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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2016,08:54   

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Mung March 20, 2016 at 3:32 pm
A reminder for Patrick:

…do not accuse other posters of being deliberately misleading.

It’s in the rules and it doesn’t get any plainer than that.


it's against the rules to point out my dishonesty!!!!!111

   
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2016,09:06   

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 22 2016,08:54)
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Mung March 20, 2016 at 3:32 pm
A reminder for Patrick:

…do not accuse other posters of being deliberately misleading.

It’s in the rules and it doesn’t get any plainer than that.


it's against the rules to point out my dishonesty!!!!!111

Isn't it also wrong to have socks? coughFrankiecough

I note he still doesn't understand the difference between an intelligently designed system and the non-intelligently designed results of that system.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2016,10:43   

http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....-116732

"The post-ID research doesn’t have anything to do with ID, so how can providing details for it help ID?"

Joe Gallien, Fat fool.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2016,11:35   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 22 2016,18:43)
http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....-....-116732

"The post-ID research doesn’t have anything to do with ID, so how can providing details for it help ID?"

Joe Gallien, Fat fool.

Congrats Richard! You and the TSZ crew have been providing a magnificent show leading the creo-tards around the circus ring by their noses. It seems like an otherworldly noir circus exhibiting grossly deformed almost extinct creatures whose skulls are misshapen from them gnawing at their own logical fallacies.

Nice touch sending Joe's/Frankie's/Virgil's tourettic outbursts to guano. I would make him post there permanently until he ponies up with his proof of P(A|0)=0. Still that would spoil all the fun. He should be around there for a while since he won't get down on his knees and fluff Barry at UD for posting privileges. Whats happening at UD now anyway?

Mung seems to have gone back to to the manger in a hissy fit for being called out for being a shining wit. That guy makes donkeys glad they're donkeys and not asses.

eta:fix spellz

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2016,13:25   

Credit to Woodbine for the assembly:

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People want to know what happens if ID wins. What scientific research will ID spawn?

That’s easy – for starters post-ID research doesn’t have anything to do with ID.


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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2016,13:34   

I bow down to all your bonfires of tard.

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"ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus
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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2016,12:41   

Slimy Sal is quietly eating noisily gnashing crow linky

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"ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus
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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2016,11:32   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 22 2016,10:43)
http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....-....-116732

"The post-ID research doesn’t have anything to do with ID, so how can providing details for it help ID?"

Joe Gallien, Fat fool.

More ID brilliance from Chubs over at his place:

   
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Joe G:  Let's see- ID is the detection and study of intelligent design in nature. Contrasted with post-ID research that deals with the who, how, when, where, why and everything else that follows from the first.

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Ghostrider: How do the questions

Who did the Intelligent Design?
How was the Intelligent Design done?
When was the Intelligent Design done?
Where was the Intelligent Design done?
Why was the Intelligent Design done?

...not have anything to do with Intelligent Design?

 
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Joe G:  They are separate questions from what ID asks, just as Dembski wrote. How do those questions have anything to do with the detection and study of intelligent design in nature? Do we have to have those answers before we cam determine intelligent design exists? No, we do not.

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Ghostrider: You say ID is about the detection AND STUDY of design in nature. How do those five questions above not qualify as a STUDY of the design?

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Joe G: Make your case, coward. How will studying the design help us identify the designer?


Emphasis mine.  Chubs is the gift that keeps on giving.   :D

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2016,13:01   

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Joe G: Make your case, coward. How will studying the design help us identify the designer?


He already has the wavelength  ....er god  designer?

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Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2016,13:08   

So, when moderation is sorted out, can we look forward to better-moderated discussions on moderation?

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SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G

BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

  
Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2016,16:18   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ April 11 2016,13:08)
So, when moderation is sorted out, can we look forward to better-moderated discussions on moderation?

Moderately better.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2016,09:49   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ April 11 2016,13:08)
So, when moderation is sorted out, can we look forward to better-moderated discussions on moderation?

All moderation all the time.

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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2016,09:56   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ April 11 2016,13:08)
So, when moderation is sorted out, can we look forward to better-moderated discussions on moderation?

I'll bring up that question wherever moderation is discussed, that is, in every thread.  

In that way I hope to moderate the moderators' moderation of moderate discussions of moderation.

Glen Davidson

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2016,10:03   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ April 12 2016,09:56)
Quote (Soapy Sam @ April 11 2016,13:08)
So, when moderation is sorted out, can we look forward to better-moderated discussions on moderation?

I'll bring up that question wherever moderation is discussed, that is, in every thread.  

In that way I hope to moderate the moderators' moderation of moderate discussions of moderation.

Glen Davidson

Moderation in all things — including moderation.

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Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2016,17:25   

In the field of economics, Gresham's Law says that "bad money drives out good money". It's pretty clear that an analogous phenomenon applies to online forums; I don't think anybody has given it a formal name, but it could be expressed as "the presence of assholes tends to eliminate intellectual discourse."

Looks to me like TSZ is becoming a data-point in support of this proposition.

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2016,17:59   

Quote (Cubist @ April 12 2016,17:25)
In the field of economics, Gresham's Law says that "bad money drives out good money". It's pretty clear that an analogous phenomenon applies to online forums; I don't think anybody has given it a formal name, but it could be expressed as "the presence of assholes tends to eliminate intellectual discourse."

Looks to me like TSZ is becoming a data-point in support of this proposition.

The ferment that chew-toys bring, though, needs to be included in the analysis. Perhaps fora lightly salted with, ahem, those sorts of people work best?

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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2016,18:14   

Quote (Cubist @ April 12 2016,17:25)
In the field of economics, Gresham's Law says that "bad money drives out good money". It's pretty clear that an analogous phenomenon applies to online forums; I don't think anybody has given it a formal name, but it could be expressed as "the presence of assholes tends to eliminate intellectual discourse."

Looks to me like TSZ is becoming a data-point in support of this proposition.

The same thing is happening right now at Corny Hunter's place.  Louis Savain / Mapou and Chubby Joke G both took up residence after being banned from UD.  They've turned every thread into a shit flinging and cursing spectacle, effectively killing any discussion between the few people there trying to have a reasonable conversation.  The funny thing (both ha ha and ironic) is that Corny doesn't seem to care a bit as long as he keeps getting web hits.

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"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic."
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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2016,22:29   

Quote (Zachriel @ April 12 2016,08:03)
Quote (Glen Davidson @ April 12 2016,09:56)
 
Quote (Soapy Sam @ April 11 2016,13:08)
So, when moderation is sorted out, can we look forward to better-moderated discussions on moderation?

I'll bring up that question wherever moderation is discussed, that is, in every thread.  

In that way I hope to moderate the moderators' moderation of moderate discussions of moderation.

Glen Davidson

Moderation in all things — including moderation.

Moderation in all things? Doesn't that seem, you know... immoderate?

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"[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory

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Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2016,14:55   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 12 2016,17:59)
 
Quote (Cubist @ April 12 2016,17:25)
In the field of economics, Gresham's Law says that "bad money drives out good money". It's pretty clear that an analogous phenomenon applies to online forums; I don't think anybody has given it a formal name, but it could be expressed as "the presence of assholes tends to eliminate intellectual discourse."

Looks to me like TSZ is becoming a data-point in support of this proposition.

The ferment that chew-toys bring, though, needs to be included in the analysis. Perhaps fora lightly salted with, ahem, those sorts of people work best?

Mmmm… maybe. I suspect that the key is active moderation, with moderators who are willing and able to ban a troll's obnoxious ass when merited by said troll's behavior. I'm pretty sure an old USENET hand like yerself, Wes, can recall any number of unmoderated newsgroups whose decline into substance-free irrelevance are datapoints in support of the "assholes kill discourse" thesis?

TSZ's moderation is very, very light. To a first approximation, TSZ doesn't ban anybody; the one-and-only banned-at-TSZ person is JoeG, and even he didn't get hit with the banhammer until after he posted a blatantly pornographic image. It will be interesting to see how long TSZ can maintain its current level of discourse.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2016,22:15   

Quote (Cubist @ April 13 2016,14:55)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 12 2016,17:59)
   
Quote (Cubist @ April 12 2016,17:25)
In the field of economics, Gresham's Law says that "bad money drives out good money". It's pretty clear that an analogous phenomenon applies to online forums; I don't think anybody has given it a formal name, but it could be expressed as "the presence of assholes tends to eliminate intellectual discourse."

Looks to me like TSZ is becoming a data-point in support of this proposition.

The ferment that chew-toys bring, though, needs to be included in the analysis. Perhaps fora lightly salted with, ahem, those sorts of people work best?

Mmmm… maybe. I suspect that the key is active moderation, with moderators who are willing and able to ban a troll's obnoxious ass when merited by said troll's behavior. I'm pretty sure an old USENET hand like yerself, Wes, can recall any number of unmoderated newsgroups whose decline into substance-free irrelevance are datapoints in support of the "assholes kill discourse" thesis?

TSZ's moderation is very, very light. To a first approximation, TSZ doesn't ban anybody; the one-and-only banned-at-TSZ person is JoeG, and even he didn't get hit with the banhammer until after he posted a blatantly pornographic image. It will be interesting to see how long TSZ can maintain its current level of discourse.

Does Mung ever do anything during his waking hours besides troll TSZ?  He must make 50% of the posts there at least.

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic."
"Jews and Christians are Muslims."

- Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

  
Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2016,04:04   

To be fair though, it's not Mung that's turning TSZ into a he-said-she-said-will-the-honourable-gentleman-retract-fest.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2016,07:40   

It's true. Other than being habitually wrong about everything, Mung has been well behaved lately.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2016,09:57   

Quote (midwifetoad @ April 14 2016,15:40)
It's true. Other than being habitually wrong about everything, Mung has been well behaved lately.

Only because while the adults are squabbling he is being ignored.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2016,10:13   

Maybe Mung feels at home at TSZ while the big kids are discussing philosophy, he's been quoting Nietzsche after all.

k.e.. breaks forth wall
Mung a message from the speaker in the ceiling.  



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Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2016,15:15   

Quote (midwifetoad @ April 14 2016,07:40)
It's true. Other than being habitually wrong about everything, Mung has been well behaved lately.

Relatively well-behaved—according to the standards of conduct instantiated in his own posts.

  
Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2016,19:31   

[/quote]


What - as in ... better? I'll get me coat.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2016,21:36   

As in less expensive?

  
Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2016,09:13   

Quote (fnxtr @ April 12 2016,22:29)
Quote (Zachriel @ April 12 2016,08:03)
 
Quote (Glen Davidson @ April 12 2016,09:56)
 
Quote (Soapy Sam @ April 11 2016,13:08)
So, when moderation is sorted out, can we look forward to better-moderated discussions on moderation?

I'll bring up that question wherever moderation is discussed, that is, in every thread.  

In that way I hope to moderate the moderators' moderation of moderate discussions of moderation.

Glen Davidson

Moderation in all things — including moderation.

Moderation in all things? Doesn't that seem, you know... immoderate?

Moderately moderate.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2016,10:04   

Is there such a thing as excessive moderation?

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: April 18 2016,13:30   

Quote (Henry J @ April 17 2016,10:04)
Is there such a thing as excessive moderation?

In my experience, moderation is generally regarded as excessive if it happens to oneself, and is too permissive if it does not happen to others.

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