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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,11:53   

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I noticed that Gorski’s document doesn’t present any facts showing why DCA is doomed to fail, just a lot of energy. Sounds like the neo-Darwinian community as a whole.

You're in luck! Gorski considers DCA to be promising and worthy of fast-tracking to human trials.

Orac, a.k.a. David Gorski        
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DCA seems promising enough to warrant a fast track into clinical trials in humans.


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Seems a total waste of time trying to find drugs to tread diseases because the diseases will just develop resistance.

Invoking the Red Queen Hypothesis doesn't mean you stop running.

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Does that mean that neo-Darwinian evoluton is the science stopper?

It just means you have to account for evolutionary change when devising strategies to combat disease. By the way, according to this interview with Dr. Evangelos Michelakis, the rodent tumours were shrunk by "up to 70%".

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,12:05   

Ye Tard Spake Thus:

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The reason zach can’t post here is because he can’t read. We are looking for examples of the claim that we’ve cured cancer 100 times over in mice but those cures fail to work in humans


Please note one cure working on 100 different mice would meet this somewhat ambiguous criteria.

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Bing



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,12:25   

Is DaveTard now taking the opportunity of his premature Dell retirement to pursue a career in medicine?  

With the IQ certified at 150+ from 20 year old SAT scores and his vast science knowledge gleaned from 30 years of reading Scientific American I bet he could skip the MCAT, skip med school, and just go on to ace the national boards and put the letters FACS right after his name.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,12:28   

Quote (Bing @ Feb. 04 2007,12:25)
Is DaveTard now taking the opportunity of his premature Dell retirement to pursue a career in medicine?  

With the IQ certified at 150+ from 20 year old SAT scores and his vast science knowledge gleaned from 30 years of reading Scientific American I bet he could skip the MCAT, skip med school, and just go on to ace the national boards and put the letters FACS right after his name.

Don't forget the hard sci-fi.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,13:25   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 04 2007,12:28)
Don't forget the hard sci-fi.

Nah, too easy.  I'll just let that one go by, Rich.

:)

Does give me an idea for my next bit of story telling, though.

;)

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,13:32   

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JanieBelle:  Your blog, udoj.wordpress.com/, is worth $20,323.44

Well isn't that special?  I'm a little broke right now, how do I go about...

Uh-oh.   Kate's giving me the badeye...

:D

That thing's obviously a load of crap.  UD ain't worth a plugged nickel, near as I can tell.

Unless of course they're considering the comedy angle...

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,13:33   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 04 2007,12:28)
Don't forget the hard sci-fi.

That's hard-core sci-fi, right?

There you go lou, fodder right there.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,13:55   

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Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 04 2007,12:28)
Don't forget the hard sci-fi.

That's hard-core sci-fi, right?

There you go lou, fodder right there.

Well, if you insist...

 
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DaveTard struggled to free himself, but the force field wouldn't give.  Sweat trickled from his naked body although the temperature on board was an ever constant 18 C.

The click of Kate's boot heels on the steel decking echoed through the halls of the ship, and as she raised the laser whip for the first blow, Janie's voice cracked over the com.

"Kate, get up here!  It's the Starship Dumbskass, and she's closing fast!  I need you at weps!"

Kate's eyes narrowed at DaveTard.  "Don't go away."


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Bing



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,14:17   

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Sweat trickled from his naked body although....
I normally hate to interfere with the creative process, but don't you think it would be more realistic to say something like?

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Sweat trickled into the folds of his pale soft skin; folds created by an avoidance of actual work and his consumption of bags of Cheezy Poofs to numerous to count.  The smell of intertrigo hung heavy in the air.

  
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,14:24   

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Sweat trickled from his naked body although....
I normally hate to interfere with the creative process, but don't you think it would be more realistic to say something like?

 
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Sweat trickled into the folds of his pale soft skin; folds created by an avoidance of actual work and his consumption of bags of Cheezy Poofs to numerous to count.  The smell of intertrigo hung heavy in the air.

It was a first draft.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,15:17   

Quote (Bing @ Feb. 04 2007,14:17)
 The smell of intertrigo hung heavy in the air

INTERTRIGO? IT'S HI KARATE YOU HOMO.

5 MORE POSTS TILL YOU LOT LEARN WHATS WHAT. GET READY.

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,17:55   

Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 04 2007,18:56)
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Thanks for trying zach. If you ever get a clue maybe I’ll let you return here but until you do you’ll have to remain sniping stupidly from the sidelines.

Uncommon Descent IS the sidelines (as is this blog). The actual research is being done by working scientists and published in journals of their peers. The reason for my being banned is a matter of record.

   1. For pointing out that Scientific American is not a peer reviewed journal.
   2. For arguing that a human arm can be used as a natural sling.
   3. For defending a teacher of biology against unfair accusations of lying.

The first two were on-topic to the relevant threads on Uncommon Descent. The latter was not posted to Uncommon Descent, at all. If I were to post on Uncommon Descent, I would expect that my comments would appear promptly and without abuse of moderation designed to stifle legitimate discusssion.

As far as snide, guess who said this.                      
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You’re certainly entitled to whatever opinion you want of Gorski but mine continues to be that he’s a supercilious bag of hot air who couldn’t make it as a surgeon and is now a sock puppet for moneyed interests in the cancer therapy industry.

When someone is so intent on being seen as right, then learning is often precluded.

DaveScot                      
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Thanks for trying zach. If you ever get a clue maybe I’ll let you return here but until you do you’ll have to remain sniping stupidly from the sidelines.


Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Uh Oh  .....Main stream science researcher and pooflinger...WTF?

Q.Why can't DT wear a condom?
A.Because there is no end to the prick.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,17:55   

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DaveTard struggled to free himself, but the force field wouldn't give.  Sweat trickled from his naked body

Ohhhhhh, duuuuuude, that's a mental image that I *sooooooo* did not need . . . .

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

(rubs eyes repeatedly)

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,18:06   

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DaveTard struggled to free himself, but the force field wouldn't give.  Sweat trickled from his naked body

Ohhhhhh, duuuuuude, that's a mental image that I *sooooooo* did not need . . . .

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

(rubs eyes repeatedly)

Just think of Fat Bastard molesting a bag of cheesy poofs.

PULL MY FINGER FARTING FAT BASTARD

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,18:27   

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"Kate, get up here!  It's the Starship Dumbskass, and she's closing fast!  I need you at weps!"

Kate's eyes narrowed at DaveTard.  "Don't go away."

Oh, come hither, Starship Dumbskass. Thaaat's right. Come to Kristine. ;)

I'm in this story, right? (In between slaving over my schoolwork? *Rattles chains*) :)

Sorry I didn't say this before Phonon, but..gee. I'm sorry you went through that. ???

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,19:05   

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"Kate, get up here!  It's the Starship Dumbskass, and she's closing fast!  I need you at weps!"

Kate's eyes narrowed at DaveTard.  "Don't go away."

Oh, come hither, Starship Dumbskass. Thaaat's right. Come to Kristine. ;)

I'm in this story, right? (In between slaving over my schoolwork? *Rattles chains*) :)

Sorry I didn't say this before Phonon, but..gee. I'm sorry you went through that. ???

PHONON TORPEDOS AWAY, KEPTIN.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,20:01   

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I put Richard Dawkins in the same category as the holocaust deniers. As Terry Tommyrot’s excellent “spoof” implies he deserves only ridicule.

What a jerk. :angry:

At least the mother ship finally links to comments.

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,20:12   

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Set phasers for stunned!  
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I put Richard Dawkins in the same category as the holocaust deniers. As Terry Tommyrot’s excellent “spoof” implies he deserves only ridicule.

What a jerk. :angry:

At least the mother ship finally links to comments.

So god=the holocaust?

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,20:54   

Quote (k.e @ Feb. 04 2007,20:12)
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Set phasers for stunned!  
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I put Richard Dawkins in the same category as the holocaust deniers. As Terry Tommyrot’s excellent “spoof” implies he deserves only ridicule.

What a jerk. :angry:

At least the mother ship finally links to comments.

So god=the holocaust?

There are living witnesses to the holocaust..

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,22:27   

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I put Richard Dawkins in the same category as the holocaust deniers. As Terry Tommyrot’s excellent “spoof” implies he deserves only ridicule.

What a jerk. :angry:

At least the mother ship finally links to comments.

So god=the holocaust?

There are living witnesses to the holocaust..

So holocaust deniers are like Dawkins deniers.

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phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,22:59   

Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 04 2007,18:27)
Sorry I didn't say this before Phonon, but..gee. I'm sorry you went through that. ???

Hey, no big woop. I really wasn't all that traumatized or anything. I knew it was all a load of poo, even then. At least my childhood wasn't totally boring.

   
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PHONON TORPEDOS AWAY, KEPTIN.

He he! An optical one or an acoustic one, Chekov?

   
Quote (k.e @ Feb. 04 2007,20:12)
So god=the holocaust?

Well, God allowed the holocaust to happen. At least Mr. Deity did. (Those skits were much funnier than I thought they would be.)

So if you deny the holocaust, you deny the glory of God and the Holy Spirit. And you get a free DVD.

 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 04 2007,20:54)
There are living witnesses to the holocaust..

Did they see all 6 million get killed?

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phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,23:08   

Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 04 2007,01:46)
hmm. I hereby invent a new term to describe your observation:

Selective Antimaterialism

(of course, really it's just projection and denial, but I think it sounds cooler)

Hay! Maybe instead of "Cafeteria Catholics" they could be called "Cafeteria Creationists."

Most Christians nowadays (actually always) simply pick and chose which parts of the holy books to observe and which to ignore as a matter of cultural convenience, so it's no problem for them to hail science when it finds a way to circumvent God's will (you dying from cancer) all the while hailing God for making cancer irreducibly complex in the first place. How much CSI is in cancer anyway?

It's also funny to me that most Christians ignore the large majority of Levitical law, like the beard thing, tattoo thing, the shellfish thing. Oh but the gay thing, that's politically convenient to observe. And gay people make you feel icky inside. It's like Stephen Colbert says, "I don't hate gay people, just the ones that turn me on."

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,23:13   

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I put Richard Dawkins in the same category as the holocaust deniers. As Terry Tommyrot’s excellent “spoof” implies he deserves only ridicule.  

What a jerk. :angry:

At least the mother ship finally links to comments.  

So god=the holocaust?  

There are living witnesses to the holocaust..  

So holocaust deniers are like Dawkins deniers.  

Ah! I guess so!

But that's not why I'm mad, durn it. Somebody stole my saying! That's my saying! :D

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phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,23:34   

Oh, Denyse.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2023

 
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Are intelligent design and string theory equally untestable? Hmmm.


http://www.physorg.com/news88786651.html

 
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Physicists Develop Test for 'String Theory'

“Our work shows that, in principle, string theory can be tested in a non-trivial way,” explained Ira Rothstein, co-author of the paper and professor of physics at Carnegie Mellon.

Rothstein and colleagues Jacques Distler, a professor of physics at The University of Texas at Austin; Benjamin Grinstein, a professor of physics at the University of California, San Diego; and Carnegie Mellon graduate student Rafael Porto developed their test based on studies of how strongly force-carrying particles called W bosons scatter in high-energy particle collisions generated within a particle accelerator. W bosons are special because they carry a property called the weak force, which provides a fundamental way for particles to interact with one another.

When the LHC turns on later this year, scientists will begin to investigate the scattering of W bosons, which has not been possible with other particle accelerators. Because the new test follows from a measurement of W boson scattering, it could eventually be performed at the LHC, according to the authors.

“The beauty of our test is the simplicity of its assumptions,” explained Grinstein of UCSD. “The canonical forms of string theory include three mathematical assumptions—Lorentz invariance (the laws of physics are the same for all uniformly moving observers), analyticity (a smoothness criteria for the scattering of high-energy particles after a collision) and unitarity (all probabilities always add up to one). Our test sets bounds on these assumptions.”

He added, “If the test does not find what the theory predicts about W boson scattering, it would be evidence that one of string theory’s key mathematical assumptions is violated. In other words, string theory—as articulated in its current form—would be proven impossible.”


Now, Denyse. Please describe your tests for your detailed hypotheses of ID. Would they even be in the same universe of detail as string theory? String theory is about as detailed in its predictions as you can get. But, I sometimes forget the Prime Law of ID when it comes to detail.

And then Denyse delivers the coup de grace (to ID).
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But how about this: ideas futilely grasping onto some kind of reality they never find? I sure wouldn’t advise anyone to bet the farm on strings.
So let me get this straight, Denyse. ID theory is like string theory in that neither is feasibly testable (except that some underlying assumptions to string theory are indeed testable, or will be soon with the building of the LHC) and you wouldn't bet the farm on string theory, so what does that say to you about ID "theory?" Hmmm?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2007,23:45   

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2023#comment-89457
 
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If the concept of a designer is conceded, the state of science would revert to what it was circa 1962 (at least in the U.S.) and the experimenters would have close to free reign as long as they avoided the footsteps of Mengele (which I fear they are not)
So before 1962, scientists could invoke "poof" in their theories? What happened in 1962? ???

And speaking of holocaust...if we let scientists invoke "poof" then they start doing experiments like Mengele? Interesting. A reverse-self-Godwin. ...I think. ???

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2007,00:00   

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And then Denyse delivers the coup de grace (to ID).
 
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But how about this: ideas futilely grasping onto some kind of reality they never find? I sure wouldn’t advise anyone to bet the farm on strings.
And then Denyse delivers the coup de grace (to ID).



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Well, put all of that embarrassment behind you. Want to dazzle crowds with your wondrous knowledge of Shakespeare and surgeries? Want to learn to woo just like history's greatest minds? Well, start reading already! The Genius Instruction Manual is a foolproof finishing school for polishing your brain. All you've got to do is dive in.


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2007,01:28   

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Now, Denyse. Please describe your tests for your detailed hypotheses of ID


whoa there boyo!

she has to detail an actual hypothesis first!

been waitin' nigh on ten years fer that un.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2007,06:29   

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"Kate, get up here!  It's the Starship Dumbskass, and she's closing fast!  I need you at weps!"

Kate's eyes narrowed at DaveTard.  "Don't go away."

Oh, come hither, Starship Dumbskass. Thaaat's right. Come to Kristine. ;)

I'm in this story, right? (In between slaving over my schoolwork? *Rattles chains*) :)

SHHHH!!

You'll spoil the ending!

Maybe we could take a poll of who should be in the story.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2007,07:53   

O'Leary  
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Are intelligent design and string theory equally untestable? Hmmm.

There are significant differences between Intelligent Design and String Theory. Intelligent Design is a *claim* that there is scientific evidence that the structures in biology are due to intelligent intervention. String Theory is not a *claim*, but a number of related hypothetical structures that are still being developed.

O'Leary  
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String theory is supposed to be way cool, after all. So uncool so soon?

It's been a number of years and many scientists are concerned that theorists may be wasting their time unless they are constrained by observation. Various valid tests have since been proposed.

O'Leary  
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1. the irreducible complexity of the bacterial flagellum
2. complex specified information as always the result of intelligence
3. and possibly the privileged planet hypothesis

1. Rebutted by homologous structures.
2. Fallacy of petitio principii (assuming the conclusion).
3. Not supported by observation.

All in all, this shows a poor understanding of the scientific method: hypothesis, prediction, observation, validation, repeat. String Theory is in the first stage of developing a valid hypothesis and theorists are being prodded to move to the second stage and make some strong, falsifiable predictions. Intelligent Design merely *claims* to be scientific without any of that messy empiricism.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2007,08:24   

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http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2023#comment-89457
   
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If the concept of a designer is conceded, the state of science would revert to what it was circa 1962 (at least in the U.S.) and the experimenters would have close to free reign as long as they avoided the footsteps of Mengele (which I fear they are not)
So before 1962, scientists could invoke "poof" in their theories? What happened in 1962? ???

What's the big deal about 1962? Notice there's also a commenter on UD named Mike1962. Some big scientific thing happened in 1962?

They can't possibly be talking about this, can they?:

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Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962), was a landmark United States Supreme Court case that determined that it is unconstitutional for state officials to compose an official school prayer and require its recitation in public schools, even when it is non-denominational and students may excuse themselves from participation.

[URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engel_v._Vitale


   
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