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Dante



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,09:44   

The point of comments at UD isn't to have discussion, it's for agreeing with whatever the post is about.

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Chris Hyland



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,10:08   

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With the spread and cheapening of technology what is to prevent a ID-hating fanatic from eventually planting an instance of CSI in an organism and then falsely claiming to have documented that this CSI came about by RM+NS, thus falsifying ID by means of identifying a false positive? After all, if ID is such a danger to science as some claim then the ends would justify the means…not to mention in some circles being known as the “person who killed ID” would be quite a career booster.


I vote this as quote of the week.

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,10:16   

Quote (Bob O'H @ May 13 2006,13:48)
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What is conventional Darwinite wisdom?  Should I pop over there and ask them that?  I've never been banned from anywhere before.


You'll never be taken seriously here until you change that.  If you want to gain our everlasting respect, you have to ask something totally innocuous and be banned.

Oh, and doesn't Darwinite wisdom have something to do with banana bending?  Or is that Queensland?

Bob

Yes, no one can truly say that they've joined the Club here until Dumbo's Man has banned you. Extra points if he also insults you. Get to work.

'Darwinite' is a special kind of Vegemite they only market in the Northern Territories. Didn't you know that?

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PuckSR



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,10:17   

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Suicide bombers kill/wound as many as possible, they don’t know who the victims are, they don’t care whether the victims have done anything wrong (perceived or real), and in their indiscrete targeting even kill people of their own creed.

Conversely, in the United States there have been only two abortion doctors murdered (AFAIK) and in both cases the murderer knew exactly who he was killing, perceived the target as a serial murderer of innocent children, and didn’t kill anyone else.


Actually, if Dave had bothered to study Islam at all...he would realize that this is irresponsibly false.  Killing innocent people is more taboo for Muslims than Christians.

They target only those people that they believe are their enemy.  The current excuse being bandied about for suicide bombing(the indiscriminate kind) is that they are attacking democracies.  Democracies are representive govts, and therefore every citizen is responsible for the actions of their govt.

If you ignore the Israel bombings, most "Islamic Fundamentalist" attacks are carefully designed to be targeted only at those who are not innocent.

9/11...they could have crashed the planes in ways that would have caused a higher body count of innocents...but they were attempting to attack "greed" so they flew the planes into financial buildings and govt buildings.

Many of the bombings in Iraq are specifically aimed at either Americans or those working with Americans...they are not indiscriminantly killing people.

The USS Cole was a military vessel...so not an indiscriminate attack



This "Christian" country bombed the #### out of civilians during WWII.  We destroyed many cities in japan.  It would be truly hypocritical for us to complain about collateral damages.

The KKK is a Christian organization that regularly has and still does practice terrorism, with an extremely racist viewpoint.
The entire white supremacy movement is normally based strongly around Christianity....
The entire "group" of Christian hate is known as the Christian Identity Movement....

So I guess Christians do indiscriminantly murder....
Between 1994-2004 there were 92 different attempted bombings of abortion clinics....bombings are indiscriminate
there were also 20 attempted murders(some successful).


Whenever you hear someone discussing how Islamic Terrorists indiscriminantly kill any westerner/Christian...I will guarantee they dont know what the #### they are talking about.

Some extremists are worse than others...but they would all be violating their religious teachings if they began killing indiscriminantly

  
PuckSR



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,10:21   

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Yes, no one can truly say that they've joined the Club here until Dumbo's Man has banned you. Extra points if he also insults you. Get to work.


Do I get even more bonus points if I was banned by both Dembski and DaveTard....and if they both posted to announce my ban?

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,10:25   

Quote (PuckSR @ May 13 2006,15:21)
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Yes, no one can truly say that they've joined the Club here until Dumbo's Man has banned you. Extra points if he also insults you. Get to work.


Do I get even more bonus points if I was banned by both Dembski and DaveTard....and if they both posted to announce my ban?

That's pretty good. Did either of them insult you? If so, that makes you a lifetime member here.

Were both bans at the same time, or did you sneak through later and get banned a second time?

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PuckSR



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,10:59   

Dembski banned be about 1.5 years ago.....
When Dave took over the blog....I was somehow unbanned.
So I was rebanned.

When Dembski banned me Dave went so far as to try and find "evil" facts about me from the net....such as my alternative sexual interests......
I think that counts as insulting...especially since he posted links to other websites to demonstrate my moral inferiority.

Dave actually used to behave when Dembski was around...even though I found his definition of agnostic to be mildly annoying.
The real nutjob used to be Josh Bozeman.  Thordaddy may be his brother.  Every time I talked to him I wound up calling him an idiot.  Not because of his beliefs...but because he was an idiot.  He couldnt read or comprehend other people's posts.  He didnt just ignore them because they ran counter to his beliefs...he honestly seemed to lack the facilities necessary to understand the posts.  Just like Thor

  
dhogaza



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,11:22   

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Padian simply isn’t playing with a full deck and one has to hope he never decides to murder anyone because he isn’t able to distinguish between killing a crowd of strangers (as do suicide bombers) and a single person against whom he holds a grudge (doctors who perform abortions).


Apparently Dave feels that some murders are, to some degree, justified.

(the parentheticals are mine)

  
guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,13:33   

Quote (Bob O'H @ May 13 2006,13:48)
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What is conventional Darwinite wisdom?  Should I pop over there and ask them that?  I've never been banned from anywhere before.


You'll never be taken seriously here until you change that.  If you want to gain our everlasting respect, you have to ask something totally innocuous and be banned.

Oh, and doesn't Darwinite wisdom have something to do with banana bending?  Or is that Queensland?

Bob

Oh no!  
I can feel the evil Darwinite peer pressure forcing me towards the precipice!  What can save me from getting falling into the gorge of uncommon dissent?

  
Chris Hyland



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,14:01   

BarryA's back. Apparently evolutionists don't like quote mining becuase they all know evolution's in trouble.

  
Faid



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,14:06   

From Dave's 'update':
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There is no comparison but Kevin Padian in his mindless rage against fundamentalists sees no difference. If you ask me it’s people like Kevin Padian who are a danger to society not fundamentalist Christians. If Padian can’t tell the difference between a mass murdering suicide bomber indiscriminately blowing up crowds of people and a gunman carefully selecting a single target for murder then Padian simply isn’t playing with a full deck and one has to hope he never decides to murder anyone because he isn’t able to distinguish between killing a crowd of strangers and a single person against whom he holds a grudge.

Filed under: Intelligent Design — DaveScot @ 10:56 am

So... If someone thinks that people who kill one person they hate, are as evil as people who kill many persons they hate, then that someone is obviously prone to homicide himself, somehow. I see.

...Dave, I think you should take two of the yellow pills tonight.

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"...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

  
dhogaza



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,15:07   

Since Barry loves quote mining so much, I've indulged in the practice myself, using the last few sentences of his post as ore:
 
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In other words, it is becoming clearer with every passing year that the evidence does not support ... ID ... and creationists ... know this.  ... When dealing with yet more non-confirming data, they can either not mention it or try to deal with it. If they take the former option they leave themselves open to charges of sloppy work or even fraud when the evidence inevitably comes to light.

Yes, Barry, quote mining is an honorable way to debate, yes indeed.

Of course, the funny thing is that my quote mine of Barry's post is far more accurate than the original entry!

  
beervolcano



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,16:20   

Excellent. Keep that up as long as he does.



     
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Suicide bombers kill/wound as many as possible, they don’t know who the victims are, they don’t care whether the victims have done anything wrong (perceived or real), and in their indiscrete targeting even kill people of their own creed.

So it's ok to target people of another creed?
And if you think someone did something wrong, then it's ok to kill them?


W. T. F. ?


Check out the chart on
this page. Dave sounds like he's AOK with all that.

I guess this guy is a hero to Dave.

This is what he did:

   
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19 Sep 1966 Eric Robert Rudolph born.
27 Jul 1996 Olympic Park Bombing, Atlanta. Alice Hawthorne is killed and 111 others are injured.
21 Feb 1997 Two bombs at the Otherside Lounge, a lesbian nightclub in Atlanta GA, one of which fails to detonate.
29 Jan 1998 A bomb at the New Woman All Women Clinic (where abortions are sometimes performed) explodes, killing off-duty police officer Robert Sanderson, Birmingham AL. Another person, Emily Lyons, is seriously wounded.
7 Feb 1998 Rudolph's truck recovered, Murphy NC.
14 Feb 1998 Charges filed against Rudolph for the Birmingham clinic bombing.
7 Mar 1998 Eric's brother, Daniel, cuts his hand off with a radial arm saw, videotaping the event in protest of his brother's... umm, something. Doctors reattach the hand for some strange reason -- clearly the man didn't want it.
5 May 1998 Eric Rudolph placed on Ten Most Wanted list.
31 May 2003 Fugitive Eric Rudolph arrested as he rummages through a dumpster, Murphy NC.
11 Dec 2003 Attorney General John Ashcroft authorizes prosecutors to seek the death penalty.
15 Apr 2005 Rudolph pleads guilty to 2 abortion clinic bombings, the 1996 Olympics bombing, and the bombing of a lesbian nightclub in 1997. In an 11-page statement, Rudolph explains his motives:

   "Because I believe that abortion is murder, I also believe that force is justified and in an attempt to stop it. Because this government is committed to the policy of maintaining the policy of abortion and protecting it, the agents of this government are the agents of mass murder, whether knowingly or unknowingly."

   [...]

   "Those who call themselves Pro-Life and who claim that abortion is murder and those who use force to prevent it are just as morally reprehensible as the abortionists. For these I have nothing to say other that that you are liars, hypocrites and cowards. There is no more fundamental duty for a moral citizen than to protect the innocent from assault."

   [...]

   "Any conscientious individual afflicted with homosexuality should acknowledge that a healthy society requires a model of sexual behavior to be held up and maintained without assault. Like other humans suffering from various disabilities homosexual should not attempt to infect the rest of society with their particular illness."


to Dave, the murders of Eric Rudolf are justified, yet an Islamic terrorist's actions are not.

Read Eric's thoughts. They hit a little close to home for some of the UD crowd.

http://www.christiangallery.com/RudolphStatement.html

Dave also must agree with this guy:

http://www.armyofgod.com/MikeBrayFathersRights.html

 
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A FATHER’S RIGHT: THE EXECUTION OF ABORTIONISTS

In the particular capital crime of murder, God has required the death of the murderer.  The very principle, the “image of God” in man, both prohibits murder and commands that the murderer be executed.   Just as men are required to refrain from murder, they are required to execute those who commit murder.
As with all forms of injustice in the world, God, who loves justice, will bring judgment in due time and right all wrongs.  Those wrongs of which we have knowledge but are unable to prove in court will not go unnoticed or un-addressed by God.  Vengeance is His and He will repay and He delegates to human authorities the task of executing vengeance (Romans 13:4)....

The question of duty arises.  Who is responsible to see that the guilty one is executed?  In civilizations with developed legal systems, the answer may seem to require no thought: police, prosecutors, jails, courts, prisons, and electric chairs all compose modern justice systems so that responsibility never is in question.  But in ruder or simpler societies, the question of duty might be less obvious.  Tribal Israel was informed by the Law of Moses that the “avenger of blood” (goel ha-dam) was responsible for administering the justice.  In a murder case this “avenger” is traditionally understood to be the nearest male kinsman of the victim though some scholars have argued that he may be a representative of the elders of the city, an official of government. ...

It has occurred to me that I ought  somehow, as fair warning,  to publicize to practicing abortionists my intent to take vengeance upon them should they in the course of their ill-chosen profession up happen on the misfortune of choosing to murder one of my children or grandchildren.  However, in the present irrational legal climate such a fair, philanthropic warning would more likely be taken as a criminal threat!


All that sounds very similar to the way Islamic terrorists justify their actions. They are carrying out God's justice. They have to do it because no one else will.

These are Dave's heroes.
Congratulations Dave.


ps- don't think I missed the irony of "Attorney General John Ashcroft authorizes prosecutors to seek the death penalty."

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beervolcano



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,16:55   

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1118

from the linked-to article

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Despite the tremendous strides made in nanotechnology, no device of similar functionality can yet be fabricated with inorganic materials. Furthermore, many questions remain about the basic principles by which molecular machines such as ATP synthase convert chemical energy to mechanical forces.

You know what? Despite the tremendous strides made in manufacturing technology, no one can produce and artificial flawless perfectly white 1 carat diamond. Those things must be intelligently designed.

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It is surely one of the triumphs of evolution that Nature discovered how to make highly accurate machines in such a noisy environment. One marvelous example is DNA polymerase, a molecular copying machine only 13 nanometers in size, capable of copying DNA molecules with an intrinsic error rate approaching one part per million. Much remains to be understood about the general principles behind such impressive fidelity, especially as it is achieved in the violent thermal environment of a test tube or a cell.
Demski uses the quote in order to scoff at it, but read what he quoted again.

"It is surely one of the triumphs of evolution that Nature discovered how to make highly accurate machines in such a noisy environment."

So, I guess Demski is ruling out "Nature" as being the name of the Designer. I guess Nature just isn't intelligent enough. Even though the article is talking about statistics and everything being driven by stochastic thermal processes, Dembski sees all these processes as examples of some sort of teleology. I just don't get the mental disconnect.




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Is Darwinism another form of neo-paganism?

Article:”One marvelous example is DNA polymerase, a molecular copying machine only 13 nanometers in size, capable of copying DNA molecules with an intrinsic error rate approaching one part per million”

Not to mention all those precise error-correction mechanisms that cooperate the copying process. We must simply assume all of these nano-machines are evolved and the Darwinian mechanisms is the only alternative. The gods of mutation and selection at work!

Comment by Farshad — May 13, 2006 @ 3:46 pm

Well, this is a perfect argument for the Space Alien ID. Since the PCR does make some errors and requires a complicated error correcting mechanism that doesn't always  work, this cannot be the handiwork of the Almighty Lord Jesus Christ, whose designs, you would think would be perfect (being a Jewish Carpenter and all.)

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What I’m curious to know is if thermal fluctuation is also responsible for the double helix twisting and how this also might be related to folding and topology.

God, just take a chemistry class! The helix forms because of the glycosidic bond angles in the sugar-phosphate backbone.

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And the reason I’d think this way is a Designer would make all things simple as possible between spatial worldviews.

Uh, but I thought COMPLEXITY was the hallmark of design?

{*the sound of a cuckoo clock going off...*}

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beervolcano



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,17:12   

{*The sound of a whole room of cuckoo clocks going off...*}

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I’ve been thinking… is ther such a thing as a liberal atheistic fundamentalist? Which should take their label and throw it back in their face.

Comment by jpark320 — May 13, 2006 @ 2:28 pm

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It’s called Darwinian Fundamentalism. It’s killed more people than any kind of religious fundamentalism.

Yeah, man, didn't you hear about the Creationism Museum bombings?

Not to mention the church burnings and ebola spreading.

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What about the Culture of Death fanatics?

They deserve to die, of course!

And the ultimate head spinning attempt at rationalization for abortion clinic bombers:
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The mistake that Padian makes here goes deeper than just apparently failing to distinguish between forms of religious fundamentalism. This problem is common to all who are quick to dismiss all types of “fundamentalist religious extremism” as dangerous: For any course of action to be dangerous, it must serve as a threat to some state of affairs which has value in accordance with some other fundamentalistic conceptualization of the world. In order for a course of action to be “wrong”, it must be committed in opposition to some state of affairs that is “good”. Everybody–including Padian–has some conceptualization of “good” and “bad” states of affairs of varying degrees of importance, and at least some of them are considered worth going to some sort of “extreme” to influence. These can be said to be of fundamental importance within one’s worldview. Hence everybody can be said to fall under the category of “fundamentalist religious extremist”.

Comment by crandaddy — May 13, 2006 @ 8:43 pm

See? Abortion clinic bombers are OK because, come on, everyone is a fundamentalist religious extremist deep down. Surely you can sympathize.  :(

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Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,02:01   

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That's pretty good. Did either of them insult you? If so, that makes you a lifetime member here.


Does this count as a double ban with insult, Arden?



 
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Renard a.k.a. Alan Fox

The jig is up buddy. Time to change your name again if you wish to continue chatting with the intelligent crowd. Sayonara sucker.

Comment by DaveScot — December 19, 2005 @ 7:56 am
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I was debating when to lower the boom on Renard. It seems that this is an appropriate time. –WmAD

Comment by William Dembski — December 19, 2005 @ 8:12 am


(link)

  
thurdl01



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,04:43   

Quote (Faid @ May 13 2006,20:06)
So... If someone thinks that people who kill one person they hate, are as evil as people who kill many persons they hate, then that someone is obviously prone to homicide himself, somehow. I see.

Well, we talk about Lies For Jesus, but Murders For Jesus has been a much longer standing tradition.

  
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,04:56   

Yeah Alan, that was a hoot.
But hey, you went out of your way to tell them that Renard is French for Fox.
They are so anal, they seem to get some sort of fetishistic pleasure out of examining their running critique. Freud had some words to say on that BTW dSS.
You might learn something if you look it up.
Sieg Hail   Hans Fritzsche  Dave S. Springer; Ministerialdirektor at the Propagandaministerium for creobabies with fetishes. Keep coming back dSS, more insults to follow (you know you love it).
Oh can I say how much I enjoyed your street theater with JAD ?
Thanks, you just can't make that stuff up, improved your credibility from zero to ...oh right there nothing less is there?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,05:00   

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Hence everybody can be said to fall under the category of “fundamentalist religious extremist”.


When your conclusion is idiotic, you should go back and look at your reasoning.

   
Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,06:19   

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But hey, you went out of your way to tell them that Renard is French for Fox.


That was Jim, k.e., not me. You're not suggesting I engineered my own "double ban with insult" just to get life-time membership here, are you? :)

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,06:26   

Quote (PuckSR @ May 13 2006,15:59)
Dembski banned be about 1.5 years ago.....
When Dave took over the blog....I was somehow unbanned.
So I was rebanned.

When Dembski banned me Dave went so far as to try and find "evil" facts about me from the net....such as my alternative sexual interests......
I think that counts as insulting...especially since he posted links to other websites to demonstrate my moral inferiority.

Dave actually used to behave when Dembski was around...even though I found his definition of agnostic to be mildly annoying.
The real nutjob used to be Josh Bozeman.  Thordaddy may be his brother.  Every time I talked to him I wound up calling him an idiot.  Not because of his beliefs...but because he was an idiot.  He couldnt read or comprehend other people's posts.  He didnt just ignore them because they ran counter to his beliefs...he honestly seemed to lack the facilities necessary to understand the posts.  

Two bans, with attempted swiftboating. That is pretty darn good. He11, I'd say that qualifies you to be one of the permanent members of the security council, as it were.

Should I ask what Dumbo's Man's definition of 'agnostic' is, or would it ruin my morning to hear it?

I agree with you that Josh Bozeman is in a class all of his own. I mean, none of these people are what I would really call smart, but Josh... there really is a kind of bovine boneheadedness to him. I'm not proud of it, but there is something about him that really brings out a mean streak in me. (But I'm far from the only one who responds to him that way.) You try to explain things to him, and they bounce right off him, like he promised Jesus 15 years ago never to let new facts enter his brain ever again, and a certain chunk of his brain eventually just ossified in response. I found it hilarious when DM banned him when he first tried to gentrify UD, but I suspect they'd let him back in now -- he's completely typical of your average UD poster now.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,06:33   

Can Bozeman compete in the Unintentional Irony department? I mean, UD is a place where they call Kevin Padian a Klansman because he doesn't like fundamentalist terrorists.

   
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,06:36   

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That's pretty good. Did either of them insult you? If so, that makes you a lifetime member here.


Does this count as a double ban with insult, Arden?

     
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Renard a.k.a. Alan Fox

The jig is up buddy. Time to change your name again if you wish to continue chatting with the intelligent crowd. Sayonara sucker.

Comment by DaveScot — December 19, 2005 @ 7:56 am
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I was debating when to lower the boom on Renard. It seems that this is an appropriate time. –WmAD

Comment by William Dembski — December 19, 2005 @ 8:12 am


(link)

From what I can tell, it's not quite a Double Ban With Insult, in that the first ban is really more like a 'moderation warning'. Plus, it was only 16 minutes before your actual banning.

But, on the up side, you did provoke some of DM's legendary tough-guy talk, such as "the jig is up", "buddy", and "sayonara sucker". So don't worry, you're in.  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,06:37   

afdave at UD:

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I spend a lot of time over at Panda’s Thumb at “After the Bar Closes” refuting evolution and defending Intelligent Design …


http://makeashorterlink.com/?T56C23B1D

LOL

  
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,06:37   

Oh, oops Alan
deepest apologies
Obe Wan mangeur de lapin  :D

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,06:41   

Quote (Aardvark @ May 14 2006,11:37)
afdave at UD:

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I spend a lot of time over at Panda’s Thumb at “After the Bar Closes” refuting evolution and defending Intelligent Design …


http://makeashorterlink.com/?T56C23B1D

LOL

'Defending Intelligent Design'??? He's a Young Earth Creationist, for fuck's sake! Are they no longer bothering to differentiate the two? ?

Note that he doesn't mention how much time he spends getting laughed at and avoiding questions.

I'm glad he's found a new home. He'll be much happier there.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,06:50   

There are lots of YECs over there. Salvador. this guy.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,06:55   

LOL. Dembski tries to 'reason' with one of his subjects.

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If a Young Earth seems a better fit, what is the major reason for rejecting it?
There are unanswered questions on all sides. Why choose conventional darwinite ‘wisdom?
They are certainly wrong on other issues.

Comment by mmadigan — May 13, 2006 @ 8:06 am


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Mmadigan: Astrophysics and geology are serious sciences. Darwinian evolution is not. –WmAD

Comment by William Dembski — May 13, 2006 @ 10:13 am

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Respectfully, I consider myself a serious scientist, with no religious predeliction.
I was erroneously misled by darwinian mythologies in my youth. Astrophysics has many
‘old earth’ problems. And except for the haphazard radiodating inculcated with circular reasoning,
I have yet to see insurmountable problems for a Young Earth Geology.
So again, what is unacceptable except the Established Religion Consensus?

Comment by mmadigan — May 13, 2006 @ 5:34 pm

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Erroneously misled is a redundancy. Have you read Gerald Schroeder?

Comment by mmadigan — May 13, 2006 @ 5:38 pm

   
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,06:59   

Quote (stevestory @ May 14 2006,11:50)
There are lots of YECs over there. Salvador. this guy.

yeah, this was, uh, amusing:

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Respectfully, I consider myself a serious scientist, with no religious predeliction.
I was erroneously misled by darwinian mythologies in my youth. Astrophysics has many
‘old earth’ problems. And except for the haphazard radiodating inculcated with circular reasoning,
I have yet to see insurmountable problems for a Young Earth Geology.
So again, what is unacceptable except the Established Religion Consensus?


A Young Earth Creationist, 'with no religious predeliction'. Suuuurrrrrrre......

This is kind of adorable, too:

"I consider myself a serious scientist".

Yes, and I'm sure your mother thinks you're very handsome, too.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,07:19   

oooh,ooooh,ooooh
mmadigan is going to steal the jesters thorny crown
seriously.......Bwhhahahahahhhahaha
respectfully....hehehehehehehehehehe
AND PROMOTES ANOTHER PSEUDOSCIENCE AUTHOR with hahaha NOT ONE but TWO Ph.D's IN REAL SERIOUS SCIENCE.....priceless
and Jewish to boot.
With a lovely tie into 6 Day creation, even the good doc. can't match that.
Every nutjob in the country will be trying to tip WADS boat.

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
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