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ChemiCat Posts: 532 Joined: Nov. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2016,06:41    Quote Imagine my total lack of surprise that you are unable and unwilling to address the above. I am also not surprised. I cannot remember any occasion when Gaulin has replied to anything of substance except with a link to some creationist backwater site or a crappy music video. It is the only response he has to the fatal criticisms of his not-a-theory. I would be very surprised, however, if he ever provides any evidence-based science for his ass-ertions though!

N.Wells Posts: 1836 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2016,07:37    An interesting example of processing by an artificial neural network: http://www.vox.com/2016....ncoding

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2016,17:15    Quote (N.Wells @ June 06 2016,07:37) An interesting example of processing by an artificial neural network: http://www.vox.com/2016.......ncoding Yes, interesting. But honestly, recording a movie in a neural network is still storing it in an addressable memory. Best case scenario there would be no loss in video quality and recall all frames, in which case you used neurons to reinvent a digital RAM to store digital movies in. What I would like to program would end up with a distorted by imagination view of what is saw. In that case there would not be a copyright infringement problem. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2016,17:20    Make that "distorted by imagination view of what it saw." I'm rushing around again. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

jeffox Posts: 671 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2016,18:38    Ride My See-Saw was the Moody Blues. Yer still a hoot!

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2016,22:32    Quote (jeffox @ June 06 2016,18:38) Ride My See-Saw was the Moody Blues. Yer still a hoot!  :)  :)  :) In search of the lost chord! The Moody Blues - Ride My See-Saw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....xKyqAeA And speaking of the lost chord, look what I found in the new snail-brain paper I have been studying! A highly simplified cartoon schematic illustrating key principles of the decision-making pathway characterized here. The decision to search is regulated by tonic inhibition, the magnitude of which is inversely correlated with motivational drive. Search has two outcomes depending on target decision: activation of the full behavioural sequence if reward is present or a return to the search decision step if unrewarded. In this way, a motivated animal sustains a high search intensity, maximizing the chance of reward. A two-neuron system for adaptive goal-directed decision-making in Lymnaea www.nature.com/ncomms/2016/160603/ncomms11793/full/ncomms11793.html -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

N.Wells Posts: 1836 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2016,00:45    Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 06 2016,17:15) Quote (N.Wells @ June 06 2016,07:37) An interesting example of processing by an artificial neural network: http://www.vox.com/2016.......ncoding Yes, interesting. But honestly, recording a movie in a neural network is still storing it in an addressable memory. Best case scenario there would be no loss in video quality and recall all frames, in which case you used neurons to reinvent a digital RAM to store digital movies in. What I would like to program would end up with a distorted by imagination view of what is saw. In that case there would not be a copyright infringement problem. I don't think you understood what was accomplished. https://www.academia.edu/2558580...._Frames This work was inspired by other work that reconstructed what a brain was seeing by analysing MRI images of brain activity while viewing a particular image.  This basically replaced an actual brain with an artificial  neural network.  The program is not recording the film: the each frame is reduced to a 200 digit number and then the neural network reconstructs the movie. See also https://medium.com/@Terryb....sjx7swz http://boingboing.net/2016....es.html

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2016,06:57    Quote (N.Wells @ June 07 2016,00:45) This work was inspired by other work that reconstructed what a brain was seeing by analysing MRI images of brain activity while viewing a particular image.  This basically replaced an actual brain with an artificial  neural network. A brain is more than just a visual cortex. I do not believe that it "basically replaced an actual brain". -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2016,09:16    Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 07 2016,06:57) Quote (N.Wells @ June 07 2016,00:45) This work was inspired by other work that reconstructed what a brain was seeing by analysing MRI images of brain activity while viewing a particular image.  This basically replaced an actual brain with an artificial  neural network. A brain is more than just a visual cortex. I do not believe that it "basically replaced an actual brain". But he believes his video game predicted the Cambrian explosion. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

ChemiCat Posts: 532 Joined: Nov. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2016,09:52    N.Wells said; Quote I don't think you understood... Did he ever understand anything? I've added Gaulin to the Gaulin to English dictionary as "to Gaulin(verb)=to misunderstand, particularly about anything scientific.

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2016,04:29    Quote (N.Wells @ June 07 2016,00:45) I don't think you understood what was accomplished. https://www.academia.edu/2558580...._Frames And after I clicked the download button the link you provided caused a security warning that read: Quote academia.edu would like to: Know who you are on Google View your email address View your basic profile info View your contacts With the link attempting to automatically download contact lists and other personal information the evidence I now have indicates that what was accomplished is just another academia enabled internet scam, for all to beware of. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

NoName Posts: 2729 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2016,07:37    Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 08 2016,05:29) Quote (N.Wells @ June 07 2016,00:45) I don't think you understood what was accomplished. https://www.academia.edu/2558580...._Frames And after I clicked the download button the link you provided caused a security warning that read:   Quote academia.edu would like to: Know who you are on Google View your email address View your basic profile info View your contacts With the link attempting to automatically download contact lists and other personal information the evidence I now have indicates that what was accomplished is just another academia enabled internet scam, for all to beware of. Right -- it's all hidden and scurrilous and it takes really really smart people to catch on.  You're clearly way ahead of the academics and publishers who were trying to put one over on you. God you're whiny, even for a drama queen attention whore. It's like the candy coating over your stupidity and irremediable ignorance.

Jim_Wynne Posts: 1208 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2016,08:59    Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 08 2016,04:29) Quote (N.Wells @ June 07 2016,00:45) I don't think you understood what was accomplished. https://www.academia.edu/2558580...._Frames And after I clicked the download button the link you provided caused a security warning that read:   Quote academia.edu would like to: Know who you are on Google View your email address View your basic profile info View your contacts With the link attempting to automatically download contact lists and other personal information the evidence I now have indicates that what was accomplished is just another academia enabled internet scam, for all to beware of. You can read the paper online without having to download it. Perhaps I should have said that you can have someone read the paper to you. -------------- Evolution is not about laws but about randomness on happanchance.--Robert Byers, at PT

jeffox Posts: 671 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2016,18:39    Quote Did he ever understand anything? I've added Gaulin to the Gaulin to English dictionary as "to Gaulin(verb)=to misunderstand, particularly about anything scientific. He always Goo Goos it up, that's what I say.         Whatta hoot!

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2016,03:43    Quote (Jim_Wynne @ June 08 2016,08:59)   Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 08 2016,04:29)   Quote (N.Wells @ June 07 2016,00:45) I don't think you understood what was accomplished. https://www.academia.edu/2558580...._Frames And after I clicked the download button the link you provided caused a security warning that read:     Quote academia.edu would like to: Know who you are on Google View your email address View your basic profile info View your contacts With the link attempting to automatically download contact lists and other personal information the evidence I now have indicates that what was accomplished is just another academia enabled internet scam, for all to beware of. You can read the paper online without having to download it. Perhaps I should have said that you can have someone read the paper to you. It would have been a lot easier for the PDF to have downloaded as expected, instead of right away causing a security issue I thought I should I would warn about. I had some free time to venture past the link that I stop at, before last morning having to run off to work. The link at the very bottom (below the PDF button) worked without incident. I can now say that in that case it at least worked for me. For a dissertation on a deep learning technique it gets an A+ worth seeing. The problem is in assuming that how the human brain works has been all figured out by that alone. It's then like all other work can stop. This a case where it's like the transparent wood paper that is in a way well done just the same the science media ended up expecting car windshields and giant windows that see as clear as day, even though the title has a word that indicates it has good close range directionality but at a distance is like tracing or wax paper. It's valuable for what it is and at KurzweilAI I had to mention that I thought the small grant to a good number of names in the Young PhD Scientist program was well spent just the same. I'm sure they don't even want to be expected to soon have it is car windshields. The problem is the unrealistic expectations from science media going crazy with sensationalism. What is explained might work well for the upstream processing of sensory related signals but a real brain has this to as simply as possible account for, which has a video showing a real rat in a shock zone arena to compare resulting behavior with:   Dynamic Grouping of Hippocampal Neural Activity During Cognitive Control of Two Spatial Frames Kelemen E, Fenton AA (2010) Dynamic Grouping of Hippocampal Neural Activity During Cognitive Control of Two Spatial Frames. PLoS Biol 8(6): e1000403. doi: 10.1371/journal.pbio.1000403 journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1000403 I did not start from deep learning AI, my science mission has been to figure out what that neuroscience paper is hinting at going on in a spatially connected network of places as described. The best thing for me to have is 6 bits to and from its six neighbors plus 2 control bits of on/off behavior at each place, in navigational network. It is at the same time best for someone on a mission with a deep learning approach to write a dissertation like that one. This looks to me like a great way to add what I left out due to that already being worked on by others. In that case it's typical for the model to be watching a movie or something, not with as few bits as possible per place in map/network make it able to dodge an invisible shock zone. The deep learning model is still impressive demonstration of something that complements the model and theory I have. For that reason my first reaction was to say that it was interesting. Exactly why though needed more detail. The two models start from the total opposite ends of the wiring problem. I'm starting from the brain stem up, not the other side of the stream that expects an address to sum up what being sensed from movies and such. They are not expected to be the same. Where the science is working out on both sides they are expected to complement each other, this well. It's then having two lines of evidence, instead of only one. With so many already working the input side of the information flow it is best I develop from the other. As long as a PDF is not requested the link was a great source of information. The link problem is beyond the control of the author(s) who would likely rather that not happening either. It's just as well that I mention it not being right to like feed upon academic users in a spam like way. But all else looks good, by me. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

Jim_Wynne Posts: 1208 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2016,10:58    Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 09 2016,03:43) This a case where it's like the transparent wood paper that is in a way well done just the same the science media ended up expecting car windshields and giant windows that see as clear as day, even though the title has a word that indicates it has good close range directionality but at a distance is like tracing or wax paper. GG's English composition skills seem to be headed in the wrong direction. -------------- Evolution is not about laws but about randomness on happanchance.--Robert Byers, at PT

ChemiCat Posts: 532 Joined: Nov. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2016,11:46    Quote The two models start from the total opposite ends of the wiring problem. I'm starting from the brain stem up, not the other side of the stream that expects an address to sum up what being sensed from movies and such. They are not expected to be the same. Where the science is working out on both sides they are expected to complement each other, this well. It's then having two lines of evidence, instead of only one. With so many already working the input side of the information flow it is best I develop from the other. Quote GG's English composition skills seem to be headed in the wrong direction. I think it is certainly going nowhere near the English language. I hope that in his capacity as a printer of sorts he doesn't have to proof-read.

jeffox Posts: 671 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2016,16:23    I hear you guys . . . . Then there's this: Quote It would have been a lot easier for the PDF to have downloaded as expected, instead of right away causing a security issue I thought I should I would warn about. Woof . . . . What an incomprehensible hoot!

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2016,14:24    Quote (jeffox @ June 09 2016,16:23) I hear you guys . . . . Then there's this:     Quote It would have been a lot easier for the PDF to have downloaded as expected, instead of right away causing a security issue I thought I should I would warn about. Woof . . . . What an incomprehensible hoot!  :)  :)  :) OK that sentence has a serious issue. But it was like 4 AM on a sleepless night after another where I slept a good ten hours and ended up having excess energy to expend. The excitement was in part caused by my several days ago having received the review for the paper that had me on YouTube studying APA format papers and citation database using OpenOffice. I also searched for and think I found a much better way to begin explaining everything that starts with the basics of how muscle and other cells of our body wire up two way communication between themselves and the "brain" circuit that controls them, such that they all help train each other how to do the right thing at the right time. With my now waiting back for word from review on the first 5 pages I thought I should mention the latest challenge. It will help keep me busy till July 7 or so. Just in time for the Holyoke fireworks being launched from just houses away! Katy Perry - Firework www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGJuMBdaqIw Lyrics and Fireworks www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BtI43kqkOI -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

NoName Posts: 2729 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2016,15:15    Excuses, excuses. We've seen your "normal" syntax and grammar, believe me, you always write this way.  It's like your mother was frightened by a Strunk and White and some of the French semiotics researchers while she was carrying you.

Jim_Wynne Posts: 1208 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2016,10:21    Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 11 2016,14:24) Quote (jeffox @ June 09 2016,16:23) I hear you guys . . . . Then there's this:       Quote It would have been a lot easier for the PDF to have downloaded as expected, instead of right away causing a security issue I thought I should I would warn about. Woof . . . . What an incomprehensible hoot!  :)  :)  :) OK that sentence has a serious issue. But it was like 4 AM on a sleepless night after another where I slept a good ten hours and ended up having excess energy to expend. The excitement was in part caused by my several days ago having received the review for the paper that had me on YouTube studying APA format papers and citation database using OpenOffice. I also searched for and think I found a much better way to begin explaining everything that starts with the basics of how muscle and other cells of our body wire up two way communication between themselves and the "brain" circuit that controls them, such that they all help train each other how to do the right thing at the right time. With my now waiting back for word from review on the first 5 pages I thought I should mention the latest challenge. It will help keep me busy till July 7 or so. Just in time for the Holyoke fireworks being launched from just houses away! Katy Perry - Firework www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGJuMBdaqIw Lyrics and Fireworks www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BtI43kqkOI Wow, a double treat.  We get both a lame excuse and a music video!  Gary, if sleep deprivation is the root of your terrible writing, we can only assume that you've gotten no sleep at all for the past five years or so. -------------- Evolution is not about laws but about randomness on happanchance.--Robert Byers, at PT

jeffox Posts: 671 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2016,18:42    Quote With my now waiting back for word from review on the first 5 pages I thought I should mention the latest challenge. What's a 'now waiting back'? Still hooting after all these years!

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2016,06:47    Quote (jeffox @ June 13 2016,18:42) Quote With my now waiting back for word from review on the first 5 pages I thought I should mention the latest challenge. What's a 'now waiting back'? Still hooting after all these years!   :)  :)  :) Where I live the phrase "waiting back" is a shortened way of saying "waiting to hear back". -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

NoName Posts: 2729 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2016,06:48    Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 14 2016,07:47) Quote (jeffox @ June 13 2016,18:42) Quote With my now waiting back for word from review on the first 5 pages I thought I should mention the latest challenge. What's a 'now waiting back'? Still hooting after all these years!   :)  :)  :) Where I live the phrase "waiting back" is a shortened way of saying "waiting to hear back". Write for your audience, Gary, not for your own comfort. Although I admit the thought that you find the way you write to be, in any fashion, 'comfortable' is quite horrifying. Explains a lot, really.  Unlike your viciously circular "theory".

N.Wells Posts: 1836 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2016,08:18    Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 14 2016,06:47) Where I live the phrase "waiting back" is a shortened way of saying "waiting to hear back". So, do you have weather on your planet? "Dumber than boiled gravel" is a regionalism (possibly a remarkably appropriate one here) that shows up on the internet: "waiting back" doesn't (other than "wait back at the house" & so forth).  Would you care to back up your assertion with some evidence? - for now, I'm dubious about your truthfulness. You write (and spout off) without intervention of critical evaluation.  It's like your not-a-theory: you hear something that strikes you as "right" or you get a thought that strikes you as right and you shove it right in without testing it, evaluating what it implies, checking whether or not it fits. Given your track record of nearly always being wrong, you'd do well to live by several rules.  First, whatever strikes you as obvious is probably wrong.  Second, whatever strikes you as self-evident actually needs supporting evidence. Third (and this one applies to everyone), never write / think / present for yourself, for your convenience, stopping at the point that you have satisfied yourself.  Instead, put yourself in your audience's shoes and write so that they can follow your thoughts, see your reasoning, and understand your arguments without miscomprehension.

Jim_Wynne Posts: 1208 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2016,16:15    Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 14 2016,06:47)   Quote (jeffox @ June 13 2016,18:42)   Quote With my now waiting back for word from review on the first 5 pages I thought I should mention the latest challenge. What's a 'now waiting back'? Still hooting after all these years!   :)  :)  :) Where I live the phrase "waiting back" is a shortened way of saying "waiting to hear back". From the Pearls Before Swine department: One of George Orwell's "rules" from "Politics and the English Language":  If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out. The word "back" in that sentence, regardless of regional usage, is superfluous. -------------- Evolution is not about laws but about randomness on happanchance.--Robert Byers, at PT

jeffox Posts: 671 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2016,10:19    Gee, and here I thought you meant something else!        Where we live, here in the upper Midwest, we just use the words that mean what we think.  You should try that sometime! 'Till then, you're still a hoot!

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: June 18 2016,11:36    Awesome new paper for something found at the tracksite: Quote A new reconstruction of continental Treptichnus based on exceptionally preserved material from the Jurassic of Massachusetts Patrick R. Getty, Thomas D. McCarthy, Shannon Hsieh and Andrew M. Bush http://journals.cambridge.org/abstrac....6000202 Acknowledgments We are indebted to G. and L. Gaulin, who permitted us to collect the burrows described herein from outcrops exposed on their property, and to P. Mayer and D. Polly for sending the type and topotype specimens, respectively, for comparison with the Holyoke material. We are grateful to M. Higgins, D. Vellone, and A. Brodeur for helping to collect and transport specimens from the field. We thank A. Martin and A. Rindsberg for their many discussions with us regarding Treptichnus and D. Wagner, J. Caira, and B. Goffinet for their thoughts on the burrows. We appreciate the assistance of R. Sanderson and D. Stier in getting the specimens accessioned into the collections of the Springfield Science Museum. Finally, we appreciate reviews of the manu-script provided by A. Rindsberg and L. Buatois I have a PDF of the full text. This is really really good. It will be useful for modeling what was living at the time. Small tracks that show the sudden turn behavior indicative of modern birds were found on top of that layer, as though feeding on the critters living below. Above that was a sudden large deposit that would have left that moment frozen in time. The layers at this site are from the East Berlin formation, the oldest around. In this period dinosaurs were relatively small though the largest around would be a little taller than we are and likely dangerous to be around. The giants came just before the end of the dinosaur age not what started it off, being studied by this and other papers. It's not exactly what was there more than 100 million years later in the "age of the dinosaurs". Animators next use the information to more accurately bring that early period of time back to life again. All in all science has been good to me. I have to be thankful, to many.  And what happens in this troll filled forum is just a hoot, so whatever.. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

N.Wells Posts: 1836 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,07:17    Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 18 2016,11:36) Awesome new paper for something found at the tracksite:   Quote A new reconstruction of continental Treptichnus based on exceptionally preserved material from the Jurassic of Massachusetts Patrick R. Getty, Thomas D. McCarthy, Shannon Hsieh and Andrew M. Bush http://journals.cambridge.org/abstrac....6000202 Acknowledgments We are indebted to G. and L. Gaulin, who permitted us to collect the burrows described herein from outcrops exposed on their property, and to P. Mayer and D. Polly for sending the type and topotype specimens, respectively, for comparison with the Holyoke material. We are grateful to M. Higgins, D. Vellone, and A. Brodeur for helping to collect and transport specimens from the field. We thank A. Martin and A. Rindsberg for their many discussions with us regarding Treptichnus and D. Wagner, J. Caira, and B. Goffinet for their thoughts on the burrows. We appreciate the assistance of R. Sanderson and D. Stier in getting the specimens accessioned into the collections of the Springfield Science Museum. Finally, we appreciate reviews of the manu-script provided by A. Rindsberg and L. Buatois I have a PDF of the full text. This is really really good. It will be useful for modeling what was living at the time. Small tracks that show the sudden turn behavior indicative of modern birds were found on top of that layer, as though feeding on the critters living below. Above that was a sudden large deposit that would have left that moment frozen in time. The layers at this site are from the East Berlin formation, the oldest around. In this period dinosaurs were relatively small though the largest around would be a little taller than we are and likely dangerous to be around. The giants came just before the end of the dinosaur age not what started it off, being studied by this and other papers. It's not exactly what was there more than 100 million years later in the "age of the dinosaurs". Animators next use the information to more accurately bring that early period of time back to life again. All in all science has been good to me. I have to be thankful, to many.  And what happens in this troll filled forum is just a hoot, so whatever.. As always, congratulations on providing access to the trace fossils on your property.  That is an important contribution. Any progress on the various outstanding questions?

NoName Posts: 2729 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,07:40    Well, another way to look at this is that the only 'service'  Gary is able to provide is to not get in people's way when they want to get to something interesting. Gary can get out of the way.  But he can't show the way, document the way, or understand the way.  The perfect anti-Buddha ;-)

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