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deadman_932 Posts: 3094 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2009,12:14    Quote (Louis @ Feb. 14 2009,11:42) You know me, I'm a big softie. I'm giving him a final chance... If he fails, as it looks likely he will do...then we all know what happens. Cheers Louis -------------- AtBC Award for Thoroughness in the Face of Creationism

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2009,12:21    Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 14 2009,18:14) Quote (Louis @ Feb. 14 2009,11:42) You know me, I'm a big softie. I'm giving him a final chance... If he fails, as it looks likely he will do...then we all know what happens. Cheers Louis DAMMIT DEADMAN!!!! Stop exposing my evil side. Louis P.S. Soul? I already own all of those. Cheesy poofs on the other hand.....there's never enough cheesy poofs. -------------- Bye.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2009,12:23    There's some weird reversal going on here, like I'm all "fuck you Refred" and Louis is all, "let me exude yet more patience and solicitude." Doesn't that alarm anyone? -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Doc Bill Posts: 1039 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2009,12:25    Exactly! I hate it when Louis is on drugs. We gotta talk him down.

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2009,12:37    -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2009,12:37    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 14 2009,18:23) There's some weird reversal going on here, like I'm all "fuck you Refred" and Louis is all, "let me exude yet more patience and solicitude." Doesn't that alarm anyone? It's alarming the fuck out of me for starters! I always give people a chance before going for the "fuck you retard" route. I surprised no one noticed.... ;-) Louis -------------- Bye.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2009,12:38    Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 14 2009,18:25) Exactly! I hate it when Louis is on drugs. We gotta talk him down. I'm NOT on drugs. But, apropos of nothing, have you really looked at your hands? I mean REALLY looked at them. Louis -------------- Bye.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2009,13:12    Quote (Louis @ Feb. 14 2009,13:38)   Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 14 2009,18:25) Exactly! I hate it when Louis is on drugs. We gotta talk him down. I'm NOT on drugs. But, apropos of nothing, have you really looked at your hands? I mean REALLY looked at them. Louis I really looked at my hands last Tuesday. I'm working on Heberden's nodes (signifying arthritis) on the last joint of a couple fingers which I worry will get in the way of my piano noodling fun. Plus that little black ink spot on the palm of my left hand, into which I inadvertently jammed the tip of a ball point pen a few years ago, is still visible. It occurred to me that this is my only tattoo. But it was free. But in defiance of all that I'm sitting here noodling my Clavinova into Garage Band while posting here. Which proves that my fingers can still fing. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2009,13:22    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 14 2009,13:23) There's some weird reversal going on here, like I'm all "fuck you Refred" and Louis is all, "let me exude yet more patience and solicitude." Doesn't that alarm anyone? Jesus Christ, it's the End Times!!!!!11!! -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2009,13:40    Its ReFred Madness. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2009,13:41    Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 14 2009,19:22) Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 14 2009,13:23) There's some weird reversal going on here, like I'm all "fuck you Refred" and Louis is all, "let me exude yet more patience and solicitude." Doesn't that alarm anyone? Jesus Christ, it's the End Times!!!!!11!! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - MASS HYSTERIA! Louis -------------- Bye.

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2009,13:50    Quote Heberden's nodes (signifying arthritis) There's name for them? -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

JLT Posts: 740 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2009,14:01    -------------- "Random mutations, if they are truly random, will affect, and potentially damage, any aspect of the organism, [...] Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2009,17:20    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 14 2009,11:27) Quote Then when one of your own scientists who is trained by evolutionary science, and is highly credentialed, turns  and says, "You guys, there's too many problems with this theory and I really think there is some design implications here in this thing I'm studying--then suddenly--he is no longer a scientist.  SO let's take away his funding, his status in the community, and then ridicule him if he is funded by Christians who believe in a designer. Who? oh you know who but if i'm wrong please, do tell. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2009,20:11    Quote (khan @ Feb. 14 2009,14:50) Quote Heberden's nodes (signifying arthritis) There's name for them? They're painful for a time - perhaps six months - then tend to settle down discomfort-wise, although the bumpy nodes represent osteoarthritis damage and are permanent. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2009,20:32    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 14 2009,21:11) Quote (khan @ Feb. 14 2009,14:50) Quote Heberden's nodes (signifying arthritis) There's name for them? They're painful for a time - perhaps six months - then tend to settle down discomfort-wise, although the bumpy nodes represent osteoarthritis damage and are permanent. Another example of incompetent (or sadistic) design? They usually aren't painful. -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

George Posts: 316 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2009,11:48    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 14 2009,10:10) Evolution Weekend: Over 11,000 Christian clergy in the USA say RFJE's dichotomy is false.   Quote 2009 Evolution Weekend This year represents the 200th anniversary of the birth of Charles Darwin (12 February 1809) and the 150th anniversary of the publication of his seminal work On the Origin of Species in 1859. This backdrop provides a rich opportunity to demonstrate that religion and science have much to offer one another. Please join us and congregations all around the world iin celebrating Evolution Weekend 2009! 13 -15 February 2009 -- Evolution Weekend Evolution Weekend is an opportunity for serious discussion and reflection on the relationship between religion and science. One important goal is to elevate the quality of the discussion on this critical topic - to move beyond sound bites. A second critical goal is to demonstrate that religious people from many faiths and locations understand that evolution is sound science and poses no problems for their faith. Finally, as with The Clergy Letter itself, which has now been signed by more than 11,000 members of the Christian clergy in the United States, Evolution Weekend makes it clear that those claiming that people must choose between religion and science are creating a false dichotomy. Through sermons, discussion groups, meaningful conversations and seminars, the leaders listed below will show that religion and science are not adversaries.   RFJE, I would really like you to address Wesley's contribution.  Can you understand it?

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2009,12:57    Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 14 2009,08:26) I know, don't feed the troll.  Satan is making me do this! Hey, Mayberry RFD, you wrote:   Quote Then when one of your own scientists who is trained by evolutionary science, and is highly credentialed, turns  and says, "You guys, there's too many problems with this theory and I really think there is some design implications here in this thing I'm studying--then suddenly--he is no longer a scientist.  SO let's take away his funding, his status in the community, and then ridicule him if he is funded by Christians who believe in a designer. Who are you referring to? No one. I think it's just one a them parables. You know, to show us how very bad it would be if that kind of thing DID happen. So a fantasy scenario proves we're all bad people. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2009,13:29    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 15 2009,13:57) Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 14 2009,08:26) I know, don't feed the troll.  Satan is making me do this! Hey, Mayberry RFD, you wrote:   Quote Then when one of your own scientists who is trained by evolutionary science, and is highly credentialed, turns  and says, "You guys, there's too many problems with this theory and I really think there is some design implications here in this thing I'm studying--then suddenly--he is no longer a scientist.  SO let's take away his funding, his status in the community, and then ridicule him if he is funded by Christians who believe in a designer. Who are you referring to? No one. I think it's just one a them parables. You know, to show us how very bad it would be if that kind of thing DID happen. So a fantasy scenario proves we're all bad people. :angry: I'm telling you, between that and the graph/avatar, I smell and AFDavey Doodles about. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Schroedinger's Dog Posts: 1692 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2009,13:38    Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 15 2009,20:29) Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 15 2009,13:57) Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 14 2009,08:26) I know, don't feed the troll.  Satan is making me do this! Hey, Mayberry RFD, you wrote:     Quote Then when one of your own scientists who is trained by evolutionary science, and is highly credentialed, turns  and says, "You guys, there's too many problems with this theory and I really think there is some design implications here in this thing I'm studying--then suddenly--he is no longer a scientist.  SO let's take away his funding, his status in the community, and then ridicule him if he is funded by Christians who believe in a designer. Who are you referring to? No one. I think it's just one a them parables. You know, to show us how very bad it would be if that kind of thing DID happen. So a fantasy scenario proves we're all bad people. :angry: I'm telling you, between that and the graph/avatar, I smell and AFDavey Doodles about. mmmhhh... I couldn't say. No threats of sending his bitches on our collective asses, no busting about his kung-fu/kendo/drunken boxing habilities... Copycat as copy does (whatever THAT means) :) -------------- "Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G "I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2009,13:44    Start here, but swallow your coffee first. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2009,13:50    And on the following page, this is the missing bit of brilliance from Steve's post. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Schroedinger's Dog Posts: 1692 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2009,13:53    Ok. Lucky for you, I went through that thread before, so the shock was not "projective". But thanks for the tard-drive. It's not as if I am not already suffering on FTK's thread (page 214 so far, and that stuff with Skatje almost made me want to nuke Kansas! Sorry Dave, casualties of war). -------------- "Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G "I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2009,14:46    If RFJE holds to usual religious antievolutionist form, trying to deal with theistic evolution and theistic evolutionists is going to be a huge problem for him. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Schroedinger's Dog Posts: 1692 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2009,14:55    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 15 2009,21:46) If RFJE holds to usual religious antievolutionist form, trying to deal with theistic evolution and theistic evolutionists is going to be a huge problem for him. Agreed 100% Wes, as the "master of this venue", I hope you will forgive me for some of my ascerbic comments towards religion. I do not wish to mock anyone's belief, but I trully think that the average fundie's way of thinking/worshipping is in no way similar to yours (or any other theist scientist on this board). It just blows my mind that smart people can easily reconcile their personal beliefs with mainstream science whereas others just seem stuck 500 years ago (at least). -------------- "Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G "I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2009,15:40    Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Feb. 15 2009,14:55)   Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 15 2009,21:46) If RFJE holds to usual religious antievolutionist form, trying to deal with theistic evolution and theistic evolutionists is going to be a huge problem for him. Agreed 100% Wes, as the "master of this venue", I hope you will forgive me for some of my ascerbic comments towards religion. I do not wish to mock anyone's belief, but I trully think that the average fundie's way of thinking/worshipping is in no way similar to yours (or any other theist scientist on this board). It just blows my mind that smart people can easily reconcile their personal beliefs with mainstream science whereas others just seem stuck 500 years ago (at least). My limited experience suggests it's based on upbringing and identity. Some groups self-identify as (a) different (b) persecuted or threatened in some way or another and ( c) self-evidently in the right. Children born into these groups soak up these assumptions and conflate them with their personal and family identities. To disagree with them on these taboo subjects can provoke the same response as saying that their father is a bad man and their mother is ugly. Others who are not born members might subscribe to those central beliefs out of convenience or agreement, but the point is that they appeal to something that tugs at the heart, not the head. We all have these blind spots and react in that way, whether it concerns countries, football clubs, political parties or religions. When the disagreement is about something that is considered unimportant (say, science education), the strength of the counterargument is irrelevant: it's just wrong. What I find difficult to understand is the acceptance by members of nominally Christian groups of blatant lying and misrepresentation. Perhaps it doesn't count when the person who points it out isn't a True Believer. -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2009,16:16    Quote What I find difficult to understand is the acceptance by members of nominally Christian groups of blatant lying and misrepresentation. Perhaps it doesn't count when the person who points it out isn't a True Believer. Agreed. The religious upbringing I did have did not include lying and slander as values. When quite young I used to wonder how to respond to 'information' presented by avowed Christians. I became disgusted when I found out that most of the time they were lying. -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2009,18:46    Quote (Amadan @ Feb. 15 2009,13:40) To disagree with them on these taboo subjects can provoke the same response as saying that their father is a bad man and their mother is ugly. Wait, I missed something -- when did we start talking about Louis? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

raguel Posts: 107 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2009,19:03    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 15 2009,14:46) If RFJE holds to usual religious antievolutionist form, trying to deal with theistic evolution and theistic evolutionists is going to be a huge problem for him. Am I the only one amused by the fact RFJE never responded to Wes? It's probably a coincidence but I gets mah lulz where I can.

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2009,22:11    Quote (khan @ Feb. 15 2009,16:16) Quote What I find difficult to understand is the acceptance by members of nominally Christian groups of blatant lying and misrepresentation. Perhaps it doesn't count when the person who points it out isn't a True Believer. Agreed. The religious upbringing I did have did not include lying and slander as values. When quite young I used to wonder how to respond to 'information' presented by avowed Christians. I became disgusted when I found out that most of the time they were lying. the baptist church i went to should have been a soap opera.  i just figure they are all like that.  man our piano lady was killer though.  if you ever heard jimmy swaggart play the piano she was that good.  i'm still eat up with that part of it, the temptation to start a snake oil show and tear up northeast alabama on a holy rollin tour is strong with this knight.  anyway the secretary was stealing from the church and the preachers daughter was a secret lesbian although when i look back they sorta kept her hid but if you saw her it wasn't no secret.  wasn't no skynyrd song if you know what i mean.  after i grew up and didn't have to go anymore some of the congregation ran off with each others wives and all that sorta thing it was like they were just there to be scandalous and get forgiven or something.  what a bunch of freaks. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

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