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franky172 Posts: 160 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,18:16    Quote (ofro @ Feb. 15 2007,18:08) Quote (franky172 @ Feb. 15 2007,08:08) I made thew following reply 2 times in this thread (http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2065), and made one inquiry as to why it is not appearing; but I have yet to see it. Which is better:  to get blocked right away or to get insulted after having been delayed for several hours (http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2065#comment-91366">insulted? You know what they say; to be blocked is human, to be insulted, divine...

Faid Posts: 1143 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,18:18    Quote (phonon @ Feb. 15 2007,11:48) Come on, WAD or DT, explain how ID predicts how the Intelligent Designer (peace be upon him) pushes the little rotaxane molecule around. Phonon, please. That's WAY too easy. They will repost the quote thus: Quote A molecular information ratchet (abstract) Motor proteins and other biological machines are highly efficient at converting energy into directed motion and driving chemical systems away from thermodynamic equilibrium. But even though these biological structures have inspired the design of many molecules that mimic aspects of their behaviour artificial nanomachine systems operate almost exclusively by moving towards thermodynamic equilibrium, not away from it. Here we show that information about the location of a macrocycle in a rotaxane—a molecular ring threaded onto a molecular axle—can be used, on the input of light energy, to alter the kinetics of the shuttling of the macrocycle between two compartments on the axle. For an ensemble of such molecular machines, the macrocycle distribution is directionally driven away from its equilibrium value without ever changing the relative binding affinities of the ring for the different parts of the axle. The selective transport of particles between two compartments by brownian motion in this way bears similarities to the hypothetical task performed without an energy input by a 'demon' in Maxwell's famous thought experiment. Our observations demonstrate that synthetic molecular machines can operate by an information ratchet mechanism in which knowledge of a particle's position is used to control its transport away from equilibrium. :p -------------- A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty: "The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information" "...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

k.e Posts: 1948 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,18:37    Quote (ofro @ Feb. 16 2007,02:08) Quote (franky172 @ Feb. 15 2007,08:08) I made thew following reply 2 times in this thread (http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2065), and made one inquiry as to why it is not appearing; but I have yet to see it. Which is better:  to get blocked right away or to get insulted after having been delayed for several hours (http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2065#comment-91366">insulted? It's like trying to pass a test for tartidty. I wouldn't be so sure  if getting a comment through was a compliment unless I was trying to pass myself off as some sort of postmodern objectivist theodictator nee faux feminist by fitting into a very small  straightjacket. (which might be fun if Kristine and a feather was involved but don't they ban general naughtyness and particularly nasty weather?) -------------- The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,19:47    Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 15 2007,15:15) Challenge to UD Hey you champignons champions of free inquiry: PZ has listed the banned few from pharyngula and their offenses here: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/plonk.php Can you provide a similar list? Please note I only have 4 gigs of RAM. Thanks in advance. Sure, I'll get it started: Richard Hughes: homo. insults my mom. no Marine can forgive that. Blipey: homo. I'll kick his ass when he comes out here. Zachriel: homo. three times. Arden Chatfield: homo. dumb bunny. Lou: homo. thinks he's a woman. two women. He's outta here. Kristine: lesbian. that's okay, but she frightens Bill. k.e.: homo. says these weird things all the time. plus I think he's some kind of foreigner. John Davison: homo. plus he's completely insane. Alan Fox: homo. lives in France. plus he's too nice to Davison. Lenny Flank: homo. probably does weird things with snakes when he's alone. On the plus side, PZ Myers hates him. SteveStory: homo. taller than me. I think he's jealous of me. GCT: homo. stole my picture. he's outta here. Ichthyic: homo. I heard stories about him down at the aquarium. THEY ARE NO LONGER WITH US. -dt (My apologies to anyone I overlooked, feel free to add yourself to this list.) -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,20:37    Quote (stephenWells @ Feb. 15 2007,17:15) You realize that if this little exchange had happened on UD: i) DaveScot would have calculated a probability of 95% for three murders every day; ii) all posters pointing out the error would be banned; iii) he'd realize the error, erase the thread, and calculate a probability of 10^-350; iv) this would then be evidence for Intelligent Murder theory. V) a commenter would have asked, "Why O Why dont Darwinist's understand basic satistics?!?!?!?!?!?!?"

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,20:47    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 15 2007,19:47) Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 15 2007,15:15) Challenge to UD Hey you champignons champions of free inquiry: PZ has listed the banned few from pharyngula and their offenses here: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/plonk.php Can you provide a similar list? Please note I only have 4 gigs of RAM. Thanks in advance. Sure, I'll get it started: Richard Hughes: homo. insults my mom. no Marine can forgive that. Blipey: homo. I'll kick his ass when he comes out here. Zachriel: homo. three times. Arden Chatfield: homo. dumb bunny. Lou: homo. thinks he's a woman. two women. He's outta here. Kristine: lesbian. that's okay, but she frightens Bill. k.e.: homo. says these weird things all the time. plus I think he's some kind of foreigner. John Davison: homo. plus he's completely insane. Alan Fox: homo. lives in France. plus he's too nice to Davison. Lenny Flank: homo. probably does weird things with snakes when he's alone. On the plus side, PZ Myers hates him. SteveStory: homo. taller than me. I think he's jealous of me. GCT: homo. stole my picture. he's outta here. Ichthyic: homo. I heard stories about him down at the aquarium. THEY ARE NO LONGER WITH US. -dt (My apologies to anyone I overlooked, feel free to add yourself to this list.) I have never tried to post at UD - I don't have the energy to do a JanieBell thing, and I am too old to fart around with DaveTard and Bill, and any post I made would never see the light of day, because I would have to call them on their hypocrasy, stupidity, etc.   However, if I DID post at UD, I would be banned for suggesting that Bill and Dave have a long-term secret illicit nerd-on-fatso tawdry love affair, and of course, insisting that DaveScot has a Cheesy Poofs Addiction Problem. DaveScott might also have a problem with my bringing up the credibility of his 150++ IQ, and sugggesting that in reality the decimal should be moved at least one, if not two places.  To the left.  No, Dave, your OTHER left... And CONGRATULATIONS to all of you that HAVE been banned by UD.  A TRUE Badge of Honor. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,21:30    Quote Ichthyic: homo. I heard stories about him down at the aquarium. damnit!  Are those still floating around? The dolphin and I were just friends, OK? gees. I gotta get a new publicist. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

k.e Posts: 1948 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,21:56    Quote k.e.: homo. says these weird things all the time. plus I think he's some kind of foreigner. Hey...I resemble that remark. All the time? May your chooks turn into emus and kick your dunny door down ...Strewth! -------------- The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,01:51    We're melting! Gil Dodgen: Quote It is clear to me that the anti-ID crowd is in defensive meltdown mode. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

k.e Posts: 1948 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,03:54    Quote (keiths @ Feb. 16 2007,09:51) We're melting! Gil Dodgen:   Quote It is clear to me that the anti-ID crowd is in defensive meltdown mode. Is that guy sane?....oh...no need to answer that. ...See Gil's projection DT? Holding hands with the truly demented must give you a real buzz. Kinda like working as a carer in a hospice. A real community service you're performing there soldier. Don'tya feel proud? Old tards never die, they just fade away. -------------- The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,04:03    I think they do die eventually. Even cheese-puff eating ex-marine tards. The siren song of tard lives on in their progeny though. Bet that sends a shiver down the ol' spine. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,05:29    Additions to UD banned list: Josh Bozeman homo, ID is not about religion, momma's boy. Keiths Homo, asked one too many awkward questions.

djmullen Posts: 327 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,05:34    Denyse gets one right!       Quote Thinkquote of the day: Avoiding simple, obvious truths "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest & most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, & which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." - Leo Tolstoy Isn't that a perfect description of ID/Creationism?  Once you've woven religion into the fabric of your life and explained how it means you are God's favorite and one of the very small elite that really understands what's going on to all your colleagues, you just can't accept even the most obvious truth that demotes you to an ordinary human being.  Better endless deception, obfuscation and self delusion than admitting that you're just a very ordinary small time hack writer.  Or a once promising scholar who thought he'd set the world on fire and ended up making an ass of himself on a world-wide stage.  Not to mention DaveTard.

dhogaza Posts: 525 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,07:16    Oh Dave strikes with a tardelicious misreading of a hypothesis which potentially explains why Antartica hasn't warmed as much as expected:   Quote I just love being eventually proven right but vindication usually doesn’t come to me this quickly. As I was trying to tell Mike Dunford, including my now prophetic-appearing conjecture that manmade CFC-caused ozone depletion is a real global warming culprit, unlike the mythical C02 effect… So, Dave has boldy predicted that it is ozone depletion, not increased CO2, that is causing global warming.  In support of this he cites a paper that states: Quote “In some sense, we might have competing effects going on in Antarctica where there is low-level CO2 warming but that may be swamped by the effects of ozone depletion.” In other words, ozone depletion in the stratosphere over the Antartic has a regional cooling effect that might be swamping the warming contribution of increased CO2. Apparently in Dave's world cooling affirms his prediction of warming. Hmmmm. He also seems to have missed the fact that this hypothesis is viewed favorably by many (most?) of the mainstream climate science community.  I first read about it on Real Climate, IIRC.

Shirley Knott Posts: 148 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,07:36    Out of morbid curiousity, is there anything at all about which the tard-meister has been non-trivially correct? It appears that his only skills are bluster and an inability to get anything at all genuinely correct. Shirley Knott

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,08:12    Quote (Shirley Knott @ Feb. 16 2007,07:36) Out of morbid curiousity, is there anything at all about which the tard-meister has been non-trivially correct? It appears that his only skills are bluster and an inability to get anything at all genuinely correct. Shirley Knott I think I should ask DaveTard for his stock recommendations, so that I can short them. -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

deadman_932 Posts: 3094 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,08:57    Once again, Arden Chatfield and his "partner" richardthughes have seen fit to INSULT MY 150++ (Cereal Box quiz-verified) INTELLIJENCE as they omit me from the roster of UD rejects. However, because I am filled with the serenity brought only by the consumption of vast quantities of cheese puffs,"hod" science fiction and vodka...I forgive them, For they know not what they do. Also, Mike PSS said that the Ottomans grew out of the "rump" of teh Byzantines, which I giggled at all day. -------------- AtBC Award for Thoroughness in the Face of Creationism

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,09:00    Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 16 2007,08:57) Once again, Arden Chatfield and his "partner" richardthughes have seen fit to INSULT MY 150++ (Cereal Box quiz-verified) INTELLIJENCE as they omit me from the roster of UD rejects. However, because I am filled with the serenity brought only by the consumption of vast quantities of cheese puffs,"hod" science fiction and vodka...I forgive them, For they know not what they do. Also, Mike PSS said that the Ottomans grew out of the "rump" of teh Byzantines, which I giggled at all day. deadman_932: homo. giggles like a girl. he's outta here. -dt -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Mike PSS Posts: 428 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,09:09    Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 16 2007,09:57) Also, Mike PSS said that the Ottomans grew out of the "rump" of teh Byzantines, which I giggled at all day. Is that a quadruple entendre or a quintuple entendre in your mind? I'm sure with a little thought we could come up with a dozen or more (dodecatuple) interpretations. I'm not going to list them however.  The subject matter is too "smelly" and might get "thrown" on the bathroom wall.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,10:24    Well, I saw A Flock of Dodos last night, and I have to say, what's the big deal? Randy Olson was so gentle with the creationists; he made them look like charm school graduates whereas the scientists were portrayed as a bunch of boozing, blustering blabbermouths who didn't so much play a poker game as serially interrupt each other with statements like, "Now, what was my point?" He ended the film by saying he'd rather play poker with Kathy Martin, Connie Morris, and John Calvert than his old scientist buddies. (Do fundies play poker?) So the DI doesn't have a budget of 5 million, but 4.2 million. Ooooh. So Calvert managed to cough up a textbook that had a drawing of Haekel's embryos (Haekel-n-Jekyl, I have never heard so much about the dang embryos before! and faxed it to Olson, and it didn't get into the film. That's what you get when you belatedly fumble for evidence for an answer you've just presented as God's truth. The DI finally contacted Olson after the film was made, and they sat him in a room and screamed at him. Who would you rather be screamed at, a creationist or a scientist? -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,10:25    Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 16 2007,08:57) Also, Mike PSS said that the Ottomans grew out of the "rump" of teh Byzantines, which I giggled at all day. I was kind of in the dumps all day after I read this... -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,10:34    Quote I have a question from anyone who has seen the movie. What percentage of the movie is taken up with the Haeckel episode? About 7 minutes, if that. Quote Are there any other distortions in the movie? Ohhh, yeeaaah. The inexplicable "there are no transitional fossils" crapola gets a lot more play than the stupid embryos. None of Haekel's drawings showed up in my textbooks as I recall--just a paragraph about them. I've read a lot of material on evolution since adolescence and didn't encounter the embryos until Wells had a hissy-fit about them. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

slpage Posts: 349 Joined: June 2004 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,11:47    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 15 2007,19:47) Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 15 2007,15:15) Challenge to UD Hey you champignons champions of free inquiry: PZ has listed the banned few from pharyngula and their offenses here: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/plonk.php Can you provide a similar list? Please note I only have 4 gigs of RAM. Thanks in advance. Sure, I'll get it started: Richard Hughes: homo. insults my mom. no Marine can forgive that. Blipey: homo. I'll kick his ass when he comes out here. Zachriel: homo. three times. Arden Chatfield: homo. dumb bunny. Lou: homo. thinks he's a woman. two women. He's outta here. Kristine: lesbian. that's okay, but she frightens Bill. k.e.: homo. says these weird things all the time. plus I think he's some kind of foreigner. John Davison: homo. plus he's completely insane. Alan Fox: homo. lives in France. plus he's too nice to Davison. Lenny Flank: homo. probably does weird things with snakes when he's alone. On the plus side, PZ Myers hates him. SteveStory: homo. taller than me. I think he's jealous of me. GCT: homo. stole my picture. he's outta here. Ichthyic: homo. I heard stories about him down at the aquarium. THEY ARE NO LONGER WITH US. -dt (My apologies to anyone I overlooked, feel free to add yourself to this list.) Well, I did try to register once and I was not allowed in at all.  Does that count?

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,12:19    Quote (k.e @ Feb. 16 2007,03:54) Old tards never die, they just fade away. Actually, "Old tards never die, they just fart away in the corner. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

dhogaza Posts: 525 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,12:45    Oh, this is too funny.  Now Dave claims that the paper he cites in support of his premise that CFCs cause global warming helps his cause because ... the paper is wrong!   Quote The author actually misses the mark on the effect of ozone depletion.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,12:59    Now brilliant OverwhelmingEvidence blogger SChen24 chimes in: Quote 6 SChen24 02/16/2007 1:43 pm “That’s all global warming alarmism really is - a political power grab.” Is this really true DaveScot? Are you saying that there is NOTHING behind global warming except politicians wanting to grab political power? What political seat is Al Gore seeking again? Please think about this–in the last ten years, the earth on the whole has been warmer each year than the previous year and those ten together are the ten warmest years recorded. In addition, global warming isn’t merely getting warmer, but it is the disturbance of the climate. We see cold places, like the Arctic, getting warmer and warm places getting colder. This disturbance in climate has a great effect on environment, ecology, and other areas. This earth was given to us as a gift and with the responsibility to take care of it. We are called to be good stewards and I don’t believe denying global warming is being a good steward of the earth. Of course, I hope, I really hope global warming isn’t happening. It would make this a better place and less environmental concerns. But I don’t see the evidence that it isn’t happening. And even if it isn’t, what is to keep us from being good stewards? Finally, I still don’t see how global warming relates to intelligent design. Is Uncommon Descent now a blog on global warming too? http://www.uncommondescent.com/educati....ictions

Bing Posts: 144 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,13:23    Quote (k.e @ Feb. 16 2007,03:54) Old tards never die, they just fade away. Sung in a falsetto: (with apologies to Neil Young) My my, hey hey The DaveTard is here to stay It's better to burn out than to fade away My my, hey hey ... Hey hey, my my DaveScot Tard can never die There's less to the picture Than meets the eye Hey hey, my my

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,14:15    Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 16 2007,12:59) Now brilliant OverwhelmingEvidence blogger SChen24 chimes in:   Quote 6 SChen24 02/16/2007 1:43 pm “That’s all global warming alarmism really is - a political power grab.” Is this really true DaveScot? Are you saying that there is NOTHING behind global warming except politicians wanting to grab political power? What political seat is Al Gore seeking again? Please think about this–in the last ten years, the earth on the whole has been warmer each year than the previous year and those ten together are the ten warmest years recorded. In addition, global warming isn’t merely getting warmer, but it is the disturbance of the climate. We see cold places, like the Arctic, getting warmer and warm places getting colder. This disturbance in climate has a great effect on environment, ecology, and other areas. This earth was given to us as a gift and with the responsibility to take care of it. We are called to be good stewards and I don’t believe denying global warming is being a good steward of the earth. Of course, I hope, I really hope global warming isn’t happening. It would make this a better place and less environmental concerns. But I don’t see the evidence that it isn’t happening. And even if it isn’t, what is to keep us from being good stewards? Finally, I still don’t see how global warming relates to intelligent design. Is Uncommon Descent now a blog on global warming too? http://www.uncommondescent.com/educati....ictions I PREDICT THAT WE ARE WITNESSING HISTORY IN THE MAKING - I PREDICT THIS IS THE  FIRST OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE BANNING!  WAY TO GO TARD YOUR OUTTA HERE HOMO - dt[B] -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,14:32    Mark Frank cruises for teh bruises: Quote 9 Mark Frank 02/16/2007 2:18 pm So Dave when you wrote “First of all CFCs are powerful greenhouse gases (vs. a weak gas like CO2)” I guess that was irrelevant? I am afraid there are a few things that you have written that I don’t believe. Maybe you can supply references? I am always willing to learn. I have supplied references to support the challenges I am making. 1 “When UVB instead reaches the surface because manmade CFCs have thinned the stratospheric ozone layer” - the only significant thinning of the ozone layer to date is where there is an ‘ozone hole’ - a tiny proportion of the earth’s atmosphere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion 2 “That’s probably why the C02 models predicted much more global warming than has actually been observed.” Of course most scientists think current levels of temperature increase are in line with models - but I know I will not convince you of this. 3 “the C02 models predicted warming would be consistent from the surface up through the troposphere whereas actual measurements show more heating at the surface and declining as you rise into the troposphere.” GCM models predict an increasingly sharp temperature gradient in the atmosphere as the concentration of GHGs increases. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=58 4 “Snow is a good reflector of UVB so the antarctic gets less of the heating effect.” But the Antarctic is where the ozone hole is - that’s the place that gets virtually all the UVB - so even with reflection it should the strongest warming trend on your theory. I think you might want to think this one through a bit more :)

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2007,15:24    Quote Actually, "Old tards never die, they just fart away in the corner. well, if you saw this: http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....;t=4378 then you must realize this is the only way they can keep the darkness at bay. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

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