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Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2012,18:58    Get yer finest Joe here!           Quote Jerad: Take for example the presence of hind legs in some species of whales. Joe: Nope, no hind legs in any species of whales. Most likely remnants of hind flippers. Jerad: So why are there still vestiges of hind flippers then? Joe: Because there are.     Quote Jerad: Are you saying that when humans starting eating citrus fruits, etc that we lost the ability to synthesise vitamin C? Joe: Nope. What I say is the non-functional VC gene is for the future when we cannot get VC epigenetically. Evidently, in Joeworld, epigenetics is everything outside the genome, and includes eating (thesis supported upthread: "Because we can incorporate vitamin C into our diet- epigenetics.") And we keep a broken gene that may one day become magically fixed because it would be impossible for the Designer Of Whales to just give us the fucking gene when we need it! -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2012,19:29    Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 17 2012,18:58) Get yer finest Joe here!             Quote Jerad: Take for example the presence of hind legs in some species of whales. Joe: Nope, no hind legs in any species of whales. Most likely remnants of hind flippers. Jerad: So why are there still vestiges of hind flippers then? Joe: Because there are. :O       Quote Jerad: Are you saying that when humans starting eating citrus fruits, etc that we lost the ability to synthesise vitamin C? Joe: Nope. What I say is the non-functional VC gene is for the future when we cannot get VC epigenetically. Evidently, in Joeworld, epigenetics is everything outside the genome, and includes eating :p (thesis supported upthread: "Because we can incorporate vitamin C into our diet- epigenetics.") And we keep a broken gene that may one day become magically fixed because it would be impossible for the Designer Of Whales to just give us the fucking gene when we need it! Nice spew of ignorance there dopey sam: epigenetics and the environment [quoteEPIGENETICS & THE ENVIRONMENT The genome dynamically responds to the environment. Stress, diet, behavior, toxins and other factors activate chemical switches that regulate gene expression.[/quote] -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2012,19:48    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 17 2012,19:29) Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 17 2012,18:58) Get yer finest Joe here!             Quote Jerad: Take for example the presence of hind legs in some species of whales. Joe: Nope, no hind legs in any species of whales. Most likely remnants of hind flippers. Jerad: So why are there still vestiges of hind flippers then? Joe: Because there are. :O       Quote Jerad: Are you saying that when humans starting eating citrus fruits, etc that we lost the ability to synthesise vitamin C? Joe: Nope. What I say is the non-functional VC gene is for the future when we cannot get VC epigenetically. Evidently, in Joeworld, epigenetics is everything outside the genome, and includes eating :p (thesis supported upthread: "Because we can incorporate vitamin C into our diet- epigenetics.") And we keep a broken gene that may one day become magically fixed because it would be impossible for the Designer Of Whales to just give us the fucking gene when we need it! Nice spew of ignorance there dopey sam: epigenetics and the environment [quoteEPIGENETICS & THE ENVIRONMENT The genome dynamically responds to the environment. Stress, diet, behavior, toxins and other factors activate chemical switches that regulate gene expression.[/quote] sigh turning on a genetic switch does not equal eating food to get a vital nutrient that we (and other members of suborder haplorrhini like chimpanzees, gorillas, etc) can't manufacture anymore... like almost every other mammal on the planet. Here's a hint Joe... no amount of environmental influence will EVER be able to turn on the gene to generate vitamin C in haplorrhinis.  It don't work.  It's dead.  It's not sleeping, it's not inactive, it's not quiescent. It's broke. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2012,19:49    BTW: I still have access to a munch of math people and statisticians.  It would be easy for me to present anything you'd care to present on any actual... you know... math and CSI, information, and everything else you don't have a clue about. I've only been asking this for over a year.  Still haven't presented it. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2012,19:55    Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 17 2012,19:48) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 17 2012,19:29) Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 17 2012,18:58) Get yer finest Joe here!               Quote Jerad: Take for example the presence of hind legs in some species of whales. Joe: Nope, no hind legs in any species of whales. Most likely remnants of hind flippers. Jerad: So why are there still vestiges of hind flippers then? Joe: Because there are. :O         Quote Jerad: Are you saying that when humans starting eating citrus fruits, etc that we lost the ability to synthesise vitamin C? Joe: Nope. What I say is the non-functional VC gene is for the future when we cannot get VC epigenetically. Evidently, in Joeworld, epigenetics is everything outside the genome, and includes eating :p (thesis supported upthread: "Because we can incorporate vitamin C into our diet- epigenetics.") And we keep a broken gene that may one day become magically fixed because it would be impossible for the Designer Of Whales to just give us the fucking gene when we need it! Nice spew of ignorance there dopey sam: epigenetics and the environment [quoteEPIGENETICS & THE ENVIRONMENT The genome dynamically responds to the environment. Stress, diet, behavior, toxins and other factors activate chemical switches that regulate gene expression. [/quote] sigh turning on a genetic switch does not equal eating food to get a vital nutrient that we (and other members of suborder haplorrhini like chimpanzees, gorillas, etc) can't manufacture anymore... like almost every other mammal on the planet. Here's a hint Joe... no amount of environmental influence will EVER be able to turn on the gene to generate vitamin C in haplorrhinis.  It don't work.  It's dead.  It's not sleeping, it's not inactive, it's not quiescent. It's broke. Kevin, How do you know that we didn't lose the ability to manufacture vitamin C because our diets were rich in it, making it quite unnecessary? And how can you test your claim "no amount of environmental influence will EVER be able to turn on the gene to generate vitamin C in haplorrhinis"- please do tell. And BTW evolutionism cannot explain why we have a non-functioning VC gene- you chumps can only make up a little kid's story and pass that off as "science". But anyway, yes nutrition can and does turn on genetic switches. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2012,19:57    Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 17 2012,19:49) BTW: I still have access to a munch of math people and statisticians.  It would be easy for me to present anything you'd care to present on any actual... you know... math and CSI, information, and everything else you don't have a clue about. I've only been asking this for over a year.  Still haven't presented it. Kevin, your lies don't mean anything to me. Ya see I have done exactly what you say I haven't- you are pathetic. That said you should have your guys apply their skills to evolutionism as your position has nothing but stories and equivocation as support. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2012,20:01    measuring information- revisited -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2012,20:57    Still licking KF's ass? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2012,22:48    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 17 2012,20:01) measuring information- revisited If I click on this link, will I see: 1) a metric 2) all the necessary equations 3) an example for an organism or protein or DNA sequence 4) justification for any claims of stated amounts of complexity, specificity, information, etc being designed or not  (i.e. if 500 bits of information mean it's designed, why?) If not (and I'm willing to bet you anything), then it doesn't answer any question I've ever asked you and a complete waste of my time and unfairly adding traffic to your pathetic little blog. Why don't you just cut and paste the relavent bits (see what I did there?) here and then I'll take a look. It continues to amaze me how IDiots think that their notions are some big secret.  If I had a hypothesis that would shatter the dominant explanatory paradigm in modern biology, I sure as hell would spend hours discussing it in mind0numbing detail to anyone who asks.  So, post your drivel here, heck, put a copyright statement on it (as if anyone actually cared) if that's what scares you... or is it the fact that you're not even wrong. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2012,23:15    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 17 2012,21:01) measuring information- revisited -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2012,03:34    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 17 2012,17:57)   Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 17 2012,19:49) BTW: I still have access to a munch of math people and statisticians.  It would be easy for me to present anything you'd care to present on any actual... you know... math and CSI, information, and everything else you don't have a clue about. I've only been asking this for over a year.  Still haven't presented it. Kevin, your lies don't mean anything to me. Ya see I have done exactly what you say I haven't- you are pathetic. That said you should have your guys apply their skills to evolutionism as your position has nothing but stories and equivocation as support. Hey joey, take a look at this site and you'll see a steady flow of new articles about the progress of science. Many other websites/journals/magazines/newspapers/etc. also regularly report new scientific discoveries, tools, methods, theories, hypotheses, etc. Why don't you tell us what ID research (LOL) has discovered lately? -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Freddie Posts: 371 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2012,05:35    <snigger> -------------- Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy. Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people. Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2012,07:33    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 17 2012,19:29)                     Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 17 2012,18:58) Get yer finest Joe here!                           Quote Jerad: Are you saying that when humans starting eating citrus fruits, etc that we lost the ability to synthesise vitamin C? Joe: Nope. What I say is the non-functional VC gene is for the future when we cannot get VC epigenetically. Evidently, in Joeworld, epigenetics is everything outside the genome, and includes eating :p (thesis supported upthread: "Because we can incorporate vitamin C into our diet- epigenetics.") And we keep a broken gene that may one day become magically fixed because it would be impossible for the Designer Of Whales to just give us the fucking gene when we need it! Nice spew of ignorance there dopey sam: HAHAHAHAHAHA! Dopey Sam! HAHAHAHAHAHA.                 Quote epigenetics and the environment EPIGENETICS & THE ENVIRONMENT The genome dynamically responds to the environment. Stress, diet, behavior, toxins and other factors activate chemical switches that regulate gene expression. Uh-huh. This is hardly a gene expression 'switch', though. The actual gene has had lumps taken out of it. And you did say it's for the future, when we are unable to get Vitamin C 'epigenetically'. Implying we do get it 'epigenetically' now - the environment causes the gene to stay broken, perhaps? You know what a vitamin is, and what happens when you don't get enough? Here's a way to test whether Vitamin C metabolism is just waiting to be turned on by an "epigenetic" environmental switch. Take some apes and put them somewehere ... oooh, I dunno ... on a boat, maybe? Then keep them at sea without access to citrus fruits or other dietary sources. Then see if this 'epigenetic' switch (mmmmffffffHAHAHAHA) gets turned on. Or off, whichever way you visualize it. Or maybe ... maybe they'll get goddamned scurvy! Hmmm, I wonder if anyone has done similar experiments already? Or would that not be the right kind of environment to activate it? You can't put the environment on a ship, or summink? Edited by Soapy Sam on Sep. 18 2012,07:36 -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2012,07:40    Quote (Freddie @ Sep. 18 2012,05:35) <snigger> I thought the very mention of the fever swamp was a banning matter? Anyway, I'm sure the UD crowd are fascinated by details of Joe's battles with sundry netkooks on other sites. -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2012,08:07    Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 18 2012,07:40) Quote (Freddie @ Sep. 18 2012,05:35) <snigger> I thought the very mention of the fever swamp was a banning matter? Anyway, I'm sure the UD crowd are fascinated by details of Joe's battles with sundry netkooks on other sites. Yep.  Fortunately Joe is immune to actual knowledge. Notice how he's switched from vitamin C to vitamin D.   BTW Joe, did you know that vitamin D photosynthesis first appeared in bacteria 750 mya (and that's not 'millenia').  And every land vertebrate has the exact same system for using sunlight to build vitamin D.  Hmmm... evidence of common ancestry. Fail again, Joe. Oh and do come back and cut and paste your metric for measuring or determining complexity, specificity, and the possibility of other options for the 'design inference'. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2012,08:32    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Sep. 18 2012,07:15) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 17 2012,21:01) measuring information- revisited Yeah Joe YOU! haven't given us the recipe or the ingredients, just a lie -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Freddie Posts: 371 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2012,08:37    Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 18 2012,08:07) Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 18 2012,07:40) Quote (Freddie @ Sep. 18 2012,05:35) <snigger> I thought the very mention of the fever swamp was a banning matter? Anyway, I'm sure the UD crowd are fascinated by details of Joe's battles with sundry netkooks on other sites. Yep.  Fortunately Joe is immune to actual knowledge. Notice how he's switched from vitamin C to vitamin D.   BTW Joe, did you know that vitamin D photosynthesis first appeared in bacteria 750 mya (and that's not 'millenia').  And every land vertebrate has the exact same system for using sunlight to build vitamin D.  Hmmm... evidence of common ancestry. Fail again, Joe. Oh and do come back and cut and paste your metric for measuring or determining complexity, specificity, and the possibility of other options for the 'design inference'. Sorry - schoolboy humour. I was laughing at Joe's reference to VD in your system and it's affect on gene regulation.   I'll get back to reading me Viz, now ... -------------- Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy. Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people. Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2012,10:18    Quote (Freddie @ Sep. 18 2012,08:37) Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 18 2012,08:07)   Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 18 2012,07:40)   Quote (Freddie @ Sep. 18 2012,05:35) <snigger> I thought the very mention of the fever swamp was a banning matter? Anyway, I'm sure the UD crowd are fascinated by details of Joe's battles with sundry netkooks on other sites. Yep.  Fortunately Joe is immune to actual knowledge. Notice how he's switched from vitamin C to vitamin D.   BTW Joe, did you know that vitamin D photosynthesis first appeared in bacteria 750 mya (and that's not 'millenia'.  And every land vertebrate has the exact same system for using sunlight to build vitamin D.  Hmmm... evidence of common ancestry. Fail again, Joe. Oh and do come back and cut and paste your metric for measuring or determining complexity, specificity, and the possibility of other options for the 'design inference'. Sorry - schoolboy humour. I was laughing at Joe's reference to VD in your system and it's affect on gene regulation.   I'll get back to reading me Viz, now ... Fnarrrr, fnarrr ... sorry, missed the blindingly obvious!   -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2012,10:41    Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 18 2012,06:07) BTW Joe, did you know that vitamin D photosynthesis first appeared in bacteria 750 mya (and that's not 'millenia').   It's milliyahwehs.  God devoted three-quarters of his attention to vitamin D. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2012,14:25    More bad news for Joe: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom....the-old -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2012,14:37    Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 19 2012,14:25) More bad news for Joe: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom.......the-old That's not evolution. That's gpuccio's invisible non-material designer reaching in and twiddling the bits. Perhaps adaptive evolution should be measured in Behes (abbr. B) Three Bs and you're over the Edge. Edited by midwifetoad on Sep. 19 2012,14:50 -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2012,15:47    Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 19 2012,14:37) Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 19 2012,14:25) More bad news for Joe: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom.......the-old That's not evolution. That's gpuccio's invisible non-material designer reaching in and twiddling the bits. Perhaps adaptive evolution should be measured in Behes (abbr. B) Three Bs and you're over the Edge. No No NO, you're both wrong. It's just front loading.  Ya see, the DNA was present in the bacteria all along.  It just had to epigentically altered by the environment to achieve citrate eating. Stupid darwinists. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2012,11:00    Crossposting this from the UD4 thread, because it's sure to tickle a few funny bones. From this thread at Uncommonly Dense. lol. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2012,12:07    Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 22 2012,11:00) Crossposting this from the UD4 thread, because it's sure to tickle a few funny bones. From this thread at Uncommonly Dense. lol. Arguably BS has a point.  At a quantum level they are different in some way, even if it's just the particular spin on an electron. But, of course, in our world... -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2012,12:18    Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 22 2012,13:07) Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 22 2012,11:00) Crossposting this from the UD4 thread, because it's sure to tickle a few funny bones. From this thread at Uncommonly Dense. lol. Arguably BS has a point.  At a quantum level they are different in some way, even if it's just the particular spin on an electron. But, of course, in our world... ha, I was actually just thinking of JoeyTardbucket's pseudothought as it might apply to a certain "mono"theism. Edited to better reflect what might go on in JoeyTARDBucket's head. Edited by Lou FCD on Sep. 22 2012,13:19 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

QED Posts: 41 Joined: July 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2012,17:35    Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 17 2012,19:48) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 17 2012,19:29)   Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 17 2012,18:58) Get yer finest Joe here!               Quote Jerad: Take for example the presence of hind legs in some species of whales. Joe: Nope, no hind legs in any species of whales. Most likely remnants of hind flippers. Jerad: So why are there still vestiges of hind flippers then? Joe: Because there are. :O         Quote Jerad: Are you saying that when humans starting eating citrus fruits, etc that we lost the ability to synthesise vitamin C? Joe: Nope. What I say is the non-functional VC gene is for the future when we cannot get VC epigenetically. Evidently, in Joeworld, epigenetics is everything outside the genome, and includes eating :p (thesis supported upthread: "Because we can incorporate vitamin C into our diet- epigenetics.") And we keep a broken gene that may one day become magically fixed because it would be impossible for the Designer Of Whales to just give us the fucking gene when we need it! Nice spew of ignorance there dopey sam: epigenetics and the environment [quoteEPIGENETICS & THE ENVIRONMENT The genome dynamically responds to the environment. Stress, diet, behavior, toxins and other factors activate chemical switches that regulate gene expression. sigh turning on a genetic switch does not equal eating food to get a vital nutrient that we (and other members of suborder haplorrhini like chimpanzees, gorillas, etc) can't manufacture anymore... like almost every other mammal on the planet. Here's a hint Joe... no amount of environmental influence will EVER be able to turn on the gene to generate vitamin C in haplorrhinis.  It don't work.  It's dead.  It's not sleeping, it's not inactive, it's not quiescent. It's broke.[/quote] ..it's passed on! This gene is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! This is a late gene! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! ... Its metabolical processes are of interest only to historians! It's hopped the twig! It's shuffled off this mortal coil! It's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! This.... is an EX-GENE!

QED Posts: 41 Joined: July 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2012,17:41    Damn...botched the quote thingy...

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2012,18:21    Quote (QED @ Sep. 22 2012,23:41) Damn...botched the quote thingy... Still, beautiful plumage. -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

QED Posts: 41 Joined: July 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2012,19:35    Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 22 2012,18:21)   Quote (QED @ Sep. 22 2012,23:41) Damn...botched the quote thingy... Still, beautiful plumage. OTOH, it might wake up - Norwegian Blue-genes stun easily...

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2012,22:19    Hey joey, since you're a vigorous pusher of baraminology (and ID), what do you think of this, from here: "Baraminology is a creationist taxonomic system that classifies animals into groups called "created kinds" or "baramins" (pronounced with accent on second syllable) according to the account of creation in the book of Genesis and other parts of the Bible. Its proponents claim that kinds cannot interbreed and have no evolutionary relationship to one another.[1] Baraminology developed as a subfield of creation science in the 1990s among creationists that included Walter ReMine and Kurt Wise. Creation science is considered to be pseudoscience by the scientific community,[2][3][4][5] and the evidence for common ancestry of all life has widespread scientific acceptance." "The Bible mentions kinds in several passages. Genesis 1:24–25 gives an account of the creation of living things: 24: And God said: 'Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after its kind.' And it was so. 25: And God made the beast of the earth after its kind, and the cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good." And there's more there. joey, how does the religious, creationist, biblical, christian fairy tale about "kinds" or "baramins" fit into the so-called 'ID inference' that is allegedly not religious, creationist, biblical, or christian? Why do you push a christian fairy tale ("kinds") when you're a muslim? Do "kinds" fit in with common descent/common ancestry? If so, how exactly? If not, why not? And since ID is all about origins (according to you at least), how, where, and when did all the "kinds" originate? What was the very first "kind"? And for your viewing pleasure, there's also this. -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

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