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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2016,09:23   

Turn off your irony meters before you read this. The overload may be dangerous.

William Murray:
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One of the things I’ve noticed about many who come here to argue against the home team is that many appear to share the same inability to recognize and process certain kinds of abstract arguments. It really is as if they are biological automatons processing sequences of words and failing to comprehend the abstract concept those words are referring to.

Additionally, they appear to be not at all interested in any kind of internal, reflective self-criticism about the nature of their worldview. Such points as are presented here were of keen interest to me when I first visited this site many years ago and I changed many of my views as a result. I’m always on the lookout for problems with my worldview so I can correct or abandon them.

But, most of our interlocutors here seem only to care about defending their views, not actually examining them, which leads them to say self-contradictory or logically absurd things. They don’t even care if their defense remains logically coherent in itself, or if they portray their views with any consistency at all.

They appear often to have a single focus: deny theism, deny the supernatural at all costs and with any means necessary, even if it paints you into an irrational, hypocritical position full of obvious double-standards – such as sweeping denials of evidence and requiring “extraordinary” evidence where it suits them, and simply ignoring it when the logical contradictions of your defense are pointed out.


Comment 18

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2016,09:32   

That guy should get a job in a movie theater. He'd be great as a ... (fill in the blank)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2016,09:56   

Quote (Henry J @ June 24 2016,09:32)
That guy should get a job in a movie theater. He'd be great as a ... (fill in the blank)

Scraping gum off the bottom of the chairs?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2016,10:06   

Projectionist.  :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2016,10:39   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 24 2016,09:23)
Turn off your irony meters before you read this. The overload may be dangerous.

William Murray:
   
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One of the things I’ve noticed about many who come here to argue against the home team is that many appear to share the same inability to recognize and process certain kinds of abstract arguments. It really is as if they are biological automatons processing sequences of words and failing to comprehend the abstract concept those words are referring to.

Additionally, they appear to be not at all interested in any kind of internal, reflective self-criticism about the nature of their worldview. Such points as are presented here were of keen interest to me when I first visited this site many years ago and I changed many of my views as a result. I’m always on the lookout for problems with my worldview so I can correct or abandon them.

But, most of our interlocutors here seem only to care about defending their views, not actually examining them, which leads them to say self-contradictory or logically absurd things. They don’t even care if their defense remains logically coherent in itself, or if they portray their views with any consistency at all.

They appear often to have a single focus: deny theism, deny the supernatural at all costs and with any means necessary, even if it paints you into an irrational, hypocritical position full of obvious double-standards – such as sweeping denials of evidence and requiring “extraordinary” evidence where it suits them, and simply ignoring it when the logical contradictions of your defense are pointed out.


Comment 18

Murray, paraphrased:

 
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If you don't share the mind-rot that I believe in, obviously you're just a closed-minded bigot.


To be fair to him, he does seem to shift around from one dumbfuck idea to another dumbfuck idea more than most of the IDiots do.  There just doesn't seem to be much thought or self-reflection involved--more like an attempt to arm himself with whatever superficially appears able to harm the enemy du jour.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2016,10:55   

From comment 21, WJM again:

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But, it’s like they just don’t care how bad their argument is or how significant the available evidence is; they don’t care that their worldview refutes their capacity to claim knowledge or discern truth; they just shrug it off and keep on trotting out the same denialist tropes, unsupportable assertions and inane strings of words over and over as if they’ve meaningfully rebutted the opposition.


That's ok, Bill, you don't have to understand the fairly simple problems with your naive views.  You can just rant at the bad guys until you die, stupid to the end.  The grave will take you all the same.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2016,17:41   

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ID theory itself says nothing about the identity or nature of any supposed designer; it only about recognizing patterns that signify that some form of intelligence was involved in the design/configuration of the phenomena.
SETI's like ID

Yes, if plants are found on a planet orbiting Tau Ceti, they'd conclude that aliens must have designed them.

Ha ha, like they'd ever conclude that anything created "natural life" that wasn't God.  In one sense, they are actually saying something about the designer, which is that it doesn't design like humans, it doesn't make designs like any alien designs that we'd actually recognize as being made by intelligent agents (if aliens happen to make living things that appear evolved, like those on earth, we simply couldn't detect that kind of design), and that it must be beyond any intelligence that we could understand.  Indeed, they "determine design" by noting functional complexity that isn't like what humans make (one of their tacit premises), thus assuming that it's done by a being quite unlike ourselves.

But it could be a god-like alien, after all.  Just an inscrutable extremely intelligent being that somehow fails to make any rational leaps to, say, put hawk-like eyes in humans, or give radio communications to animals (including humans), and that can realize how all of the proteins will interact within a body.  Why would anyone think it's God, and not aliens creating analogously to humans--except, of course, for the many ways in which it isn't like human design at all?

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2016,18:38   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ June 25 2016,17:41)
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ID theory itself says nothing about the identity or nature of any supposed designer; it only about recognizing patterns that signify that some form of intelligence was involved in the design/configuration of the phenomena.
SETI's like ID

Yes, if plants are found on a planet orbiting Tau Ceti, they'd conclude that aliens must have designed them.

Ha ha, like they'd ever conclude that anything created "natural life" that wasn't God.  In one sense, they are actually saying something about the designer, which is that it doesn't design like humans, it doesn't make designs like any alien designs that we'd actually recognize as being made by intelligent agents (if aliens happen to make living things that appear evolved, like those on earth, we simply couldn't detect that kind of design), and that it must be beyond any intelligence that we could understand.  Indeed, they "determine design" by noting functional complexity that isn't like what humans make (one of their tacit premises), thus assuming that it's done by a being quite unlike ourselves.

But it could be a god-like alien, after all.  Just an inscrutable extremely intelligent being that somehow fails to make any rational leaps to, say, put hawk-like eyes in humans, or give radio communications to animals (including humans), and that can realize how all of the proteins will interact within a body.  Why would anyone think it's God, and not aliens creating analogously to humans--except, of course, for the many ways in which it isn't like human design at all?

Glen Davidson

Can you imagine those guys discovering they (and their objective morality) were created by aliens?  Gay aliens, perhaps?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2016,19:02   

Quote (Texas Teach @ June 25 2016,19:38)
Can you imagine those guys discovering they (and their objective morality) were created by aliens?  Gay aliens, perhaps?

The idea of a gay jesus hopping out of a flying saucer and telling Gordon, "Sweetie, my commandment is for you to shake that money maker!"


...I'd probably hear his aneurysm from here.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2016,20:38   

[quote]bornagain77June 25, 2016 at 7:17 pm
as to

“Artie, Magna Charta, Arcartia Bogart.

Methinks I smell a weasel.”

Yep

for whom the bell tolls

link

Boy, I must have really pissed them off as acartia bogart. Now that batshitcrazy77 is on the case, Artie and Magna charta are not long for the UD world. And the irony is, I am not either of them.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on June 26 2016,23:30

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2016,08:39   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ June 24 2016,10:39)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 24 2016,09:23)
Turn off your irony meters before you read this. The overload may be dangerous.

William Murray:
     
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One of the things I’ve noticed about many who come here to argue against the home team is that many appear to share the same inability to recognize and process certain kinds of abstract arguments. It really is as if they are biological automatons processing sequences of words and failing to comprehend the abstract concept those words are referring to.

Additionally, they appear to be not at all interested in any kind of internal, reflective self-criticism about the nature of their worldview. Such points as are presented here were of keen interest to me when I first visited this site many years ago and I changed many of my views as a result. I’m always on the lookout for problems with my worldview so I can correct or abandon them.

But, most of our interlocutors here seem only to care about defending their views, not actually examining them, which leads them to say self-contradictory or logically absurd things. They don’t even care if their defense remains logically coherent in itself, or if they portray their views with any consistency at all.

They appear often to have a single focus: deny theism, deny the supernatural at all costs and with any means necessary, even if it paints you into an irrational, hypocritical position full of obvious double-standards – such as sweeping denials of evidence and requiring “extraordinary” evidence where it suits them, and simply ignoring it when the logical contradictions of your defense are pointed out.


Comment 18

Murray, paraphrased:

     
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If you don't share the mind-rot that I believe in, obviously you're just a closed-minded bigot.


To be fair to him, he does seem to shift around from one dumbfuck idea to another dumbfuck idea more than most of the IDiots do.  There just doesn't seem to be much thought or self-reflection involved--more like an attempt to arm himself with whatever superficially appears able to harm the enemy du jour.

Glen Davidson


My favorite bit is this ...

 
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I’m always on the lookout for problems with my worldview so I can correct or abandon them.


Says the guy who on more than one occasion quite clearly stated that he doesn't really care whether or not his beliefs are true, only that they are useful to him.

Good grief.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2016,09:25   

Quote (Lethean @ June 26 2016,09:39)
My favorite bit is this ...

 
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I’m always on the lookout for problems with my worldview so I can correct or abandon them.


Says the guy who on more than one occasion quite clearly stated that he doesn't really care whether or not his beliefs are true, only that they are useful to him.

Good grief.

I know someone else who was on the lookout:


   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2016,14:52   

Batshitcrazy77 star his monumentally stupid best:
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Perhaps MC would like to explain this without reference to the supernatural?

There is fairly strong evidence that photosynthesis goes all the way back to the first life:

Yet photosynthesis is dependent on quantum coherence for photon transfer.

To be clear, quantum coherence, like quantum entanglement, is a ‘non-local’, beyond space and time, effect.

As a Theist, I have a beyond space and time cause to appeal to explain non-local photosynthesis, whereas the materialist has none to appeal to.


I left out the copy pasta for scroll-wheel conservation purposes.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2016,20:14   

Quote (Lethean @ June 26 2016,08:39)
 
Quote (Glen Davidson @ June 24 2016,10:39)
     
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 24 2016,09:23)
Turn off your irony meters before you read this. The overload may be dangerous.

William Murray:
         
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One of the things I’ve noticed about many who come here to argue against the home team is that many appear to share the same inability to recognize and process certain kinds of abstract arguments. It really is as if they are biological automatons processing sequences of words and failing to comprehend the abstract concept those words are referring to.

Additionally, they appear to be not at all interested in any kind of internal, reflective self-criticism about the nature of their worldview. Such points as are presented here were of keen interest to me when I first visited this site many years ago and I changed many of my views as a result. I’m always on the lookout for problems with my worldview so I can correct or abandon them.

But, most of our interlocutors here seem only to care about defending their views, not actually examining them, which leads them to say self-contradictory or logically absurd things. They don’t even care if their defense remains logically coherent in itself, or if they portray their views with any consistency at all.

They appear often to have a single focus: deny theism, deny the supernatural at all costs and with any means necessary, even if it paints you into an irrational, hypocritical position full of obvious double-standards – such as sweeping denials of evidence and requiring “extraordinary” evidence where it suits them, and simply ignoring it when the logical contradictions of your defense are pointed out.


Comment 18

Murray, paraphrased:

         
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If you don't share the mind-rot that I believe in, obviously you're just a closed-minded bigot.


To be fair to him, he does seem to shift around from one dumbfuck idea to another dumbfuck idea more than most of the IDiots do.  There just doesn't seem to be much thought or self-reflection involved--more like an attempt to arm himself with whatever superficially appears able to harm the enemy du jour.

Glen Davidson


My favorite bit is this ...

     
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I’m always on the lookout for problems with my worldview so I can correct or abandon them.

Says the guy who on more than one occasion quite clearly stated that he doesn't really care whether or not his beliefs are true, only that they are useful to him.

Well, he does look for "problems with [his] worldview". It's just that those "problems" do not include such things as lack of correspondence to external reality.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2016,09:24   

William explaining to rvb8 about his spirituality.
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There are much better presentations of Christianity to be offered by Augustine or C.S. Lewis. On the whole, IMO Christian faith for the masses is a good thing because I just don’t think everyone is capable of such rational and introspective analysis;

Arrogance at 103

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2016,11:47   

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CharlesJune 27, 2016 at 10:22 am
Barry Arrington:

The problem is structural. It isn’t going to change. You/we are arguing, best case, with intellectually dishonest people (against whom one can sharpen one’s arguments albeit with diminishing returns), or worst case (e.g. MatSpirit) with intellectual adolescents whose entire intellectual experience is predicated and reinforced (dulled) by their uniformed, uncritical, intellectually adolescent, like-minded peers.

They are like children who when caught by their mothers with cookie crumbs on their lips and hands, blame the dog, because blaming the dog works with their adolescent friends and they have no clue as to how many levels higher their mother operates.

It is entertaining to a point, but like sitcom reruns, we all know the punch lines and the laugh track just doesn’t get it done in heavy rotation.

UD needs a better class of loser.


linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2016,12:22   

Quote (stevestory @ June 27 2016,11:47)
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CharlesJune 27, 2016 at 10:22 am
Barry Arrington:

The problem is structural. It isn’t going to change. You/we are arguing, best case, with intellectually dishonest people (against whom one can sharpen one’s arguments albeit with diminishing returns), or worst case (e.g. MatSpirit) with intellectual adolescents whose entire intellectual experience is predicated and reinforced (dulled) by their uniformed, uncritical, intellectually adolescent, like-minded peers.

They are like children who when caught by their mothers with cookie crumbs on their lips and hands, blame the dog, because blaming the dog works with their adolescent friends and they have no clue as to how many levels higher their mother operates.

It is entertaining to a point, but like sitcom reruns, we all know the punch lines and the laugh track just doesn’t get it done in heavy rotation.

UD needs a better class of loser.


linky

I don't know. I think that UD already has an exceptional class of losers. Barry, Gordon, William, StephenB, Mung. Could it really get much better than that?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2016,14:28   

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Design is just like the Fossil Record
June 27, 2016 Posted by PaV under Intelligent Design


poor dumb PaV

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2016,14:42   

Quote (stevestory @ June 27 2016,14:28)
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Design is just like the Fossil Record
June 27, 2016 Posted by PaV under Intelligent Design


poor dumb PaV

The title just below it:

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On Gritting Your Teeth and Sticking to a Narrative


Yup, just grit your teeth and tell yourself that, say, cladistics would work the same way with electric autos as with organisms.

No need to face the truth.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2016,17:40   

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MatSpiritJune 27, 2016 at 4:33 pm
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Eric: “Well, that is quite a story – from the alleged, hypothetical, never-before-seen self-replicating molecule, to the claim that extrinsic information would just “evolve” naturally.”

Mat: “If I understand correctly, the ID story is that some unidentified, undetectable supernatural agent acting at a time and place unknown arranged matter into patterns that are living creatures. For some reason, He made an inordinately large percentage of the animals that are big enough to be seen with the naked eye beetles. Every organism he originally made is extinct now, but new ones (also made by Him) have replaced them. About half of the organisms He made, including the malaria organism which preys mainly on children, make their living by killing and eating the other half of the organisms He made. Most curious of all, this supernatural being did His work in such a way as to make it look like evolution did it.”

Now what part of that do you disagree with?

UD Editors: *Palm Forehead* Even after it has been pointed out, you persist in your error. Do please take some time to familiarize yourself with ID theory. KF has provided your some help above.

Barry, could you be so kind as to actually point out their errors you think I’m making? What part of what I wrote conflicts with what part of ID theory?

Are you saying that the Intelligent designer didn’t actually create life? I doubt that.

Are you saying that the majority of all animals big enough to see are not beetles?

Are you saying that all the early species are not extinct today, along with the vast majority of all species that have ever lived?

Are you denying that half the organisms today make their living by killing and eating other organisms?

Are you denying Michael Behe when he says the Intelligent Designer designed the malaria virus?

If you don’t want to talk about it (I understand), could you at least indicate which of the above violates the principles of ID?

I ask these questions mainly to give you a chance to get out of the embarrassing situation you’ve put yourself in. To someone who hasn’t drunk the ID Koolaid, it looks like a couple of sentences I wrote caught your eye and instead of reading the context to see what I meant, you rushed into print with a really bad quote mine.

If you can at least show the readers which principles of ID I’ve missunderstood, it will help vindicate you. Just repeating your claim makes it look like you’ve dug yourself into a hole and can’t get out.


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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2016,18:21   

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MatSpiritJune 27, 2016 at 4:33 pm
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Eric: “Well, that is quite a story – from the alleged, hypothetical, never-before-seen self-replicating molecule, to the claim that extrinsic information would just “evolve” naturally.”

Mat: “If I understand correctly, the ID story is that some unidentified, undetectable supernatural agent acting at a time and place unknown arranged matter into patterns that are living creatures. For some reason, He made an inordinately large percentage of the animals that are big enough to be seen with the naked eye beetles. Every organism he originally made is extinct now, but new ones (also made by Him) have replaced them. About half of the organisms He made, including the malaria organism which preys mainly on children, make their living by killing and eating the other half of the organisms He made. Most curious of all, this supernatural being did His work in such a way as to make it look like evolution did it.”

Now what part of that do you disagree with?

UD Editors: *Palm Forehead* Even after it has been pointed out, you persist in your error. Do please take some time to familiarize yourself with ID theory. KF has provided your some help above.

Barry, could you be so kind as to actually point out their errors you think I’m making? What part of what I wrote conflicts with what part of ID theory?

Are you saying that the Intelligent designer didn’t actually create life? I doubt that.

Are you saying that the majority of all animals big enough to see are not beetles?

Are you saying that all the early species are not extinct today, along with the vast majority of all species that have ever lived?

Are you denying that half the organisms today make their living by killing and eating other organisms?

Are you denying Michael Behe when he says the Intelligent Designer designed the malaria virus?

If you don’t want to talk about it (I understand), could you at least indicate which of the above violates the principles of ID?

I ask these questions mainly to give you a chance to get out of the embarrassing situation you’ve put yourself in. To someone who hasn’t drunk the ID Koolaid, it looks like a couple of sentences I wrote caught your eye and instead of reading the context to see what I meant, you rushed into print with a really bad quote mine.

If you can at least show the readers which principles of ID I’ve missunderstood, it will help vindicate you. Just repeating your claim makes it look like you’ve dug yourself into a hole and can’t get out.


linky

Well, Artie has gone silent. And so has Magna Charta. Can MatSpirit be far behind? Of rvb8?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2016,18:40   

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QueriusJune 27, 2016 at 5:26 pm
How about an experiment that even evolutionists can do if they don’t chicken out?
{snip}
yes, you read that correctly. An ID supporter making fun of the scientific community for being unwilling to do experiments.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2016,18:47   

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QueriusJune 27, 2016 at 5:26 pm
How about an experiment that even evolutionists can do if they don’t chicken out?
{snip}
yes, you read that correctly. An ID supporter making fun of the scientific community for being unwilling to do experiments.

Has batshitcrazy77 asked for evolve's bannination yet?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2016,01:32   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ June 27 2016,14:42)
       
Quote (stevestory @ June 27 2016,14:28)
         
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Design is just like the Fossil Record
June 27, 2016 Posted by PaV under Intelligent Design


poor dumb PaV

The title just below it:

         
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On Gritting Your Teeth and Sticking to a Narrative


Yup, just grit your teeth and tell yourself that, say, cladistics would work the same way with electric autos as with organisms.

No need to face the truth.

Glen Davidson

That Gritting Your Teeth thread is the Triumph of Dunning-Kruger.  And it's a spinoff from the Gobsmackingly-stupid-things-atheists-say-example thread where Barry proves he doesn't understand logic.

       
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Jason Rosenhouse writes:

We certainly do not know a priori that piles of bricks do not form images of imaginary unicorns, and it is not logically impossible that they do.

Apparently Barry has deduced that Jesus can't move a pile of bricks to form an image of an imaginary unicorn while staying invisible himself and its logically impossible for him to do so.  Unless Barry's wrong, but that's impossible because he knows he's right.

Gobsmackingly Barry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2016,09:07   

WOW

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MatSpiritJune 27, 2016 at 11:00 pm
Bill Cole @53: “Origenes very articulately explained what the inference of ID is.”

Actually, I just went over all his messages and all he said about the inference of ID is that the Designer could be an intelligent alien. I don’t dispute that.

What I said was not about who or what the Designer is. My point is that whatever the Designer is, if He is responsible for life on earth, then He created an inordinate number of beetles, a system where half the organisms kill and eat the other half and an especially nasty microorganism that kills about a million children a year.

Again, the point is not about who or what the Designer is. That doesn’t matter. God, space alien, no matter.

My point is that whatever the Designer turns out to be, if He’s intelligent and made life like this deliberately then he makes ISIS look like pikers.

On the other hand, if the Designer is an unintelligent natural process then its like an earthquake or typhoon. There’s literally no one to blame.


:D

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2016,11:51   

Barry is simply incapable of telling the truth:

Calling democrats fascist, he says:
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A plank calling for criminal prosecution of anyone who dissent’s from “the scientific reality of climate change” was adopted with unanimous consent.  Progressives do not tolerate dissent even from calling for the persecution of dissenters.


Criminal prosecution of anyone who dissents.

Reality, from the platform that Barry himself provides the link to:
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Another joint proposal calling on the Department of Justice to investigate alleged corporate fraud on the part of fossil fuel companies who have reportedly misled shareholders and the public on the scientific reality of climate change was also adopted by unanimous consent.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....erneath

Edited by REC on June 28 2016,11:52

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2016,17:52   

Rvb8, evolve and MatSpirit, have not posted in a while. If I didn't know better I would suspect __.

Fill in the blank.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2016,18:11   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 28 2016,17:52)
Rvb8, evolve and MatSpirit, have not posted in a while. If I didn't know better I would suspect __.

Fill in the blank.

On the ground stalking special forces squad in Montserrat.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2016,18:28   

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wd400 has the right of it. “Investigat[ing] alleged corporate fraud on the part of fossil fuel companies” does not equal “criminal prosecution of anyone who dissent’s [sic].” Arrington has misrepresented what the document actually says in a way that makes it sound much broader than it actually is. Lied, in other words.


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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2016,19:24   

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Christianity is built on the fact that we live in a fallen world where death exists.

If no death existed, how in blue blazes could Christ ever defeat death?

Guess who.

Edited to add: Ten or twenty years ago I read about a death penalty debate in some conservative state and according to the article, a pro-death state legislator actually asked, "Where would we be today if Jesus Christ had gotten ten to fifteen for sedition?"
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Edited by CeilingCat on June 29 2016,00:23

  
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