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ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,06:32   

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From the early days of the streetwise religion:

Mötley Crüe - Wild Side (Official Music Video)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nm1BJPe-pg


Of course, it's all about the science!

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With a congregation like that my mission became a "be careful what you wish for" situation that equally applies to the Discovery Institute.


I'm sure that inside Gaulin's brain this makes some sort of sense.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,06:54   

That seems likely, although we'll skip past speculation on which body part his brain is actually inserted into.

The obsession with absurd, and absurdly irrelevant, music videos is odd.  He really only needs the one -- Still Crazy After All These Years.
I'll leave it to him to find the video.  Its appropriateness is inarguable.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,07:03   

Over at Sandwalk, Judmarc correctly diagnoses Gary's problem: "What you have is a crackpot obsession, not a theory".

Gary doesn't know enough to know that he doesn't know enough.  At this point, I'm not sure which will be more tragic: when the realization of his fundamental errors finally sinks in, or his dying without ever coming to that realization.

Gary, just concentrate on something more productive.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,07:19   

Quote (N.Wells @ May 28 2016,08:03)
Over at Sandwalk, Judmarc correctly diagnoses Gary's problem: "What you have is a crackpot obsession, not a theory".

Gary doesn't know enough to know that he doesn't know enough.  At this point, I'm not sure which will be more tragic: when the realization of his fundamental errors finally sinks in, or dying without ever coming to that realization.

Gary, just concentrate on something more productive.

I think we all know which of those two options is the more probable and which falls far far below the 'universal probability bounds' that certain ID fanatics thinks means 'impossible'.

Gary could easily take up a more productive hobby.  He could sit in a corner and collect dust.  That would be more useful, more productive, and no less remunerative than his current obsession.  It could also be engaged in without temporarily inconveniencing billions of electrons as he currently does.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,11:27   

Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that: there may have been an insufficient investigation, and therefore there is insufficient information to prove the proposition be either true or false.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,11:34   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 28 2016,12:27)
Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that: there may have been an insufficient investigation, and therefore there is insufficient information to prove the proposition be either true or false.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Perfectly self-descriptive of one aspect of your obsessive delusion.

Your "theory" is proven false by the formal logical fallacy of vicious circularity.

You are unable even to divide up the world nor any multi-membered subset thereof into those things best expained by intelligent causes and those best explained by non-intelligent causes.

Epic fail, same as it ever was, you pathetic loser.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,12:31   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 28 2016,11:27)
Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that: there may have been an insufficient investigation, and therefore there is insufficient information to prove the proposition be either true or false.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Gary, that is what you do.  It is your ultimate line of argument.

   
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It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa).


For example, from you, recently over at Sandwalk,      
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If you cannot find a problem with the testable model and theory I have then I won.


The last sentence of your very own quote demonstrates why this is a colossal failure of thinking on your part (as we've been telling you every time you try to pull this stunt).  How can you be so blazingly stupid about this?

More broadly, since you almost never say anything without revealing jaw-dropping levels of ignorance on your part, almost everything that you present constitutes arguing from [a position of] ignorance, sensu lato.

(All this is quite apart from the fact that almost everyone who has encountered your nonsense has identified numerous problems with it, which you never acknowledge or do anything about.  At this point you are pretty much indistinguishable from the Black Knight at the end of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....j8KpuJw )

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,13:05   

I just saw a rebroadcast of this on CPTV:

www.pbs.org/show/life-fire/

It was an excellent must-see video series!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,13:08   

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I just saw a rebroadcast of this on CPTV:

www.pbs.org/show/life-fire/

It was an excellent must-see video series!

How about you just concentrate on defending your pile of not-a-theory, or go and do something completely different and more productive, rather than trying to stall and evade?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,13:13   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 28 2016,09:27)
Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that: there may have been an insufficient investigation, and therefore there is insufficient information to prove the proposition be either true or false.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Gary has finally made his contribution to science.  We now know that self-awareness, like temperature, has an absolute zero.

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There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,13:36   

Quote (JohnW @ May 28 2016,13:13)
   
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 28 2016,09:27)
Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that: there may have been an insufficient investigation, and therefore there is insufficient information to prove the proposition be either true or false.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Gary has finally made his contribution to science.  We now know that self-awareness, like temperature, has an absolute zero.

What a great concept!  

Could this advance open up a rich potential for explanations for achieving impenetrability and extreme density under conditions of superstupidity, due to the formation of Bozo-Beerstein condensates?

Note that as Self-awareness approaches zero, so does Contributions to Science.  I'm anticipating that these may turn out to be two different manifestations of the Weak Farce, completely unified at the Gaulin ground state.

:)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,13:38   

Quote (NoName @ May 28 2016,12:34)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 28 2016,12:27)
Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that: there may have been an insufficient investigation, and therefore there is insufficient information to prove the proposition be either true or false.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Perfectly self-descriptive of one aspect of your obsessive delusion.

Your "theory" is proven false by the formal logical fallacy of vicious circularity.

You are unable even to divide up the world nor any multi-membered subset thereof into those things best expained by intelligent causes and those best explained by non-intelligent causes.

Epic fail, same as it ever was, you pathetic loser.

Lest you miss the actual sharp end of this stick, as you are certain to do, let me elaborate on why you get not just an 'epic fail' flag next to your name but an 'epic moron' blazon as well.

Your failure to be able to specify a rule or method by which specific features of the universe best explained by intelligent cause could be identified as such, your failure to even enumerate any specific features of the universe that are best explained by intelligent cause, combines with the circularity of your explanation in a perfect storm of stupid.
Here's how -- we would ordinarily expect that a notion that is viciously circular would at least be applicable across its range of targets.
You can't specify such a range.  You can't specify a means by which such a range could be specified or identified.
We, on the other hand, have enumerated a variety of features of the universe widely held to be best explained by intelligent cause.  We don't claim it is exhaustive, we don't need to.
Despite its vicious circularity, your ridiculous little "theory" cannot account for these features!
I refer, of course, to the generation of theories, the composition of melodies, the recognition of melodies when transposed into a previously unheard key, the crafting of the plot for a novel, the ability to plan, to forecast likely outcomes, to learn, to forget and later remember, etc., etc., etc.

And that, Mr. Gaulin, is why you are treated with scorn and contempt wherever you go.  Or at least wherever you go that they deign to even take note of you.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,13:40   

Quote (N.Wells @ May 28 2016,14:36)
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Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 28 2016,09:27)
Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that: there may have been an insufficient investigation, and therefore there is insufficient information to prove the proposition be either true or false.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Gary has finally made his contribution to science.  We now know that self-awareness, like temperature, has an absolute zero.

What a great concept!  

Could this advance open up a rich potential for explanations for achieving impenetrability and extreme density under conditions of superstupidity, due to the formation of Bozo-Beerstein condensates?

Well, it could, but Beerstein does not appear to be a contributor to this mess.
Gary's gone stone-cold stupid all by himself, the product (if one dare call it such) of such a complete lack of ability and awareness that it might as well be treated as a singularity.
One certainly hopes, fervently, that it is singular.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,14:00   

ROSETTA'S COMET CONTAINS INGREDIENTS FOR LIFE
sci.esa.int/rosetta/57858-rosettas-comet-contains-ingredients-for-life/

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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,14:16   

Quote (NoName @ May 28 2016,13:40)
     
Quote (N.Wells @ May 28 2016,14:36)
       
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Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 28 2016,09:27)
Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that: there may have been an insufficient investigation, and therefore there is insufficient information to prove the proposition be either true or false.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Gary has finally made his contribution to science.  We now know that self-awareness, like temperature, has an absolute zero.

What a great concept!  

Could this advance open up a rich potential for explanations for achieving impenetrability and extreme density under conditions of superstupidity, due to the formation of Bozo-Beerstein condensates?

Well, it could, but Beerstein does not appear to be a contributor to this mess.
Gary's gone stone-cold stupid all by himself, the product (if one dare call it such) of such a complete lack of ability and awareness that it might as well be treated as a singularity.
One certainly hopes, fervently, that it is singular.

Note that according to the Dembskian extrapolation of thermodynamics to information ("conservation of information"), absolute zero in terms of minimum enthalpy and entropy must also be a state of minimal information.  The latter is an excellent restatement of the Gaulinian condition! Since the Beerstein aspects are just an extension from what we now understand to be the original, minimum-information, Bozo gaseous emanations, it follows that one can indeed reach the Gaulinian ground state without requiring Beerstein-type involvement. That's merely another route to the same final condition.

If, as I hope, you are right in viewing this as a singularity, it suggests that Gaulin lies within the informational equivalent of a black hole: in other words, he is on the wrong side of an horizon from which no information can ever escape.  This could explain a lot!

:)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,14:33   

Quote (ChemiCat @ May 28 2016,06:32)
 
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From the early days of the streetwise religion:

Mötley Crüe - Wild Side (Official Music Video)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nm1BJPe-pg

Of course, it's all about the science!
   
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With a congregation like that my mission became a "be careful what you wish for" situation that equally applies to the Discovery Institute.

I'm sure that inside Gaulin's brain this makes some sort of sense.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,14:40   

Thanks for that, Gary - it's a perfect example to illustrate the impossibility of information escaping from the Gaulinian condition.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,14:44   

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Thanks for that, Gary - it's a perfect example to illustrate the impossibility of information escaping from the Gaulinian condition.

The signicant difference being that there's nothing in Gaulin's informational black hole to attemt an escape.
It's as if a perfect vaccuum were to condense into infinite density.

But as analogies go, or even models, this one seems perfect and elegant in its simplicity.  And explanatory power ;-)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2016,14:47   

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ROSETTA'S COMET CONTAINS INGREDIENTS FOR LIFE
sci.esa.int/rosetta/57858-rosettas-comet-contains-ingredients-for-life/

So what's your excuse?

This finding does not entail your  "theory" nor is it entailed by your "theory" except in the degenerate case where false implies anything and everything.
You seem to regard that as a positive.  It is not.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2016,01:08   

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Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that: there may have been an insufficient investigation, and therefore there is insufficient information to prove the proposition be either true or false.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance


What do you know, Gaulin has learnt to copy and paste! Now how about learning some science, Gaulin?



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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy


Yes, Gaulin, how is that working out? Only two years of the twenty to go. The Wedge is as effective as your pile of bullshit.

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ROSETTA'S COMET CONTAINS INGREDIENTS FOR LIFE
sci.esa.int/rosetta/57858-rosettas-comet-contains-ingredients-for-life/


Is this something else for you to plagiarise for your not-a-theory, Gaulin?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2016,01:42   

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Yes, Gaulin, how is that working out?...........................

Aretha Franklin - Freeway Of Love!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip_pjb5_fgA

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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2016,04:06   

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Aretha Franklin - Freeway Of Love!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip_pjb5_fgA


Aaaand Gaulin sinks further into the irrelevancy of his own making.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2016,23:41   

From something I wrote for the Reddit Creationism forum.

 
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In addition to an important amino acid being found in a comet:

sci.esa.int/rosetta/57858-rosettas-comet-contains-ingredients-for-life/

There was an abundance of Sodium and Magnesium like in our oceans:

blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2014/10/29/cosima-detects-sodium-and-magnesium-in-a-dust-grain-called-boris/

And other chemicals living things are made of and rely on:

www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Rosetta/Science_on_the_surface_of_a_comet

Finding an amino acid base for other amino acids to react from is more like icing on the cake after already finding so much of the stuff of life. Here's an experiment I tried for finding out what happens after churning it up in a model for simulating ocean wave motion:

originoflifeaquarium.blogspot.com

I still expect a walk on the beach would often include a concentrated protoplasmic biomass-like pile along the high tide line, but what's in it did not yet comprise the seaweed with things like crabs that later came from it. In either case there was already plenty of starter material being skim deposited in different environments making stones slippery when wet, not crystal clear water washing everything squeaky clean and slime free. In either case you have to start with a tremendous amount of life giving compounds already in the comets and other cosmic debris. Even frozen and/or liquid methane lakes would like rain from the sky, which is honestly the next best thing to starting off with a steady supply of plenty of cow manure. The single carbon monomers link up into fats and oils that make cell membranes stay together to cover watery surfaces while those that are not end up on one side of the membrane or the other.

Self-assembly has a way of putting everything that the Big-Bang's cosmic tornado separated into its most basic chemical parts back together again, in a way where if there is something to form a membrane around the molecules that can concentrate around then it will soon be fully membrane enclosed. Then it's a lipid versus lipid competition, where the best for that environment bumps out ones with less membrane binding power. It's a sorting back out of what goes where to make cells like we are made of, which are filled with all kinds of stuff that concentrates inside especially after getting a good squeezing of its watery contents down to the biomolecules that from the inside still best help hold their shape.

This sorting out of the cell forming compounds preceded the special moment of breathing of life into them, where self-learning genetic systems were by self-assembly created in a meant to be way, not lucky accidents. It's a scientific way to defeat the "evolution by natural selection" based thinking. It starts with all that on its own self-assembles that does not genetically "evolve" then goes right to a life-giving intelligent causation coming from the inside out of the once lifeless protocells. Our design takes that intelligence level and two other levels (cellular behavior and multicellular brain behavior) working together as one to sustain itself, which is ironically consistent with Trinity which further helps the model/theory turn the tables on the "natural selection" minded thinking. It then does not even matter that the early planet were way rich in barnyard type gasses complete with smelly icky primordial stuff on the ground in some places, to even way back then be careful not to step in.

The more that is already "Poof!" and it's there, by how the chemistry sorts out, the better for eliminating the "evolution by natural selection" thinking from an origin of life model. It from there needs cognitive science basics where we end up with a genetic/molecular intelligence level that after billions of years is still a developing brain going from one thought to the next, in the same way our brain made of neurons develops in just months then keeps learning for as long as it can. We its expression have limited time but it's the same kind of "development" as in cells and us as opposed to an ambiguous word like "evolution" that only complicates understanding of three self-similar levels with the same self-learning systematics, just different size scale and time rates.


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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2016,00:27   

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I still expect a walk on the beach would often include a concentrated protoplasmic biomass-like pile along the high tide line, but what's in it did not yet comprise the seaweed with things like crabs that later came from it. In either case there was already plenty of starter material being skim deposited in different environments making stones slippery when wet, not crystal clear water washing everything squeaky clean and slime free. In either case you have to start with a tremendous amount of life giving compounds already in the comets and other cosmic debris. Even frozen and/or liquid methane lakes would like rain from the sky, which is honestly the next best thing to starting off with a steady supply of plenty of cow manure. The single carbon monomers link up into fats and oils that make cell membranes stay together to cover watery surfaces while those that are not end up on one side of the membrane or the other.


Crabs being born from seaweed? Methane rain? Membranes covering watery surfaces? Yet more indications that you do not have the brain capacity you were born with,Gaulin. It's as if your religious upbringing has seriously damaged it. Or did the pastor hit your head on the font? Why are you channelling a creationist version of Darwin's tangled bank? He was a better scientist AND a better poet than you will ever be.



 
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Self-assembly has a way of putting everything that the Big-Bang's cosmic tornado separated into its most basic chemical parts back together again...


What a load of bullshit! Try throwing away your bibles and getting down to your local library, ask for a science book for 5 year old's and get somebody to read it to you.

 
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This sorting out of the cell forming compounds preceded the special moment of breathing of life into them, where self-learning genetic systems were by self-assembly created in a meant to be way, not lucky accidents.


And this is why your anal output will never be accepted as science. Evidence-free assertions cannot be investigated by anything. This is pure 'invisible pink unicorn' territory.

 
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From something I wrote for the Reddit Creationism forum.


"Wrote" for some definition of "wrote" in the Gaulinese to English dictionary. This certainly 'self-assembled' without any intelligence involved.

I have to watch paint dry so I will leave the rest of this bullshit to others to tell you why it is bullshit.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2016,07:52   

Just tossing around the phrase 'self assembling' and its variants really doesn't amount to much Gary.
In fact, it is profoundly useless as you do it -- it reflects your ignorance of the relevant topics and your inability to define terms.
Does water 'self assemble'?
Does DNA?
Does a living cell?
Hint -- one of these things is not like the others.

Attempting to smash together the notions of 'self assembly' with the robotics [not cognitive science] of Heserman, Trehub, et al, merely piles confusion on top of confusion, all resting on a base of ignorance and stupidity.

Autopoesis is a valid, interesting, and vital area of study.
So is cognition.
In neither world is 'intelligence' reified to the status of first-class element of the field.
You stir it all together, much like an infant confronted with mashed peas, strained carrots, mud, and ketchup, leaving a brownish mess indistinguishable from, well, effluent.  There's nothing you've touched that you've improved, nor even accurately represented (aside from your limited ability to accurately copy/paste text and hyperlinks).

There's really nothing more to be said.  Your latest word-salad flung against the wall is useless, uninformative, wildly off-base, and confused.  Typical Gaulin output as noted by ChemiCat above, and every single one of your correspondents over the last nearly 10 years.
Beg, borrow, or steal a clue.
Or learn to define terms, and then do so.
Learn how logic works, and then use it.
Learn what science is.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2016,10:26   

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Beg, borrow, or steal a clue.
Or learn to define terms, and then do so.
Learn how logic works, and then use it.
Learn what science is.


Or we will taunt you again!

You hamster-hoot you!  ;)  :)  :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2016,01:38   

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Beg, borrow, or steal a clue.
Or learn to define terms, and then do so.
Learn how logic works, and then use it.
Learn what science is.


Or we will taunt you again!

You hamster-hoot you!  ;)  :)  :)


Well, thanks for the annoying egging on then. Chain yanking trolls.

There is of course no telling where the new music culture came from but in a culture war like the Discovery Institute asked for things could none the less be any better. It's like a path is being cleared by those who for some reason or another most seek to clear one through science, but where there is is not known until we get there. Anyway, I took a look at what's happening in newly uploaded music and found all these I have to mention:

Skillet - Feel Invincible [Official Audio]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmk_cTMqF58

Joseph - White Flag (Official Lyric Video)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=el1QWfnYy_c

So in regards to our being in a Tron world is this new information to add to the rest:
www.kurzweilai.net/forums/topic/musk-says-world-not-real#post-757950

And expanded self-assembly world information to go with it:
www.kurzweilai.net/forums/topic/a-for-almighty-fred-hoyle%E2%80%99s-cosmic-theology

A scientific model that makes Biblical creationism able to gain inspiration from RNA World scientists like Gerald Joyce makes a narrow escape from where things seemed going in Kansas, where back in the days of turmoil in the KCFS forum was a birdie that led to his personally praising my efforts in his home state. As it turns out the self-assembly related way of explaining things that started with Kathy Martin and came together in the forum Jack Krebs did a great job ruling. After one professor was already beaten and it looking like origin of life researchers where next on the list it makes worse nightmares that look like this new release just a close call that was ultimately avoided:

Radiohead - Burn The Witch
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI2oS2hoL0k

Following the self-assembly on up evidence wherever it leads has led to direction worthy mentioning that Beck is for some reason back in action with a just for fun psychedelic - Wow (Lyric Video)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZlbahhoEIo

Along with all else the science mission is even deserving of:
Asking Alexandria - Here I Am
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypQMbgXYOHA

You can taunt, but I now don't have to care. Things are still progressing rather surprisingly well, more on that later when I get into snail brain related matters that are now in the science news.

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The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

   
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2016,05:48   

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A scientific model that makes Biblical creationism able to gain inspiration from RNA World scientists like Gerald Joyce makes a narrow escape from where things seemed going in Kansas, where back in the days of turmoil in the KCFS forum was a birdie that led to his personally praising my efforts in his home state. As it turns out the self-assembly related way of explaining things that started with Kathy Martin and came together in the forum Jack Krebs did a great job ruling. After one professor was already beaten and it looking like origin of life researchers where next on the list it makes worse nightmares that look like this new release just a close call that was ultimately avoided:


Nurse! Gaulin needs his meds, stat. He's barfing all over the internet again!

  
Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2016,06:14   

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ROSETTA'S COMET CONTAINS INGREDIENTS FOR LIFE
sci.esa.int/rosetta/57858-rosettas-comet-contains-ingredients-for-life/


Ipso facto, comets are intelligent, eh ?

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"So I'm a pretty unusual guy and it's not stupidity that has gotten me where I am. It's brilliance."

"My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it."


~Dave Hawkins~

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2016,10:34   

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Just tossing around the phrase 'self assembling' and its variants really doesn't amount to much Gary.
In fact, it is profoundly useless as you do it -- it reflects your ignorance of the relevant topics and your inability to define terms.
Does water 'self assemble'?
Does DNA?
Does a living cell?
Hint -- one of these things is not like the others.

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Imagine my total lack of surprise that you are unable and unwilling to address the above.

As has been mentioned before, long before, 'self assembly' isn't the interesting part.  What's interesting, and a much more fruitful path for inquiry, is 'self maintenance' or 'self repair'.
It is not (just) that biological entities "self assemble", it is that they maintain themselves across a history of internal and external impacts and changes, constantly repairing and updating their state.

  
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