the OP are seriously misunderstood by leading advocates of creationism/ID who want to dress up in lab coats while preaching their religion and who demand a privileged religious establishment under pretense of being science. sean s. lol

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2016,06:46    Oh man, Gil has died!   Quote Gil Dodgen, 12/29/50 to 4/24/16 UD link Condolences to all affected. Edited by Ptaylor on July 11 2016,23:54 -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2016,08:58    Quote (Ptaylor @ July 11 2016,12:46) Oh man, Gil has died! Now he gets to meet all those school teachers he slandered during his repeated attempts to bolster his personal salvation story.

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2016,09:41    Quote (Ptaylor @ July 11 2016,06:46) Oh man, Gil has died!   Quote Gil Dodgen, 12/29/50 to 4/24/16 UD link Condolences to all affected. Well that's certainly bad news.  UD didn't pick up on it any too quickly.  Wonder why. Imagine some of your last accomplishments being to promote pseudoscience.  Understandable if you've slipped into your dotage, not so much if you haven't. Condolences for that, too. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

Tony M Nyphot Posts: 491 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2016,09:46    Quote (Woodbine @ July 11 2016,07:58)   Quote (Ptaylor @ July 11 2016,12:46) Oh man, Gil has died! Now he gets to meet all those school teachers he slandered during his repeated attempts to bolster his personal salvation story. Hmmm...are you sure they go to the same place? Too soon for banter? I did hesitate. -------------- "I, OTOH, am an underachiever...I either pee my pants or faint dead away..." FTK "You could always wrap fresh fish in the paper you publish it on, though, and sell that." - Field Man on how to find value in Gary Gaulin's real-science "theory"

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2016,10:28    From "A reader adds" in the Dodgen post: Quote He really was a top quality pianist–although his piano skills, as great as they were, were probably outmatched by his humility. So, um, he actually sucked at piano? Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2016,16:09    At least he got to see the victory of ID over Darwinism.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2016,16:58    I forgot that there's a subdomain of UD, behe.uncommondescent.com

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2016,17:27    Quote (Ptaylor @ July 11 2016,06:46) Oh man, Gil has died!   Quote Gil Dodgen, 12/29/50 to 4/24/16 UD link Condolences to all affected. RIP GIL. He seemed a sensitive, tormented soul. I'll miss him. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Cubist Posts: 558 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2016,17:40    UD only notices Dodgen's death more than two months after the fact? Hm. Curious.

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2016,18:14    Quote (Glen Davidson @ July 11 2016,05:28) From "A reader adds" in the Dodgen post: Quote He really was a top quality pianist–although his piano skills, as great as they were, were probably outmatched by his humility. So, um, he actually sucked at piano? Glen Davidson I'm the same age as Gil Dodgen. I'm wondering if I can book Glen for my eulogy?

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2016,18:25    Quote (Cubist @ July 11 2016,15:40) UD only notices Dodgen's death more than two months after the fact? Hm. Curious. To be fair, I don't think "We must tell Denyse and Gordon" was top concern for the Dodgen family. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2016,18:36    Quote (Alan Fox @ July 11 2016,18:14)   Quote (Glen Davidson @ July 11 2016,05:28) From "A reader adds" in the Dodgen post:     Quote He really was a top quality pianist–although his piano skills, as great as they were, were probably outmatched by his humility. So, um, he actually sucked at piano? Glen Davidson I'm the same age as Gil Dodgen. I'm wondering if I can book Glen for my eulogy? You have some inkling of how non-humble Gil really was, I hope. I mean, it would be one thing to ignore the lofty view he had of himself and of his extreme intelligence (I expect he was bright, but this was hardly visible in his UD postings), praise his coding ability and musical talent, and throw in whatever other praise one might wish.  But to actually say that he was talented musically, yet even more humble than he was musical, is about as wrong as Gil was about evolution.  The most obvious aspect of him visible at UD was the high opinion he had of himself. I guess if you can see design in all of the parasite-host relationships in this world (even if you don't care about suffering and death, what in God's name would be the point?), you can see humility in Gil.  You would certainly be very wrong on both accounts. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2016,20:14    Quote (stevestory @ July 11 2016,14:58) I forgot that there's a subdomain of UD, behe.uncommondescent.com Is that like the downstairs of the outhouse? -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2016,23:03    Quote (fnxtr @ July 11 2016,20:14)   Quote (stevestory @ July 11 2016,14:58) I forgot that there's a subdomain of UD, behe.uncommondescent.com Is that like the downstairs of the outhouse? I wonder if Behe still remembers it's there.  His most recent post was in January, 2012. Comments are closed, of course. Edited by CeilingCat on July 11 2016,23:10

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 12 2016,03:51    Quote (fnxtr @ July 11 2016,20:14)   Quote (stevestory @ July 11 2016,14:58) I forgot that there's a subdomain of UD, behe.uncommondescent.com Is that like the downstairs of the outhouse? Ran out of TP, no entries since 31 January 2012. -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: July 12 2016,08:02    Quote (Quack @ July 12 2016,03:51)   Quote (fnxtr @ July 11 2016,20:14)       Quote (stevestory @ July 11 2016,14:58) I forgot that there's a subdomain of UD, behe.uncommondescent.com Is that like the downstairs of the outhouse? Ran out of TP, no entries since 31 January 2012. He's too busy trying to publish on the "Irreducible Complexity of the Ball Valve" in the plumbing trade press, but he can't get the paper past peer review.

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 12 2016,10:46    Quote (Glen Davidson @ July 11 2016,13:36) Quote (Alan Fox @ July 11 2016,18:14)     Quote (Glen Davidson @ July 11 2016,05:28) From "A reader adds" in the Dodgen post:       Quote He really was a top quality pianist–although his piano skills, as great as they were, were probably outmatched by his humility. So, um, he actually sucked at piano? Glen Davidson I'm the same age as Gil Dodgen. I'm wondering if I can book Glen for my eulogy? You have some inkling of how non-humble Gil really was, I hope. I mean, it would be one thing to ignore the lofty view he had of himself and of his extreme intelligence (I expect he was bright, but this was hardly visible in his UD postings), praise his coding ability and musical talent, and throw in whatever other praise one might wish.  But to actually say that he was talented musically, yet even more humble than he was musical, is about as wrong as Gil was about evolution.  The most obvious aspect of him visible at UD was the high opinion he had of himself. I guess if you can see design in all of the parasite-host relationships in this world (even if you don't care about suffering and death, what in God's name would be the point?), you can see humility in Gil.  You would certainly be very wrong on both accounts. Glen Davidson I don't disagree on the assessment. It just seemed a bit mean to say it out loud when the guy has just died.

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 12 2016,12:13    Quote (Alan Fox @ July 12 2016,10:46)   Quote (Glen Davidson @ July 11 2016,13:36)   Quote (Alan Fox @ July 11 2016,18:14)       Quote (Glen Davidson @ July 11 2016,05:28) From "A reader adds" in the Dodgen post:         Quote He really was a top quality pianist–although his piano skills, as great as they were, were probably outmatched by his humility. So, um, he actually sucked at piano? Glen Davidson I'm the same age as Gil Dodgen. I'm wondering if I can book Glen for my eulogy? You have some inkling of how non-humble Gil really was, I hope. I mean, it would be one thing to ignore the lofty view he had of himself and of his extreme intelligence (I expect he was bright, but this was hardly visible in his UD postings), praise his coding ability and musical talent, and throw in whatever other praise one might wish.  But to actually say that he was talented musically, yet even more humble than he was musical, is about as wrong as Gil was about evolution.  The most obvious aspect of him visible at UD was the high opinion he had of himself. I guess if you can see design in all of the parasite-host relationships in this world (even if you don't care about suffering and death, what in God's name would be the point?), you can see humility in Gil.  You would certainly be very wrong on both accounts. Glen Davidson I don't disagree on the assessment. It just seemed a bit mean to say it out loud when the guy has just died. I wouldn't have, if he hadn't been credited with "humility" in the UD post.  That matter should simply never have been brought up by Dense via her reader. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 12 2016,13:13    I wonder what happened to The Shirt?

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