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ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2009,21:30   

ITS BACK UP! ITS BACK UP! IM GOING TO PASS OUT IM SO HAPPY!!!!!

  
Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2009,23:51   

Quote (JLT @ Feb. 04 2009,07:27)
Surprise: Casey Luskin thinks Ben Stein was EXPELLED by the University of Vermont.
     
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Again, Fogel’s denial that this bears upon academic freedom has a huge credibility gap: Fogel claims this isn’t about freedom of expression, but it seems clear that scholars aren’t free to express support for intelligent design or they are charged with “ignor[ing] the basics of scientific inquiry.”

Obviously, my academic freedom is restricted by my university (and every other university). Never got a honorary degree. QED.

(ahem) Me, the other day:  
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The UVM commencement thing is all over. Stein has backed out.

What's the bet that this gets spun as yet more persecution?

For my next trick I predict the sun will rise tomorrow in the east!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2009,23:59   

I'm still waiting on my prediction to come true  :angry:

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,00:45   

And look who registered the IDEA Club-OK.  Mario Lopez, one of the UDiots.

(OK, perhaps calling him an UDiot is unfair - he's by no means the worst over there)

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,05:57   

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Can someone help me out here?  Why would the website for the IDEA club at the University of Oklahoma be registered by someone at The Apologia Project in California?

Especially since the OU IDEA Club already registered a domain name almost two months earlier.


If I ever need a Private Eye, YOU are hired!

That there's some beautiful design detection!

Perhaps Abbie can stop by and ask your question if /when they ever show up on campus.  I'm sure Dr. Dr. D would also be happy to autograph a Sweater Picture while he's there too.

If I can get a day pass from the warden, I may just go and see Casey's little talk on the 20th.

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,13:42   

Welcome to our latest edition of "Did you know...?" with Casey Luskin. This week:
Did you know that constitutionality is a strenght of science supplementary textbooks?
     
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Leave it to a Darwinist biologist to spin constitutionality — a strength — into a defect.


Luskin seems to be a bit agitated about Brian Metscher's review of Explore Evolution which is freely available here.*

If you don't know how an ad hominem argument looks like you should read Luskin's post.
Because Metscher cites  Lenny Flank's take on EE and Lenny Flank had said some things about creationists Luskin didn't like (Luskin doesn't provide a link to Metscher's article or Lenny Flank's treatment of EE, instead he links to two comments Flank left at the Panda's Thumb two years ago) none of Metscher's critic points merit any consideration.
   
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Demonstrating that the paranoid style** isn’t just limited to American politics, Austrian biologist Brian Metscher has adopted Lenny Flank’s advice on avoiding discussing the science and painting his intellectual opponents as extremists who are conspiring to skirt the law. I suspect that Metscher’s outlandish rhetoric in his attack on EE would make Lenny Flank proud. Let’s just hope that Metscher doesn’t decide to adopt Flank’s militant recommendations for defending evolution.


I also liked this bit:
   
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Metscher doesn’t specify precisely what those [creationist] “talking points” are, but if EE is so wrong, surely Metscher can give us a scholarly refutation of the book.


But of course. No problem there. Surely everyone can refute an entire book in a single article.


* If that link doesn't work,  try this one and scroll down to the book review section. The article is called: "Postcards from The Wedge: review and commentary on Explore Evolution: The Arguments For and Against Neo-Darwinism by Steven C. Meyer et al.". Metscher B., Evolution and Development Volume 11, Issue 1, Pages 124-125

** Obviously, a link to an article from 1964 about "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" is more important than a link to the review that is "discussed".

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,14:58   

Y'know, if I had the time and a (free) copy, I'd give a review of the book from the point of view of a first year Biology student. Somehow, I doubt Casey would care for what I had to say, however.

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,15:39   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 05 2009,20:58)
Y'know, if I had the time and a (free) copy, I'd give a review of the book from the point of view of a first year Biology student. Somehow, I doubt Casey would care for what I had to say, however.

That's a safe bet, I'd say.
I liked John Timmer's review of the book. He actually addressed some examples from EE in more detail.

Neither Casey Luskin nor Paul Nelson really appreciated his effort, though.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,18:00   

Paul Nelson.  Hmmmm, Paul Nelson.  The name rings a bell.  Can't quite place it.

Is Paul Nelson the unemployed dilettante who lurks around here to get his ass kicked every few years?

Or is Paul Nelson, to use John Kwoks description, the mendacious intellectual pornographer who, actually, has never produced anything?

At one time I thought Paul Nelson was the cameraman for the Girls Gone Wild videos and I was going to hit him up for some pirate copies but, alas, it was the OTHER Paul Nelson.

How come the OTHER Paul Nelson doesn't hang around here, huh?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2009,13:56   

In case any one is interested, I have fisked Luskin's post on his visit to Lucy  :)

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Church burning ebola boy

FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me.

PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

   
Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2009,14:01   

Quote (afarensis @ Feb. 08 2009,13:56)
In case any one is interested, I have fisked Luskin's post on his visit to Lucy  :)

Sorry ERV, I will pass on that one. I've had my tard dose for the week-end....

And yet again: If you don't know what you miss, you miss nothing!*


*That's why every missionary should be shot on sight...

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2009,14:04   

Oups, not ERV, Afarensis...Sorry again

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Timothy McDougald



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2009,14:05   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Feb. 08 2009,14:01)
Quote (afarensis @ Feb. 08 2009,13:56)
In case any one is interested, I have fisked Luskin's post on his visit to Lucy  :)

Sorry ERV, I will pass on that one. I've had my tard dose for the week-end....

And yet again: If you don't know what you miss, you miss nothing!*


*That's why every missionary should be shot on sight...

Nope, not ERV - I can't do that eye blink thing (last time I tried I got my eyelids tangled up, had to go to the ER and everything)*


* Don't ask what happened when I tried that forehead smack thing she does...

Edit to add: Damn he corrected it before I could publish my response  ???

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Church burning ebola boy

FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me.

PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2009,16:01   

Whenever replying to Luskin, you must save a copy of whatever prose you are responding to. Luskin is a believer in an Infinitely Plastic Past, at least wherever he can edit stuff to suit himself.

Having someone claim that they never made the mistake you point out, and have them impugn you for making stuff up, will likely cure you of laziness in archiving.

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2009,16:53   

Quote (afarensis @ Feb. 08 2009,19:56)
In case any one is interested, I have fisked Luskin's post on his visit to Lucy  :)

Ah, I like me my combination of Luskin bashing and actually learning something. Thanks!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2009,17:03   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 08 2009,16:01)
Whenever replying to Luskin, you must save a copy of whatever prose you are responding to. Luskin is a believer in an Infinitely Plastic Past, at least wherever he can edit stuff to suit himself.

Having someone claim that they never made the mistake you point out, and have them impugn you for making stuff up, will likely cure you of laziness in archiving.

I should have been more clear, I was talking about Schroedinger's Dog's correction. I always, always, always save whatever creationist post I am responding to - especially when it is someone connected with the DI in any way, shape, or form.

Edit to correct typo - which I seem to making a lot of lately.

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Church burning ebola boy

FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me.

PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2009,09:42   

Quote (afarensis @ Feb. 08 2009,17:03)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 08 2009,16:01)
Whenever replying to Luskin, you must save a copy of whatever prose you are responding to. Luskin is a believer in an Infinitely Plastic Past, at least wherever he can edit stuff to suit himself.

Having someone claim that they never made the mistake you point out, and have them impugn you for making stuff up, will likely cure you of laziness in archiving.

I should have been more clear, I was talking about Schroedinger's Dog's correction. I always, always, always save whatever creationist post I am responding to - especially when it is someone connected with the DI in any way, shape, or form.

Edit to correct typo - which I seem to making a lot of lately.

That was a beautiful, outstanding bit of posting dude!  I ama sure Casey will be working on his notpology all day to day.

When you go to accept your Pullitzer, don't forget to thank Casey and all the little people that made it possible!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2009,11:25   

To view Lucy, did Casey walk, or...



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2009,14:04   

YAY!!!

CARLSON - WHERE IS YOUR REPORT???

Abbie reports at her blog on the Luskin Wells Lies & More Lies Live in OK last night.

Visit her blog for the details, but we also have to thank Casey for his shout-out to us here at ATBC!

Thanks, Casey, you lying sack of IDiot!

Did I mention he hates it when we abuse him for lying?

Oh did I mention the gratuitous mention of "tits"?

Go here:


ERV Blog Report On Casey "Liar " Luskin

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2009,14:47   

Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 21 2009,14:04)
YAY!!!

CARLSON - WHERE IS YOUR REPORT???

Abbie reports at her blog on the Luskin Wells Lies & More Lies Live in OK last night.

It is coming. I am typing up my notes on John West's talk while I watch the OU-Baylor women's basketball game. I hope to have at least part of them up tonight.  I am trying to take my time so that they are understandable. It isn't clear right now when I'll have my notes from Luskin's session available.

Oh, did I mention Casey said "tits"?  Okay, I admit it is a bit juvenile for a 43 year old man to get such a kick out of that choir boy saying tits, but I do. So sue me.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2009,14:52   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 21 2009,14:47)
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 21 2009,14:04)
YAY!!!

CARLSON - WHERE IS YOUR REPORT???

Abbie reports at her blog on the Luskin Wells Lies & More Lies Live in OK last night.

It is coming. I am typing up my notes on John West's talk while I watch the OU-Baylor women's basketball game. I hope to have at least part of them up tonight.  I am trying to take my time so that they are understandable. It isn't clear right now when I'll have my notes from Luskin's session available.

Oh, did I mention Casey said "tits"?  Okay, I admit it is a bit juvenile for a 43 year old man to get such a kick out of that choir boy saying tits, but I do. So sue me.

Hey - A picture is worth 1,00 words - It's some sort of Designer rule or something I think.  Watch that game closely BTW - make sure nobody gets into the Baylor Cafeteria unless they have proper documentation...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2009,14:54   

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I watch the OU-Baylor women's basketball game. I hope to have at least part of them up tonight


You naughty, you!

Edit: quote-mining, I has it!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2009,14:16   

Luskin brutalized in yet another venue.

Owie.

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ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2009,14:33   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 22 2009,14:16)
Luskin brutalized in yet another venue.

Owie.

Casey was butthurt over Pennock I think, too.

Youll have to wait for Carlsons good notes :P

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2009,23:23   

Quote (ERV @ Feb. 22 2009,22:33)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 22 2009,14:16)
Luskin brutalized in yet another venue.

Owie.

Casey was butthurt over Pennock I think, too.

Youll have to wait for Carlsons good notes :P

Yeah expect him to claim he was a rape victim in the culture wars .......dial 911.....call the TBI (Theocratic Bureau of Investigation)

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2009,06:03   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 22 2009,15:16)
Luskin brutalized in yet another venue.

Owie.

An awesome comment from "Rob of CA":
 
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I.N.T.E.L.L.I.G.E.N.T.   D.E.S.I.G.N. = "If Nanotechnology Takes Engineers Let's Logically Infer God Engineered Nature Teleologically! DNA's Engineering Shows Ingenius Guidance Needed!!"

The Acronym Regarding Design?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2009,17:53   

bug hunting, please ignore.

Luskin is a dishonest twit, though.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2009,10:27   

But did you catch any of them bugs you wuz hunting? :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2009,21:15   

Don't you love it how the mendacious intellectual pornographer and attack gerbil for the Kristian Kreationist Establushment commits scientific slander in the cause of "fair and balanced" reporting?

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Even if they're right about the fossil reconstruction, we're still talking about an evolutionary story based upon two millimeter-sized ankle bones — not exactly a shining example of transitional features.


So, here we have a lying lawyer bloviating about a research article he can't possibly understand, but he can throw his primate feces, and he does.

"Oh, doesn't look transitional to me!  And I'm a creationist lawyer!  I noze stuff."

What an idiot.  

If it weren't for Casey's eyebrow deformity I'd be even more harsh.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2009,00:53   

IDC advocates and cheerleaders always claim to want teensy-tiny details...

Except for when they get them, at which point they can be ignored because they are teensy-tiny.

I think we may have another entry for The Quixotic Message.

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